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Why are some Americans so strongly opposed to gay marriage? Henry Rollins is convinced that not so many people are actually opposed. Instead he sees it as a fundraising tool for small fringe groups.
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HENRY ROLLINS:
Henry Rollins is an American singer-songwriter, spoken word artist, writer, comedian, publisher, actor, and radio DJ. After performing for the short-lived Washington D.C.-based band State of Alert in 1980, Rollins fronted the California hardcore punk band Black Flag from August 1981 until mid-1986. Following the band's breakup, Rollins soon established the record label and publishing company 2.13.61 to release his spoken word albums, as well as forming the Rollins Band, which toured with a number of lineups from 1987 until 2003, and during 2006. Since Black Flag, Rollins has embarked on projects covering a variety of media. He has hosted numerous radio shows, such as Harmony in My Head on Indie 103, and television shows such as The Henry Rollins Show, MTV's 120 Minutes, and Jackass. He had a recurring dramatic role in the second season of Sons of Anarchy and has also had roles in several films. Rollins has also campaigned for various political causes in the United States, including promoting LGBT rights, World Hunger Relief, and an end to war in particular, and tours overseas with the United Service Organizations to entertain American troops.
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@Canaan Eric Definitely, I've been using flixzone for since december myself =)
Thought this was bot spam, haha!
Punk's not dead; it's just middle aged and goes to bed at a decent hour.
😄😄😄😄😄
POTUS YUUUGE BIGLY Oh shut up you'd shit your pants if "the militia" started killing civilians.
You've just been crowned king of the internet
@POTUS YUUUGE COCK fuuuuuuuuuk yooooooooouuu
@google Lavon Affair oh fuck ypu
"What they don't realize is.. they're surrounded by The Gay"
I love you so much hardcore grampa
Nothing hardcore about selling out to Nazi ideology, brother.
@@michaelmorrow607 what does that intrinsically mean? Nothing. You're just saying that to stay relevant.
@@michaelmorrow607 can you expand?
@@michaelmorrow607 I am yet to understand how standing up for people who are shamed and socially reprimanded for engaging in love and sexuality is "nazi ideology" so please enlighten me what is so nazi about it. Take my advice, stop clumping words together into empty catch-all politically charged spiteful words.
@@michaelmorrow607 the whole punk movement was super progressive politically and imo punk is hardcore asf
People forget Punk was initially created by a diverse, multi-cultural bunch of people who had open minds and wanted to change things. Acceptance of anything is a very punk attitude I think.
Christopher Fox You don't know a shit about punk
@@agustinbudin1107 naughty hispanic people
the same way folks believe kirk hammet makes a great cup of tea hahaha!
It did I lived it.
Acceptance is anti punk ...punk was against the establishment now acceptance liberals are the eatablishment ....punk rockers would never be for forcing people to like something they dont like
Listening to Henry Rollins stand up when I was 13 with my dad is part of why I felt comfortable coming out. He’s still great.
this guy is what mr rogers would be like as a punk rocker
Mr. Rogers was a good dude, too.
Now I just want a black flag cover of won't you be my neighbor
P A I can hear it in my head
Henry Rollins has been punk for decades....now he's just another brainwashed and indoctrinated Leftist robot. Parroting the agenda of the establishment....who use false social justice narratives to gain political power. They can give a shit less about any of the issues/narratives they push. It's all about manipulating peoples emotions.
@@Abruzzo333 bruh this comment is 5 years old miss me with that shit
I love how he keeps saying "the gay"! sounds funny, but he's such a good, intelligent guy.
Because 'good' guys insult entire nations?
Sure. The guy's is a dick and always has been.
@@iconoclasttastic9258 For a long time he was, and he is well aware of that. However he has changed for the better whether you believe it or not.
@@iconoclasttastic9258 what did he say? Against what nation? Im genuinely curious
@@iconoclasttastic9258 your nationalist is showing.
@@storbokki371 Your ignorance is more obvious. I'm nothing of the sort - an anarchist; the antithesis in fact. Grow up.
I'm Gay and this video made me tear up. We need more people like Henry Rollins.
@ldyson22 looks like he offended you. Maybe he's just not a bag of dog crap...like most of the people I've run into who hate "PC". "PC" is another way to show kindness. I guess there's always one person who hates themselves so much that it spills over into the outside world. I hope those miserable people learn that kindness is not a bad word.
@Rex Rad, damn straight!
No pun intended.
@ldyson22 You embody 6:52 in this clip.
@ldyson22 Damn! Sorry, I didn’t mean to give you more masterbaiting material. Enjoy your bullshit existence. I don’t care what you really are trying to say, I wish I understood you, but you are far gone girl.
me too
Use the gay, Luke.
Chicken Permission haha! Yesssss
Chicken Permission 😂😂😂😂😂
Will Hush hahahah
This comment actually made me roll on the ground laughing.
I imagine a person who can control gay people for his own nefarious needs 😂😂😂
@@hman2912 'what do you use them for'
'TO LOOK FABULOUS SILLY!' hahaha
"The Gay."
"gay pirates, gay samurai"- Henry Rollins
First time sentences 😂
Omg when he said homophobia is an endangered species as long as he's around I just teared up.
Thank you Henry that means a lot.
