Persona 3 Reload: The Reaper Level 16/Single Persona/No NG+ (Merciless) [No DLC]
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- Опубліковано 29 бер 2024
- Thanks for the support on this video I noticed it sort of blew up with engagement which never really happened to me before! I love to break megaten games in ways nobody else does so if that's your thing feel free to stick around! I am currently the only one to have pulled off this strategy at all and especially at this low lvl
Me and @cantthinkofbettername5065 had been discussing strategies for a few different challenges, he's a dataminer and is always super helpful when calculating odds or looking into the AI of enemies and a bunch of stuff, after realising something about the reaper we knew it was hypothetically possible to manipulate his AI and beat him at the lowest possible level with no ng+. He also made the amazing thumbnail so huge shoutout to him!
In comparison to my Lavenza Level 1 fight I'm unsure where to rank this. Possibly harder but hard to tell. I knew mathematically it was possible but it combines AI Manipulation and a lot of luck. I'll explain the strategy
Whenever you are under an ailment like fear or confusion the Reaper will ALWAYS try to exploit your vulnerability with physical attacks so by keeping yourself feared with Weird Takoyaki the reaper will just hurt himself. The chance of being feared is very low and there is a high chance that with no ailment on you this took around 25 tries.
The first half of the fight is fast. He willopen with some sort of move to exploit a team member usually Mitsuru and will Primal Force with a 1 more, usually this ends up with all teammates dead but sometimes one can live and very rarely I had all survive. His final move will be Heat Riser always. After he will spam single target phys moves as long as you are under fear.
The second half of the fight he will start with an Insta-Kill then follow up with a single target phys and from then on providing you are feared he will use Akasha Arts or Vorpal Blade then follow up with an insta-kill. Homunculus is okay for surviving those however it removes your ailment so I chose Archangel for a specific reason. (You can also choose Gurulu at this level).
Abusing mutations you can essentially choose almost any 4 skills in the game you want so here I chose Repel Slash, Repel Strike, Repel Pierce, Null Dark. Archangel naturally nulls Light so it would stop the homunculus taking away my ailments and creating more needless rng. If you choose Gurulu you'd go for Null Light instead.
Then the other 4 moves must come either from the persona or skill cards so looking at the ones currently accessible I went for Arrow Rain and I will explain why. Rakunda to make the Repels deal more to the Reaper. Stagnant Air, this was supposed to increase the odds of items inflicting ailments however it doesnt seem likely, same with using Fear boost ring and Ailment boost which I had tried previously, the results seemed to be the same odds regardless. And the final skill was just a dodge passive but it never triggered in attempts ever.
My Full Build:
MC Level 16: (Can be as low as 14 mandatory fights only but I accidentally fought guardians without Akihiko and gained too much exp. I used the skip to reach the Reaper tutorial floor and missed out all Arqa part 2 guardians though)
Archangel - Level 10:
Arrow Rain (Sword 4)
Rakunda (Sword 3)
Stagnant Air (Sword 3)
Dodge Elec (Sword 4)
Repel Slash (Tier 7, Mutated)
Repel Strike (Tier 7, Mutated)
Repel Pierce (Tier 7, Mutated)
Null Dark (Tier 6, Mutated)
It takes a long process of fusing back and forth till your moves mutate up and up and getting money required for the items and personas necessary is tedious since you can only do a few fights and you need those for shuffle time cards so doing it this low is a very tedious and tight process.
Equipment:
Weapon: Gladius (+10hp)
Armour: Rash Guard (Not important)
Shoes: Inline Skates (+3 Ag but not important)
Accessory: Earrings of Grit (Endure)
At level 16 if you use the computer to give you +7hp and Gladius for +10 that takes your max hp over 200. This is important to lower rng as Weird Takoyaki heals for 100hp and you cannot use it to try and fear yourself if you are max hp. So you go into the fight at 1hp which allows you 3 uses till you reach full health instead of 2. Arrow Rain is the highest hp costing move we have access to at this part of the game so if we do reach max hp and are feared we can attempt to use it to lower our health to allow us to reapply a Weird Takoyaki after it wears off. Sometimes it's better to go for a Rakunda for the more damage especially if you have Endure left which will leave you back at 1hp and allow for more Takoyaki's. Theoretically it is possible without Archangel or Gurulu my original attempts were with Nekomata but the IKs taking away my ailments made the fight longer and much more luck intensive and it's heavily rng based as it is. You can go into the fight as low as level 14 like I said but really there is no difference in the strategy at all.
Thanks for watching and enjoy more masochism! ♡ - Ігри
A lot of people don't seem to know what skill mutations are or how it works. It's briefly in the description but I'm making this a pinned comment so I can just keep referring people to it. I will explain the full strategy in order to mutate anything you want at any level and how the Reaper AI works so anyone can try this for themselves.
