The reason it took so long to get this video out was because I wanted to get a couple rides on this bike to really get a good feel on what I was feeling, in this video I go over my interaction with the company who makes the bike, my first ride impression of sensa pro group set, and more importantly, how this frame held up with ride quality, I hope you enjoy :)
Great content Current tarmac is as flexible as a bike can be in the mid frame section Disc brake bikes have changed the whole dynamic of frames due to the need of reinforcement of frontal fork lateral movement of disc brakes. Personal opinion here, if you want to recalibrate your senses of what a bike should feel like, ride a 2010 - 2015 rim brake madone/tarmac/prince My opinion being this was the pinnacle of road bikes.
Thanks for not click-baiting us and giving a real honest opinion about the build process and ride quality. Kinda sick of reviews of “cheap” bike builds that the reviewer just happened to be “repurposing” a full Di2 or Etap groupo and freaking ZIPP wheels. So that $2k bike review was actually a $4-5k bike 🤦🏽♂️. You did it the right way and gave good insight on your experience. Thanks for that.
I had the same issue with stiffness of the bike. I changed from my super stiff wheels and went to the elite drive 50’s. I also used sram forces and ceramic bottom bracket and this frame feel really good. I also run at 85 psi
really? that is nice, I mean 85 psi is super soft and the elite wheels are nice but I mean those are the same wheels i run on my tarmac and I have not had any complaints about stiffness over 2000km
@@gabrielfernandeztattoos Yeah man I 100% agree with GC's sentiments on VeloBuild frames. Sluggish but good value for price. A great starter or DIY frame for sure
I can confirm not all Velobuilds are so stiff. If anything, the back end of 177 could be stiffer and I would be cool with it. It also seems like the 177 is an original design and not a copy, which is kinda nice. Also when I switched from Sensah to SRAM Red the difference was undeniable, especially in braking. I'd happily use Sensah again, but on a rim brake build...
Thanks for the honest review. This reaffirms my fake Pinarello Dogma F12 build - some build quality issues but good enough for the casual weekend rider.👍👍👍
"lowered the air to 100psi" 😂😂😂 honestly, I don't think you can blame the bike for the ride feel. You're riding 100psi....and that was the "low" setting....what was the old setting???? Crazy.
this is the exact same psi I have ran on all my previous bikes for over 10 years, tarmac sl2 sl3 sl5 first gen venge sworks venge vias tarmac sl6 tarmac sl7 no complaints of stiffness there at 120 psi and 700x23
I recently but a Velobuild R 177 lightweight with Hunt carbon wheels and SRAM axs rival group set. I would say my experience is exactly the same as you described. I normally ride a Giant TCR with Dura-ace DI2 and like you said the difference seems to be just that sluggish slow to respond sort of feel. But again for the price what do you expect , I think for the price the service from Velobuild is good and the product is more than I expected at the price point. For a lot of people this is a way to get on a carbon bike at a faction of the cost of main stream brands.
More and more people want a road bike. Road bikes are becoming increasingly inaccessible, either due to increasing price or supply. An alternative that doesn't suck at a fraction of the price? Also, the whole "I rode cheap Chinese part and here is what happened" videos make for great content 😁
Great review, I have a 168 on the way right now. For me this bike will be the most expensive bike I've had/ridden, I think the majority of their customers fall in this same category
I like your review. You compared and contrasted against top tier name brand "super bikes" you currently ride and have ridden in the past. I recently ordered a VBr-218. This is my first road build and my 3rd carbon bike in since I started cycling 2 years ago...almost to the day. I will do a review from my laymen POV. I do need help verifying a BB for a SRAM Force Dub 12-Speed Crankset.
Man thanks for following up with the review. Your perspective, as someone who has ridden "superbikes", is respected. Do you think your ride quality would be different if the bike had for eg the same group-Set, wheels etc, as the superbikes you have ridden?
the shifting form the groupset was amazing, I was actually very surprised and it was spot on for what it was, and the very little shifting we do down here like 2-3 gears didnt have that much impact on the ride. just the bike in my perspective was, what it was
Had the same experience with the Velobuild R-051, hard and uncomfortable. Replaced it with an entry Giant TCR (2000€ couple years back, 105/Ultegra mix) after doing almost 20.000km on it, much better bike and not that expensive either.
I've had a velobuild r5 clone., I think it's model 165, for about 7 years now. No real problems durability wise. Even had 2 big crashes and it's still holding up well to my 215lbs. Only complaint I have is I was told it could fit 25mm tires. 25mm fit very tightly out back, up front they rub.
Next bike I am looking for non integrated cable route not via handlebar/stem/head tube. Rather have cables/wires have go around head tube into top tube or down tube to avoid maintenance- setup hassles or possible performance issues in use with senseable internal routing or external.
