Reminder that you don't have to beat the fight the exact way I did! As long as you know the rules, there are a lot of ways to beat Elizabeth, even if you go into Phase 3. I just like completing the fight quickly lol
@@davidwatson1217 fusionned persona lvl is based on recipient persona level. take lower level masakado + thor, and u ll have a lower level Star persona (saturnus) or replace Thor by a lower level Chariot persona (Koumokouten should do it)
Breaking her rules to do some damage and prevent the boss from healing was genius. It reminds me of a strat in P5R where you can solo Lavenza by intentionally using a Persona weak to Psi and Nuke to keep her distracted.
@@17-juliansantosa37he has Satan equipped with a reflect strike. One of Elizabeth’s rules is that you are not allowed to reflect any of her attacks or she automatically goes into Megidolan. By breaking her rule, he prevents her from healing which gives him the chance to finish her with Armageddon.
I think another useful tip is to scan Liz as many times as you can to further increase Fuuka’s Theurgy Gauge. Not completely necessary, but it did help me on a few attempts
*yawn* Megidolaon something something... All jokes aside really great video! Not just from the builds and the fight but how you explained everything as it happened and why. Super clear and a great guide! I dont think anyone should have trouble following this. Hopefully this means a lot more people will be able to beat her now!
I FINALLY BEAT ELIZABETH WITH YOUR GUIDANCE, AFTER SEVERAL TRIES, AFTER RELOAD/LOAD THE OLD SAVING BECAUSE OF FUSION MISTAKE. I FINALLY DID IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. Although I played with hard mode, mistakenly with yours with MERCILESS and damage differences. I finally did it! You gave me hope. I'm one step away from leaving this game for good if I don't beat Elizabeth. Nyx got no chance vs Elizabeth. ONCE AGAIN THANK YOU. One of my dreams coming true. O I I A E O I I A E
Thank you so much man. I didn't realize this was for Merciless, so I ended up over-prepping for Normal difficulty, but your explanations and so on really helped me manage it. Amazing boss fight, and thanks to you, enjoyable as well!
I didn't grind to the specified levels in your guide so I had to adjust accordingly to certain parts of the fight but YOUR GUIDE WAS GREAT. Huge thanks for helping me clear this boss. Subbed and liked.
Hey, just a tip for you guys who are playing on hard mode: if you don't have any shock personas and you're going to use Skadi to deal damage in the first phase, try removing Ice Boost instead of Ice Amp. It'll deal around 6k damage against her fire persona. This little extra damage was what finally helped me defeat her. Skadi with only Ice Boost didn't deal enough damage, so Elizabeth always survived my Armageddon in the end. Hope it helps. Great video, thanks for the guide!
@@Holy_Crusaderthis is likely because this is for hard mode, where you deal more damage(presumably, I’ve only played on merciless). Because of this, having ice boost and ice amp can lead to you to deal too much damage and skip to phase 3 where she heals. Using just ice amp for this Skadi strategy on hard will be able to land in the range of enough damage without doing too much damage on hard mode.
I followed a similar style as far as the elements and workings go with the following personas and got it done. HUGE THANK YOU FOR THIS! After multiple instances of her using double megidoloan..... Scathach - Persona I have the auto skills on. Messiah - Support Persona with Concentrate, Heat Riser, Debilitate, and Charge. Satan - Ice Build Odin - Lightning Build (couldn't use Thunder Reign otherwise she would heal back to normal, but Maziodyne did the work funny enough). Lucifer - Almighty Build with Morning Star and Endure. Asura - Mainly for the final moment (added repel strike to make it work) and has Enduring Soul.
So I made a big mistake when following this guide…it doesn’t really work when you fight her in lower difficulties because you do too much or too little damage so you end up skipping phases and not being able to charge your theurgy on time. That being said I ended up beating her thanks to the builds and ended up making my own path to victory. Thanks for this!!
I beat this on Merciless exactly as the video said to, beat for beat, without using incense on recommended Personas and just getting them to level 99. Except Satan, because I did an almighty build of him with amp, boost and max magic stat, maybe making up for any lost damage. I also only needed to hold an accessory with Enduring Soul and Sid's Jacket for Endure. Great tips, but overkill. Knowing this channel, hey, I get it; big number makes for bigger satisfaction. :) Satan -Black Viper (Learned and unique to only Satan) -Morning Star (Inherit from Helel) -Almighty Amp (Inherit. Mutation, easily achieved from passing Almighty Boost amongst cheap Personas repeatedly) -Almighty Boost (Inherit from Helel) -Single-Target Boost (Card) -Multi-Target Boost (Card) -Spell Master (Card or inherit) - Free Space (Repel Strike for boss fight, otherwise Enduring Soul, Victory Cry, Insta-Heal, or keep Repel Wind from movepool) Make a vid of this build if you want, it's the best vanilla Almighty build and the info should be spread.
Thanks for the comment and yes aha, some tips are a bit overkill. Using incenses just meant that every player's damage if they attempted this would be roughly the same (stats after fusion can be slightly different depending on growth RNG). And they wouldn't need Almighty Amp, which takes a bit of RNG to get. Armor of Light/Divine Pillar definitely aren't required either, as you said the Enduring Soul/Endure equips work fine. Armor of Light/Divine Pillar could be slightly more useful if someone is trying to do the whole fight without heal skip
@@feliperojas9567 You absolutely can, but choosing Satan for Black Viper alongside Morning Star lets you have the most versatile vanilla Almighty build. Since I made this comment, I realized the best way to build this is have my previously mentioned 'free-space' be shift boost and wear the Hallowed Boots for it's Shift Amp ability. On all my other builds I cap off with shift boost using this setup. You don't need Ali Dance once you get omnipotent orb, so shoes of light is better for most party members instead. Anyways I get it, Satan is an ugly persona, but it is the most optimal. Unless you have DLC, Rebellion Blade from Loki A outshines Black Viper if its downed requirement is met... I think. I don't have DLC so I can't confirm.
@bainz Update I realized that resist physical meant resistance to pierce, strike, and slash. Wish they were more specific about it because when I looked it up others were saying different things also had to do something a bit different with saki because dlc. But I finally beat her last night!!!! After preparation for 1 day and 8 hours I finally did it and this strategy helped lots so thanks dude!! Even though you were doing a little bit more damage then me I couldn’t get her down enough at first she would survive Armageddon with a little bit of health. So sense my lighting persona wasn’t strong enough I had to wait a little bit and use debilitate on her an extra time which helped me dodge her Masakado megadolan and then I concentrated and heat rise myself an extra time so I could do almost 4k damage with Skadi diamond dust. Doing that got me into the second phase and helped me also do enough so Satan strategy could finish her off!!!! I regret waiting to do it right before the answer lol but I did it just in time!!