First just know it will take a lot of saving and reloading and second a lot of money. I did this at minimum level so up until this area it was a mandatory fights only run, with the occasional fight to gain skill cards once I hit Arqa. The Reaper spawns F62 first so you cant fight him lower level so by missing all fights possible I could stay low levelled. Once I beat Emperor and Empress I used the guardian skip method showcased in my other video to stop gaining exp from any guardian in the 2nd half of Arqa. Doing all this meant I barely gained money so in order to get money I worked jobs and smashed breakables to sell materials. 99x of all Thebel materials can net you over 100k yen in a single tartarus trip and that's excluding other chest items and when you hit Arqa you can get even more. After accumulating a ton of money you then fuse 2 personas. Any 2 it doesn't matter since the 4 skills I wanted are passives any persona can inherit them. You can use skill cards you have to fill empty slots in your personas to allow the full 4 moves to pass down.
Essentially you save and fuse until a tier 1 skill mutates into a tier 2. Then you take this new persona and fuse it with anything else until that tier 2 skill mutates into a tier 3. Then 4, 5 and 6. Any time a mutation did not happen I simply reloaded to save money. Repel Passives are tier 7s so at this point it becomes a bit more tedious in that you need the mutation to be the exact skill you want but its the same thing you reset until the tier 6 mutates into Repel Strike for example. Now you can mutate another skill upwards and as long as every fusion you make sure to pass down Repel Strike you will keep it. Eventually after hours of resets you will get Repel Strike, Repel Slash, Repel Pierce and Null Dark. Null Dark is tier 6 so it's the same you just need to do it lower than the repels.
Once you have all 4 moves I just found a fusion combination that ended with the result being Archangel and pass all 4 of them down and there is your triple repel Archangel. It's impossible to mutate more than 4 this low level but with special fusions you can do 5. But anymore than 5 is strictly not possible. The other 4 moves were put on via skill cards that are obtainable at this point in the game.
Now for the fight itself. Essentially if you are under the fear condition (or any conditon that increases the probability of crits) the reaper will try to exploit you by ALWAYS using a physical move. He picks his move before his target so when solo it is exceedingly rare he will target your weakness normally. However when exploiting you his AI doesn't look for passives so here we use Weird Takoyaki in an attempt to keep ourselves under a constant state of fear. The 2 issues are it's a low chance to happen so this is very rng based even if you have the setup correct and if you are at full hp you cannot use the item. To mitigate the first one we enter the fight at 1hp to allow us 3 uses of Weird Takoyaki and give ourself a physical move, we use this when at full hp in order to drain it back down to allow us another use, there is luck in this too in that when under the fear condition you have a chance to not act. Any other time we have a free turn we use Rakunda to debuff the Reaper to make him take more damage. The first half of the fight he will use 2 single target physical moves of any type randomly with the highest chance being a Slash at 50.5%, Strike being 25% and Pierce being 24.5% except on a 1 more he will always Primal Force in this scenario.
When you hit the last half of his hp he will use either Vorpal Blade or Akasha Arts with Vorpal Blade being a 50.5% chance and Akasha Arts being 49.5% meaning Pierce Repel is not needed at this part of the run since he will never use it. The problem with choosing a persona for this section is his second move per turn he will use an Instant Kill move which will always hit you. This isn't the end of the world as homunculus will save you, however doing so will remove your fear condition and that creates a ton more rng having to reapply fear every single turn so here I used Archangel as he naturally Nulls Light. Remember I can only mutate 4 skills maximum so my 4th skill is Null Dark to prevent insta kills from removing my status ailment. Then it's just pray that rng is in your favour. Hope that clears up anything ♡
Just curious, did you reset for every single fusion that didn't mutate? The chance of mutation on a given fusion is multiplied depending on how many fusions you've done on the current day (up to 5x after 50 fusions), so it should actually save you time/money if you allow some failures.
I kept going if a different skill mutated so like say I was at tier 6 going for a repel and a tier 2 mutated to tier 3 I kept that since that would help with another. I knew about the mutation and accidents increasing every 10 fusions in increments but CTOBN who originally datamined it all told me it resets after a success so that would just mean more money wasted but potentially faster mutations since I wouldnt need to reset and could gain the multiplier. But honestly got a bit lazy and tired of smashing items to sell for money since that took such a long time and since I had a "low" amount I really need each fusion to have a mutation and count for something
@@Ziroikabi Hmm, the counter resets after a success? Strange, that hasn't been my experience... I can definitely relate to the "smashing items sucks" part though 🙃
A few small corrections. For one, the counter resets each in-game day. I'm not sure when I gave the impression that it was after a success (or if it was before or after I figured out what the counter was), but I apologize for that.
Second, a bit more detail on the Reaper's AI targeting. It will specifically check for if a party member has "Confuse" or "Fear" (though the distinction between that and what Ziro said is only relevant for getting Frozen/Shocked randomly or being dizzied after a knockdown, as you cannot self-inflict Distress). If that condition is met, despite only doing this behavior in response to Fear and Confuse, he will then lock himself into a physical move that targets a party member with any standard ailment (if above half HP, otherwise it's AoE anyways. Also "Standard ailment" in this case means excluding Downed, Dead, Orgia Mode, and Overheat).