A bit out of topic, at the same price point which one is more bang for the buck Velobuild+force axs+chinese carbon wheels Used Giant tcr+rival axs+farsports feder Or at 300 more a used sl6+ultegra mech+roval wheels
Thanks for the ride quality video. So, basically, it feels like a cheap aluminium bike? Sluggish, not snappy, and feel heavy. That might not really be the case when it’s on Strava, but ‘ride feel’ plays a tremendous mental role. Especially when we’re on the saddle for long hours
The thing with the clone frames is the layup/layers/lug joints/inserts/type of carbon/epoxy/etc are probably a fair bit different from the real thing. Even if they're aesthetically close, they're probably not identical in ride quality for a variety of reasons. Ignoring poor build quality discrepancy, Luescher's video of the Colnago clone vs real Colnago side by side shows a noticeable difference in the construction. These factories making clones don't exactly have the same build files and print files that they're sending to CNC weave cutters, they're reengineering the bike...sometimes for the better, sometimes worse.
@@drsmoooth8787 In my comment I said ignoring build quality and sometimes they're even better constructed... Fact is they're still different and would feel different.
Oui mais sur le terrain pensez-vous qu’avec les mêmes watt il y aurait un écart notable? La principale résistance pour un vélo c’est le vent et ensuite la résistance au roulement des pneus donc finalement avec une aérodynamique équivalente en quoi le faux irait réellement moins vite?
Hi. My English is not very good. Is this frame too rigid? Does it react instantly when force is applied? How does it feel when sprint? Thank you buddy :)
Hi gc thats an awesome video man a complete racing bike for 2000 dollars is utopically a blast no one better than you to talk about this bike for a guy like me here on venezuela with no money even to buy this bike is amaizing as happen to me i believe strongly that much of the people that watch your content or similar channels or opinnions having a bad time collecting money to buy a trek a scott or a specialized to mention some brands and see the posibillity of with 2k we could buy a decent bike to ride also the thurth is that no one of us will become a profesional rider and that bike thanks to the low price give the chance to buy better components on the time ahead of use and riding this bike is perfect allow guys like me or anyone else to excersize to have fun riding to enjoy the bike regarding that anyone on the future could got the chance to buy a superior bike of other brand like me that dream of one day i could own a trek madone but certainly i cant and this bike performs in a better way whitout been a super bike is a kind of a entry racing bike congrats man this is a spectacular video my friend
@@GCPerformance18 off course man all your videos are awesome i learn a lot of things about bikes that i dont know keep on doing it man i hope one day you could make a video of a bike ride with that 2k chinese bike cheers my friend
I've tested pinarello replica frame, surprisingly the build quality quality as good as original frame. You might cannot tell which one are fake. The riding experience with the fake one is much pleasure if you use decent groupset and wheels. The only problem the are just slightly heavier than the original frame maybe extra 200- 300 gram due to different carbon material
I don't have a superbike, but I have a Tarmac SL6. I can not honestly tell that much of a difference between it and my VB-R-077. I feel like the 077 wants to take off like a rocket ship when I sprint.
Much if what you’re saying mirrors what cyclingtips wrote about the original Dogma F in their one year review. Particularly that the frame feels harsh and is not the stiffest in some areas. I’d be interested to see an actual side by side comparison or someone measuring deflection in key areas like head tube and BB. TOUR magazine in Germany does this on all reviews.
They did do this. The F is much softer in all measured areas compared to the F12. Actually is softer than the F10. The F8 really was the pinnacle in my book. Stiff, light, simple, elegant.
900 to a 1000w at 25 miles an hour? You were climbing? It is a lot of power for that speed. Next time when filling anything in a threaded bottom bracket, make sure to protect the threads. Maybe that is why you had troubles threading the bracket in. My only concern is the front fork. Good build
Love this video! I would really love to see a quality (budget) groupset and see if it still has the same sluggish feel. How do you this would this feel with a 105 groupset and better chain and wheels?
the groupset didnt have anything to do with the feel of the bike, if anything i was very happy with the performance of the components, it was more the frame that felt a little chunky on the getup, top end speed felt good
Perhaps build up the vb168 to compare as this is the sl7 copy and you do love the tarmac family. Could be a snappier bike as the fake Pinarello heavy for sure, like its real thing.
As I ventured down this road I didn’t like the people it brough attention too. I got in contact with to many people about the previous video. I’ll just stick to Chinese companies frames that look like there own
@@GCPerformance18 That's probably a good call. It sucks if any of these companies' legal teams would create problems for you though. You're not the one stealing IP you're just a customer. Doesn't mean they won't threaten you though and it's not worth the hassle. Thanks for following up even if you had to cover it in tape 🙂
@@GCPerformance18 I hear you brother. I've been in the industry 17 years. Never known a time like it. Pricing normal riders out of the game and new world frames at great prices though risks taken in QC etc. Thanks for keeping it real.