Very detailed and excellent guide that actually works! My only suggestion is that if you don’t want to go through the hassle of leveling Saki Mitama, Thanatos works fine as a replacement.
Tysm for the guide! I was struggling with she because i was in normal difficult and I dealt 10k damage and automaticallh enter phase 2, i put the game on hard and remove ice boost from skadi and I did 6k, then i since i didnt have a thunder persona, i just wait for her to get the fire persona she use at the beginning and deal damage with diamond dust around 2K then i just did what you did onthe video and everything works perfectly :D
Thanks man, I needed to defeat Liz in order to finally beat this game I forgot to finish fortune arcana, but managed using the calculator and this is a hint to players that want to try this challenge, it's the best instrument to build "meta personas" To get Charge/Concentrate in shuffle time, you can defeat normal shadows by hitting their weakness on floors 227 onwards (237 had more odds to me) I played on hard and had some difficulty in Odin part so I used Inferno with my Saturnus (fire boost and amp), this way I could deal the same dmg amount as yours (3500) to not trigger any involuntary event
And for those who want the battle's script, this is what happened to me (hard): Begin fight with Pixie Debilitate with Saki Liz will cast Inferno (13 dmg) > Slash Attack (7 dmg) Change to Skadi (Angelical Grace in place of Ice Amp) > Cast King and I (5264 dmg) Liz will cast Thunder Reign (36 dmg + shock) > Strike Attack (8 dmg) Use Fuuka Theurgy (charge + cooncentrate) > Change to Saki > Cast Heat Riser Liz will cast Sukukaja + Primal Force (36 dmg) Change to Saturnus > Cast Inferno (3500 dmg, maybe a little less) Liz will cast Rakunda + Concetrate Change to Satan > Debilitate Liz through items Liz will cast Megidolaon (Hit Kill) + Charge Cast Black Viper (780 dmg) Liz will cast God's Hand (Repel it with 1093 dmg) + Tarukaja + Megidolaon (Hit Kill) Cast Armageddon Note: with angelical grace you'll may be able to evade most of her attacks, taking no damage Note²: I put almighty amp on my Satan (relevant only for last but one attack) Note³: you can deal more or less damage (it's RNG), but if the value diverges a lot from mine, just restart the battle or try to do the sufficient dmg on next attack Good luck for everyone (^人^)
Some tips for this bossfight if you happen to use this video as a guide and you happen to read this comment and happen to be struggling: 1: When you get the “Charge/Focus” card from Shuffle Time, you can’t go back to the lobby of Tartarus because it will reset and you’ll have to get another one. 2: For the King and I attack, don’t forget to switch to your ice persona. I was wondering why I wasn’t doing the same damage and this is why. 3: Right before the first megidolaon, don’t use Debilitate or a Debilitating Sutra as this lowers her attack as well as defense so Elizabeth wont do enough damage to herself to make the plan work, just stick with the Atrophying Sutra. 4: It’s still important to keep track of how much damage you’ve done to Elizabeth with a calculator. In one of my attempts, I used Black Viper and it did enough damage to accidentally send her into phase 3. Good luck, you’ll need it!
I did it in the worst way possible lmao. I played in peaceful, with orpheus for buffing, lucifer when she was going to use a movement where orpheus was weak, masakado for dmg (Slash boost+amp+apt pupil+the other one that increases crit+single target boost). I died like 10 times due to rng (she froze me, shocked me, etc. And i had lets say immunity to just the next attack lmao) Other 10 times due to my stupidity (blocked her attack when i knew that attacks was coming lmao). Now i downloaded the game again to do it in hard but i forgot to hang out with her lmaaaoooooo
I finally maxed all of my social links. I’m leveling up metatron and shiva to get their gems and then I’ll fuse your Saki mitama build and fuse my wind/ice focused Orpheus telos build. After that I’ll go fight Elizabeth on camera.
Update: I screwed up and forgot to buy the incenses. I ended up losing with my ice/wind build as it was just highly unviable. I decided to go a different route, instead of the Ice/Wind build on Orpheus telos, I decided to go with an almighty build with Orpheus telos, run the saki mitama build for buffing and debuffing. I decided I’m going to use Odin to hit the electric weakness for extra damage and use almighty damage on Orpheus telos on other turns until the electric weakness can be targeted again. Strategy is as follows: Phase 1: Debuff Elizabeth, buff MC until the electric weakness is exposed, after I hit the weakness then spam morning stars until Masakado comes out to play, after that repeat the beginning pattern of debuffs and buffs until said weakness is revealed. If you haven’t used Fuukas theurgy yet then save it for Phase 2. Same goes for trickster. Phase 2: When this phase starts use Fuukas theurgy and hope she cast’s concentrate. If it does then use an atrophying sutra or a debilitating sutra and unleash trickster after the first instakill megidoloan for big damage. Then cast concentrate and use morning star to get to phase 3. If she doesn’t cast concentrate then just use trickster immediately. After the instakill megidoloan just spam morning stars until you get to phase 3. Phase 3: Use the same strategy as phase 1 but due to her using 2 personas per turn, just keep buffing and debuffing until one of her turns ends on Cu Chulainn and strike the electric weakness and just spam the everliving fuck out of morning stars and if Fuuka casts concentrate use trickster. Keep this up until the fight is over. This hasn’t been tested yet, this is just my plan of attack. I will give this a try tomorrow. I’ll report back once I do. Edit: I forgot to Mention that I grabbed a concentrate buff from a cups card to start the fight with concentrate.
hey man, just wanted to stop by and say that i did it! took about 5-6 tries because some weird stuff was happening with the dmg i was doing... if I used Skadi, I was somehow dealing like 10k dmg with King and I lmao. It was throwing the whole fight off, but i have no idea how i was doing that much dmg on normal diff. Same MC level, 99 Skadi, 99 mag and str, etc. Luckily I was able to try using Gabriel for King and I instead, which just barely didn't do enough dmg to prematurely go into the next phase. But somehow the extra dmg I was doing was throwing the fight off by like a turn. However, I used Fuuka's scan ability every turn so that I could get her theurgy again during the fight, boosted myself. Used 'Black Viper' on *both* turns with Satan which put Liz below the threshold. After her second Megidolaon, then I was able to use Armageddon and won the fight :) cheers man, thanks again and great videos. I hope you enjoy Metaphor Refantazio if plan on playing it
my worst nightmare was when she said "i bring you megidolaon" and now i have no more worries excellent guide 9999/10 (get it? cuz megidolaon? (ok i stop my jokes are trash))
I have no idea, she still keeps kicking me. I removed all my persona and only level 36 saki mitama remained. I took out my stuff and Meg is still throwing her first attacks. (instant 20k heal and 9999 damage) (without team members btw) --- i find solution,if you spend too much time in Tartarus, she still one shot you . All you have to do is come the next day.(looks like turn limet including without liz fight.)
