This is Why I Don't Eat Honey
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Could you imagine if aliens kept humans cold because we shiver when we’re cold and it’s natural and therefore good for us
*imagines*
Look, Aliens. Yes, while I have been touch deprived to an unhealthy degree...freezing me to force someone to strip and cuddle me...not a healthy way to provide me my touch needs. You missed the mark by a lot.
😂
Well it would speed up our metabolism lol
A lot of beekeepers are putting insulation on their hives to solve this issue.
Bro, what are you on about?@@MdoubleHB.x
Or make us super hot so we sweat excessively bc it’s natural and therefore “good for us”
My main motivation for avoiding honey was the impact it had on other wild bee species. I had no idea bees were sentient beings, and so now I have another reason, thanks! btw I love your jumper
@wellium123 ...now that you know insects are sentient, you should stop eating. All the food that you eat are killing sentient beings.
@@MdoubleHB.x is that you, Freelee?
@@welium123Please don't engage; it only encourages him. He's on account number 5 now pestering everyone here. Drives me nuts.
Clothes shaver will fix your sweater
Before I became vegan I took a beekeeping class. There were so many things I didn’t realize about beekeeping and how exploitative it was. I never kept bees because of it
Can you give me some more information about the exploitative measures of beekeeping?
So non-vegan backyard beekeeper here, and I basically entirely agree with what you're saying. I live in a relatively warm area in Australia, but one of the many reasons I don't have a Flow Hive (and advise people not to get them) is exactly the insulation problem. Hives made out of polystyrene (painted with UV-proof house paint) are much kinder on the animals, allow them to overwinter far more comfortably, and significantly reduce the likelihood they will decide to move out.
One of the things I love about beekeeping is that the bees can leave whenever they want, and they do. If you don't treat them right, they will absolutely abandon the human-made hive. It's why bees can be thought of as the only animals that are domesticated with consent.
Addit: really weird that this is a recent study, tbh. Every professional beekeeper I've met here in Australia uses polystyrene hives specifically for their insulating properties. Y'all in the global north need to sort yourselves out 🐝
We have bees in a broken down tractor and I love them. I give them a dish of water in summer and they come and visit me when I’m outside. One came up to me and hovered in front of me and then left. I heard that eventually they will start to recognize your face.
I've never heard of any beekeeping trying to cool their bees except in extreme heat and not to the point where the bees feel the need to conserve energy. I don't know anybody who keeps bees industrially, but still. And even from a busyness standpoint, why would anybody make bees lose energy on purpose, while this energy could've been honey. Do I miss something? What is the business incentive to do this?
For the sweater: it’s called pilling, and there are pilling razors you can get to remove them! Works like magic but a bit time consuming 😊
Or a small machine!
thank you!
@@UnnaturalVeganhave u visited India, the land where nost vegetarians live in terms of population and percentage.
For a future episode, maybe you can investigate how well we can encourage native bees to increase in population and do the pollination that we all (including vegans) need. Wild bees don’t give honey but we don’t need that - plenty of other sweeteners out there. If we can paint a pollination story with wild bees, that should help the cause of veganism.
Check out the "ez bees" guys. They're all about providing natural habitats for wild bees.
Honey was the last thing I cut out when I became vegan. My thought process was it does me no harm to not consume it but bees experience harm to bring me that honey. People brought up honey to me and I really had no rebuttals to the question of if they experienced harm but now I have something more to add to that conversation if it comes up again.
With respect Matt 25 v40…
"Whatever we do to the least of those amongst us, we'll end up doing to each other."
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actually they do not talk to a private bee keeper they will explain and as for wild bees losing to domestic ;the wild bee varieties can not pollenate a lot of the crops they just dont pollinate those kind of flowers and plants ; this is a fact not propaganda by industries ; i grew up with several small beekeepers learned alot ; btw if you are against them do not eat drink almond milk or avocados they are pollinated by domestic bees; try science rather than social media blogs and you tubes science can tell you a lot about domestic bees
Yet you have no problems paying someone to intentionally kill other insects with pesticides including wild bee for your unhealthy vegan meals. Hypocrite
A lot of people don't even think what happens to the other guys. Thank you for being empathetic to bees. They sure don't like giving away their hard earned honey
@@sasanach8
Friend, do you have a source for what you're posting?
Right now, it sounds as though you're using the lil' ol' reliable,"It came to me in a dream." one liner.
It never fails.
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Honey was the first thing I cut out and was the thing that inspired me to be vegan
... So i will admit I don't know that much about big ag bee keeping, but I was in the beekeeping community in Seattle for a bit and refrigerating bees not only is NOT a thing here, but we frequently talked about beekeepers in the foothills bringing their bees into garages in the winter if it got too cold.