I can let you know that in approx. 2 weeks time, when my one arrives I am putting all of my existing f8 gear onto this frameset... which is dura ace, absolute black ovals and lightweight meilenstein wheels!! I have also ridden many many top marque bikes and I am also a road bike and MTB guide on the beautiful island of Mallorca (some say cycling heaven) - But I shall say what I always say, I could ride any bike proficiently, because it's what I do... and I think being able to be equally as good on any terrain, being on road or MTB helps with that. A client that hires me alot here has the real deal f12, €15k spent on it... and I can tell u this is a stiff bike already.. and let me also tell you, I could beat him up any climb here if I was on a raleigh chopper and him on his very expensive bike!! I have clients with their €20k eMtb's that cannot keep up with me on the off road tracks here!! Lifestyle/Nutrition/Ability/bike....I have busted so many top marque frames and very expensive shimano cranks, I'm just not gonna buy any top marque frame again... So.. for me.. this will do... I also have many friends who are also Alpine guides who have purchased the lightweight frames and they are very happy with them... but again, these guys are very elite riders and could ride anything. Finally, my existing 'real' dogma f8 frame (which has failed big time at the BB housing!) was a very stiff bike, but hardly anyone passed me on it...
I rode this bike the same place I have been riding bikes for years, we are very flat and we onyl shift maybe 2-3 gears, the shifting was the not the problem, I actually was suprised when I needed to shift how great it performed, I mainly did these bike tests to souly focus on ride quality and not take into consideration shifting feel
@@GCPerformance18 Next time u wanna ride a bike in Bike heaven... get on a flight to Mallorca... then look me up... and I'll blow your mind!! on road and MTB! free! and bike hire is free for you too...
honestly, to make it not look like a knock off, because I got an email from a certain company that looked just like this bike saying they wanted me to take down all videos related to this bike, but that is the only reason why, nothing wrong with the bike
@@GCPerformance18 do you have any problems fitting the bottom bracket? What about the threads on the bottom bracket? Any creaking issues? Thanks for the review
Je ne comprends pas pourquoi il va moins vite qu’un pinarello ? On est d’accord qu’ils sont similaires en aero ,le poids est assez proche et il est suffisamment rigide alors pourquoi irait-il moins vite? On pourrait dire la fibre mais pour avoir expérimenté des fibres haut de gamme,elles n’apportent pas grand chose à part un gain de poids. Alors le drapage du carbone ? Mais comment pourrait-il agir pour que l’on sente la différence ? Je pense que tu as eu la pression de la part de ton fournisseur et que tu es obligé de dire celà sinon tu auras interdiction de distribuer la marque,je trouve ça courageux de ta part mais malheureusement pas objectif. Je connais quelqu’un qui roule sur un faux F12 il roule très fort avec et pas mieux avec ses autres vélos de marque . Après tu peux rassurer ton fournisseur,quelqu’un qui achète chinois n’aurait jamais acheté le vrai donc aucune vraie perte financière pour pinarello.Quand tu achète un pinarello tu n’achètes pas qu’une performance mais une image un prestige comme une montre breitling,une casio donne l’heure exactement pareil mais ce n’est pas une breitling !! Je parie j’en achète un il sera tout aussi performant avec les mêmes équipements,peut être un peu moins confortable c’est tout.
Well, a real Pinarello does use a very different carbon and a carbon layup which costs a lot more money. They also put in way more R&D. I'm not trying to justify the full outrageous price of their bike though. Even taking into account sponsorship of the best funded team in the world tour, they are still over priced.
Said for many years. Carbon frames from known brands should be between 1500-2000 dollars. Then they are accessible and would sell a lot more. Charging 3500, 5000 and up to 7000 grand for a frame is just a scheme…
I would ascribe the 80/20 rule to Velobuild. Is is a superbike? No. But they do get you 80% there at 20% the price (please do not fact check my math...😅). The other 80% of the price is paid in sweat equity during the build
He said that like the tape masking, cause he works in a big brands dealership, gotta save some faces for the big brands, so yeah….. we all know a non climbing light weight stiff frame is sluggish on the start…. yeah…right…must be the aero profile…yeah…
No thanks! I commend you for the effort, but that build was just destined for disaster. If it were me, I would have built a used CAAD10 with Shimano 105 or Ultegra and decent carbon clinchers.