I don’t think I have it in me to do the prep for the fight, i will try leveling up Saki Mitama, Skadi. Already got Odin at level 99. Don’t know if I have all the skill cards necessary for the fight. I’ll give it a shot and thanks for the video.
for me its even lower , i fused everything the same way he did. i guess the main difference is that his Persona's stats are maxed when it comes to Strength and Magic , mine is St 92 and Ma 78 so unless i grind hard enough for Incenses to raise them i don't know what else i can do to beat her
@bainz I’m trying to figure out how you got Skaid with resist piercing and slash automatically I fused same way still couldn’t get it and I think resist phys locked after early December
can we get a thanatos only vs elizabeth or just makoto and his main personas vs elizabeth like you did for joker vs lavenza? ik you'd cook with those either way. great video guide btw.
A problem I encounter during this fight is not getting the heal skip, which is a hell of a pain considering now this would be my 5th attempt in my 3rd playthrough. And also just the J cup card never being the right one every shuffle time I get. Granted this is on hard so I don't know if its because I do too much damage with skadi considering I have both single target and multitarget boost along with ice amp. Or that my Odin deals too much (Edit: I have both elec boost and amp on my odin, and I don't know if removing elec amp is going to help me at all in terms of damage)
Maybe try on a separate save file removing Ice Amp on Skadi (like I did during the Hard run in the vid), it may let you reach the right damage thresholds. If builds are the same as mine, it should work
And no matter how hard I try, I can never get Armageddon damage range on elizabeth no matter how much damage the gods hand does (Edit: I figured out my mistake, I forgot to put ice boost on skadi, lol)
Hey, idk if you'll see this comment. Great guide! But I was wondering if you could tell me whether I'm screwed or not. I'm playing on Normal Diff, first playthrough. I made the mistake of maxing every social link I needed EXCEPT for freaking Fortune, so I can't fuse Lakshmi. So now I have no idea how I'm supposed to get Almighty Boost on Satan or if there is any viable alternative. My only other problem is I do not have Debilitate on Saki Mitama. Can I just use Debilitating Sutra items instead? Besides no Almighty Boost or Debilitate, I can make my build exactly the same as yours. I just don't want to waste hours maxing my personas and their necessary stats if ultimately I'm still screwed anyway. The level grinding is all I have left to do. It's 1/29. I have one save from 12/28 but, honestly, I'd rather just do this on a future ng+ run instead of replay all of January. I already replayed two and a half weeks of January because I screwed up and was like 2 days short on maxing Fuuka's social link the first time... EDIT: WAIT, OMG, YOU ARE A MADLAD! I just read your description. It's going to be a pain in the ass but I'm 99% sure that I can follow your directions to still get Almighty Boost onto Satan. Ok, so then I'll be fine with using Debilitating Sutra items instead of the skill right? :)
Hey, yeah there is a fusion without Lakshmi that should work! So if you could use that, and Debilitate items should be basically the same as having the skill. One thing is using items doesn't give any Theurgy gauge but it might still be fine? If you have a Rakunda skill card, you could also just use that instead of Deb. One thing as well, you don't have to complete the fight the exact same way as the vid, going into 3rd phase can still result in a win if you follow the rules aha.
@@bainz thanks man! yeah, I wanted to follow your guide as close as possible because the moment a Persona game becomes seriously difficult is the moment I realize I don't know sheeit about how everything works under-the-hood. like, I was thinking about using Gabriel instead of Skadi (because I can get all the same abilities on Gabriel if I wanted to, and already lvl 99) but my brain is unable to compute whether the affinities on Gabriel would be problematic for this fight... I guess it would be fine because Jack Frost should get skipped if I hit Surt's weakness, but I definitely can't have Gabriel equipped for Metatron then, and Elizabeth's phase 3 personas seem random which makes it much easier to accidentally break the rules by using personas that have some null/repel/absorb
Ah, I see, yea I get what you mean, Phase 3 can be a bit more random in when Liz uses Personas. Then yea you could try the fusions I used, let me know if it works out! It is definitely is a bit of a grind lol
@@bainz for sure. tomorrow i will finish getting Saki Mitama leveled up. i've got everything i need for the equipment and should be able to buy more than enough incense cards. but i had to go with Thor for the optional electric-type persona with Ziodyne, single-target, elec amp+boost and Regen 1-3. normally i don't like using guides but this is honestly a poorly designed fight with practically zero room for the tiniest error, just made intentionally frustrating from a development standpoint whereas every other fight and mechanic in the game is learnable i am super lucky the game is somehow letting me go to Tartarus on 1/30 with a Theurgy Fortune from the night club. normally it doesn't allow fortunes when so close to a full moon but i guess they make an exception for the very end of the game. anyway i'll let you know how it goes in a day or two
Figured it out, i used another persona with 99 magic and strenght then used king and i, for 5313 dmg, used thunder reign for 4651 dmg and reflected gods hand for 832 dmg to then finally finish her off with armageddon
Hop on the Fusion Calculator and start doing some fusion chains. Otherwise, run another NG+ cycle and make sure you do Shinji's Linked Episode. It's great anyway.
@@bainzokay, so I messed up on the fusion for enduring soul on Satan. Is it still possible if I just use the pheonix egg or is it better to use the other accessory
😂im playing on normal and my skadi always deals 9500 ish on king and i, 2 turns werent enough to charge the theurgy for armageddon. But fuuka's theurgy who restore hp and sp also increase my theurgy, so somehow i win
-Spoiler Alert / partially- Elizabeth’s eyes on first Megidolaon, she may be possessed by her “evil” shadow self. Igor is always trying to escape his “evil” shadow. Yuki becomes a resurrected shadow of himself, takes the roll of “host.” No evil shadow can defeat the “god” of shadows - yuki’s fate…IJS
How did you get refunded back so much theurgy gauge after the first theurgy? I used the soul fortune before going into Tartarus, but I’m getting that much back when I do mine.
