for anyone who had trouble with doing this in 4 turns like I did. I had to do a crit vorpal blade attack between Cendrillion and Johanna, then everything else was the same. overall great guide helped me with my merciless run, thanks
@@tuviaso it's definitely possible with this build. 7-7.1k is the very upper limit of damage for a maxed out Cendrillon from what I experienced. Just gotta prayge harder and keep resetting.
This boss was so stupid when i didnt understand and just continually got megidolon spamed because i didnt know the null penalty until I figured it out from sheer force.
@@reinokuma Sigfried gets it at level 57, I think I did some persona fusions to get it on the character but i dont really remember this was like 6 months ago You cant get crit rate amp from a skill card drop, ur wasting ur time
@@insertnamehere2022 crap fusions i already have cindrillion at max 99 on everything that’s why I was trying to find a skill card because I don’t want to lose all my levels
The whole thing pretty much relies on RNG. Need to hit upper limit for damage values while critting. Also, Fuuka ruined probably a quarter of my attempts xD
Even if you do 7 turns kill without DLCs, you still need to mid-highroll crit SH (and highroll crit Akasha if you go for 6 turns kill) and pray that Elisabeth doesn't rakukaja on 2nd turn and/or tarunda on 3rd before entering 2nd phase on top of Fuuka charge/focus instead of heatrise the already heatrisen protag. At least with DLCs you can skip 2 of her action RNGs.
@@rwgarchia5187 random in what effect it will do between buff or fully charge. For healing it seems to proc more the more you are actually hurt/have low SP. But I’ve only ever had the healing trigger if my HP was low.
Trying to copy this might be the most miserable thing I've ever attempted in any game. I've only succeeded at doing the 7k damage crit once ever. Most of the time, it hits for like 4-5k. Even tried lowering the difficulty to see if that would help.
Elizabeth uses Diarahn first time when her HP is below 10000. 2nd time is when her HP is below 7000, but then she uses 9999 Megidolaon every turn. So you might be able to get a counter to bring her HP below 7000 so she doesn’t do a second Diarahn. This way, you could finish her with a Therugy that ISN’T Armageddon.
You can use any persona technically. However I chose pixie cuz of the mirror swag and also because its one of the personas with the lowest stats. This means reflect damage is also higher? (not too sure of this tho since I didn't test with other personas) Maybe someone in here knows.
@@JiggehFly does it? Could be wrong but I always thought the damage calculation would be done with the recipients endurance. So Elizabeths attack vs her endurance but I have never thought about it. I'll do some testing later on
@@JiggehFly it goes off Elizabeth’s stats I’m pretty sure because she takes more damage from the reflect in higher difficulties. It’s 600-800 in normal and I know it’s around 1k-1.2k damage In merciless. Not sure about hard.
RNGsus has abandoned me, it seems. I just cannot clear that 7k minimum on the first turn. My Cendrillon is maxed out and everything. 40 attempts now and I only cleared 7k 3 times. Of those two, Fuuka didn't charge and on the other my gauge didn't fill up completely. What a mess.
hope this gets show nto more people i went to challenge elizabeth without prior knowledge and essentially went frick this and left as much as i love p3 this boss is pretty bs due to the fact that you have to follow rules and idc if she has 20k health or a 9999 megidlaon i just want to fight her on fair terms
You can actually cheese her easier. Merciless runs you make a goemon and use king and i when she is on surt. Should do between 8-9k. Then you just reflect as normal and Armageddon
How did you make the pixie? I tried to fuse for her, but she only has one skill inheritance slot. Did you use skill cards? I can't find any record online on how to get the repel skill cards
You can get the repel skill cards for strike, slash and pierce from shuffle time Swords. You'll need to activate arcana burst to unlock the higher tier skill cards. Also, these skill cards are only obtainable from the last block of Tartarus in the true ending route. For the complete list of skills you can also look up the complete list made by aqiu384 on github.
My Scarlet Havoc is only doing like 6150 damage with crit. my cendrillon is max strength, so im confused why its not doing 7k+, but does is matter that it has extra stats due to equipped armor, cause im using lucifers blade which is +7 and a charm that is +3 which means the actualy St is about 90 not 99
You should be able to hit 7k+ with the same build and max stats. Probably just not hitting those high rolls on SH. As far as I know the extra stats past 99 don't matter unlike in persona 5. In my experience I remember that I tried testing with mitsuru and koromaru agility and bonus stats but protag still moved first with no bonus stats and all are at 99 agi.