Yours is an old comment now, but you put in one sentence what took me paragraphs. Henry is a seriously underappreciated human. His acting has portrayed some troubling aspects of humanity, but that's because he's just a great actor--and I think too many people have only seen him as an actor. They've not seen him as a musician, and CERTAINLY not as the wonderfully complex and just plain GOOD person at heart that he really is. We should all ascribe to be more like him.
I've come to respect this man more and more
Is long he disnae shove it ma arse
LEARN ENGLISH BEFORE YOU TRY AND COMMENT IN ENGLISH.
@google Lavon Affair Ahhh, so an openly kind of nazi. Sure is gonna make it easier for AntiFa fans of Rollins. I am just gonna sit back and enjoy the carnage.
google Lavon Affair Fucking nazi shit head
@@maxthescarecrow4038
Antifa are uninformed morons and 'useful idiots'' for the islamofascists (who are the REAL antisemites/antijudaist scum) ,
they hide behind masks (and use NAZI TACTICS THEMSELVES) when they try to force their ''policor'' bullshit onto others who want to protest the undermining of democracy on the streets.
Man I love this guy! He's as much of a hard ass as it gets yet he still has a very open mind.
Old school punks are great people. Do as you want.
Whenever I listen to Henry Rollins I always have a hard time seeing him as the guy that played a neo-nazi. Love his acting.
Alan Gebhardtsbauer
He is real with his characters, very few are like that, and most of them die early.
Among those neo-nazis in SoA I just liked him - not for his character, but for the way he reallybrought this character to life with only those few minutes on the screen. Back then I didn't even knew about him as singer.
Judged without prejudices.
@@Bififress0r Funny how you shortened it to SoA. The first band he was in was a hardcore punk band called State of Alert, usually shortened to SoA.
@@Electrk Aye, but also the abbreviation of Sons of Anarchy ;)
"Oh no, not my ramones first pressing!" Hahaha
"The Gay"
Ugh yeah haha. He made some goodl points, but it felt like chalkboard grinding everytime he said that.
@@steamedauroraborealis8208 he does that with other stuff too, he thinks it sounds funny
The Gay, as in those that are gay.. deng comprehension has declined..
Nah it doesn't
Henry is, yeah.
see I'm a punk rocker but I'm old now old and wise
being older means I'm smarter even though none of my positions have changed
since I was an edgy teenager
- Henry Rollins
See, I knew him when he was 18 and he would always talk about how smarter and wiser he would be ("as middle-aged Henry"), and reflect back to "these days". He's someone who is committed to his opinions. We were all scared of him because it was evident (even way back then) he was different. I still dont know how he became so damn famous but he is.
@@NitroRCNerds He is truly a very authentic person, and that is valuable. Most people have fake attitudes nowadays.
Im a muslim, living in the netherlands. And i respect the gay, lesbian and bi's. I dont get the big deal. Why would anyone stick there nose in other ones buisness? I respect everyone. And everyone deserves freedom, so choose any gender you want to. No one should change who you are.
touching, honestly :)
Please people don't answer
formdoggie5
What ive learned after reading the Quran was that ill be judged by god by my actions. Sure there are things that i dont see as 'good' but those books are very old my friend. I personally think that religious books are guidelines. Not rules to live your life in a certain way. There is a pretty cool quote that i would like to share with you; "You don't need religion to have morals. If you cant determine right from wrong, you lack empathy not religion." The stereotypical "religious people" would probably support what you said. But for me, pray for hate? I'll pass... I wish everyone the best of luck, love and happiness in hes/her life. :)
I believe the perception among the people who believe gay marriage should be prohibited is the reverse of your characterization of sticking one's nose in another's private affairs. They believe that the act of seeking to sanction marriage is a political and public act. Aside from certain legal aspects, people lobbying for gay marriage are implicitly asking for legitimacy by asking the government to sanction them.
I would argue the government has no such authority. Or that to the degree that it does, marriage is being redefined in terms of the state's permission to marry, which is ultimately an effort to seek recognition, which implies that the collective view of government officials has some moral, solidifying weight to one's desire to be with another human being.
Someone poking there nose into another's affair would be telling people what they can and cannot do. Asking the government to say what you are doing is legit is asking the public to endorse your lifestyle. And they are free to do that.
I do not so much want to argue the merits or lack of merit of allowing gay marriage, as much as to point out that opposition to a lifestyle is not a insertion into that person's life in any way. Not by itself.
The government does not prohibit people from spending their lives with one another. They just don't (well, there are a few exception with a few states) endorse gay marriage.
And if the government stopped endorsing straight marriage, I would live in good conscience as to my lifestyle, and I would certainly lobby to reclaim certain legal benefits, but aside from that the governments stamp of approval is itself an instrusion.
If some welcome that then they ask for intrusion, and I do not feel sorry for that intrusion. I can sympathize with their feelings of alienation. But in asking the government for approval they are asking everyone to approve, and not everyone does.