This means that (for example), if you have just a party member with Poison, he will not do this behavior. However if you have a party member with Fear and another party member with Poison, then he will do this behavior, but can target either of those party members.
Is fear the only debuff that weird takoyaki can give?
the fact that reaper fully went ballistic on mitsuru after her cool intro screen is so funny to me lol
His AI seems to prioritise her first so 9/10 she'd die first before even getting a turn. Unsure as to why but sometimes it would let Mitsuru have a turn before the reaper it was rare but it happened this attempt. I wonder if it is due to her never having used her persona by this point but not sure. And that Junpei counter was amazing, the only time it ever triggered in all attempts
@@Ziroikabi To speak from my PoV on this, this isn't a "seems to" thing. When the reaper attempts to target weaknesses (which he always does action 1 of turn 1), he will always check if Mitsuru is present before checking for anyone else, and if he detects someone when checking for weaknesses he will go for that weakness 51 times out of 101 (except for Ken, who he will always go for). In addition to that, if he fails the 51/101 all 3 times (which can only happen if Ken isn't present), the random attack he does instead is more likely to incidentally be fire than anything else (aside from Slash or Strike I guess), though the target for it in that scenario would be just non-null rather than Mitsuru specifically.
@@Ziroikabinah the Reaper just targets her first, It happened to me just the other day.
she's just a girl
"Let me show that i haven't lost my touch. LET'S GO! PENTHESILE- ⚰️"
I can only imagine being in Mitsuru's place: You just go back to the front lines, your field of expertise. The so called leader decides its a good ideia to fight a mighty enemy, you get knocked the fuck out and he somehow wins. I'd be flabbergasted 😂
Imagine Fuuka watching the whole thing confused between being horrified and grabbing the popcorn...
I be fearful of Doorkun.
Fuuka: you genuinely stand no chance! you need to run!
Ziro: "give me 7 minutes."
"I only have 7 minutes to spare to play with you"
Seven minutes, seven minutes is all i can spend to play with you
@@saidbrizzo2187 7 minutes ago
@@saidbrizzo2187 If I am correct, that's a villain protagonist named "Albert Wesker" reference...
@@NaotoShirogane-ig6jz yeah you are correct naoto
Nah, I’d reflect.
hi ari :3
btw he actualy didnt die, so he stronger tham strongest
Imaginary technique: megidolan
reverse technik, helel
cursed technik, satan
hollow armagedon
Not funny
Im still genuinely stunned that it worked out exactly how i thought it would.
Im so confused lol how does archangel reflect all physical damage, block light and dark, and what does the takoyaki have to do with this? 😂
OH lol nvm im dumb. I just dont understand how you got all those moves so early on and what the takoyaki did, does fear manipulate his AI somehow?
Lol. Nvm again. I see the video description 🤦♂️
@@briandorough498 Being inflicted with fear and dizzy prompts the reaper's AI to use physical moves on the aflicted target to do a knockdown, you can get mutations for passive moves by doing fusions, so for example if you have a "dogde pierce" passive, it has a chance to evolve into "evade pierce", if you keep evolving it, it will reach "repel pierce", that process can be repeated for other 3 skills (since archangel is a low level persona, it can only evolve a max of 4 skills, but high level personas can evolve 5).
The hilarity of the start holy shit, seeing Mitsuru have her initial "I'm far stronger than you'd ever believe" cutscene while casting Rakunda, and then being fucking annihilated with Agidyne for like 1600 damage 😭😭
I'm not quite sure why but occasionally Mitsuru would outspeed the reaper. It only happened a few times in all my attempts, I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact she hadn't used her persona by this point but it's hilarious that both that and Junpei counter happened on the winning try
When developers rewards you for making the impossible.
Bro really went from lvl 16 to lvl 99
Fuuka leveled up to 99 as well. You got a maxed leader AND a maxed navigator with a useful therugy.
How is that possible ? I beat the reaper at lvl 80 and I got only 10 lvl
@@witheburning8756 experience is split among each living party member, so finishing the fight solo basically quadruples the experience gained
@@heeho8929 oh ok thank you I didn't know, maybe I should use this to get lvl99
Wow, i still didn't fight him in reload. Thats a hell loat of xp is more than the otter games right?
The "I'll Totally Crit Him This Time" Reaper.
Gigachad junpei countering the reaper though...
