Is this frame better than Winspace? The best way to answer is: Spend as much as you can on both wheels and frames. If you can only afford $600 buy a VeloBuild. If you can afford $1500 buy a Winspace. And if you can afford $4000 buy a Tarmac SL7 frame. Velobuild isn't trying to compete with frames costing more $1000, and their customer base fully understand that.
I would still be left wondering if it’s really worth it. You just know that some of the differences can be hard to perceive and are very relative in real life (on the bike)… 🤷♂️ If you know how cheaply some of the big brands produce their frames, then these should come really close.
This means a lot, thanks Crypto! I have to slowly figure out the next progression of the channel. Probably won’t be able to review bikes and wheels forever lol
Came here through GCPERFORMance. What a great review!!! Also gotta say I used to drive the EK9 Honda Civic and you made a great choice in the custom paint. Great memories of the VTEC kicking in. Thanks again!!
Bro, I love your channel growth. You are truly flourishing and I’m here to support!!! Keep spreading this good news!!! Amazing paint job - I am truly inspired!!! Thx for sharing!!! 🤩🤩🤩
Man, been patiently waiting for this and you did not disappoint. This give a great perspective on the VB168. Definitely a great buy and with the headset fix, I’m definitely a buyer. Thanks again for the great content!
Your the man bro..you 1st put me up on prime aero bars now this..omg..I can finally give my Sworks sl7 a rest when i build up a velo bike..the cuts looks just like my sl7 tarmac..lol
Wow, amazing build, and extra kudos for the paint job. I would love a separate in depth video of how you did it. Lots of interesting things, especially that FSA stem thingy. The only thing i found surprising is your ftp. Is it really only 260W?
@@abedfo88 everything. If you're a worthless cyclist I'm not interested in your opinion on bikes. Especially all the qualitative largely BS stuff around stiffness, compliance and so on. You don't ask your hairdresser about your health, you shouldn't get your bike info from someone who can't drop you.
Really like your show. Thanks for your work. Also great to see Chicago, as Chicago rider too. I am thinking about building the 066, which is more of an endurance frame. Have you an experience with that one? Thanks again for what you're doing.
Thanks for watching. I have not tried the 066, as I usually focus on aero framesets for road cycling. I imagine the 066 is similar quality and experience as the 168 and 177
Just watching this again, I saw that the 268 had a new seatpost and it comes with 0mm setback and I want it. I hate the setback on my 168, I’ve been trying to reach them to get the seatpost but no luck yet…
The seatpost on the 268 is not compatible with the 168. And VeloBuild does not make a 0mm setback post for the 168. Kind of a shame, but I can understand the decision especially given the price point.
@@PatrickLino dang I was wondering if I can get a seatpost somewhere for the 168 but otherwise I’ll just ride it out for a bit longer and then get the 268! Thanks for the reply!
I've just discovered your channel & am enjoying your videos. I'm thinking of buying a Chinese carbon frame & building myself a bike, but I'd prefer a more relaxed endurance type geometry rather than an aggressive race geometry. Do you have any suggestions?
Thanks for watching! Relaxed endurance geometry is a difficult one to define, because this geometry can mean different things to different people. I'd recommend visiting Velobuild, Winspace, and Yeoleo's website, and comparing their available frames to you desired geometry.
Hello Patrick, ive been watching yr videos, but its my 1st time...(thats what She Said...:) ) I just would like to know, or wondering about the diference between this vb168 and the Dengfu R12? Thanks and keep up with good work
Truthfully I prefer the Dengfu in term of sheer performance. it's stiffer and feels more geared toward actual racing. The geometry is also different, which you also need to consider. However, VB's customer support is better and they offerr custom paint. Best thing to do is figure out which is these details are most important to you. but also makes sure you spend MOST of your budget on wheels. Wheels are far more important than frame.
New subscriber here. Great videos. Any chance of you getting the Velobuild 218 built as peaking my interest and yiy certainly know what you are doing. For reference I've been in the bike industry for 17 years and these frames have come on incredibly in 10 years. So much so I'd buy one.
I just received my VBR 168. Why didn’t you go with the SL7 stem? Does the FSA 69 headset fit perfect with the correct bearings? Just wondering all these small issues before I build mine.
Like the color. In terms of the handlebar why did you opt out of the velobuild non integrated handlebar (separate bar and stem)? Agree with you and others that velobuild needs to provide more install info eg (send out the torque info with the product)
Compared to 177, is 168 faster and how much? Also what other significant differences while riding would you name between the 2 (e.g. I know the geometry is different and we have numbers for that, I’m asking more from real world testing perspective)? Thanks, loving the videos!
im still riding the first gen allez sprint, not impressed with the the new one. Still weighing my options, how does the stiffness on this velo frame compare to the old allez sprint? Im already sold on the look and price.