***** I don't really take offense in these things, I hope you do not perceive me to be heated or angry. and this is not quite in the same vein of the remark regarding sexuality but more about morals. I find that I do need religion to have morals. I do not lack empathy for sure. I was once an atheist, before that a skeptic (in the decarte sense), and I did empathize with other people but I did not believe there was any right or wrong. I was ignorant concerning philosophy and religion then, but I understood it to be a natural consequence of atheism. that morality was just socio-biological evolution. I myself am unable to believe in morality as an objective fact outside of religion. In fact it was my belief in right and wrong that brought me to religion. I was just unwilling to accept that I was cursed with this phantom sense that was every bit as real to me as any other sense. That only got me as far as theism, but there it is. I would say religion is prerequisite to objective morality, and that there is no moral obligation to honor subjective morality. sure, i feel the desire to be nice to nice people and help others, but there is no moral justification for loyalty to morality. or to say it differently, there is no moral obligation to be moral if morality does not pre-exist myself and my judgements. so i was a nihilist. but now i am not.
Thing that bothers me about the anti-gay and pro-life religious folk is what the hell has it got to do with them anyway. So what if you don't agree, keep it to yourself and let others choose their own path.
person8203 fuckyeah. Preach it!
person8203, SO well said. Thank you.
but watch them cry 'religious freedom' when the government or companies try to treat other people equally and fairly.
Exactly. Doesn't God say we get free will?? IF that storybook entity ever was real, his people sure contraindicate him a lot.
Today some guy took it in the ass, some girl got a mouthful of pussy. This didn't affect anyone else, the world kept on spinning. The End.
"Gay pirates, gay samurai, gay everything!"
Tumblr in a nutshell.
Gay Crusaders, Gay 300-Like Soldiers, Gay Rebels/Revolutionaries
I am not gay, but I have know many gay men and woman. When I was 8 years old I spent weeks at the hospital with a gay friend that I grew up with. I can not express in words watching someone die of aids and I will not forget his last words. People are people regardless of sex, color or creed. He will forever be in my thoughts.....RIP
What were his last words,do you remember?
Rollins for PRESIDENT, No Joke
He's too intelligent to waste his time with that
+Juana Cardenas He was in Black Flag.
+Sleekcartim .sleekcartim Yes!!! I agree.
+Sleekcartim .sleekcartim He'd get my vote.
+Sleekcartim .sleekcartim Considering the current contenders in the parties, Henry would be a breath of fresh air....
2:54 LOVE when he says this- "Your opinion doesn't matter here." DAMN RIGHT!
It is not often a straight person stands up so strongly for gay rights. Thanks.
We don't know that he's straight.
@@notfree2899 YOU don't, WE do.
Henry Rollins helped me come as gay thank you Henry Rollins I am glad you are my ally
@TheBoi353 I'm gonna presume they're a closet case, or someone who's incredibly damaged.
google Lavon Affair, you’re the endangered species
@TheBoi353 Because THEY are getting more sex than Lavon is.
Henry Rollins is the most down to earth kick ass guy in the world.
John Thomas wow really?
@@johnthomas338 Just come out already.
John Thomas For an allegedly straight guy, you seem to care an awful lot about where other men put their penises... The gaydar is off the charts right now, goddamn
When he calls them "the gay" I wanna laugh.
True. Lol
Reading some of the comments below, some arguments are pretty weak. Marriage has been redefined many many times, and you don't need to get married to reproduce. My brother has a kid and he's never been married.
And some people who are married never have kids!
exactly.
idontsignin What is marriage?
my definition of it is a union between 2 people that love each other
Can I marry my granddad now?
Great, well thought out speech by the ever brilliant Mr Rollins. I’m pretty shocked at some of the hateful, homophobic comments in the comments section though. Surely if you’re a Black Flag fan you’d agree that fighting intolerance and hate is a very positive thing?
The story about his bullied classmate is particularly poignant, shocking that people/kids have to put up with abuse for who they are. Many forms of hatred such as racism and homophobia spring from ignorance and fear. Time to RISE ABOVE the hatred people!
As part of The Gay, and being a huge Black Flag fan, bless this man. 😂🖤
I would go The Straight, for Rollins, 😂 - Beautiful fckr ages like fine wine
"... The lawn looks fantastic!"
Damn right it does!
I fuckin' love Hank, he's badass but very intelligent and on any subject, brings up nuances I would've never thought of. And he's absolutely right, if every LGBT person disappeared overnight, the uptight religious right wingers would need to scramble for others to hate on.
Henry Rollins has turn into a pussy the truth is that two man or two women bonding together is a union no a marriage - marriage is and forever will be a man and a woman. nothing to do with religion
Using your own words - If every LGBT person disappeared from the world tomorrow everything would be fine now flip that and try to live in a world where every one is either gay or lesbian - That would be one fuck up world
I take it you vote Republican? lmao. What are you even watching this for? I don't go over to Fox News crap and bug them
+Juana Cardenas Well I agree with that comment and I'm straight so "flip that" and work it out for yourself how the world would be. x
What's with all the conservatives trolling this video? If you don't like Hank or agree with him, don't freaking watch it lol.
One of my best friends and I argued with a homophobe once, and my friend made an incredible point that just left me awestruck...He said, "I was born straight, I didn't choose to be straight, I just am! How is it any different for someone that is gay...?" The man walked away from both of us...It was so inspiring, I openly admitted to him later that day that I was Bi-Sexual, and it didn't change our friendship one bit!