She spams until you get her down to 9999, but in this video your basically supposed to have her already like in that 11000-10500 hp for phase 2 and when the repel strike hits that slaps her below 9999 you use armageddon
Question, can I activate enduring soul/endure multiple times if I have it on multiple persona's? Or is that just too much (Edit: how much did it cost you in terms of materials to get all the incense needed to max out the mitama's en?
@@bainz Ah, thanks dude. I thought it would've been too easy since I have enduring soul on so many persona's. And I think my attis is going to be my lucifer for the fight since it has endure and enduring soul while also have survival trick (Edit: Do you think I need to bring anything else from masakado than just debilitate?)
*BE AWARE THIS METHOD IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DO IF YOU HAVENT MAXED THE FORTUNE SOCIAL LINK* Wich was my case cause that social link seemed boring... Sadge :C
Oh, why would Fortune be needed? To fuse Satan? Lakshmi isn't required to make Satan, and also Satan isn't the only Persona you can use for that role... Regardless, there's another fusion path for Satan in the description now that doesn't use Lakshmi, that may work
Definitely not required, you just have to make up for it by maxing a few other social links and it's a bit more roundabout to fuse Odin and Satan. You also might have to use some skill cards to get certain buffs that are otherwise innate.
When I finally get to doing this fight after I max all my social links in my max links run I’ll beat Elizabeth my way. While also using this guide as a reference. My plan is to use Orpheus telos as a dual element build using diamond dust and Panta Rhei, with magic ability, Ice Amp, Wind Amp and spell master and any other skills through skill cards if necessary. Make a similar Saka mitama build to yours and make Orpheus my entrance buffer. No theragys except for Armageddon at the end as I’m not going for the fastest kill.
@@bainzyeah I just remembered that. Welp I don’t need to worry about getting that passive, opens up a skill slot to use for something else. When I do this fight I’ll record it.
I love this game but I’m not the type to smash my head or spend a long time grinding this out just to prove i cans beat this boss . I’ll just enjoy videos like this and enjoy the game. At the end of the day this seems more like for hardcore fans of the series.
i have the same build odin and he only does 1800ish with his attack instead of 3500 on hard? that main damage problem is the reason i can't kill liz with this method
@@bainz ok my bad i think i accidentally used the cup buff on something else before going in, not sure how but i reloaded an earlier save and got it back and just beat her! i was going crazy wondering why my numbers weren't matching yours. thanks man
ok i ran the fight a couple more times. sometimes fuuka will only give a heat riser with her theurgy instead of concentrate + atk, that's why the dmg output differs. if she does the wrong one you just gotta reset
Well I use Messiah orpheus telus and saki mitama and work for me but your strategy is better so excelent work if you want to see how o did it is my youtube channel
Reminder that you don't have to beat the fight the exact way I did! As long as you know the rules, there are a lot of ways to beat Elizabeth, even if you go into Phase 3. I just like completing the fight quickly lol
The guide online said "Just spam Morningstar". Why in the Hell would I pick a move that barely breaks 1k?
hi, I can't seem to do the saki fusion path, thor and masakado create hele for me. what can i do?
@@davidwatson1217 fusionned persona lvl is based on recipient persona level.
take lower level masakado + thor, and u ll have a lower level Star persona (saturnus)
or replace Thor by a lower level Chariot persona (Koumokouten should do it)
Breaking her rules to do some damage and prevent the boss from healing was genius.
It reminds me of a strat in P5R where you can solo Lavenza by intentionally using a Persona weak to Psi and Nuke to keep her distracted.
Wait how exactly he reflect to try break the rules?
@@17-juliansantosa37he has Satan equipped with a reflect strike. One of Elizabeth’s rules is that you are not allowed to reflect any of her attacks or she automatically goes into Megidolan. By breaking her rule, he prevents her from healing which gives him the chance to finish her with Armageddon.
I think another useful tip is to scan Liz as many times as you can to further increase Fuuka’s Theurgy Gauge. Not completely necessary, but it did help me on a few attempts
Yeah, that can be good to do! I just didn't do it in this vid because it didn't help me get another Fuuka Theurgy in time
*yawn* Megidolaon something something... All jokes aside really great video! Not just from the builds and the fight but how you explained everything as it happened and why. Super clear and a great guide! I dont think anyone should have trouble following this. Hopefully this means a lot more people will be able to beat her now!
I FINALLY BEAT ELIZABETH WITH YOUR GUIDANCE, AFTER SEVERAL TRIES, AFTER RELOAD/LOAD THE OLD SAVING BECAUSE OF FUSION MISTAKE. I FINALLY DID IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. Although I played with hard mode, mistakenly with yours with MERCILESS and damage differences. I finally did it! You gave me hope. I'm one step away from leaving this game for good if I don't beat Elizabeth. Nyx got no chance vs Elizabeth. ONCE AGAIN THANK YOU. One of my dreams coming true. O I I A E O I I A E
Thank you so much man. I didn't realize this was for Merciless, so I ended up over-prepping for Normal difficulty, but your explanations and so on really helped me manage it. Amazing boss fight, and thanks to you, enjoyable as well!
Glad you liked it, thanks!!
I didn't grind to the specified levels in your guide so I had to adjust accordingly to certain parts of the fight but YOUR GUIDE WAS GREAT. Huge thanks for helping me clear this boss. Subbed and liked.
Thank you for including an extra but at the end about hard mode! I’ll keep that in mind for my fight.
Hey, just a tip for you guys who are playing on hard mode: if you don't have any shock personas and you're going to use Skadi to deal damage in the first phase, try removing Ice Boost instead of Ice Amp. It'll deal around 6k damage against her fire persona. This little extra damage was what finally helped me defeat her. Skadi with only Ice Boost didn't deal enough damage, so Elizabeth always survived my Armageddon in the end. Hope it helps. Great video, thanks for the guide!
Ah, nice call! That'll be useful for anyone playing on Hard, thanks!
@@bainz removing ice boost? Wouldn’t ice boost help boost damage and stack ontop of ice amp? Why would removing it cause more damage?