He's da man
i was level 60 fighting the reaper and Junpei *killed* him with a counter
never took him out of the team afterwards, he's DA MAN
The reaper hitting you with evil smile while on 1 hp and unfeared was clutch, what a bro, lmao
I honestly thought this attempt was going to fail he usually tentarafoos quite a bit in the first half but I never had him evil smile me at all then twice in the same fight was pretty insane
Lvl 99 fuuka is so actually nice!!! Cause a lot of sp for scans and full access to her abilities
We don’t understand how rng works in reload yet but if we found a way to manipulate skill mutations like in persona 5 and 4 this could become part of the speedrun. Not just for level 99 early on and access to Siegfried but also like you said all Fuuka abilities early would make tartarus much faster as well!
@@Ziroikabiwhy Siegfried?
@@lenblackquill8608 Siegfried is easily the best middle tier persona in the game. He competes with all the level 80+ super personas while just passively learning good skills for a slash build. He absolutely destroys bosses and takes little time to make so the speedrun just levels up his social link and boom you use him for the entire game once you get him
@@lenblackquill8608also he’s a necessary unit for unlocking one of the best theurgy moves in the game.
Eat some weird ass takoyaki, fight the embodiment of Death, and win by doing nothing.
Truly a gun Jesus moment.
Sounds like something Luigi would do.
i decided to look at your channel after seeing this vid and like… man i thought i was starting to get somewhat knowledgeable in persona and your channel completely humbled me 😭 great job though!
Lmao thanks I appreciate this a lot! I just feel like 99% of popular persona videos are generic build videos or min max things which, while cool to see isn't really impressive at all. I'm not exactly great at content creation but I just like doing dumb challenges that nobody else will do and comments like this always make my day and motivate me to do more!
The skyrocket to lv 99 is crazy (ik you get ridiculously more xp from fights where you underleveled but its still wild)
Damn not getting a Megidolaon spam after all the Repels is insane. Crazy good manipulation of the Reaper's AI.
Fun fact he will only Megidolaon in 2 situations (that i know of) If the first move his turn was Virus Breath the second will always be Megidolaon. Or if he used Concentrate the prior turn.
But since we are feared which gives a high chance for him to crit us the AI will try to exploit that and only spam physical moves. His AI actually picks its move before the target so it never checks for passives or attack/magic mirrors. Even with my strategy it involved getting lucky with self fear and took around 25 attempts total
@@Ziroikabi I've seen that his AI is a lot more forgiving in Reload. In FES if you used Tetrakarn or Marakarn he would immediately cast Megidolaon to bypass that, and while I never used Tetra/Mara or Attack/Magic Mirror in Reload due to being single member-only, Ken's Divine Intervention Theurgy in Reload doesn't trigger Megido despite essentially fulfilling the same purpose.
Yeah in FES you can just use Thunder Reign or Thunder Call to cheese him then. But that requires you be a high enough level to get Thor or Odin. Mutations work a bit different in FES compared to Reload but I may try and do a minimum possible level reaper win on that too
Giga chad fes' reaper vs negative infinite iq royal's reaper@@jionmallick5902
@Ziroikabi, what is mutation? I didn't understand even after reading the description.😅 Is it a shuffle time that gets you cards or what?
Impressive! And I salute you for actually taking the time to explain everything about this setup, so others (like me) can learn from it! :)
You really made Mitsuru's first fight back in the field against the Reaper ☠️
This is surprising me a lot. Honestly I could never do this!!!.
Keep up the great work!!! ❤❤🎉🎉
you do the most insane things and i’m all here for it
So impressive !! Good job !
It's crazy to see this level of thinking and AI manipulation, I loved this. Congrats for making it doable!
This video is absolutely marvelous
from a simple idea to an actual doable strat, this is wild
Best Persona Player Ever :)
Thanks Ash lmaoo ♡
The irony of the Cups Minor Arcana card after the battle is just-I can't put it into words.
p3r really is the game of all time.
"persona 3 reload is a hard game" persona 3 reload:
Other versions weren't either. Persona 3 is the easiest in the franchise.
@@redhood7778Cap
Reload is Brain dead. Never really see the game over screen unless bad luck
Think I only saw the game over screen in the original like 3 times, maybe I'm misremembering but I don't remember it being very difficult apart from some bosses@@xaviersejour9183
delusional @@xaviersejour9183
hi!! i just wanted to say thank you for this video ^^ I've just finished getting all the skill mutation needed and apparently save scumming helps a lot instead of trying to keep doing fusion if the previous one didn't get you one!! (wasted a lot of money)
but i did get a lot of great skills and actually got a lot of magic mastery (i did reload my save tho so i didn't waste money) but now I'm just grinding more money to buy the accessory and I'll update if necessary! thanks again!!
how you get the skill mutation?
Congrats, that's a great strategy
Big brain move 😮, grats guys 🎉
YOOO IVE BEEN SEARCHING FOR THIS. thank you so much im gonna try it. btw is it possible to see like a setup video for this? thank you u just earned a sub
bro's arcana is an uno card
You are a madman.
Nah, I'd [Repel Slash]
Love the thumbnail
CTOBN made it for me, who also datamined the game he did such a great job of it!