I really appreciate Allie’s who genuinely feel upset for us when people tell us that being gay is wrong or a choice. That’s a real ally right there. (Sorry to respond to such an old comment lol)
Henry Rollins is a seriously cool cat.
have you ever seen that video of him bullying a young kid that's interviewing him? I lost respect with him, I can't get with that. if your gonna pick on anyone pick on someone who wants a fight. and young kids are finding out who they are, that's what he bullied the kid for. for not knowing his true identity. Henry Rollins seems like a spoilt kid to me
kyle grant To be fair though, he was in his 20s and the inteviewer didn't seem much younger, the inteviewer was kind of a dick himself, im sure Rollins was exhusted from preforming, and he even admitted he was an asshole in his younger days, so... yea
dont piss em off lol have u seen his interview from 84?
@@kmma1094 Dude that video is like so fucking old that both the interviewer and Rollins are in the same retirement complex. Don't bring up past mistakes. Leave the past behind us. Rollins is a damn fine dude. He learned from his mistakes and he saw the world for what it is and clearly bettered himself. Our upbringings don't define us, the legacy we leave behind does.
Is cool cat code for gay weetodd?
I'll never understand people who are against gays. It's like one guy likes dogs, the other likes cats. The guy that likes dogs thinks it immoral and completely sick to like cats, so nobody should like cats and people that like cats are mentally ill and should not have the right to own a cat. I just don't get it.
You know what though? Siegfried and Roy owned tigers, and tigers are cats, and one of them mauled the couple. Look, as a gay man I'm in no way against gay marriage, don't get me wrong, however it's my god given right to hate cats!
Elisha turned around, looked at them and called down a curse in the name of the lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled 42 of the youths.
===2kings 2:23-24===
When you read that line, when you truly start to understand the lord and his ways, you can no longer love cats for they are abominations, bringers of great droughts, and famine, and some times pee on your linens with the intent of defacing that really sweet, and ironic Bob Ross shirt you found on sell at Value Village. Cats are evil...
It never said anything about that, just that depending on the version of the bible you read, they mauled, or killed the youths, and they are always youths. I think they mocked Elisha for being bald too, so you know... FUCK kids! Also it has allot to do with cats, and you know it does.
King Sasquatch i 'm pretty sure they're just disgusted by it.
King Sasquatch People are way too prude to think of sexuality as simply as that. That is the real issue.
Yeah cats suck
happy to name this guy my role model
TheDallywally13 you picked a good one brother wish I chose him when I was a teenager instead of Hunter S Thompson lol
John Thomas Actually most cases of rape in foster homes occur in straight households at the hands of the family’s biological children. Your bullshit rhetoric is the reason kids end up in dangerous homes instead of loving, safe homosexual homes. Fuck you.
Ryan Christensen lmaooooo
google Lavon Affair funny how A, he’s not Jewish B, you proved you’re intellectual inadequacy in one incomplete sentence and C, the hell you probably tell gays that they’re going to end up in is exactly the place for you. Fuck off you hateful slime.
Do what makes you happy, if you like woman that's fine , if you like guys that is also fine.
who am i the tell you what you can and can't do.
life is love and life is agony and you should be free to share the love and agony with who you want
Standing Ovation for your comment.
“Gay rights is civil rights.”
Exactly!
Topic itself aside, (and I still agree with what he says), Henry Rollins just became one of my favorite people in the world. He's so down to earth and sincere. A good guy basically. You rock Henry!
Henry Rollins is such an insightful and fantastic human being. All his videos are inspiring.
I’m just seeing this now after 6 years. Well said Henry. I find myself listening to him and saying to myself “right” and “exactly”.
Henry is started to get a raspy, old grandpa kind of voice.... I like it.
Aging better than Robert Smith. OMG! :-)
Why don't others just stay out of others lives.
Because they take a fictitious book seriously.
"Gay pirates... gay samurai... gay everything." So awesome. Love this guy.
I love the way he talks. He just has such well crafted speech. I wish I could talk like that. The guy just pours fucking tolerance and wisdom from his mouth.
It's better and richer than tolerance... It's acceptance. I love the way he talks, too.
I became a fan of Henry Rollins AFTER I saw an extended interview like this.
The interviewer was asking very personal questions and he responded fully and honestly. Most reviewing and I wish I could find the interview again.Most
His willingness to open up and even be vulnerable, compelled me to listen to his music.
1:50 was it the wife or the record collection who gets chainsawed? 😁
If you gotta ask you'll never know.
@frank bonini relax
@ldyson22 explain
I'm straight, married 30 years, 4 kids, more conservative than anything AND....
I could give a damn what others do. I'm fairly certain that I wasn't put on this earth to cast judgement on others. As long as you don't hurt others or infringe on others rights.
None of them ever got married and right now are marching and singing about coming for our kids. Rollins is just another member of the freemaysons like all entertainers are. His task is to take the west away from Jesus like they all do.
i find it strange a gay rights video always attracts it's opponents as well as the anti gay rights attracting gay rights people. Why do you do this? do you enjoy fighting and conflict?
It is most definitely the latter option *points at above comments of hate and filth spewing back and forth.*
people act like they dont like action but they really do so they settle it out in fights
YES. haha. Gotta hash it out!
allen b Sometimes it's just how their minds were crafted as Children. If this was the 30's and I was a young child with average parents, I would most likely have negative feelings towards African-Americans during parts of my life.
allen b - Yes, they can't live without fear and enemies to hate. Hate is like air for them.