You know what's really funny. I just defeated her by clutching an extra crit after the first one didn't deal enough damage. I just spoke a little too soon. However, thank you for the guide & the fast response, I really appreciate it.@@JiggehFly
Its from shuffle time swords. You need arcana burst and shuffle time from shadows on floor 250+. This can also only be done on the final day of the true ending route if i'm not mistaken.
Yep, any persona can fill in for Pixie here. Turn 3, you want to use Rakunda (use the persona skill, don't use items to debuff defense) since this will allow you to have full theurgy to Armageddon on turn 4.
does this work on hard the same way, or does it fuck it up due to her dealing less dmg with the repel, or is it the same because we also deal more dmg?
Hmm haven't tried on hard but should be more or less the same. Definitely easier to do the first check for 7k+ damage. Just make sure you end phase 2 with reflect to skip
I'll be honest, I had around 6 hours of footage total (wasn't counting the number of attempts) until I finally got the run. It's all about luck tho so yeah just pray the stars align if you wanna attempt this
@@JiggehFly I know but if you can beat her in 4 turns can you beat her in two with full party. Everyone with endure and enduring soul? For example if you skip first phase with scarlet havoc does she cast rakunda and charge or goes straight for megidoloan?
@@pawep2966 Yeah, even if you did that she will still always cast Rakunda and mind charge before using her first megidolaon. Remember, this only happens in phase 2 above 10k HP. If you knock her down to below 10k on turn one with damage then you won't get to do the diarahan skip. So basically if you want this done faster you're probably going to have to 1 shot her.
Never mind, I just learned getting a Crit charges theogony faster and I just beat her .... Well this is awkward (I'm not doing this strat specific, but I did do the phase 3 skip)
A lot of people have had the same issue, just keep trying, its definitely possible. Probably one of the hardest checks to clear if you're trying to do this
Sorry first few seconds in but I gotta ask: Are you Filipino? Secondly that’s freakin’ wild amazing run! FINISH HER. 🎉🎉. Bro came in his pajamas and ATE 😂😂
All the skills in these builds have skill cards for them if I'm not mistaken. Only the driver skills (slash and strike driver) are inherent to Cendrillon and Johanna.
I think she was still pretty decent challenge if you aren't familiar with the boss fight yet. Pretty sure majority of people who aren't probably had to look up a guide to defeat her. Once you know the mechanics and attack pattern the fight becomes way more manageable.
Okay so yes but no. I like that they dumbed her down a bit because the original required way more prep because of how bad random fusion results are and that she wouldn’t even let you block status ailments in the original. I fused an Orpheus Telos for 8 hours to get the skills I wanted, and because skill cards weren’t a thing, I blocked rage. Only thing I nulled. Got instantly megidolaoned. I said fuck this I’m not spending another 8 hours fusing this and moves on to other games. So I’m finally glad I got to actually pseudo beat her in this version of the game. The QOL and being able to block status ailments is a blessing. I like a boss to be hard but not annoyingly so like P3 Elizabeth was.
@@InfinityZeroEXDemi-Fiend may be more annoying on DDS and SMTV but at least you can manage which skills to choose. Not sure about Imagine though. (There's a Demi-Fiend boss fight in SMT imagine.)
@@ryanp7546 all SMT bosses are annoying, but for the most part they are still more fair then Elizabeth because they don’t restrict your access to your full party. The only annoying thing about them usually are how spongey the bosses are while having RNG moments in the fight. I beat all of SMTV and Devil Survivor. I’ve played SMTIV but never beat it. Been meaning to get around to it, but my 3DS that I’ve had for awhile no longer holds a charge.
@@ryanp7546 all SMT bosses are annoying, but for the most part they are still more fair then Elizabeth because they don’t restrict your access to your full party. The only annoying thing about them usually are how spongey the bosses are while having RNG moments in the fight. I beat all of SMTV and Devil Survivor. I’ve played SMTIV but never beat it. Been meaning to get around to it, but my 3DS that I’ve had for awhile no longer holds a charge.