Bro that was so badass
Im not gonna sugarcoat it
⚡️ ⚡️
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[REPEL STRIKE]
[REPEL SLASH]
[REPEL PIERCE]
I like that reaper helps you with fear by himself
This is interesting. How’d you get a tier 7 skills to mutate for, when the earliest you can get a Tier 7 skill-having Persona is on level 40 (Vidyaraja’s Blessing from DLC’s Cendrillon)? This is according to the fusion calc’s skill list table ofc
Skill mutations. Fuse 2 personas to upgrade the tier by 1. Fuse off the result to something else till that upgraded move mutates again to higher tier. Lots of save scumming and time was involved obviously. And you can only pass down 4 moves at once so the maximum I could have is 4 moves being the 3 repels and 1 null dark. The other 4 moves were skill cards obtainable that early
I was about to say you must’ve gotten so much hp, boy was i proven right.
Junpei did his share
Certified "why are you hitting yourself?" build
So that I know I've understood right - If a party member is afraid (or otherwise afflicted with a crit up status ailment), the Reaper will always prioritise trying to crit on them with a phys skill and then follow up with an instakill, regardless of resistances? So the goal for this challenge is to stay afflicted with fear for as long as possible, lowering defence when you can and using physical skills to allow you to heal yourself with the odd morsel in hopes of re-afflicting fear before the Reaper's next turn, and letting the repel skills do the rest?
Is there any risk that the Reaper will pull out a magic skill while you're afraid and wreck your shit anyway? Or is the only risk that you won't get fear back before it hits you twice in a row with magic skills?
Either way - really interesting strat! I don't even want to think about how long that skill mutation abuse must have taken.
Yeah pretty much! no matter what he will always physical. This is my only attempt another member got into the second half of the fight but notice Junpei only died because he confused us and somehow I dodged it so then he tried to exploit him whereas he could have just used magic but didnt.
The first half the fight he will double phys from a selection of moves Gods Hand, Brave Blade, Primal Force and then at half hp he will do a Insta Kill + Physical. From then on he will do either Akasha Arts or Vorpal Blade + Insta Kill. The endure is really helpful not just surviving but getting your hp back low for more fear chances and the lower luck stat you have the more turns you can be feared, at this point its 2-4 turns usually 4. Homunculus can be used for the Insta Kills but it will remove your ailment meaning you’d have to reapply fear every single turn eventually being full hp so either would have to pray he ailments or gives you time to drain your own hp. Or you somehow dodge a passive boosted Insta Kill with only 6 luck stat so Archangel or Gurulu are the best bet for this early on
The ammount of brain power this took was so clever I was surprised
Me who thought that beating reaper on level 50 was badass 😅😅😅
Never thought of using takoyaki or musle drink to do that
Great job on showing the reaper who's boss 👍👍👍
Fuuka just casually watchin as makoto uses 1% of his power
By eating food, sure enough
bro is a god
Me watching the video:
USE A MAGIC ATTACK OR SOMETHING YOU STUPID AI
We purposefully fear ourselves so the AI tries to exploit your vulnerability with a physical move to crit you so as long as fear is active he will never ever use magic
@@Ziroikabi Ohhh I see it now
theres a similar exploit in P5R, where you use a ring of gluttony to force the reaper to spam megidolaon every turn.
@@howisthis8849 a lot of bosses have that. It’s not really an exploits its just ring of gluttony gives you a mirror for an attack. A lot of secret bosses will just spam almighty if you have a mirror up to bypass it
You stand no chance
Mitsuru: I am far more in my element here, let me show you that I havent lost my touch
proceed to die 2 seconds later 😂
didn't know that this was possible lol. and those monstrous exp 😂
Makoto was smirking the whole time
Bro said stop hitting yourself 💀
Two megidoloans and It would be over in instant xD
Thanks to AI manipulation he would never megidolaon. That's why we fear ourself on purpose so he thinks he can exploit you with a physical move and it just repels back
Omg that lucky with the last evil smile
Does he normal only use physical and insta kill moves or was it just luck of the draw that he didn’t use the wind move again
this might become the new meme for mitsuru.
Dude this dude made the reaper embarrass himself with skill issues. That’s mad skill and dedication for max swag
HOW DID HE MANAGE TO ONLY USE PHYSICAL ATTACKS??? HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE??????????
Edit: I just read the description and I am amazed, you deserve a subscription. Congrats 👏👏👏
Babe wake up, new reaper cheese just dropped
YOU ARE A GENIOUS PURPOSELLY GETTING YUKI FRIGHTENED SO HE ONLY USES PHYSICALS ATTACKS TO CRIT OMGGGG
I can't believe you got so many reflects
This is actually insane wtf. Completely new game and vanilla
Amazing...
Btw you misspelled "Theoretically" in the last paragraph of the description.
So i can tell you manipped the ai into using physical moves with fear. But would you have lost if he'd used 1 more magic attack?