"...she can go on eBay and overpay, like I did... " lol
Can't help but have lots of
love and respect for Henry! Specially me being gay and punk and 38 years old.
COULD NOT... have said this any better. BRAVO!! *Standing ovation!*
In the thumbnail he seems like: ''OH NO! KEEP THAT SHIT AWAY FROM ME!''
lol
clickbait
+Jeroen Verbeeck It's not click bait.
more like "don't get me wrong!" i think
If you have a friend, a child or even acquaintance who are gay, and you think their sexuality is a choice or some kind of trend, here’s what you can do to change their mind: for about a year change your own sexuality to show them how easy it is. Stop being a heterosexual to demonstrate that it is only a choice. Lead by an example; be a good sport.
I was a gay kid of the 70's Ian Curtis and Henry Rollins got me through puberty I leave it at that. Thanks for being an ally all these years.
The only differences between a Christian fundamentalist, and an Islamic fundamentalist are a different book, and a different prophet. Everything else is rather identical.
It’s funny seeing the Texas GOP claim opposition to sharia law, while at the same time advocating for the criminalization of homosexuality. Since homosexuality being illegal is the single most distinct and known criteria of sharia law.
I am already so embarrassed for how future generations will look back at us for homophobia.
In the same way we have to stop and remind ourselves there was a time that people didn't know that the Sun is the centre of our solar system; or that reproduction occurs by gene-mixing and that this dictates our physical makeup. Hell, one day it'll be difficult for most people to imagine a time without the internet.
One day people's first automatic thought when learning about homophobia will be, "God, they must have been stupid."
And thanks to the internet they will be able to speed-search youtube comments and find all the nonsense that misguided people thought and wrote as irrefutable evidence that, " . . . yup, a lot of them were definitely stupid."
WTF was that about?
You should be more embarrassed by this post.
FeedMeSeymor, sin is real. Bible too
Henry, if I'm ever in CA can I please take you out for coffee and just let you talk?
I've been following you for decades, and you just make my soul happy.
Henry Rollins is my hero!
jenna thesingingdraghagdiva sad
And he's cuddly to boot !
That's it, 7:54, a lot of people just like to hate.
I've always wondered if Henry was maybe gay. Not that it really matters.
he isn't gay
Will it change your opinion on him?
Yes, tie him to a steak! No...not at all. I like Henry. He's pretty outspoken on any topic, but he seems to keep any personal relationship conversations pretty guarded. Again, not that it really matters.
My suspicion is that Heidi May might have an opinion on that. She might be more likely to gut you with a straight razor than to tell you, but if there are opinions to be had thusly, she's probably their curator.
yeah, tie him to a piece of meat!!!
Marriage shouldn't even be a part of the legal system, as it's a religious ceremony.
Give everyone civil unions.
keep religion out of government.
Marriage actually started out as a contract between (typically) waring families, or families that wanted to have better trading deals, it had nothing to do with religion.
I’ve been a fan of this guy since the nineties, and now I respect him as a person as well.
Love is love, if that bothers you then it's your problem
Henry Rollins is by every pretense of the word, my spirit animal. If even half of the 300+ million people in this country were like him, stuff would actually get done
I see the point he is trying to make, but if people are as okay with gay marriage, as he is saying they are, then it wouldn't be such a great fundraising tool. With that being said, Henry Rollins is the shit.
Its a great fundraising tool because it feeds off of the greatest fundraising tool....Organized Religion....
Trae Shorter The religious right is still in the minority in this country. Jerry rigging is the problem. Quarter them off, feed them the bullshit they want to hear, and you effectively influenced politics on a national level.
Jerry Rigging the voting districts, is what makes these religious assholes powerful.
ski czar Eheeemmm* gerrymandering *ehmmmemmem. Excuse me.
Gage Bryers Did you fart?
I came here to hear him talk about gay marriage but I validated my stance on abortion, we don't want it to happen, but it should be safe when it *is* done. If a man can have a vasectomy why can't a woman get an abortion.
It is a little entertaining to see Henry Rollins, one of the most famous of the hardcore punk movement, present such a calm, rational, and reasonable argument.
have you ever listened to ian mackaye? He's super intelligent.
I haven't, but I don't doubt it. I'll have to check it out. Thanks.
No problem.
let's go hit the bushes and see what's up... hahaha :)
You have heard of THE GAY, but have you heard of THE BIG GAY
I have grown up with 2 wonderful, beautiful aunts who are a lesbian couple. My mom always taught me, "You love who you love, gender doesn't matter." It was always normal for me to be around gay people and I never took issue with it. It was natural. One thing I have to point out is, being gay is not just about having sex, it's about love, partnership and caring for another human, no matter their gender. If there is an attraction sexually, wonderful. But I think a lot of people only believe it's about the sexual aspect and not the mental, emotional, and pure human attraction.
Being a high-function person with special needs (I was diagnosed with ASD in my late pre-teens), I have come to this conclusion: There is nothing so "different" about people, regardless of their race, religion, sexuality, etc. that constitutes a need to treat them in such a way except as human. I dealt with a moderate level of ostracism growing up in the 80s and 90s - namely amongst undereducated parents and their children that they tyrannically enforced such a mindset - and if you were in the same boat as me, you see how people who are non-white, non-Christian, LGBTQ or similar demographics are mistreated. Such behavior NEEDS to come to an end, and the sooner the better.