Cuz yeah... They do huddle together to keep warm and the bees on the outside die first. They won't move sideways to get honey that's next to them, only up, so if the human takes too much for what they'll need, they starve. So the boxes ppl use are the wrong shape to support natural bee wintering behavior. IDK who would think forcing them into that would be good, I've literally never heard a beekeeper in my former group suggest or even mention that. In a tree, they'd be in a hive that's mostly vertical, thicker insulation, etc, and not dealing with someone taking honey and trying to guess how much they'll need to leave so the bees will survive...
Not trying to convince you eating honey is good or bad, but that in my anecdotal evidence, no small keepers refrigerate their bees. The only reason I could think they'd try to cool bees is if the temperature was so hot the hive might die. But that's also why they chose places where the hive has morning light but afternoon shade.
Or they take their hives to the mountains where it's cooler in the summer.
Non vegan beekeeper, I live in an area where it gets cold and was taught its ok for them to be cold as long as the colony is strong going into winter. I bought insulated hives and wrap them. I also put in blankets etc. Most of the beekeepers around me laugh and say i do too much. Ive never lost a colony and they lose them all the time. I've always tried to give them the biggest fighting chance that i can in my power.
I do think its more up and down tempuratures that can hurt a colony more than a regulated cool temperature. Which is the only time im familiar with people keeping colonies cool. I personally have never done this.
I love in the subtropics, this has made me wonder if people still bother to try to recreate the cold here. It would be especially sad for the bees to be suffering in refrigerated hives while it's not even below freezing all winter outside.
*live in the subtropics
This is cool. Thanks for sharing. ❤
Thanks for the content
You need a de-piller for your sweater! I love mine, use it all the time on coats, sweatpants, socks, fabric couches, not just sweaters 😊 refreshes all the things
I can't really phrase it properly right now, but I feel like at this scope you get into a territory where "preventable harm to animals" is somewhat arbitrary. I understand (and mostly support) your ethos of minimizing harm, but when it comes to insect-welfare, why would that start with stopping questionable beekeeping practices, rather than, say, reducing agriculture, selling your car, refusing to fly or refusing to have kids? Having a moral standpoint on the correct temperature to keep bees, yet continuing a fairly comfortable American middle-class lifestyle seems at odds here.
As an afterthought: I wonder whether you have any moral standpoint beyond the issues that concern our consumption. (Slightly weird scenario:) Would you support heating lamps for wild bees in the winter? After all that would prevent harm in, as you say, feeling beings, at least on the short scale.
Just when I think I've heard it all and it can't possibly get any worse...Labyrinth is my favorite movie btw. I also love your sweater!
Well, on the topic at the end there, I did just see a vid by someone working in the ER going through a store and showing all the nice christmas ornaments (and yes, it was trees) and saying to PLEASE not put them anywhere they don't belong. And he sounded desperate. So for quite a few people out there this shape seems to really remind them of something else, so I guess why wouldn't they see it in your trees too? 😂😂
There's this idea I was sold that bees are dying and no bees = no life so we must keep bees even if it's in artificial hives. But not all bees make honey, not all honeybees are local to where honey is produced and there are also many other pollinators besides bees. So I don't really know the right answers that would benefit everyone and cause the least amount of harm to everyone involved.
This is wonderful thanks!
I actually think I could add some valuable insight on this topic as I wrote a review paper on insect nociception (pain perception) for an insect course during my masters of biology. Although it has been thoroughly established that insects can "feel" or sense pain there is no evidence suggesting insects have an emotional perception of said "pain". There's a massive difference between nociception: pain impulse registration through receptors called nociceptors (like mechanical stress, heat, cold, acid,...) and the emotional interpretation of pain. Insects possess only a tiny fraction of the neurons that mammals possess in their nervous system. Not only do they lack the analogous brain structures of mammals for displaying emotions, but the amount of neurons required to process an emotional response to a pain stimulus would likely physically not be able to fit into the body of even the largest of insects. Aside from the physical constraints, it would also make zero sense from an evolutionary standpoint due to the extreme energy requirements of "conscious thought", remember that the human brain uses 20% of our daily energy expenditure, around 400kcal. The energy requirements for conscious thought and the emotional interpretation of pain would be so massive that the fitness of an insect that dedicated that amount of energy to it would be close to zero a.k.a.: it would go extinct.