Not as stiff as the Allez Sprint, which make sense because it's alloy. However, the 168 is stiff enough yet lighter to offset. There are other carbon bikes out there that are stiffer, but will cost you.
Hi Patrick. I'm kinda new to the road bike game here, so i wanna ask about the paint job. Is "matte" black option on Velobuild same as unpainted? If not, do i have to sand my frame down or something if i want to paint it? Thanks in advance
My apologies. They are sold on Ali Express via the official brand: www.aliexpress.com/item/3256804229184469.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.499953acRkkbpH&algo_pvid=46da7351-e274-4856-bb2c-bfd0d23962a9&algo_exp_id=46da7351-e274-4856-bb2c-bfd0d23962a9-6&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22sku_id%22%3A%2212000029114272177%22%7D&pdp_npi=2%40dis%21USD%211140.0%21969.0%21%21%21%21%21%402103250d16607449092477748e0d40%2112000029114272177%21sea&curPageLogUid=dUj1ZnxAaXcg
I moved out of Chicago because the riding was so terrible. Hats off to you for making it happen. Does the velobuild frame come from workswell or a different company?
Hey Patrick, Im having loose headset issues with my Velobuild 177. Do you think the FSA HS for internal routing would solve this IYO?...And thanks for the great vids!
For my needs, the geometry of the 168 works better for me. I do however think that with a great set of aero wheels...both bikes would be pretty close in "performance".
@@mvzpodcast I recommend contacting VeloBuild on Instagram. They are super responsive on there. Mention my name too, even though I don't get any commission 🤣
The best way to answer is: Spend as much as you can on both wheels and frames. If you can only afford $600 buy a VeloBuild. If you can afford $1500 buy a Winspace. And if you can afford $4000 buy a Tarmac SL7 frame. Velobuild isn't trying to compete with frames costing more $1000, and their customer base fully understand that.
I honestly don't know what mold velo build is using or which brand they are buying from. but for the price I believe is one of the lower end mold we are using in China to build clone frame. there are higher end clone which weights and looks almost identical to the real frame. frames are almost all made in China anyway
What is even more interesting...is the fact there are a few private/micro brands using Velobuild frames, but are charging more for the same frame. Dolan and Workswell come to mind. I fully understand why this business model works, because creating and/or purchasing molds is expensive. However, paying significantly more for a frame that I know can be had for half the price doesn't make a lot of since.
Is this frame better than Winspace? The best way to answer is: Spend as much as you can on both wheels and frames. If you can only afford $600 buy a VeloBuild. If you can afford $1500 buy a Winspace. And if you can afford $4000 buy a Tarmac SL7 frame. Velobuild isn't trying to compete with frames costing more $1000, and their customer base fully understand that.
I would still be left wondering if it’s really worth it. You just know that some of the differences can be hard to perceive and are very relative in real life (on the bike)… 🤷♂️ If you know how cheaply some of the big brands produce their frames, then these should come really close.
@@BartSchrijvers thanks for watching!
@@BartSchrijvers agreed
Thanks for your work for the community, here on UA-cam and Chinertown forum. I'm waiting for my 168 frame, and your videos have helped alot.
Thanks for the support!
Proud of you & your progress I'm a day one subscriber & admire the way you promote yourself. I think you're going to do big things Patrick
This means a lot, thanks Crypto! I have to slowly figure out the next progression of the channel. Probably won’t be able to review bikes and wheels forever lol
Came here through GCPERFORMance. What a great review!!!
Also gotta say I used to drive the EK9 Honda Civic and you made a great choice in the custom paint. Great memories of the VTEC kicking in.
Thanks again!!
Thanks for Watching Tony. Have a great weekend!
Bro, I love your channel growth. You are truly flourishing and I’m here to support!!! Keep spreading this good news!!! Amazing paint job - I am truly inspired!!! Thx for sharing!!! 🤩🤩🤩
Thanks bruh! That really means a lot. Still got much work to do but we're getting there!
Man, been patiently waiting for this and you did not disappoint. This give a great perspective on the VB168. Definitely a great buy and with the headset fix, I’m definitely a buyer. Thanks again for the great content!
Awesome to hear! I would contact them via their Instagram first, to get the conversation started
Your the man bro..you 1st put me up on prime aero bars now this..omg..I can finally give my Sworks sl7 a rest when i build up a velo bike..the cuts looks just like my sl7 tarmac..lol
LET’S GOOOOOO BRO!!