As being autistic myself and part of the lgbtq+ community and being African American I find Henry a very insightful yet blunt yet introspective and having humanity
Mr. Rollins states that gay marriage is covered by, and should be allowed because of, the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America. I completely disagree with that statement. However, I do feel that the first sentence of the second paragraph of the Declaration of Independence more than gives them that right. Before the hyphen in the sentence, it states that: " We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." So, not only are gay people equal to straight people, they also have a right to pursue happiness in whatever way they see fit, so long as it does not infringe upon the Rights of another citizen of the US. So, if they are equal, that means they get and deserve everything that is granted to straight people, this includes marriage. And considering that marriage does not, in any way, infringe on the Rights of anyone, that means that if marriage would make a couple of gay people happy, then there is nothing that can be done to stop them from being married.
So why did the people who wrote the Declaration of Independence disagree with gay marriage?
David Green They did agree with slavery. Their moral compasses aren't for following.
I'm interested in their writings on the subject of homosexuality or gay marriage though. I wasn't aware of those and would be interested to read them.
I'm not saying anything about their moral compass. I'm just pointing out that they didn't agree with gay marriage and hence they wouldn't write a document which supports gay marriage. So obviously the constitution is being interpreted in a way which its authors did not intend.
In terms of whether they did or didn't agree with gay marriage I would say that since virtually nobody agreed with gay marriage back then the burden of proof is to show that they did support gay marriage, otherwise we have to assume what is very likely; that they didn't support it.
Also in regards to your statement: "So, not only are gay people equal to straight people, they also have a right to pursue happiness in whatever way they see fit, so long as it does not infringe upon the Rights of another citizen of the US." Couldn't this same argument be used to demand that incest be legalised?
In all honesty, yes the statement I made could be used as a basis for anything, but, then you would have to look at things like this, has gay marriage ever caused a single birth of a deformed child? The answer is obviously no. However incest has done that.
I feel that the only reason they would be "against it," is because in their time it was no a major political topic. But, something that is to be noted, is that same sex marriage did occur in that time, because Native American tribes were practicing same sex marriage, so it wasn't something that was unheard of.
Video Watcher Guy Fair enough. But what if an incestuous couple never had children, e.g. they always used contraception or one of them was infertile? Would it then be ok? What if a brother and sister were genuinely in love with each other and wanted to be married. If they are equal then why don't they get the right to pursue happiness in whatever way they see fit?
If same sex marriage did occur in that time but it wasn't permissible in the US then surely it is an indication that the founding fathers really did oppose same sex marriage.
Also I wasn't particularly trying to oppose same sex marriage in this comment (although as you can probably guess I do oppose it), I'm just trying to point out that if people use the constitution to say that banning same sex marriage is unconstitutional then obviously they aren't interpreting it in the way it was intended; rather in the way that they want to.
I went to architecture school, and a huge number of my friends and classmates were gays still living in the closet. The funny thing is that I never thought about it, I never saw their sexuality as the main aspect that defined who they were. your sexuality should not be what defines you. My closest gay friends just want to have a normal life they should be part of our societey as anyone else. the more normal same sex marriage becomes, the better we will be as society
My biggest embarrassment as an Australian is that the Christian dominated US adopted marriage equality before we did🙄
The only reason gay marriage should not exist is due to religious reasons. Aside from that, there is no reason gay people shouldn't get married. So, the short story is, if you dont like gay marriage, dont marry a gay person. Else, its none of your business
darthspeaks "The Bible describes marriage as a man and a woman."---And what about that makes you think that definition offers the best possible morality? Don't you think we can do better than that?
Describe "better than that." What offers society better benefits than one man and one woman? What offers our country better well-being than one man, one woman?
Can two men provide off-spring that will replace workers, to keep the economy going? Can two women produce children that will take over for local, federal, and world leaders?
No? Then how can that be "better" than what we have, and what the vast majority of all human civilizations have already decided on was the "best"?
amanda2324 Two men or two women can provide FOR offspring that have been left by a man and a woman. They can even provide offspring of their own through donors and surrogates, so the procreation argument falls apart pretty quickly. It's also an argument that diminishes every other contribution a person can make to society besides adding more new people to it.
So, how can it be better? Well, by a society having marriage as an option for homosexual relationships, and encouraging marriage for homosexual relationships, you do two things: remove stigma and encourage monogamy. Both of those are good for society!
Removing stigma is good for society, because it makes those people and their families more able to participate in society with less fear. It also lets them feel more a part of society, causing less of the fear and self-destructive behavior that comes from active and government-enforced stigma. If society tells a group of people that they have no place in it, they can become suicidal, make dangerous choices, and care less about their own health and well-being, which can effect the health and well-being of people around them.
Encouraging monogamy is good for society, because it discourages the spread of disease and creates stability. When a society will not allow for a group of people to pursue monogamy and persecutes them for any relationship, there is no societal reason for them to be in a committed and healthy relationship. Giving them the goal of marriage encourages people to find stability and discourages unsafe promiscuity. Sure, it hasn't eradicated disease, instability and unsafe promiscuity in heterosexuals who are currently encouraged to marry, but it does help.