Insects have vastly different reproductive and survival strategies than more complex animals do, for example: they live a much shorter life with a focus on reproduction and the production of massive amounts of offspring; whereas humans and other mammals have few, but very strong and intelligent offspring. Displaying emotional pain responses would realistically serve no real purpose for insects as the energy expenditure to it would not lead to more and better offspring, as opposed to in mammals where it does. There have been responses recorded that might give the impression of an emotional response to stress or pain like insect larvae moving away from hot needles, but those can easily be explained by instinct rather than emotion.
This is not to say bees shouldn't be treated with respect, all (farm) animals should be treated with respect for life. But the idea that honey is unethical because bees are "sentient" or display emotional pain responses just has no (thorough) evidence in the literature (nociception =/= pain). Bees being sentient would also have very severe consequences. Where would the line by drawn? Are aphids sentient? Are potato beetles sentient? Would it then be ethical to use insecticides in farming? Would it be ethical to eliminate mosquitos carrying malaria?
Removing honey from your diet would also not eliminate contributing to bee "suffering". The vast majority of fruiting crops in western countries are pollinated by industrially reared and managed (bumble)bee colonies, especially greenhouse crops like tomatoes, cucumbers and tomatoes.
You are so correct about bunnies being easily stressed. I have a rabbit and I constantly worry I am not good enough to him.
I did not buy the rabbit (Bruce) I found him dirty and starving with a broken leg after a hurricane so obviously I took him in. He is the sweetest little guy. I have no idea how the people who first bought him could treat him the way they did.
Hey!!! so that thing with your sweater is called pilling. you can use a razor gently over the pilling areas to try and remove the fuzz balls. there are other methods, but the main thing is use "sweater pilling" as a search term.
I don’t know what spiders you are referring to but here in Queensland we have Huntsman Spiders as regular visitors. Mature huntsman are way too big for a glass so we use a large plastic bowl. They are also frighteningly fast too so sadly some actually get accidentally killed when trying to trap them.
They are not one of the many deadly spiders here in Australia but they apparently do have venom and can give a painful bite which fortunately I have yet to experience.
I know that it’s irrational but they scare me to death.
Fearing huge, fast, venomous spiders 🕷️ feels pretty rational to me :)
To get rid of the peels on your sweater you can run a pumas stone over it or a shaving razor :) that’s how we fixed them at a dry cleaner shop I worked at
The way you could end this video positively is by helping us understand what we could do to ethically keep bees. Much like non-commercial poultry/dairy farmers often try to keep their chickens and other livestock in as ideal conditions as possible, some of us might like to know what this engineer found, so we could build or buy better beehives.
About the sweater:
Those little bumps are caused by the dryer. It's caused by rubbing in the qashing machine, the dryer and simply wearing the cloths.
You can shave them off with a wet shaver. Dont wet the shaver or the cloths. There are also little machines for this job.
To avoid them in the future the only thing that helps is ironing after every wash and drying.
Ironing is gereelly good for textiles. It keeps the fibres in order.
Damn but where else can I get a mix of water + sugar + botanicals. I could make it myself (very easily!) but I'd miss the spit and body parts
The sweater is pilling. Small fibers from the threads clump together. Some people will tell you to use a razor but that will damage your sweater. First dry it on cool or on a dlat surface by a fan. Second they make machines that remove the pills without damaging the fabic. I find them in the landry aisle next to hampers, lint rollers, and clothing storage stuff. They can really extend the life of your garment
Bees do so much for us, why can't people be nice to them back and just consume agave or maple syrup? (whichever is more environmentally friendly and available to the person)
my undergrad is in engineering so I found this perspective so refreshing !!
Very informative! I learned something about bees. Hope they change these practices. Also, watching Doom with spiders crawling on the ceiling is hardcore 😂
A wool shaver or wool comb will make your lovely sweater look like new again. It removes all the pilling 😊
Sounds like Giant House Spiders! (Eratigena)
How can you not love them? They are very elegant!
Great video, for the sweater; wash them inside out to prevent it.
i dont necessarily agree with all the points in this video. i do think the rhetoric of 'save the bees' is really not meant for honey bees, tho. honey bees are extremely inefficient pollinators compared to native species of wasps, solitary bees/carpenter bees, beetles, and other native species. at least here in the states. honey bee keeping in most of the world is entirely for honey production, they don't really have much ecological use beyond honey production. local wildflower honey can help alleviate pollen allergy symptoms but, yeah. I don't tend to reach for honey anyways unless i specifically need it. i don't like the taste, im more of a neutral crystal sugar person.