@@JiggehFly Thanks! I have been stuck in that part for quite a while because either I enter her third phase or I try not to and not get close to 10,000.
Nope. You can do this in a NG playthrough. You just have to keep doing her requests. She'll eventually ask you to defeat the reaper and after that she'll challenge you herself.
Pretty much same as the builds I've shown if you're using DLC. Without DLC will just take an additional turn because of significantly less damage. Also depends on the difficulty. Fastest ive seen: Peaceful - 2 turns, 1hit kill (Rakunda Scarlet Havoc) Merciless - 4 turns with DLC and 5 without.
Since Elizabeth has 20k total HP, Armageddon won't be enough to take her down from the get go. Also if you do Armageddon and she survives, she'll start spamming diarahan to flex on you and kill you with Megidolaon.
![Joker and Best Girl vs. Lavenza [Merciless - Perfect Showtime End]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/8saaPOJSoXQ/mqdefault.jpg)
![Persona 3 Reload: The Reaper Level 16/Single Persona/No NG+ (Merciless) [No DLC]](/img/n.gif)
I only beat her on hard and I already knew this was going to require an insane amount of rngsus' blessings to be possible.
Probs to you man.
seeing the armageddon, I was genuinely like "EXCUSE ME?!"
Armageddon is the finisher move obviously 😂
Based be the maid Fuuka to bless us with charge.
it feels so good using armegaddeon on her. Elizabeth: I bring you megedolan
Protag: I bring you ARMEGADDION
for anyone who had trouble with doing this in 4 turns like I did. I had to do a crit vorpal blade attack between Cendrillion and Johanna, then everything else was the same. overall great guide helped me with my merciless run, thanks
I love Pixie counterpart 😂 will try this on NG+
I love how the pixie is only lv 2
After trying every different ways I finally beat her because of this video 🎉 thank you
This is insane lmao
Kinda reminds of Lavenza solo strat people came up with.
Holy this is insane man, I'll do this as well
May the RNG gods be with you my friend.
Yeah I was about to ask how to make the first hit do 7000+ dmg, i have the same build and weapon but I'm only reaching 6500 or 6600 damage@@JiggehFly
@@tuviaso it's definitely possible with this build. 7-7.1k is the very upper limit of damage for a maxed out Cendrillon from what I experienced. Just gotta prayge harder and keep resetting.
Yeah it worked eventually, thank you! @@JiggehFly
This boss was so stupid when i didnt understand and just continually got megidolon spamed because i didnt know the null penalty until I figured it out from sheer force.
Authentic p3r experience right there haha
I love how you cut the action and narrated. Keep going with the content man!
Thank you. That means a lot ♥️
I did the peaceful candrillion trick where you one shot her lol
but this is really cool using pixie to break the rules and stop her from healing
Where did you get crit rate amp for cindrillion i can’t seem to get it to drop
@@reinokuma Sigfried gets it at level 57, I think I did some persona fusions to get it on the character but i dont really remember this was like 6 months ago
You cant get crit rate amp from a skill card drop, ur wasting ur time
@@insertnamehere2022 crap fusions i already have cindrillion at max 99 on everything that’s why I was trying to find a skill card because I don’t want to lose all my levels
@@reinokuma oof rip, you shouldve looked up a tutorial first before committing. 😔✊
Seems inconsistent if Fuuka has to charge Scarlet Havoc. It is interesting to know you can beat her in 4 turns.
The whole thing pretty much relies on RNG. Need to hit upper limit for damage values while critting. Also, Fuuka ruined probably a quarter of my attempts xD
Even if you do 7 turns kill without DLCs, you still need to mid-highroll crit SH (and highroll crit Akasha if you go for 6 turns kill) and pray that Elisabeth doesn't rakukaja on 2nd turn and/or tarunda on 3rd before entering 2nd phase on top of Fuuka charge/focus instead of heatrise the already heatrisen protag. At least with DLCs you can skip 2 of her action RNGs.
fuuka theurgy is random right?
@@rwgarchia5187 random in what effect it will do between buff or fully charge. For healing it seems to proc more the more you are actually hurt/have low SP. But I’ve only ever had the healing trigger if my HP was low.