Still crazy that this is possible though, and Mitsuru dying immediately like that after her cutscene is hilarious
Yeah. I had earrings of grit which endures 1 hit but it got used up. As long as I kept feared it was fine he would only use physicals (insta kills as well if he was in phase 2) whenever it wasnt on I was at risk of dying essentially
That 9 damage from junpei carried you holy shit. They don’t call him Da Man for nothing
You could say that he decided to REFLECT on his actions.
Fuuka: Our leader is in danger!
didn't realize the reaper is their leader...
Arahabaki is proud
so in summary, you need a preferred sl, do 7 separate fusions, reloading and fusing while waiting for the level up to mutate and get the "repel slash", "repel hit" (I assume that tier 6 is the blocks like this I would have to do that 2 times for light and darkness), in order to have your person checked, what tier are the skills "weaken" and "heart risen"?
and, why the hell u survive the magarudyne?
@@isaacmoreno2403I had earrings of grit equipped that gives me endure so i survive 1 fatal attack at 1hp
It would be nice to have a list of all the skills by tiers, to make the process easier, since I can't seem to find a list anywhere on the internet :P
The fusion calculator has them here: aqiu384.github.io/megaten-fusion-tool/p3r/skills
@@Ziroikabi Oh, thank you so much ^^
@@Ziroikabi Ok, now I understand why I didn't see it there originally, my PC's google chrome somewhy doesn't show the "rank" tab, while my phone and other PC browsers DO show it, very weird
“Wow, you destroyed that guy without even touchin him 😵”
I’m interested, how many man-hours did it take you to get all the personas/fusions/mutations?
Total hours I don’t know since I was reloading my save file constantly it doesnt have a true final number. But the grinding for money took ages. The mutations were fine until I reached tier 6 where I needed the specific tier 7s so that took a lot of resets. Especially for the last one
Would it be possible to inflict rage on yourself, and would that do more damage to the Reaper since it doubles damage?
That’s a really good question! Sadly there is no way to self inflict rage. We’ve been looking into beating Elizabeth on Merciless without a theurgy but the dps is just physically impossible. Just fear, confusion and poison to my knowledge can be self inflicted, at least this early on. The damage reflected back is the Reaper’s specifically so rage wouldnt help in this way. Some megaten games do handle things slightly differently with skills like counter that would make it do higher damage but not here unfortunately.
Poison wont make the reaper try to exploit you so its between Fear and Confusion. Fear still has a chance to let you act and Weird Takoyaki heals for 100. While Rancid Gravy heals for 150 which we don’t actually want here since being full hp stops you using the items. The potential for extra turns while feared allows you a chance at using Rakunda to lower his defence or if full hp to use a physical move to specifically drain your own hp back down
I wonder if this could be made a theoredical possibiility with mods, since in the past Persona games (namely 1 and 4) there were skills to self-inflict Rage, namely the geniously named Balzac.
how did you manipulate the mutation to be able to get the four you wanted in particular?
The mutations weren’t manipulated. Just the reaper fight. We do not know how to control the games rng yet unlike persona 4 and 5 where we actually can manipulate some mutations. I explained in another comment and the description briefly but I’ll try explain.
I can inherit 4 moves maximum (5 if special fusion but I needed archangel specifically so 4) so theoretically 4 moves can be anything I want. They are all inheritable so doesn’t matter who i make that has them.
Then I started off with Orpheus + Apsaras -> Nekomata (it literally doesnt matter what but these are low level fusions so cheap) I saved first and loaded until any skill mutated so a tier 1 -> tier 2. Then I fused this new nekomata with something else random. Saved and reloading till the tier 2 turned to a tier 3. Then repeated till I got a 4 -> 5 -> tier 6 skill. The repels are tier 7. Then I rerolled until the tier 6 fused to exactly the tier 7 i wanted.
Ofc any skill can mutate so if while trying to mutate a skill, if another low tier skill mutated into a higher one I’d still keep it as that would help for another I wanted later.
Like I said all moves are inheritable so now I have 1 skill as long as I pass it down each fusion I have it forever now. Some personas cant inherit certain types but passives can be learnt by anything. This was just a long process of save loading until I got the desired outcome. Null Dark is a tier 6 so I did the same but stopped at tier 5 for that one.
Since normally you can never pass down more than 4 moves I physically can’t get any better skills onto Archangel so the other 4 skills were skill cards I could obtain that early. Physical being to drain my own hp (cant use the heal item to fear self if full hp). Rakunda for obvious reasons. Stagnant air because ailment chance increase (didnt learn till after it was useless) and Dodge Elec which is kind of useless because the Reaper doesnt target weaknesses ever. He actually picks his move BEFORE the target then tries to find the best target, so when solo its exceedingly rare he’ll happen to pick the right move to hit your weakness.
@@Ziroikabi ooooooh, i think i get it. will be testing this out because it seems interesting
ty!!!!
Can you tell me how you were able to get psychical repels this early in the game??