I'm currently riding a Sensah groupset, and yeah, the brakes sucks. But I saw recently Ltwoo is just releasing a groupset with full hydraulic disc brakes, and definitely wanna try out
An "unsafe" frame 🤔 I guess it is hit or miss with these generic no brand frames. However I know some guys in my local race scene who for years raced on cheap Chinese no name frames for a while because they were broke college kids but they dominated the P/1/2 field at the time and they loved those bikes. They're pro cyclists now, sponsored by a pro team, and ride 12K+ bikes
Tape, not a word about Pinarello and no real (mechanical) arguments how this frame relates to the real Dogma F, like you did in a previous video…. And i see the first video has been removed? I conclude this video has been ‘influenced’, at least…..
He'd probably lose his channel and be subject to a law suit you mong. The previous two videos have already been taken down. Can you not see the tape all over it.
@@ChrisYTube82 there are fuck ton of pinarello copy frameset on aliexpress and it is up to you do buy them but if you do promote them officially, you probably deserve lawsuit.
@@lee1987923 nah, Pinarello should be sued for charging 7k for a bicycle frame. That's ridiculous. I pass Pinarello's on the trail all day on my Velobuild 😂 nothing about them is that special
The reason it took so long to get this video out was because I wanted to get a couple rides on this bike to really get a good feel on what I was feeling, in this video I go over my interaction with the company who makes the bike, my first ride impression of sensa pro group set, and more importantly, how this frame held up with ride quality, I hope you enjoy :)
why this tape on the frame ?
What’s with the black tape all over the frame?
Y the tape 😂😂
why the tape?
Tape?? Is that areotape??
Great content
Current tarmac is as flexible as a bike can be in the mid frame section
Disc brake bikes have changed the whole dynamic of frames due to the need of reinforcement of frontal fork lateral movement of disc brakes.
Personal opinion here, if you want to recalibrate your senses of what a bike should feel like, ride a 2010 - 2015 rim brake madone/tarmac/prince
My opinion being this was the pinnacle of road bikes.
thanks so much!!!
Thanks for not click-baiting us and giving a real honest opinion about the build process and ride quality. Kinda sick of reviews of “cheap” bike builds that the reviewer just happened to be “repurposing” a full Di2 or Etap groupo and freaking ZIPP wheels. So that $2k bike review was actually a $4-5k bike 🤦🏽♂️. You did it the right way and gave good insight on your experience. Thanks for that.
Thank you very much for watching and appreciating the content
I had the same issue with stiffness of the bike. I changed from my super stiff wheels and went to the elite drive 50’s. I also used sram forces and ceramic bottom bracket and this frame feel really good. I also run at 85 psi
What BB you use with the SRAM Force?
@@drsmoooth8787 I am using bb infinite
really? that is nice, I mean 85 psi is super soft and the elite wheels are nice but I mean those are the same wheels i run on my tarmac and I have not had any complaints about stiffness over 2000km
Oh snap, I gotta watch this video before "the man" comes and takes it down!
Who?
@@ariffau "The man"
Pinar**** cough cough
Something similar you say on your review of the velobuild frame right?
@@gabrielfernandeztattoos Yeah man I 100% agree with GC's sentiments on VeloBuild frames. Sluggish but good value for price. A great starter or DIY frame for sure
Any reason you had to camouflage the frame? I see you also removed your other videos where you compared this frame with the pinarello.
Pinarello probably about to sue
@@MJarthur95 that probably explain why those bikes are out of stock on velobuild
Yea they are probably trying to dump their stock there is no way this frame will have long term support
@@gabrielfernandeztattoos I think they just took the pictures down....but yeah.. Feel the heat!!
Tape holding the frame together??😁
I can confirm not all Velobuilds are so stiff. If anything, the back end of 177 could be stiffer and I would be cool with it. It also seems like the 177 is an original design and not a copy, which is kinda nice.
Also when I switched from Sensah to SRAM Red the difference was undeniable, especially in braking. I'd happily use Sensah again, but on a rim brake build...
Thanks for the honest review. This reaffirms my fake Pinarello Dogma F12 build - some build quality issues but good enough for the casual weekend rider.👍👍👍
I have a chinarello dogma F10 and honestly its good enough for a weekend rider. Ride it more than my $5k TCR Disk...
agreed!!