@@Holy_Crusaderthis is likely because this is for hard mode, where you deal more damage(presumably, I’ve only played on merciless). Because of this, having ice boost and ice amp can lead to you to deal too much damage and skip to phase 3 where she heals. Using just ice amp for this Skadi strategy on hard will be able to land in the range of enough damage without doing too much damage on hard mode.
Note that I have experience with doing too much damage and sending her immediately into her third phase.
Just used your strategy!!! Thank you for the awesome strategy!!
Struggled a little with doing too much dmg and skipping to phase 3, but at the end, it really worked. Nice vid.
I followed a similar style as far as the elements and workings go with the following personas and got it done. HUGE THANK YOU FOR THIS! After multiple instances of her using double megidoloan.....
Scathach - Persona I have the auto skills on.
Messiah - Support Persona with Concentrate, Heat Riser, Debilitate, and Charge.
Satan - Ice Build
Odin - Lightning Build (couldn't use Thunder Reign otherwise she would heal back to normal, but Maziodyne did the work funny enough).
Lucifer - Almighty Build with Morning Star and Endure.
Asura - Mainly for the final moment (added repel strike to make it work) and has Enduring Soul.
Late to the party but truly thank you for this been struggling so much and you just made it look easy you’ve earned this sub mate
So I made a big mistake when following this guide…it doesn’t really work when you fight her in lower difficulties because you do too much or too little damage so you end up skipping phases and not being able to charge your theurgy on time.
That being said I ended up beating her thanks to the builds and ended up making my own path to victory. Thanks for this!!
Bro, you really save me. Thank you a lot for this guide!! Sorry if I wrote something bad, my english is so poor haha.
I beat this on Merciless exactly as the video said to, beat for beat, without using incense on recommended Personas and just getting them to level 99. Except Satan, because I did an almighty build of him with amp, boost and max magic stat, maybe making up for any lost damage. I also only needed to hold an accessory with Enduring Soul and Sid's Jacket for Endure. Great tips, but overkill. Knowing this channel, hey, I get it; big number makes for bigger satisfaction. :)
Satan
-Black Viper (Learned and unique to only Satan)
-Morning Star (Inherit from Helel)
-Almighty Amp (Inherit. Mutation, easily achieved from passing Almighty Boost amongst cheap Personas repeatedly)
-Almighty Boost (Inherit from Helel)
-Single-Target Boost (Card)
-Multi-Target Boost (Card)
-Spell Master (Card or inherit)
- Free Space (Repel Strike for boss fight, otherwise Enduring Soul, Victory Cry, Insta-Heal, or keep Repel Wind from movepool)
Make a vid of this build if you want, it's the best vanilla Almighty build and the info should be spread.
Thanks for the comment and yes aha, some tips are a bit overkill. Using incenses just meant that every player's damage if they attempted this would be roughly the same (stats after fusion can be slightly different depending on growth RNG). And they wouldn't need Almighty Amp, which takes a bit of RNG to get. Armor of Light/Divine Pillar definitely aren't required either, as you said the Enduring Soul/Endure equips work fine. Armor of Light/Divine Pillar could be slightly more useful if someone is trying to do the whole fight without heal skip
Hey could I also use helen or thanatos(with morning star) as an alternetive ? cuz I have them build similiar to your lucifer.
@@feliperojas9567 You absolutely can, but choosing Satan for Black Viper alongside Morning Star lets you have the most versatile vanilla Almighty build. Since I made this comment, I realized the best way to build this is have my previously mentioned 'free-space' be shift boost and wear the Hallowed Boots for it's Shift Amp ability. On all my other builds I cap off with shift boost using this setup. You don't need Ali Dance once you get omnipotent orb, so shoes of light is better for most party members instead. Anyways I get it, Satan is an ugly persona, but it is the most optimal. Unless you have DLC, Rebellion Blade from Loki A outshines Black Viper if its downed requirement is met... I think. I don't have DLC so I can't confirm.
@@rustyshackleford2672 update I beat her with your little guide :D
@@feliperojas9567 I'm glad to hear I helped :D
Soooo much easier then the FES fight. At least a lot of its charm is still here!!
@bainz Update I realized that resist physical meant resistance to pierce, strike, and slash. Wish they were more specific about it because when I looked it up others were saying different things also had to do something a bit different with saki because dlc. But I finally beat her last night!!!! After preparation for 1 day and 8 hours I finally did it and this strategy helped lots so thanks dude!! Even though you were doing a little bit more damage then me I couldn’t get her down enough at first she would survive Armageddon with a little bit of health. So sense my lighting persona wasn’t strong enough I had to wait a little bit and use debilitate on her an extra time which helped me dodge her Masakado megadolan and then I concentrated and heat rise myself an extra time so I could do almost 4k damage with Skadi diamond dust. Doing that got me into the second phase and helped me also do enough so Satan strategy could finish her off!!!! I regret waiting to do it right before the answer lol but I did it just in time!!
Saki mitama mentioned!!! 💯
Very detailed and excellent guide that actually works! My only suggestion is that if you don’t want to go through the hassle of leveling Saki Mitama, Thanatos works fine as a replacement.
Dropping my thanks to you for making this guide! Makes the fight less bullshit!
Tysm for the guide! I was struggling with she because i was in normal difficult and I dealt 10k damage and automaticallh enter phase 2, i put the game on hard and remove ice boost from skadi and I did 6k, then i since i didnt have a thunder persona, i just wait for her to get the fire persona she use at the beginning and deal damage with diamond dust around 2K then i just did what you did onthe video and everything works perfectly :D
Tried this strat and Liz still kills me over and over. Thanks for putting it up man, you rock! This fight sucks!
Best guide for this on YT. thank you much 😎😎😎
Thanks for the video! It worked out great!
Awesome vid, it helped so much!