Great review! Looks great. I am loving my 168
Send me a pic to my IG of you setup!
Hi again! Love the paint job brother!
Thank youuuuuuu!
Yeah! That paint job looks great. Very nice build!
Welcome back J E ! Thank you for the support!
Championship White with red decals would have been nice. Cool bike.
Thanks for watching!
Patrick another great review
Love the bike I’m seriously thinking of reaching out to Velobuild
Awesome! I would recommend contacting them via their Instagram to get the conversation started.
Cool man nice build as always 💪🏽🚴♂️
Thanks Aldrin!!!
That's amazing.
Thanks for watching 👍🏾
I’m a big fan of the Assioma Duo. Not crazy expensive but extremely reliable.
Will certainly replace my PowerTap with Assiomas once these go to poop....for a 2nd time LoL
Wow, amazing build, and extra kudos for the paint job. I would love a separate in depth video of how you did it. Lots of interesting things, especially that FSA stem thingy.
The only thing i found surprising is your ftp. Is it really only 260W?
Thanks for watching, it’s closer to 300. Not sure where 260 came from 🤣🤣
@@PatrickLino good! Then you're credible when talking about bikes :) the 260 was on your Strava screenshot from that long ride you did.
@@pierrex3226 😮😮😮
@@pierrex3226 what does your FTP have to do with being credible talking about bikes?
@@abedfo88 everything. If you're a worthless cyclist I'm not interested in your opinion on bikes. Especially all the qualitative largely BS stuff around stiffness, compliance and so on. You don't ask your hairdresser about your health, you shouldn't get your bike info from someone who can't drop you.
Really like your show. Thanks for your work. Also great to see Chicago, as Chicago rider too. I am thinking about building the 066, which is more of an endurance frame. Have you an experience with that one? Thanks again for what you're doing.
Thanks for watching. I have not tried the 066, as I usually focus on aero framesets for road cycling. I imagine the 066 is similar quality and experience as the 168 and 177
@@PatrickLino thanks!! That helps! Really excited to try it out. Thanks again!
💥💥💥
Thanks for watching!
Looks good with the FSA 69 headset LOL how did it go with mechanical shifting ?
SIGNIFICANTLY easier with the FSA headset than trying to route a fully integrated cockpit. Total game changer for me
Patrick for Prez!!
Free bikes for all! Wait…what!? 🤣
@@PatrickLino Bahaha one day we'll have our own Oprah moment! Wait she's from the CHI, do you know her?!? 🤣
What are your favorite Japanese sport cars? Mine are: Nissan Silvia S14 Kouki, Honda EK Civic Type R, and Mitsubishi Evolution IV
Great vid! Mazda RX-7 FD 💯
@@migatron7359 Great choice!!
Just watching this again, I saw that the 268 had a new seatpost and it comes with 0mm setback and I want it. I hate the setback on my 168, I’ve been trying to reach them to get the seatpost but no luck yet…
The seatpost on the 268 is not compatible with the 168. And VeloBuild does not make a 0mm setback post for the 168. Kind of a shame, but I can understand the decision especially given the price point.
@@PatrickLino dang I was wondering if I can get a seatpost somewhere for the 168 but otherwise I’ll just ride it out for a bit longer and then get the 268!
Thanks for the reply!
I've just discovered your channel & am enjoying your videos. I'm thinking of buying a Chinese carbon frame & building myself a bike, but I'd prefer a more relaxed endurance type geometry rather than an aggressive race geometry. Do you have any suggestions?
Thanks for watching! Relaxed endurance geometry is a difficult one to define, because this geometry can mean different things to different people. I'd recommend visiting Velobuild, Winspace, and Yeoleo's website, and comparing their available frames to you desired geometry.
Hello Patrick, ive been watching yr videos, but its my 1st time...(thats what She Said...:) )
I just would like to know, or wondering about the diference between this vb168 and the Dengfu R12?
Thanks and keep up with good work
Truthfully I prefer the Dengfu in term of sheer performance. it's stiffer and feels more geared toward actual racing. The geometry is also different, which you also need to consider. However, VB's customer support is better and they offerr custom paint. Best thing to do is figure out which is these details are most important to you. but also makes sure you spend MOST of your budget on wheels. Wheels are far more important than frame.
How do you get that extra data in Strava? Mostly the Peak Power data that shows your 5min avg etc... I like the beers counter too...