@@InfinityZeroEX I see 👀. how long did it take you to max out personas stats?
marvelous.
Magnificent.
I did it Hell yeah I Thank you for the guide took 2 full hours and the last one I had to use on brave blade on turn two and 🙏 I made to the end.
Goood run. OP analysis
Not the megidolaon pixie
i find it funny how elizabeths strike attacks are just her hitting you with her book
When?
Trying to copy this might be the most miserable thing I've ever attempted in any game. I've only succeeded at doing the 7k damage crit once ever. Most of the time, it hits for like 4-5k. Even tried lowering the difficulty to see if that would help.
Elizabeth uses Diarahn first time when her HP is below 10000. 2nd time is when her HP is below 7000, but then she uses 9999 Megidolaon every turn. So you might be able to get a counter to bring her HP below 7000 so she doesn’t do a second Diarahn. This way, you could finish her with a Therugy that ISN’T Armageddon.
Ever time I do this method on hard I am 227 damage left over on her after Armageddon nuke
Damn, fantastic stuff! Does it have to be Pixie that breaks the rules or just any persona with drain/repel & endure?
You can use any persona technically. However I chose pixie cuz of the mirror swag and also because its one of the personas with the lowest stats. This means reflect damage is also higher? (not too sure of this tho since I didn't test with other personas) Maybe someone in here knows.
@@JiggehFly does it? Could be wrong but I always thought the damage calculation would be done with the recipients endurance. So Elizabeths attack vs her endurance but I have never thought about it. I'll do some testing later on
@@JiggehFly it goes off Elizabeth’s stats I’m pretty sure because she takes more damage from the reflect in higher difficulties. It’s 600-800 in normal and I know it’s around 1k-1.2k damage In merciless. Not sure about hard.
amazing
RNGsus has abandoned me, it seems. I just cannot clear that 7k minimum on the first turn. My Cendrillon is maxed out and everything. 40 attempts now and I only cleared 7k 3 times. Of those two, Fuuka didn't charge and on the other my gauge didn't fill up completely.
What a mess.
Getting this much RNG isn't that much harder than just doing it normally with the Phase 3 skip lol.
Couldn't you get a 5th persona with the auto stat buff skills before switching to cendrian so that scarlet havoc does even more
Out of all my attempts Johnna has yet to hit a crit and it’s getting really stupid cause I have all of the crit boost skills
Any luck with this? Hope you were able to clear it
@@JiggehFly Yea I just ended up trying the peaceful strat and it seems like my Johnna only cries outside of the Lizzy fight 🤦♂️💀
Mate, indeed there are scaaaaaary ppl in this world 😅
GG
I need a fusion guide for this, or atleast a guide to get me through it normally. I can't even beat her on normal.
hope this gets show nto more people i went to challenge elizabeth without prior knowledge and essentially went frick this and left as much as i love p3 this boss is pretty bs due to the fact that you have to follow rules and idc if she has 20k health or a 9999 megidlaon i just want to fight her on fair terms
How did u get Excalibur sword ?
I believe it's from one of the locked chests in the final block of tartar sauce
@@JiggehFly thank u:)
You can actually cheese her easier. Merciless runs you make a goemon and use king and i when she is on surt. Should do between 8-9k. Then you just reflect as normal and Armageddon
How did you make the pixie? I tried to fuse for her, but she only has one skill inheritance slot. Did you use skill cards? I can't find any record online on how to get the repel skill cards
You can get the repel skill cards for strike, slash and pierce from shuffle time Swords. You'll need to activate arcana burst to unlock the higher tier skill cards. Also, these skill cards are only obtainable from the last block of Tartarus in the true ending route. For the complete list of skills you can also look up the complete list made by aqiu384 on github.
@@JiggehFly thanks!
My Scarlet Havoc is only doing like 6150 damage with crit. my cendrillon is max strength, so im confused why its not doing 7k+, but does is matter that it has extra stats due to equipped armor, cause im using lucifers blade which is +7 and a charm that is +3 which means the actualy St is about 90 not 99
You should be able to hit 7k+ with the same build and max stats. Probably just not hitting those high rolls on SH. As far as I know the extra stats past 99 don't matter unlike in persona 5. In my experience I remember that I tried testing with mitsuru and koromaru agility and bonus stats but protag still moved first with no bonus stats and all are at 99 agi.