Thanks man, I needed to defeat Liz in order to finally beat this game
I forgot to finish fortune arcana, but managed using the calculator and this is a hint to players that want to try this challenge, it's the best instrument to build "meta personas"
To get Charge/Concentrate in shuffle time, you can defeat normal shadows by hitting their weakness on floors 227 onwards (237 had more odds to me)
I played on hard and had some difficulty in Odin part so I used Inferno with my Saturnus (fire boost and amp), this way I could deal the same dmg amount as yours (3500) to not trigger any involuntary event
And for those who want the battle's script, this is what happened to me (hard):
Begin fight with Pixie
Debilitate with Saki
Liz will cast Inferno (13 dmg) > Slash Attack (7 dmg)
Change to Skadi (Angelical Grace in place of Ice Amp) > Cast King and I (5264 dmg)
Liz will cast Thunder Reign (36 dmg + shock) > Strike Attack (8 dmg)
Use Fuuka Theurgy (charge + cooncentrate) > Change to Saki > Cast Heat Riser
Liz will cast Sukukaja + Primal Force (36 dmg)
Change to Saturnus > Cast Inferno (3500 dmg, maybe a little less)
Liz will cast Rakunda + Concetrate
Change to Satan > Debilitate Liz through items
Liz will cast Megidolaon (Hit Kill) + Charge
Cast Black Viper (780 dmg)
Liz will cast God's Hand (Repel it with 1093 dmg) + Tarukaja + Megidolaon (Hit Kill)
Cast Armageddon
Note: with angelical grace you'll may be able to evade most of her attacks, taking no damage
Note²: I put almighty amp on my Satan (relevant only for last but one attack)
Note³: you can deal more or less damage (it's RNG), but if the value diverges a lot from mine, just restart the battle or try to do the sufficient dmg on next attack
Good luck for everyone (^人^)
Thank you very much
thank you
Some tips for this bossfight if you happen to use this video as a guide and you happen to read this comment and happen to be struggling:
1: When you get the “Charge/Focus” card from Shuffle Time, you can’t go back to the lobby of Tartarus because it will reset and you’ll have to get another one.
2: For the King and I attack, don’t forget to switch to your ice persona. I was wondering why I wasn’t doing the same damage and this is why.
3: Right before the first megidolaon, don’t use Debilitate or a Debilitating Sutra as this lowers her attack as well as defense so Elizabeth wont do enough damage to herself to make the plan work, just stick with the Atrophying Sutra.
4: It’s still important to keep track of how much damage you’ve done to Elizabeth with a calculator. In one of my attempts, I used Black Viper and it did enough damage to accidentally send her into phase 3.
Good luck, you’ll need it!
I did it in the worst way possible lmao. I played in peaceful, with orpheus for buffing, lucifer when she was going to use a movement where orpheus was weak, masakado for dmg (Slash boost+amp+apt pupil+the other one that increases crit+single target boost).
I died like 10 times due to rng (she froze me, shocked me, etc. And i had lets say immunity to just the next attack lmao)
Other 10 times due to my stupidity (blocked her attack when i knew that attacks was coming lmao).
Now i downloaded the game again to do it in hard but i forgot to hang out with her lmaaaoooooo
It’s okay
I finally maxed all of my social links. I’m leveling up metatron and shiva to get their gems and then I’ll fuse your Saki mitama build and fuse my wind/ice focused Orpheus telos build. After that I’ll go fight Elizabeth on camera.
Update:
I screwed up and forgot to buy the incenses. I ended up losing with my ice/wind build as it was just highly unviable. I decided to go a different route, instead of the Ice/Wind build on Orpheus telos, I decided to go with an almighty build with Orpheus telos, run the saki mitama build for buffing and debuffing. I decided I’m going to use Odin to hit the electric weakness for extra damage and use almighty damage on Orpheus telos on other turns until the electric weakness can be targeted again.
Strategy is as follows:
Phase 1:
Debuff Elizabeth, buff MC until the electric weakness is exposed, after I hit the weakness then spam morning stars until Masakado comes out to play, after that repeat the beginning pattern of debuffs and buffs until said weakness is revealed. If you haven’t used Fuukas theurgy yet then save it for Phase 2. Same goes for trickster.
Phase 2:
When this phase starts use Fuukas theurgy and hope she cast’s concentrate. If it does then use an atrophying sutra or a debilitating sutra and unleash trickster after the first instakill megidoloan for big damage. Then cast concentrate and use morning star to get to phase 3.
If she doesn’t cast concentrate then just use trickster immediately. After the instakill megidoloan just spam morning stars until you get to phase 3.
Phase 3:
Use the same strategy as phase 1 but due to her using 2 personas per turn, just keep buffing and debuffing until one of her turns ends on Cu Chulainn and strike the electric weakness and just spam the everliving fuck out of morning stars and if Fuuka casts concentrate use trickster. Keep this up until the fight is over.
This hasn’t been tested yet, this is just my plan of attack. I will give this a try tomorrow. I’ll report back once I do.
Edit: I forgot to Mention that I grabbed a concentrate buff from a cups card to start the fight with concentrate.
Soloing her is actually easier than Lavenza, since this fight doesn't require as much rng as soloing Lavenza
Because this fight is made for soloing, lavenza is not
Quick note, using attack mirror in place of reflecting damage doesnt work
hey man, just wanted to stop by and say that i did it! took about 5-6 tries because some weird stuff was happening with the dmg i was doing... if I used Skadi, I was somehow dealing like 10k dmg with King and I lmao. It was throwing the whole fight off, but i have no idea how i was doing that much dmg on normal diff. Same MC level, 99 Skadi, 99 mag and str, etc.
Luckily I was able to try using Gabriel for King and I instead, which just barely didn't do enough dmg to prematurely go into the next phase.
But somehow the extra dmg I was doing was throwing the fight off by like a turn. However, I used Fuuka's scan ability every turn so that I could get her theurgy again during the fight, boosted myself. Used 'Black Viper' on *both* turns with Satan which put Liz below the threshold. After her second Megidolaon, then I was able to use Armageddon and won the fight :)
cheers man, thanks again and great videos. I hope you enjoy Metaphor Refantazio if plan on playing it
Yooo congrats man!! The fight can definitely be annoying, but I'm glad you ended up beating it!
This also happened to me. King and I do so much dmg making Liz to heal. I just stayed with Saki instead of switching to Skadi 😂
TY
Lmao, you actually named your MC "Door".
Nice guide btw!
Damn this made it seem so easy
my worst nightmare was when she said "i bring you megidolaon" and now i have no more worries
excellent guide 9999/10 (get it? cuz megidolaon? (ok i stop my jokes are trash))
Cant make lakshmi hes the only one i didnt complete the social link with bad persona list with fusions
So satanal is a good choice he resists everything while he nals light and absorbs dark
I have no idea, she still keeps kicking me. I removed all my persona and only level 36 saki mitama remained. I took out my stuff and Meg is still throwing her first attacks. (instant 20k heal and 9999 damage) (without team members btw)
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i find solution,if you spend too much time in Tartarus, she still one shot you . All you have to do is come the next day.(looks like turn limet including without liz fight.)