"lowered the air to 100psi" 😂😂😂 honestly, I don't think you can blame the bike for the ride feel. You're riding 100psi....and that was the "low" setting....what was the old setting???? Crazy.
steel wheels like in the 1850s
If he is running the same pressure on the other bikes, then that is a control so it's irrelevant...
this is the exact same psi I have ran on all my previous bikes for over 10 years, tarmac sl2 sl3 sl5 first gen venge sworks venge vias tarmac sl6 tarmac sl7 no complaints of stiffness there at 120 psi and 700x23
I recently but a Velobuild R 177 lightweight with Hunt carbon wheels and SRAM axs rival group set. I would say my experience is exactly the same as you described. I normally ride a Giant TCR with Dura-ace DI2 and like you said the difference seems to be just that sluggish slow to respond sort of feel. But again for the price what do you expect , I think for the price the service from Velobuild is good and the product is more than I expected at the price point. For a lot of people this is a way to get on a carbon bike at a faction of the cost of main stream brands.
What's with the tape? Frame re-enforcement? 😂
Most important: your beard is cut nice straight. Ride slow, look good…my motto since years
hahahah this is the number one rule!!!
This velobuild sure is showing up on a lot of channels all the sudden
More and more people want a road bike. Road bikes are becoming increasingly inaccessible, either due to increasing price or supply.
An alternative that doesn't suck at a fraction of the price?
Also, the whole "I rode cheap Chinese part and here is what happened" videos make for great content 😁
Great review, I have a 168 on the way right now. For me this bike will be the most expensive bike I've had/ridden, I think the majority of their customers fall in this same category
and I believe you are going to enjoy it alot :)
I like your review. You compared and contrasted against top tier name brand "super bikes" you currently ride and have ridden in the past. I recently ordered a VBr-218. This is my first road build and my 3rd carbon bike in since I started cycling 2 years ago...almost to the day. I will do a review from my laymen POV. I do need help verifying a BB for a SRAM Force Dub 12-Speed Crankset.
thank you very much!!! I really appreciate it os much!!! it is a sram dub bsa bottom bracket it will work just search that it is threaded sram dub bsa
My frame shipped! Woohoo!
Man thanks for following up with the review. Your perspective, as someone who has ridden "superbikes", is respected. Do you think your ride quality would be different if the bike had for eg the same group-Set, wheels etc, as the superbikes you have ridden?
the shifting form the groupset was amazing, I was actually very surprised and it was spot on for what it was, and the very little shifting we do down here like 2-3 gears didnt have that much impact on the ride. just the bike in my perspective was, what it was
Had the same experience with the Velobuild R-051, hard and uncomfortable.
Replaced it with an entry Giant TCR (2000€ couple years back, 105/Ultegra mix) after doing almost 20.000km on it, much better bike and not that expensive either.
very nice!!!
I've had a velobuild r5 clone., I think it's model 165, for about 7 years now. No real problems durability wise. Even had 2 big crashes and it's still holding up well to my 215lbs. Only complaint I have is I was told it could fit 25mm tires. 25mm fit very tightly out back, up front they rub.
Next bike I am looking for non integrated cable route not via handlebar/stem/head tube. Rather have cables/wires have go around head tube into top tube or down tube to avoid maintenance- setup hassles or possible performance issues in use with senseable internal routing or external.
Hambini said the frame is OK, just that you might have to do some work, just like you did, and mostly the bottom bracket!
yea, just be prepared to have to do some touchg ups but nothing you cant work around or figure out
A bit out of topic, at the same price point which one is more bang for the buck
Velobuild+force axs+chinese carbon wheels
Used Giant tcr+rival axs+farsports feder
Or at 300 more a used sl6+ultegra mech+roval wheels
go giant you wil enjoy th eride more
@@GCPerformance18 thank you.
It looks like you’ve had some pressure applied to you by someone 😮
lmao maybe
Thanks for the ride quality video. So, basically, it feels like a cheap aluminium bike?
Sluggish, not snappy, and feel heavy.
That might not really be the case when it’s on Strava, but ‘ride feel’ plays a tremendous mental role. Especially when we’re on the saddle for long hours
The thing with the clone frames is the layup/layers/lug joints/inserts/type of carbon/epoxy/etc are probably a fair bit different from the real thing. Even if they're aesthetically close, they're probably not identical in ride quality for a variety of reasons. Ignoring poor build quality discrepancy, Luescher's video of the Colnago clone vs real Colnago side by side shows a noticeable difference in the construction. These factories making clones don't exactly have the same build files and print files that they're sending to CNC weave cutters, they're reengineering the bike...sometimes for the better, sometimes worse.
Luescher picked the Chinarello over the Pinarello for build quality.
@@drsmoooth8787 In my comment I said ignoring build quality and sometimes they're even better constructed... Fact is they're still different and would feel different.
Oui mais sur le terrain pensez-vous qu’avec les mêmes watt il y aurait un écart notable? La principale résistance pour un vélo c’est le vent et ensuite la résistance au roulement des pneus donc finalement avec une aérodynamique équivalente en quoi le faux irait réellement moins vite?