You know what's really funny. I just defeated her by clutching an extra crit after the first one didn't deal enough damage. I just spoke a little too soon. However, thank you for the guide & the fast response, I really appreciate it.@@JiggehFly
You need to max magic cuz magic and strength increases Theurgy damage
You could use a attack mirror and a diff persona, could you? Just to save some time when fusing, or was rakunda required for damage treshold?
I’d like to know how you got Diamond Dust on Goemon? I’ve been trying to get it on my goemon but waste 6 hours trying to figure it out.
How do we give Johanna enduring soul?
Any advice for fusing the persons you used? Like getting the exact abilities in particular
I'd recommend using the fusion calculator for it. Google it, it would help TONS.
Hang on i thought if you have any null, absorb or reflect on your personas that you break her ruleset and she instant kills you
Having the skill/inmate itself isn't illegal, it's only when you nullify any of her damage
Damn thats nuts, well executed
Okay, many dumb questions: would you all say this is doable on normal mode? Can I bring my other units?
Does it matter if I use any other Persona than Cendrillon?
Ahh I see now it's with DLC I did not read it correctly
Yeah it has to be Cendrillon cause she's the only one that gets the Slash Driver skill
How do I get enduring soul skill card
Its from shuffle time swords. You need arcana burst and shuffle time from shadows on floor 250+. This can also only be done on the final day of the true ending route if i'm not mistaken.
So, I can just change Pixie to any persona with Repel Strike & Endure right? and on turn 3, I can just use any skills that are not Armageddon?
Yep, any persona can fill in for Pixie here. Turn 3, you want to use Rakunda (use the persona skill, don't use items to debuff defense) since this will allow you to have full theurgy to Armageddon on turn 4.
good job
Thank you. :)
does this work on hard the same way, or does it fuck it up due to her dealing less dmg with the repel, or is it the same because we also deal more dmg?
Hmm haven't tried on hard but should be more or less the same. Definitely easier to do the first check for 7k+ damage. Just make sure you end phase 2 with reflect to skip
is there a way to hit 7k damage with theurgy i only hit 6,4 k thanks
Yeah. Keep resetting hahaa
you broke the rule and won. there should have been a special dialogue for that :/
How hard is this to pull off? Did it require a lot of resets to get the right RNG?
I'll be honest, I had around 6 hours of footage total (wasn't counting the number of attempts) until I finally got the run. It's all about luck tho so yeah just pray the stars align if you wanna attempt this
Why my theurge is not max, i follow yogur guide step by step but after i reflect God Hand the bar is not at max
Did you go to the Fortune teller to get the soul fortune?
@gattai2536 As @luameduardo9611 mentioned you need the soul fortune for this to work. Also it's shown in the video @ 0:55
Can you beat Elizabeth with full party or she just opens up with megidolaon?
Nah, she straight up says you have to do it solo.
@@JiggehFly I know but if you can beat her in 4 turns can you beat her in two with full party. Everyone with endure and enduring soul? For example if you skip first phase with scarlet havoc does she cast rakunda and charge or goes straight for megidoloan?
@@pawep2966 Yeah, even if you did that she will still always cast Rakunda and mind charge before using her first megidolaon. Remember, this only happens in phase 2 above 10k HP. If you knock her down to below 10k on turn one with damage then you won't get to do the diarahan skip. So basically if you want this done faster you're probably going to have to 1 shot her.
Wait why does she punish you for using theurgies??? Its on the rules u can use them
She only punishes you for using Armageddon if you use it and she survives
@@JiggehFly that's not the only way she punishes you
megidolaon lv2 pixie just for the meme yeah? ehheheheheh
Is this patched? I did all the steps and I was one term short on the theory (my lat attack wasn't a Crit but she was still Belo half hp)
Never mind, I just learned getting a Crit charges theogony faster and I just beat her .... Well this is awkward (I'm not doing this strat specific, but I did do the phase 3 skip)
Glad it all worked out for you, L.
Can you only do this on merciless?
Bit late but no its easier on lower difficulties since you do more damege
Naw, how tf fid your SH crit for 7k+. I must have ran this 50 times and never got it.