I always explain my strategy in the description. But basically fuse to make tier 1 skill mutate to tier 2. Take the result and fuse again till tier 2 goes to tier 3. Repeat with save loads until eventually I get the desired result. Can only do a maximum of 4 moves (3 Repels and Null Dark) since you cant pass down more than 4 at once unless its a special fusion
@@Ziroikabi question:I facing a problem during Elizebeth fight
Whenever she summon Alice and use die for me I always get hit even though I have like 20 homologous in my inventory and I end up wasting my endure and enduring soul ,any ideas why the homologous aren't Sacrificing themselves??
@@leothelion6323 the game will use endure/enduring soul up before homunculus sadly so there’s a few options you can do
1. Shoes of Bane null dark insta kill moves and it doesnt trigger her 9999. You get them from Tanaka so you might have missed it
2. Make sure the persona you have equipped for Alice doesn’t have endure or enduring soul equipped so it will use homunculus instead
3. If you hit a persona with the opposite element Elizabeth will skip ahead by 1. This is what I did in my orpheus only fight. If you hit Metatron with Dark (He is Light) she will skip past Alice straight to Nebiros and providing you always do it she will never use her
@@Ziroikabi K thanks for the info,will use the null dark shoes and didn't knew about the whole opposite persona detail so thanks again
Can you make a video on what personas you fused to get this I have been trying for hours and got jack crap
There isn't really a guide you can make, its very time consuming and luck based you need to save scum over and over to get the desired results. It's so different that nobody will ever have the same fusion paths you can't follow a step by step thing you need to understand the games mutation mechanics properly.
Your personas dont matter. You're trying to mutation chain skills not inherit persona skills. Fuse **anything** till a mutation happens (tier 1 skill to a tier 2 for example) then fuse the new persona into something else and mutate previous mutated skill again it will go up another tier.
Repeat again and again until you go all the way from low tier skills to end game skills. You need to save between each one as it gets expensive so if you dont get a mutation you need to reload and re-fuse till you do.
Make sure when you have skills you want every time you fuse you pass them down otherwise they will be lost. You can only pass down a maximum of 4 skills but you can mutate almost anything. My mutated skills were 3 Repels and Null Dark. Repel is tier 7 and null is tier 6.
Use the fusion calculator to check your skill tiers. Try mutate your highest tier skills but as an example lets say you only have tier 1s. Mutate it to a tier 2 of any skill, the skill itself doesnt matter just that its a higher tier. Fuse the new persona till that mutates to a tier 3. Again and again till it gets to tier 6. Now you keep going until it mutates into a tier 7 but this time the tier 7 needs to actually be a specific skill you want so in my case repel slash, strike and pierce, this can take a while if you're unlucky but eventually you will get the exact skill you want.
Now start on mutating another skill (sometimes you will get multiple skills mutate thats good you can work on 2+ at once to save time) Make sure once you have a skill you want you ALWAYS pass it down otherwise its gone. Eventually after a LONG process you will get 4 perfectly mutated skills that you want.
(You can actually get 5 if you are doing this with a special fusion by having 2 separate persona mutation chains but I used Archangel as my result and he's a regular fusion. The only reason for this was he naturally Nulls Light which I needed for the Reaper to stop instakills removing my ailment)
This process is tedious I don't recommend anyone try this it takes multiple days of grinding money from breakables and selling them and then to mutation chain after. It will take easily over a week of serious grind just to replicate this I happened to have a semi setup save to try this and it still took and absurd amount of time.
@@Ziroikabi well good thing i have a lot of stuff to sell
What is Junpei doing? His best.
He did a great job. That counter activating near the start was actually the only time it ever happened in all my attempts at it haha
How do you get all those repels?
How many hours you took to find proper mutation or fusing?
Not sure on the specifics but it took longer than a normal persons entire casual playthrough. Lots of reloading happened so my save file doesn’t show the accurate time of how long
Bro took all the exp for himself
Wait did you straight up lvled to 99 ? I knew reaper was worth a lot of xp but that much xd
dude, I followed ur inst to the dot
loaded a persona with evade strike/pierce/slash obtained from skill cards and started fusing
still can’t get them to skill mutate into null or resist even after 1week of trying😢
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Evades wont go into Resists thats why. They don’t evolve according to skill (they kind of do but not really) they evolve based on the skill tier. Any tier 1 will go to any tier 2 etc. So evades will never turn into a resist. You just need to fusion chain to get any skill thats a tier 6 it doesnt matter. Some specific skills are also level restricted not many but some are
Don’t think of anything like persona 4 mutations its very different
@@Ziroikabi thank you sir!
Good job Ziroikapi
What persona are you using to keep reflecting?
Its in the video and the description/pinned comment explains
how did you get those repel mutations? from which skills? how many fusions?
Multiple gaming sessions of smashing breakables for materials to sell for money then fusion chaining with save scumming to take tier 1s to tier 2s all the way to tier 6. Then save loading until the tier 6 mutated to a repel which is tier 7.