What you ignore, though, is the unintended consequences of seeing same-sex relationships as "normal" and something that the government should recognize as little different from opposite-sex couples. When in fact, they are drastically different. One not only contributes to society what no other type of relationship can - procreation, as well as providing their children with a male and female role-model.
Same-sex couples display an inherent sexism. One sex is unneeded, unwanted, should be disregarded, ignored, and omitted. That is the fundamental basis of a same-sex relationship - they don't like the other sex, so they purposefully exclude the other sex from their relationship. Why should we promote this sort of "head of a family" when it inherently fails to provide children with role models of both sexes, and promotes the idea that one or both sexes can be safely disposed of and purposefully excluded?
The only reason you have stated, then, that same-sex couples could be beneficial is (maybe) because they can raise children. Well, so can incestuous couples, polygamous couples, and in other countries, marriages between a full grown man and an underaged girl are also raising children. Should we stigmatize these couples, pairings, and families? Should we remove it so that these other "types of families" can be free to form and live their lives without fear?
But a more important point: the only reason that same-sex couples are seen as so-called "needed" to raise children is because there are children from other relationships that need to be raised. But once that problem is eliminated, then there is no need for same-sex couples. So same-sex couples are only "conditionally" anywhere close to being as beneficial to society as opposite-sex couples, but in reality, no matter what you do, they will never, ever be as good for society as a whole, and children specifically, as opposite-sex couples.
You say they can use donors and surrogates to create their own children, but then say that they should be monogamous? That's contradictory at best, hypocritical at worst. And so you also promote the idea that there's something fundamentally flawed with their union - they desire children, but biology and reality tell them "No, you two may not have children."
On the point of encouraging monogamy - what a lie! You obviously know very little of the LGBT community. Many scoff and mock at the idea of monogamy, even when they are married! Many say it is even an insult to their sexual identity to suggest that they should be limited to one partner, even if they do get to get married. Promotes monogamy, don't make me laugh... only in opposite-sex couples does marriage really decrease the chances of either partner having sexual relationships with an outside party. In a lot of same-sex relationships, not only do /both parties/ go out and have sex with third parties, both individuals know about it, talk about it, agree to it, etc. It's also laughable, though very much sad indeed, that you say it "discourages the spread of disease," when homosexuals are the most effected group by the spread of HIV, AIDs, and other sexual diseases. And they've been like that since at least the 80's where, according to the Centers for Disease Control, they accounted for 70% of all cases. Now, considering they're only about 2% of the population, you see where the problem is.
amanda2324 So, there is a large body of obvious facts that you're completely ignoring. Homosexuals are born the way they are. You can't somehow legislate the gay away with denial of basic rights and dignities. Nor do you create homosexuals by removing the needless bigotry surrounding the topic. Nature has built it into the kingdom of animals that some portion of it is to be born homosexual. It happens wheather you like it or not, and there is no law that we can pass that will result in a boom of reproduction in the homosexual population. It's just so stupid of anyone to think so. I hope you don't.
You can do whatever sort of ridiculous acrobatics of non-sequitorial logic you like to, but you have to admit that you are just struggling to hold onto filthy bronze age values because you have attachments to supernatural fairy tales that prevent you from having a sufficient taste for reason and evidence. Even if you aren't religious, you need to know that regardless of where you learned your bigotry from, those stupid ideas are ultimately from the Bible.
How can we get to the business of improving the world when we can't even decide, as a society, against being needlessly cruel to our own people?
Whether homosexuals are born that way or not is irrelevant. Whether society should recognize and promote same-sex couples in the same way as it does opposite-sex couples is the point of discussion. Please make sure you stay on topic.
I'm sorry, but that second paragraph does not address anything I actually said. If you're not going to address my points, please be honest and say so.
What you call "needlessly cruel" another will not see as such. Why I think of as "needlessly cruel," you might think of as such. Using vague terms and labels isn't going to help you make a point, nor further the discussion in any civilized, intelligent, or productive manner.
Again, if you refuse to actually address the points I brought up, please just be honest and say so.
Im not "a gay"....but I definitely agree with ol' Garfield on this one.
Join us. 🤣
Fucking thank you Henry. Closeted all of high school at an all boys school helps me relate quite a bit. I'm 24, almost 25 now, and still struggling with the bullshit.
So .. he's saying marriage is BS so might as well let gays do it? And only 'hateful' and 'fearful' people disagree?
I think you missed the entire point of the video. He says that marriage is not for him because of the 1/2 laws in California. He never says that the concept of marriage is BS.
Sounds about as accurate as all hell :P
Andybaby He said quite a bit about ignorance too.
Aaron Adkins facepalm in your world mabye
I... don't think he said anything about marriage being BS, but I can listen to it again to make sure...
Nope, doesn't look like Henry has anything against marriage. Do you have something against marriage?
When he started speaking about teachers' leadership... oh man... you made my day. If I had respect for Henry Rollins till today, from today my respect goes off the roof!
This from the man who bashed Morrissey.
As an artist.
He also said a while ago now that he's ok with him, took back the whole "if he died in a fire the world would be a better place" bit. Time changes people.
Works for me!