That's... No? What?
i FINALLY did it
I don’t think I have it in me to do the prep for the fight, i will try leveling up Saki Mitama, Skadi. Already got Odin at level 99. Don’t know if I have all the skill cards necessary for the fight.
I’ll give it a shot and thanks for the video.
True gamers only use MOT with megidolaon for this fight
where would i be able to get the three auto skills if u dont mind me asking
For whatever reason my king and I with skadi and all of the boosts on it only does around 3k damage and not 5k. Don’t know why
for me its even lower , i fused everything the same way he did. i guess the main difference is that his Persona's stats are maxed when it comes to Strength and Magic , mine is St 92 and Ma 78
so unless i grind hard enough for Incenses to raise them i don't know what else i can do to beat her
BAINZ I BEG YOU COME BACK DROP MORE DEMON FUSION GUIDS FOR SMT 5/SMT 5V AND MY LIFE IS YOURS
I’m confused on making Saki Mitama, I run out of slots for the fusion as in only 3/4 skills can be transferred.
Dunno how to fix that
Give the fusion ingredients more learnt skills with random skill cards you don’t need
@@bainz Ahh okay, thanks a bunch! (I have not continued my 1st playthrough in merciless since Feb 26th so I’m very rusty hah)
i cant find resist phys please someone help😭🙏
I can't find it too 🤔
@@lexycoarts late but for anyone else who finds this it is on Lucifer level 96
@@lexycoartsI found out it appears in the antique shop on 12/10🙏
@@harryhumphries7985 you are my hero man, thank you! 🫶🏻
@bainz I’m trying to figure out how you got Skaid with resist piercing and slash automatically I fused same way still couldn’t get it and I think resist phys locked after early December
can we get a thanatos only vs elizabeth or just makoto and his main personas vs elizabeth like you did for joker vs lavenza? ik you'd cook with those either way. great video guide btw.
Thanks! I think I might make a vid that's similar to that idea, but with a slight twist!
@@bainz i'll definitely be checking my sub feed now. your solo joker vs lavenza runs were always peak. keep up the good work man!
Idk if u can. Minimum u need 2 personas for resisting the double megidolaon
A problem I encounter during this fight is not getting the heal skip, which is a hell of a pain considering now this would be my 5th attempt in my 3rd playthrough. And also just the J cup card never being the right one every shuffle time I get. Granted this is on hard so I don't know if its because I do too much damage with skadi considering I have both single target and multitarget boost along with ice amp. Or that my Odin deals too much
(Edit: I have both elec boost and amp on my odin, and I don't know if removing elec amp is going to help me at all in terms of damage)
Maybe try on a separate save file removing Ice Amp on Skadi (like I did during the Hard run in the vid), it may let you reach the right damage thresholds. If builds are the same as mine, it should work
@@bainz But is elec amp on odin a bit much or should I keep it, because it always seems to stop the phase 2 dialogue from even showing
And no matter how hard I try, I can never get Armageddon damage range on elizabeth no matter how much damage the gods hand does
(Edit: I figured out my mistake, I forgot to put ice boost on skadi, lol)
Hey, idk if you'll see this comment. Great guide! But I was wondering if you could tell me whether I'm screwed or not.
I'm playing on Normal Diff, first playthrough. I made the mistake of maxing every social link I needed EXCEPT for freaking Fortune, so I can't fuse Lakshmi. So now I have no idea how I'm supposed to get Almighty Boost on Satan or if there is any viable alternative.
My only other problem is I do not have Debilitate on Saki Mitama. Can I just use Debilitating Sutra items instead? Besides no Almighty Boost or Debilitate, I can make my build exactly the same as yours. I just don't want to waste hours maxing my personas and their necessary stats if ultimately I'm still screwed anyway. The level grinding is all I have left to do.
It's 1/29. I have one save from 12/28 but, honestly, I'd rather just do this on a future ng+ run instead of replay all of January. I already replayed two and a half weeks of January because I screwed up and was like 2 days short on maxing Fuuka's social link the first time...
EDIT: WAIT, OMG, YOU ARE A MADLAD! I just read your description. It's going to be a pain in the ass but I'm 99% sure that I can follow your directions to still get Almighty Boost onto Satan. Ok, so then I'll be fine with using Debilitating Sutra items instead of the skill right? :)
Hey, yeah there is a fusion without Lakshmi that should work! So if you could use that, and Debilitate items should be basically the same as having the skill. One thing is using items doesn't give any Theurgy gauge but it might still be fine? If you have a Rakunda skill card, you could also just use that instead of Deb.
One thing as well, you don't have to complete the fight the exact same way as the vid, going into 3rd phase can still result in a win if you follow the rules aha.
@@bainz thanks man! yeah, I wanted to follow your guide as close as possible because the moment a Persona game becomes seriously difficult is the moment I realize I don't know sheeit about how everything works under-the-hood. like, I was thinking about using Gabriel instead of Skadi (because I can get all the same abilities on Gabriel if I wanted to, and already lvl 99) but my brain is unable to compute whether the affinities on Gabriel would be problematic for this fight... I guess it would be fine because Jack Frost should get skipped if I hit Surt's weakness, but I definitely can't have Gabriel equipped for Metatron then, and Elizabeth's phase 3 personas seem random which makes it much easier to accidentally break the rules by using personas that have some null/repel/absorb
Ah, I see, yea I get what you mean, Phase 3 can be a bit more random in when Liz uses Personas. Then yea you could try the fusions I used, let me know if it works out! It is definitely is a bit of a grind lol
@@bainz for sure. tomorrow i will finish getting Saki Mitama leveled up. i've got everything i need for the equipment and should be able to buy more than enough incense cards. but i had to go with Thor for the optional electric-type persona with Ziodyne, single-target, elec amp+boost and Regen 1-3. normally i don't like using guides but this is honestly a poorly designed fight with practically zero room for the tiniest error, just made intentionally frustrating from a development standpoint whereas every other fight and mechanic in the game is learnable
i am super lucky the game is somehow letting me go to Tartarus on 1/30 with a Theurgy Fortune from the night club. normally it doesn't allow fortunes when so close to a full moon but i guess they make an exception for the very end of the game. anyway i'll let you know how it goes in a day or two
man im begging you do a vid on how to defeat joker in episode aigis🙏🙏
What bgm track is playing?