It's a Google Chrome web browser extension called "Sauce for Strava" 👍🏾
awesome patrick, liked and subbed!
Thanks so much Andrew, have a great weekend!
@@PatrickLino also, that Antetokounmpo mural at 10:45 is sweet!
Hi! Is this more like Tarmac sl7 or the venge? 😊
I have not ridden either, so can’t comment. The geometry however is identical to the SL7
@@PatrickLinoOh, thanks mate! Sorry for my English ❤
New subscriber here. Great videos. Any chance of you getting the Velobuild 218 built as peaking my interest and yiy certainly know what you are doing. For reference I've been in the bike industry for 17 years and these frames have come on incredibly in 10 years. So much so I'd buy one.
Thanks for watching! No plans to build a VB 218. Most likely will be taking a break on a building up budget frames.
@@PatrickLino good call. You can over egg the pudding. Keep it coming either way. Great channel and engaging to watch from South West Devon UK. ❤️🇬🇧🌍👍
@@pbt2005 thank youuuu!
I consider to go for a velo build after your reviews... I would like to have a comparison with a tarmas sl7, did you ever tried it?
I have not
I just received my VBR 168. Why didn’t you go with the SL7 stem? Does the FSA 69 headset fit perfect with the correct bearings? Just wondering all these small issues before I build mine.
Like the color. In terms of the handlebar why did you opt out of the velobuild non integrated handlebar (separate bar and stem)? Agree with you and others that velobuild needs to provide more install info eg (send out the torque info with the product)
Thanks for watching! I explain this in detail at the 7:48 mark 👍🏾
How do you think this frame compares to Dengfu R12? If you had the choice to choose one would you pick between the two? Great content btw!
The Dengfu is much stiffer. I prefer it over the 168. However, the R12 discontinued.
Compared to 177, is 168 faster and how much? Also what other significant differences while riding would you name between the 2 (e.g. I know the geometry is different and we have numbers for that, I’m asking more from real world testing perspective)? Thanks, loving the videos!
Wheels are far more important than the frame for aerodynamics.
im still riding the first gen allez sprint, not impressed with the the new one. Still weighing my options, how does the stiffness on this velo frame compare to the old allez sprint? Im already sold on the look and price.
Not as stiff as the Allez Sprint, which make sense because it's alloy. However, the 168 is stiff enough yet lighter to offset. There are other carbon bikes out there that are stiffer, but will cost you.
Hi Patrick. I'm kinda new to the road bike game here, so i wanna ask about the paint job. Is "matte" black option on Velobuild same as unpainted? If not, do i have to sand my frame down or something if i want to paint it? Thanks in advance
Hi there - I’m not sure not honestly, best to email VeloBuild or reach out to their IG account for quicker replies 👍🏾
is this uci approved???
LoL
How do you buy the wheels? No online shop at the site
My apologies. They are sold on Ali Express via the official brand: www.aliexpress.com/item/3256804229184469.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.499953acRkkbpH&algo_pvid=46da7351-e274-4856-bb2c-bfd0d23962a9&algo_exp_id=46da7351-e274-4856-bb2c-bfd0d23962a9-6&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22sku_id%22%3A%2212000029114272177%22%7D&pdp_npi=2%40dis%21USD%211140.0%21969.0%21%21%21%21%21%402103250d16607449092477748e0d40%2112000029114272177%21sea&curPageLogUid=dUj1ZnxAaXcg
I was wondering if you have a spare set of wheels for sale ? 55 or 60 mm 😅
👀
Will you review Sensah in the future?
I don't see the value in it unless Sensah want's to send me out a groupset to test. I live in a big city where groupsets are easy to find.
I moved out of Chicago because the riding was so terrible. Hats off to you for making it happen.
Does the velobuild frame come from workswell or a different company?
Chicago is an awesome city for cycling.
have you compared the speed of both or all three of your builds as to which is the fastest with the same wattage? Maybe do a test in another video.
Wheels, rolling resistance, and drivetrain efficiency are far more important for both speed and watt savings than the frameset.
@@PatrickLino I was just wondering in your builds what to expect if we copied. thanks for replyiing.
Hey Patrick, Im having loose headset issues with my Velobuild 177. Do you think the FSA HS for internal routing would solve this IYO?...And thanks for the great vids!
Hey there. I wrote a detailed article and resolution for this problem. You can read about it here: chinertown.com/index.php/topic,3781.0.html
Hi i see the velobuild frame is similar to those in aliexpress. Are they the similar build ?
I have not tested the Ali Express version.