Me and a few others were the first to find out how mutations work before any video was made on it so I had plenty of time to try pull this off. Ctobn who made the mutation calculator was the one I theorised this whole thing with
@@Ziroikabi how many hours did you spend till you get all those 4 mutations
I don't know. If I am reloading failed attempts constantly it doesn't add onto my save file timeslot so no way to track exactly, but I did it with other people around in the psmt discord server if you mean to accuse me of being dishonest. They aren't hard moves to obtain at all. The first part of mutating could literally be any move as long as it was going to a higher tier and repels are much easier to obtain compared to something like magic mastery
@@Ziroikabi i wasn't accusing you. I'm purely curious and interested of this discovery 😅
algum Br consegue "traduzir" a estratégia dele e as coisas que ele colocou no persona dele?
Did it take less time to do this than grinding to 99 normally?
It was considerably longer. Very long and tedious process. There are ways to do it also low level and not need quite as optimal setup (which involves more rng) or wait till Yabbashah when mirrors are obtainable. If we find out how rng is handled in the game and can manipulate skill mutations this could be implemented into the speedrun saving a TON of time. But as of now with no rng manipulation it takes too long and the fight is still heavily luck based at this level
How did you get repel all this early?
I’m guessing having a status effect causes the Reaper to use physical attacks which then allowed you to repel them and with Archangel naturally having null light, you just needed null dark to complete the build that would nullify his light and dark spells. A surprisingly effective strategy indeed.
Yeh any ailment that gives increased crit chance like fear/confusion/distress. We use fear since you cant have full hp to use any heal item and confuse would mean you never get a turn to act so you need turns to use a hp cost move to drain your own hp on purpose. And distress while good cannot be self inflicted. Luckily weird Takoyaki gives fear while only healing 100 unlike every other ailment heal.
You dont need to null light and dark since homunculus work but insta kills remove ailments which creates more rng. So either Archangel with Null Dark or Gurulu with Null Light work here
guys how u get repel slash and strike
Reaper: *breaths*
Me: No u
Okay how did you get the reflect skills though
Skill mutations. It's in the description. For every strategy I do in all my challenges I explain the method behind the fighting and how I acquired what I did. Lots of save loading until I got the desired outcome. Fuse till tier 1 -> 2. Fuse the result persona with another till tier 2 -> 3. Repeat till tier 6. Repels are tier 7 so save scum till I get the repel mutation. Repeat for the other 3 skills (2 being the other repels and 1 being Null Dark). You can inherit them so it doesnt matter what persona gets it as long as I make sure to pass it down each time once I have it. You can only pass 4 moves at once (5 if special fusion but I cant at this level) so I chose 3 repels and 1 null dark. The other 4 skills were from skill cards.
Wait how did you get Arahabaki at level 16? I'm assuming fusion accident
I didn't use Arahabaki its in the video I use Archangel and skill mutations. I assume you saw Meovvcats twitter post where he did. This video was where he got the knowledge from
@@Ziroikabi oh gotcha
Fucking genius daamn
Wow! @cantthinkofbettername5065 is the real Fuuka, isn't it?
I thought you were gonna hack and use Armageddon or smth but this satisfies me too
I just got my ass beat by the reaper and now I see a lvl 16 beat it, never felt like having a massive skill issue as much as this one xD
How much time to fuse an archangel like this?
It took a long time. At first I wasnt even fusing for an archangel. All you do is fuse 2 personas till a tier 1 skill mutates to tier 2. Fuse the result with something else till tier 2 becomes tier 3 all the way to tier 6 then save and reload until you get the tier 7 mutation to be a Repel skill. Repeat for all 3 and the Null Dark and they are inheritable so you can just fuse archangel with the ingredient having the 4 moves and pass them over easily. The worst part is its a bit expensive and since I was doing it at minimum level possible you have to work for money or do what I did and smash breakable objects to then sell. More time than it’s probably worth doing I was just trying to actualise a theory about the reaper based on his AI
Edit: Null Dark is a tier 6 just to clarify
@@Ziroikabi where can I find the tier list?
The list of skill tiers is on the fusion calculator here in the rank column: aqiu384.github.io/megaten-fusion-tool/p3r/skills
For optimising your fusions if you want to try yourself you can use the mutation calculator CTOBN made who datamined the game: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dCF7onbPpLt_tHT28d8Dnm2F_-DTCOcbhIe0_tOgdqY/edit#gid=684396403
@@ZiroikabiI don't understand how it works,could you help? I want repel strike and I'm fusing personas during 9/4
What personas have you got and their skills
Funy how low % runs are usually harder than normal runs, reeper low% need so much preps
Oh definitely. Speedrunners can get to endgame in around 10 hours on merciless. It took me MUCH longer than that just to do the mutating alone. Even a casual playthrough would likely be faster to fight the reaper lol