Of course it's going to beat you up when you're riding at 100psi on 28's. Why so much?
Hi. My English is not very good.
Is this frame too rigid? Does it react instantly when force is applied? How does it feel when sprint?
Thank you buddy :)
feels a little sluggish in all those categories, still rides like a bike but does not feel like a super bike, feels like a base model carbon bike
Practical cabling is a nightmare, yes, but the result . . . clean look!
compared to the pinarello?
Hi gc thats an awesome video man a complete racing bike for 2000 dollars is utopically a blast no one better than you to talk about this bike for a guy like me here on venezuela with no money even to buy this bike is amaizing as happen to me i believe strongly that much of the people that watch your content or similar channels or opinnions having a bad time collecting money to buy a trek a scott or a specialized to mention some brands and see the posibillity of with 2k we could buy a decent bike to ride also the thurth is that no one of us will become a profesional rider and that bike thanks to the low price give the chance to buy better components on the time ahead of use and riding this bike is perfect allow guys like me or anyone else to excersize to have fun riding to enjoy the bike regarding that anyone on the future could got the chance to buy a superior bike of other brand like me that dream of one day i could own a trek madone but certainly i cant and this bike performs in a better way whitout been a super bike is a kind of a entry racing bike congrats man this is a spectacular video my friend
I am glad you enjoyed my friend and I appreciate your insight!!! I hope this video helped you
@@GCPerformance18 off course man all your videos are awesome i learn a lot of things about bikes that i dont know keep on doing it man i hope one day you could make a video of a bike ride with that 2k chinese bike cheers my friend
I've tested pinarello replica frame, surprisingly the build quality quality as good as original frame. You might cannot tell which one are fake. The riding experience with the fake one is much pleasure if you use decent groupset and wheels. The only problem the are just slightly heavier than the original frame maybe extra 200- 300 gram due to different carbon material
Hello. Which frameset did you try with? Pinarello dogma f?
did you feel any flex in sprints and hills on the fake one? thanks.
@@ByAliiTR hi tested F12, the frame is stiff and agile. Just additional 200-300 grams as i was informed by the owner.
Honest review
I do my best!!
Il fully with you. If you are used to a superbike the ridefeel of cheap bikes is just different. Even if they look like a dogma.
I don't have a superbike, but I have a Tarmac SL6. I can not honestly tell that much of a difference between it and my VB-R-077. I feel like the 077 wants to take off like a rocket ship when I sprint.
Much if what you’re saying mirrors what cyclingtips wrote about the original Dogma F in their one year review. Particularly that the frame feels harsh and is not the stiffest in some areas. I’d be interested to see an actual side by side comparison or someone measuring deflection in key areas like head tube and BB. TOUR magazine in Germany does this on all reviews.
They did do this. The F is much softer in all measured areas compared to the F12. Actually is softer than the F10. The F8 really was the pinnacle in my book. Stiff, light, simple, elegant.
You crack me up GC. Thanks for the review on the Chinese stuff...
900 to a 1000w at 25 miles an hour? You were climbing? It is a lot of power for that speed. Next time when filling anything in a threaded bottom bracket, make sure to protect the threads. Maybe that is why you had troubles threading the bracket in. My only concern is the front fork. Good build
900-1000w was my sprint. The ride was at 25mph the sprint was like 35mph but complete flat
very descent speed
I also build my own bikes using frames from China. That top tube looks weird 🤔. But 7.49kg for a $2000 bike 👍
Maybe the disc brakes are so bad because you are squeezing the hoses through a tiny hole with 90 degree angles??
lmao probably but no even when squeezing so tight they do not brake for shit
Love this video! I would really love to see a quality (budget) groupset and see if it still has the same sluggish feel. How do you this would this feel with a 105 groupset and better chain and wheels?
the groupset didnt have anything to do with the feel of the bike, if anything i was very happy with the performance of the components, it was more the frame that felt a little chunky on the getup, top end speed felt good
The brakes suck? you had to shave the bottom bracket with a file? The ride felt sluggish? It beat you up after 30 miles? But it has PINARELLO lines.
hahah the brakes and the bottom bracket I dont think have anything to do with that
Perhaps build up the vb168 to compare as this is the sl7 copy and you do love the tarmac family. Could be a snappier bike as the fake Pinarello heavy for sure, like its real thing.
As I ventured down this road I didn’t like the people it brough attention too. I got in contact with to many people about the previous video. I’ll just stick to Chinese companies frames that look like there own
@@GCPerformance18 That's probably a good call. It sucks if any of these companies' legal teams would create problems for you though. You're not the one stealing IP you're just a customer. Doesn't mean they won't threaten you though and it's not worth the hassle. Thanks for following up even if you had to cover it in tape 🙂
@@GCPerformance18 I hear you brother. I've been in the industry 17 years. Never known a time like it. Pricing normal riders out of the game and new world frames at great prices though risks taken in QC etc. Thanks for keeping it real.