Morrissey is a fucking tool. The world *would* be a better place without him
Sean Conner because Morrissey is a tool bag lol.
Just because you disagree, Henry makes sense. That is why I agree with him but I don't agree with what people do.
"The lawn looks fantastic!" LOL
I have nothing against gays, but I am kind of iffy on people with weird stringy neck muscles....
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Oh. In THAT case, I am just A-OK with people that have weird stringy tendons all over their necks. Hopefully they will be legally allowed to marry one day.......
drk321 That is sooo bad.
Weird
***** Yep, Rollins is built - it's sexy as hell!!!
Henry Rollins you should run for President! You're an awesome dude!
I never thought I'd hear Henry Rollins use the word "gaydar".
This guy has so much common sense.
this man deserves an award
Henry Rollins is one of the most brilliant, thoughtful people any of us will ever hear.
@******** Really? And what about YOUR bogus anti name?
The muscles in his neck stand out far too much when he talks. I can't concentrate.
It's not a question of "happiness". It's a question of "Rights". and rights are for individuals, not groups of people. Not for communities. You don't give rights because of a person's sexual orientation. Dinesh D'Suza explained it perfectly well. A man and a woman are recognized by their State, in any culture, because of marriage as the only privilège given by the State. Why that ? because when they procreate, they preserve the survival of a nation
"Hello September!"
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Awesome video.
For some it is not an issue of gay marriage, but rather separation of Church and State. Marriage should be a ceremonial issue only for the church. Dependency, inheritance, power of attorney, etc. are all determinable by other laws, other records, and a government license based upon government interference and assumption of religious traditional authority is an entanglement of government in religion that violates the Lemon Test.
With the abolition of governmental marriage licensing, everyone becomes equal. Children cease to be legitimated by a governmental issuance of documents about whether or not their parents have passed through a religious ceremony. What child is illegitimate? All children are legitimately children and our children. There should be no distinguishing between them by law based on the religious practices of their parents.
The real issue for homosexuality is not here in the United States or other enlightened countries. The real issue is in those countries where rape is considered an acceptable form of humiliation for a captured enemy; Where the enemy cannot seek treatment for the harm done to them without being ostracized by their family and people; Where a wife will abandon a husband because he can not be counted upon to defend her if he cannot defend himself; Where if a man reports being tortured and raped he and his assailant will both be put to death based on tribal laws that do not recognize the victim as innocent of the crime.
The issue of same-sex marriage is just like the issue of LGBT bathrooms, it is a matter of privacy. People should not have to be intimate in ways that make them feel insecure. Some things should simply be done in private, such a single occupancy bathrooms and showers. Religious ceremonies are for those willing to participate in them, and should be only for them, no one else should be forced to participate in them - nor should people who offend the celebrants be able to disrupt the services. What I find in most cases is that people are focused on the wrong answer because they have framed the wrong social questions.
Adding my 2 cents.
Well said. I am wondering why this argument is not brought up more often. Separation of church and state, right, I agree.
bro. You are up there with rollins. very wise person. you do your research like NO ONE ELSE on youtube. wow. amazing. im awe struck. i have just regained faith in humanity. thats the best thing ive read in the past year bro. youre an admirable guy. im sorry im just. wow
True, in some european countries there is not such thing as a legal marriage. You get a legal union from the geovernment for the tax and inherticance and all that Jazz, then you go to a church to get "married" if you want. Should be the same way here
I disagree. There should be no "legal union" that is just the government aping religion. A person should make a Will and the Will should determine where their inheritance goes. The fact that there are special treatments for persons who are "coupled" and persons who are not is the problem. If a person has been or is legally claimed in taxes as a dependent, then they are a dependent. There should be no filing jointly as husband and wife, spouse, significant other, etc. There should only be the earnings of the individual offset by dependents. A person should have a Living Will declaring who has power of attorney to terminate their life if they are rendered incapable. A person should not be denied visitation in prison or hospital of anyone who wishes to support them - only those who are likely to harm them. There is no good reason for the government to keep registration on who we are screwing. I refuse to accept government registration of weapons as justifiable, I certainly don't believe the government should maintain files on who is expected to have sex with whom.
Kenneth Slayor A will is USELESS for things like hospital visitation and power of attorney. More than just inheritance is determined on legal civil union. child custody encase of separation, hell even the ability to adopt. and most intelligent people dont file joint taxes, every body knows you get more money if you file repeatedly. Fact is, legal union are necessary.
I feel the same as Mr. Rollins; I've pretty-much f*cking had it with homophobes and haters. It's time to stand up and be counted.
@ldyson22 Oddly, I'm OK with that although I will admit that I prefer to fight with words and change people's hearts & minds; however, if they want to go the other way, I'm open to it. I'm kind of old so I think I would be less effective in actually combat. LOL
7:55 minutes full of humanism, intelligence and respect for every living species on this fucking planet.
uncle henry for life !!!
This video kinda made me cry. Henry rocks 🤘 🏳️🌈
"Hello September" hahahahahahhaahahahahaha lost it!!!!
I am always a bit surprised to hear the term "the gay". It sounds a bit like people are referring to another race as opposed to saying "gay people". He doesn't use it in a bad way at all. I am just observing how this phrase seems to have become common place on American videos. I don't think I have heard it in Australia or videos from other countries.