School Days - Persona PSP
@@bainz Thanks! Btw I wanted to ask, is it possible to do this method on normal mode? I found that Skadi's King and I only does about 4400 damage
So i kinda did 9.8k dmg with king and i on my first turn what the hell
Figured it out, i used another persona with 99 magic and strenght then used king and i, for 5313 dmg, used thunder reign for 4651 dmg and reflected gods hand for 832 dmg to then finally finish her off with armageddon
Can you use enduring soul multiple times per battle? If multiple personas have the skill
Only once even if it’s on separate Personas. But you can use both Enduring Soul and Endure in a fight
@@bainz thank you, do you know about how much yen I would need to max level 3-5 personas? I have 87 bloody buttons on merciless right now
Sorry but does the antique store really sells the card Resist Phys? Cause I really cannot find in the store 🤔 or maybe it's a quest?
I can't build skadi the way you do cause i don't have Hell biker since i didn't speak with Shinjiro + no dlc. Do you have any solution?
Hop on the Fusion Calculator and start doing some fusion chains. Otherwise, run another NG+ cycle and make sure you do Shinji's Linked Episode. It's great anyway.
I don’t understand something . How you survive 2 meidolaon my Sa Tan survive the one in 10:23 but died in the 10:50 meidolaon . I’m tire of trying
You need both Endure and Enduring Soul, and not use up one of them prior. It’s on the build
Why keep both Endure and Enduring Soul on Satan? Seems somewhat redundant, no?
Both can activate separately, and you need both to survive Liz's final attacks
@@bainzokay, so I messed up on the fusion for enduring soul on Satan. Is it still possible if I just use the pheonix egg or is it better to use the other accessory
@@TheNoodlerNoodleASMR Late reply, but yea using the accessory should be fine
@ thanks!
How can i avoid hell biker for skadi
😂im playing on normal and my skadi always deals 9500 ish on king and i, 2 turns werent enough to charge the theurgy for armageddon. But fuuka's theurgy who restore hp and sp also increase my theurgy, so somehow i win
My repel strike deals so little damage, anyone knows why?
Maybe difficulty? Or maybe Liz attack was lowered
-Spoiler Alert / partially-
Elizabeth’s eyes on first Megidolaon, she may be possessed by her “evil” shadow self. Igor is always trying to escape his “evil” shadow. Yuki becomes a resurrected shadow of himself, takes the roll of “host.” No evil shadow can defeat the “god” of shadows - yuki’s fate…IJS
How did you get refunded back so much theurgy gauge after the first theurgy? I used the soul fortune before going into Tartarus, but I’m getting that much back when I do mine.
*not getting that much back is what I meant
No matter what i do
On phase 2 she spams megidolaon(spelling bad)
She dosnt even heal
She just spams
She spams until you get her down to 9999, but in this video your basically supposed to have her already like in that 11000-10500 hp for phase 2 and when the repel strike hits that slaps her below 9999 you use armageddon
@@holczy0 nope
@@Nikkuzhs cant do that when she is immune
@@Mayhem-of-mortals use Almighty attacks
Fusion recipe with dlc personas?
Use the p3r fusion calulator and set to the DLC persona's you have
Question, can I activate enduring soul/endure multiple times if I have it on multiple persona's? Or is that just too much
(Edit: how much did it cost you in terms of materials to get all the incense needed to max out the mitama's en?
No, they can only activate once each per fight, even if they're on diff Personas
@@bainz Ah, thanks dude. I thought it would've been too easy since I have enduring soul on so many persona's.
And I think my attis is going to be my lucifer for the fight since it has endure and enduring soul while also have survival trick (Edit: Do you think I need to bring anything else from masakado than just debilitate?)
im on peaceful can i just keep attacking her and win?
If you’re on peaceful you can prob breathe and she’ll die
@bainz bro i did that move what was it called mego something and She straigth up did the same and then after i revive She kills me again and again
Just use Scarlet Havoc
@@bainz what was that again?
It’s a Theurgy skill you unlock after making Mithras and Siegfried. Try putting Endure or Enduring Soul on your Personas to live her Megidolaon
*BE AWARE THIS METHOD IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DO IF YOU HAVENT MAXED THE FORTUNE SOCIAL LINK*
Wich was my case cause that social link seemed boring... Sadge :C
Oh, why would Fortune be needed? To fuse Satan? Lakshmi isn't required to make Satan, and also Satan isn't the only Persona you can use for that role... Regardless, there's another fusion path for Satan in the description now that doesn't use Lakshmi, that may work
Definitely not required, you just have to make up for it by maxing a few other social links and it's a bit more roundabout to fuse Odin and Satan. You also might have to use some skill cards to get certain buffs that are otherwise innate.
When I finally get to doing this fight after I max all my social links in my max links run I’ll beat Elizabeth my way. While also using this guide as a reference. My plan is to use
Orpheus telos as a dual element build using diamond dust and Panta Rhei, with magic ability, Ice Amp, Wind Amp and spell master and any other skills through skill cards if necessary. Make a similar Saka mitama build to yours and make Orpheus my entrance buffer. No theragys except for Armageddon at the end as I’m not going for the fastest kill.
Keep in mind that Magic Ability is on MC's weapon, so it doesn't need to be on any build
@@bainzyeah I just remembered that. Welp I don’t need to worry about getting that passive, opens up a skill slot to use for something else.
When I do this fight I’ll record it.
It sounds to me like she says "I bring you, Megidolar." So I will now excursively be calling it Megidolar. No further questions. Thank you.
I love this game but I’m not the type to smash my head or spend a long time grinding this out just to prove i cans beat this boss . I’ll just enjoy videos like this and enjoy the game. At the end of the day this seems more like for hardcore fans of the series.
I love you man🫡🙏🙏
i have the same build odin and he only does 1800ish with his attack instead of 3500 on hard? that main damage problem is the reason i can't kill liz with this method
Do you have the exact same set-up with Concentrate and Atk up? It should be the same if so. Also make sure it’s after she has used Cu Chulainn
@@bainz ok my bad i think i accidentally used the cup buff on something else before going in, not sure how but i reloaded an earlier save and got it back and just beat her! i was going crazy wondering why my numbers weren't matching yours. thanks man
ok i ran the fight a couple more times. sometimes fuuka will only give a heat riser with her theurgy instead of concentrate + atk, that's why the dmg output differs. if she does the wrong one you just gotta reset
Bro is this for merciless?
Yes
Well I use Messiah orpheus telus and saki mitama and work for me but your strategy is better so excelent work if you want to see how o did it is my youtube channel