Tape?
Can I know your bike frame dimensions? Just looking for a reference since I'm 6'0" tall as well. Thanks
its a medium I dont know the exact numbers but it is on there website but this is amedium size from there
@@GCPerformance18 thanks for the size context it helps me to get the bearing of the right size for me especially for the top tube part
What if the groupset is top of the line like Duraace or SRAM Red and wheel are Zipp 454 sth like that… I think it won’t make a difference…
How can you make get up faster for sprint ?
thebike? I dont know exactly how too, but I know that some bikes respond quicker and go faster on the get ups
that bike looks good
What's with all the tape over the frame?
change the look :)
If it was built with a top end groupo, would your experience riding this bike be different?
I can let you know that in approx. 2 weeks time, when my one arrives I am putting all of my existing f8 gear onto this frameset... which is dura ace, absolute black ovals and lightweight meilenstein wheels!! I have also ridden many many top marque bikes and I am also a road bike and MTB guide on the beautiful island of Mallorca (some say cycling heaven) - But I shall say what I always say, I could ride any bike proficiently, because it's what I do... and I think being able to be equally as good on any terrain, being on road or MTB helps with that. A client that hires me alot here has the real deal f12, €15k spent on it... and I can tell u this is a stiff bike already.. and let me also tell you, I could beat him up any climb here if I was on a raleigh chopper and him on his very expensive bike!! I have clients with their €20k eMtb's that cannot keep up with me on the off road tracks here!! Lifestyle/Nutrition/Ability/bike....I have busted so many top marque frames and very expensive shimano cranks, I'm just not gonna buy any top marque frame again... So.. for me.. this will do... I also have many friends who are also Alpine guides who have purchased the lightweight frames and they are very happy with them... but again, these guys are very elite riders and could ride anything. Finally, my existing 'real' dogma f8 frame (which has failed big time at the BB housing!) was a very stiff bike, but hardly anyone passed me on it...
I rode this bike the same place I have been riding bikes for years, we are very flat and we onyl shift maybe 2-3 gears, the shifting was the not the problem, I actually was suprised when I needed to shift how great it performed, I mainly did these bike tests to souly focus on ride quality and not take into consideration shifting feel
@@GCPerformance18 Next time u wanna ride a bike in Bike heaven... get on a flight to Mallorca... then look me up... and I'll blow your mind!! on road and MTB! free! and bike hire is free for you too...
Why is the frame taped off?
honestly, to make it not look like a knock off, because I got an email from a certain company that looked just like this bike saying they wanted me to take down all videos related to this bike, but that is the only reason why, nothing wrong with the bike
@@GCPerformance18 do you have any problems fitting the bottom bracket? What about the threads on the bottom bracket? Any creaking issues? Thanks for the review
I’m sure those wheels added to the stiffness. From what I’ve heard those winspace wheels are really stiff.
I ride those same wheels on my tarmac sl7 for over 2,000 km and no complaints of stiffness similar to the ones on these rides
Whats that thing covering the top tube?
electrical tape for a cool appreaernce factor
I only have one question ? What’s up with the electrical tape ? Just curious…. lol
I wanted to change the appearance of my bike :)
What material is the carbon? Is it torray t1000?
What size frame is this? CC and top tube length please!!
GC stated the frame is a medium.
@@drsmoooth8787 thank you for feedback! Was curious to know the stack and reach numbers
yea frame is a medium size I dont know the numbers but on there website they have there geometrys listed there
Wait so what's all the tape on the frame about?
so i am able to do the video
@@GCPerformance18 confused 😅
@@GCPerformance18 frame shape prohibited? I.e. you don't want to have the video removed?
Je ne comprends pas pourquoi il va moins vite qu’un pinarello ? On est d’accord qu’ils sont similaires en aero ,le poids est assez proche et il est suffisamment rigide alors pourquoi irait-il moins vite? On pourrait dire la fibre mais pour avoir expérimenté des fibres haut de gamme,elles n’apportent pas grand chose à part un gain de poids. Alors le drapage du carbone ? Mais comment pourrait-il agir pour que l’on sente la différence ?
Je pense que tu as eu la pression de la part de ton fournisseur et que tu es obligé de dire celà sinon tu auras interdiction de distribuer la marque,je trouve ça courageux de ta part mais malheureusement pas objectif.
Je connais quelqu’un qui roule sur un faux F12 il roule très fort avec et pas mieux avec ses autres vélos de marque .