A lot of people have had the same issue, just keep trying, its definitely possible. Probably one of the hardest checks to clear if you're trying to do this
Sorry first few seconds in but I gotta ask: Are you Filipino?
Secondly that’s freakin’ wild amazing run! FINISH HER. 🎉🎉. Bro came in his pajamas and ATE 😂😂
Haha there have been a few comments asking this already and it's always the fellows that catch my accent 😂
Guide for fusing them? Or was it all skill cards?
All the skills in these builds have skill cards for them if I'm not mistaken. Only the driver skills (slash and strike driver) are inherent to Cendrillon and Johanna.
Am i the only one who's sad that Elizabeth isn't this massive impossible boss anymore? Like, Persona 3 OG Elizabeth was nuts
I think she was still pretty decent challenge if you aren't familiar with the boss fight yet. Pretty sure majority of people who aren't probably had to look up a guide to defeat her. Once you know the mechanics and attack pattern the fight becomes way more manageable.
Okay so yes but no. I like that they dumbed her down a bit because the original required way more prep because of how bad random fusion results are and that she wouldn’t even let you block status ailments in the original. I fused an Orpheus Telos for 8 hours to get the skills I wanted, and because skill cards weren’t a thing, I blocked rage. Only thing I nulled. Got instantly megidolaoned. I said fuck this I’m not spending another 8 hours fusing this and moves on to other games. So I’m finally glad I got to actually pseudo beat her in this version of the game. The QOL and being able to block status ailments is a blessing. I like a boss to be hard but not annoyingly so like P3 Elizabeth was.
@@InfinityZeroEXDemi-Fiend may be more annoying on DDS and SMTV but at least you can manage which skills to choose. Not sure about Imagine though. (There's a Demi-Fiend boss fight in SMT imagine.)
@@ryanp7546 all SMT bosses are annoying, but for the most part they are still more fair then Elizabeth because they don’t restrict your access to your full party. The only annoying thing about them usually are how spongey the bosses are while having RNG moments in the fight. I beat all of SMTV and Devil Survivor. I’ve played SMTIV but never beat it. Been meaning to get around to it, but my 3DS that I’ve had for awhile no longer holds a charge.
@@ryanp7546 all SMT bosses are annoying, but for the most part they are still more fair then Elizabeth because they don’t restrict your access to your full party. The only annoying thing about them usually are how spongey the bosses are while having RNG moments in the fight. I beat all of SMTV and Devil Survivor. I’ve played SMTIV but never beat it. Been meaning to get around to it, but my 3DS that I’ve had for awhile no longer holds a charge.
Wait when she is going to use thor to hit with the charge attack and you reflect that….she skips the diarahan for that turn?
Yeah, when she uses God's hand.
@@JiggehFly Thanks! I have been stuck in that part for quite a while because either I enter her third phase or I try not to and not get close to 10,000.
@@JiggehFly Thank you so much! I finally defeated her! It took me like a month T-T.
Do you have to be in ng+ to challenge her?
Nope. You can do this in a NG playthrough. You just have to keep doing her requests. She'll eventually ask you to defeat the reaper and after that she'll challenge you herself.
@@JiggehFlyah ok ty,w pfp btw
can you share save file for pc?
Sure. How do I send it to you though?
So what is the fastest and most reliable strategy and persona combo to beat her?
Pretty much same as the builds I've shown if you're using DLC.
Without DLC will just take an additional turn because of significantly less damage. Also depends on the difficulty. Fastest ive seen:
Peaceful - 2 turns, 1hit kill (Rakunda Scarlet Havoc)
Merciless - 4 turns with DLC and 5 without.
But what strategy is most reliable 6 turn or 7 turn kill strategy?
neat
Filipino?
I never faced her but would Armagedón defeat her quicker? Since it does like 9999 from what I seen.
Since Elizabeth has 20k total HP, Armageddon won't be enough to take her down from the get go. Also if you do Armageddon and she survives, she'll start spamming diarahan to flex on you and kill you with Megidolaon.
Actually rethinking this after every Armagadden you would need to have a full heal for SP and HP. So, it wouldn't work
@@JiggehFly Oh geez thanks for letting me know
No problem. Good luck with your boss battle :D
Pinoy
halata@@JiggehFly
Door-kun: My pixie just pixied your pixie.