Bonjour Patrick. What’s the stem length on the bike? Thank you
8:06 mark
Who makes the wheel set that you are using ?
Review here: ua-cam.com/video/yEnRYd_EYvw/v-deo.html
Can this frame using sl7 headset and stem ??
I've seen it done, but it's best to check the specs and headset opening measurements.
What did you prefer the 177 or 168?
For my needs, the geometry of the 168 works better for me. I do however think that with a great set of aero wheels...both bikes would be pretty close in "performance".
Who did you have paint your bike?
Did you not watch the video?
@@PatrickLino had it down too quiet. Holding infant
@@mvzpodcast Pretty legit reason if I do say so myself. I painted it myself at home. For better or for worse.
@@PatrickLino thanks man!! Think I'm gonna go Velo, I'm sure I can do something and just order it matte.
@@mvzpodcast I recommend contacting VeloBuild on Instagram. They are super responsive on there. Mention my name too, even though I don't get any commission 🤣
What does frame, seatpost and fork weight?
compare with 168 and 177 frame, I would like to know how weight they are?
Repeat the questions please
@@PatrickLino May I know the weight of the frame 168 and 177? Thank you
There is a 100 gram difference in favor of the 177
Thinking of either the 177 or the 168. I have a Giant that I use for climbing. What would you recommend me getting?
Best to check the specs and geometry on their website 👍🏾
If the 168 is from the Tarmac SL 7, where do you think the 177 is from?
@@ants4three tarmac SL6
Do you do full reviews on OF too? lol
Haha gotta pay $9.99 a month to find out 🤣
Hahahaha 😂😂
Do you sell your builds?
The problem is these builds are probably worth more to me than what I would actually get on the open market.
@9:44 😳
Was waiting for someone to pick up on that 🤣
Patrick wear those tan lines with pride!
Haha gotta love it!
Better then the winspace t1500?
The best way to answer is: Spend as much as you can on both wheels and frames. If you can only afford $600 buy a VeloBuild. If you can afford $1500 buy a Winspace. And if you can afford $4000 buy a Tarmac SL7 frame. Velobuild isn't trying to compete with frames costing more $1000, and their customer base fully understand that.
Niceeeee
Thanks for stopping by!
I honestly don't know what mold velo build is using or which brand they are buying from. but for the price I believe is one of the lower end mold we are using in China to build clone frame.
there are higher end clone which weights and looks almost identical to the real frame. frames are almost all made in China anyway
What is even more interesting...is the fact there are a few private/micro brands using Velobuild frames, but are charging more for the same frame. Dolan and Workswell come to mind. I fully understand why this business model works, because creating and/or purchasing molds is expensive. However, paying significantly more for a frame that I know can be had for half the price doesn't make a lot of since.
Can we get a "here" count lmao?
How many did you hear? Winner get a prize!
@@PatrickLino 89?
@@brasstinmancrazy You get a prize
Should have built it up with sensah, going to get expensive if you keep putting ultegra on it 😄
That's why I have an OF account! 🤣
@@PatrickLino what is this ahem...account called?
@@statosphereonline2008 QuickFinish69
@@PatrickLino Love a quick finisher 🏁🚴🏽♂️💨💨🚴🏼🚴🏻♀️🚴🏻♂️
Yo P’ so you half 🇲🇽 🙌🏽-😜I see you w that “farmers tan “ 👀//😅🤘🏽
Belizean my friend. Which is next door to Mexico haha
@@PatrickLino 🤣 Very true . Viva Patricio!👏🏽 🤘🏽
Yo Patrick! Is this an undisclosed affiliate marketing partnership?
Lol no dude 🤣
Not even a link to the OF smdh
Don't want UA-cam to demonetize the $4.00 I'll make from this video.
😂😂 cool video laughing at your only fans advertising.
Ayyyooooo
If I had a dollar for every time he says here 🤣
You’d be rich!
74 kg? Damn that's hella heavy 🙈
Lol
Velobuild good if you short nothing for those of us who are tall.
I'm 6 feet tall with a 6'4" wingspan. You must be a jolly green giant?
OF plug right off the bat 😆
I GOT A FAMILY TO FEEEEEED!
What’s the thickness of the headset top cover?
It's an FSA no69 headset cover. Please check their website for more details and specs.
sorry, i cant find your onlyfans account. can you put the link in the description please?
🤣🤣
Thanks for watching!
My onlyfans content keeps getting leaked to free sites. I ain’t earning squat
Haha your OF content must be top notch then!
What does frame, seatpost and fork weight?
I don’t remember, but I have a separate video where I weigh everything