Après tu peux rassurer ton fournisseur,quelqu’un qui achète chinois n’aurait jamais acheté le vrai donc aucune vraie perte financière pour pinarello.Quand tu achète un pinarello tu n’achètes pas qu’une performance mais une image un prestige comme une montre breitling,une casio donne l’heure exactement pareil mais ce n’est pas une breitling !!
Je parie j’en achète un il sera tout aussi performant avec les mêmes équipements,peut être un peu moins confortable c’est tout.
Dope bike for the money. Since it’s a copy of a frame from a certain company makes you wonder how much that company spends on making their bikes
Care to elaborate?
Well, a real Pinarello does use a very different carbon and a carbon layup which costs a lot more money. They also put in way more R&D. I'm not trying to justify the full outrageous price of their bike though. Even taking into account sponsorship of the best funded team in the world tour, they are still over priced.
Said for many years. Carbon frames from known brands should be between 1500-2000 dollars. Then they are accessible and would sell a lot more. Charging 3500, 5000 and up to 7000 grand for a frame is just a scheme…
@@jevgeniardassov Are you suggesting that the real Pina is no better than this Velobuild?
@@tommyfreckmann6857 pinarello dogma f
I think the poor ride comfort had more to do with the wheels. Carbon spokes are extremely stiff and unforgiving.
I ride these wheels on my tarmac, also have sold these wheels to a ton of customers and the ride feels way different
Good experiment and vid but na I would stay clear of it. Rather get a second hand bike if I'm on a budget
same here
Internal cable doesn't work well with cable especially integrated bar that's why the brakes doesn't work right
yes we know this i would prefer a hydraulic on there
So tape is stealth or something else??
Thanks for the video! 😅 can already see to much issues with this bike. Won’t be buying this Chinese bike anytime soon.
:)
I would ascribe the 80/20 rule to Velobuild.
Is is a superbike? No. But they do get you 80% there at 20% the price (please do not fact check my math...😅). The other 80% of the price is paid in sweat equity during the build
Lifestyle / Nutrition / Ability / Bike
10000000 percent!!!
Run 28 tires for smooth ride
these are 28s
How in the world did you not address the weird camo?
lmfao
He said that like the tape masking, cause he works in a big brands dealership, gotta save some faces for the big brands, so yeah….. we all know a non climbing light weight stiff frame is sluggish on the start…. yeah…right…must be the aero profile…yeah…
problem for me would be zero resale value
this is true people are usually turned off by this, but I have seen a good amount of these types of bikes listed as this and for sale online
Why is it wrapped in electrical tape
Issues with a big name brand that the bike looks like. I just posted a new video on it. It’s my most recent on.
No thanks!
I commend you for the effort, but that build was just destined for disaster. If it were me, I would have built a used CAAD10 with Shimano 105 or Ultegra and decent carbon clinchers.
:) agreed
The break situation makes me not want the Sensah "groupset". I don't want rim breaks anymore. Hybrid disc breaks don't appeal to me.
I have seen people buy this group and then go ahead and buy different brake calipers that actually have some nice pull
I'm currently riding a Sensah groupset, and yeah, the brakes sucks. But I saw recently Ltwoo is just releasing a groupset with full hydraulic disc brakes, and definitely wanna try out
An "unsafe" frame 🤔 I guess it is hit or miss with these generic no brand frames. However I know some guys in my local race scene who for years raced on cheap Chinese no name frames for a while because they were broke college kids but they dominated the P/1/2 field at the time and they loved those bikes. They're pro cyclists now, sponsored by a pro team, and ride 12K+ bikes
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Tape, not a word about Pinarello and no real (mechanical) arguments how this frame relates to the real Dogma F, like you did in a previous video…. And i see the first video has been removed?
I conclude this video has been ‘influenced’, at least…..
Are you proud to support china?
😂😂😂
Oh crap, what’s this?
🙄🤨😒
Well the majority of products that come out of china are garbage with exception of very few products. People need to wake up. ⏰️
well when you make one that meets that price point let us know ;)
It's Jina
Dude how do you make video with this frameset and not even mention pinarello once. You really are sell out now. Im out.
He'd probably lose his channel and be subject to a law suit you mong. The previous two videos have already been taken down. Can you not see the tape all over it.
😂😂😂
Hahahahahahaaaaa
@@ChrisYTube82 there are fuck ton of pinarello copy frameset on aliexpress and it is up to you do buy them but if you do promote them officially, you probably deserve lawsuit.
@@lee1987923 nah, Pinarello should be sued for charging 7k for a bicycle frame. That's ridiculous. I pass Pinarello's on the trail all day on my Velobuild 😂 nothing about them is that special
Run 28 tires for smooth ride
28 tires?? but how?