it is an interesting hypothesis but so far this guy hasn't really tested his theory enough for me to fully believe it or buy it yet. you said it yourself, he's not an expert in beekeeping, he's not an entomologist or apiarist and his observations of bees are very short term and recent. i know it's appealing for some people to see a guy who has no background in a vocation aside from a casual interest, enter the field and say 'i think ive solved it all!' all in like 6 years of doing the hobby, but im kind of skeptical about that sort of thing. i'd be interested in following what he does in the future, tho. his research is just too new to be properly peer reviewed and it's purely theoretical at this point. i also don't love how he was involved in an indiegogo campaign to sell his bee hive design even before his research was published, since his research was published literally like a week ago. All in all, it's an interesting idea but needs a whole lot more development before it can be called anything close to true or accurate.
rn it's a catchy science news headline and that's about it.
Yes, some people take advantage of pet cuteness
I had to stop helping a lady with her guinea pigs because she wasn’t providing a proper care, cutting corners and seems like all she wants is for their cage being on a kitchen table and sit with them while drinking vine and burning candle witch is hurtful for their respiratory system considering she would never take them to a vet
I finally got more blunt and told her what I think , she got very offended
Well , I feel much better that everything is out and clear
I appreciate bees, I'm ambivalent about bugs, but I do NOT like spiders. However, I still do not want to cause any sentient creatures to suffer, even if their barf is delicious.
So spiders need to be inside putting them outside will kill them, and that makes sense. Making things randomly really cold being bad seems to be a no-brained
I'm sitting here admiring those little trees and wondering where you got them and bam! You hit me with the buttplug comment.
im still considering keeping bees, but I live somewhere it doesnt get below like 50 degrees. i'm also working on establishing a farm cooperative that respects animal rights as much as possible while still addressing local food needs. i'm also hoping to research alternatives like lab meat eventually but that requires a lot more initial investment, and raising animals as sustainably and ethically as possible is still overall better for the animals than importing factory farmed meats from far away
Learned stuff here and will no longer be eating honey . Thanks.
It's really the same reason I don't think surrogacy or prostitution is ethical. Commodifying women's bodies is inherently exploitative.
I wanted to buy a bee box for my back yard to help the bees, so can I just still buy one and be sure to cover it during the colder months? (I live in Florida and get little to no freezing nights) or is there a better option than the box, since they’re mostly made with the ease of extracting honey in mind and obviously that isn’t a factor for me?
At least where I live (but probably applies to Floridia, too).
I would buy things that help other bees. There are so many honey bees already and they compete with wild bees and other pollinators. The wild bees and pollinators different from honey bees are the ones that are endangered.
I have flours and flouring plants and nests for solitary bees on my balcony.
Yes you can fix your sweater. You can buy a fabric shaver! ❤
Ok.... we need to talk about that sweater. That war *owl* on your sweater and how reminiscent that is of the reichsadler only without the swastika.
I know that's got nothing to do with the subject at hand but honey is literally bee vomit. That's all I need to know about honey.
I was going to ask if the eyes on the sweater were David Bowie 😅
Once again, "it's natural so it's good for [them/us/anyone]" turns out to be a stupid idea. (I mean, as it turns out, the wintering practice was bad due to an entirely different misunderstanding - but the _reasoning_ was "natural so let's do it".)
*_edit:_*_ oh, you just made the same point; nice_
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I read some study that concluded that the insect response to fire indicated a capacity to suffer, but that mechanic injuries didn't seem to bug (heh) them in the same way. I'm skeptical, though... not sure I've seen such a difference in response, myself.
Also recall an article I saw about free will in fruit flies. Not sure free will is a coherent concept in itself; _but_ - at the time, anyway, I didn't question it. Changed my feelings on killing insects.
I just read about this two days ago and I’m disgusted and stressed and I’m not eating honey. not to say that I even like it to begin with, but I’m done with honey until they stop.
You can get a pilling shaver
07:51 Side note: Live Action Mermaid Movie: Whether you like it or not, Ariel makes a blow fish blow by tickling them. DON'T DO THAT! A blow fish (aka: puffer fish) blowing up is the equivalent of a jump scare. It is stressful to them. TBH, with all the scuba divers they must have had on set, NO ONE decided to mention this? Blow fishes blow up as a defense mechanism much like our ability to pull up our hands to fight if need be. -A local fish store had a pet Puffer fish and a big ass sign on the glass told us this very thing; not to make her puff up no matter how cute/fun we think it is. She would only puff up if she was scared so we were instructed to approach her gently. She was a very friendly puffer. 😍
At least in germany, bees can't live naturally anymore due to the varroa mite. If a hobbyist therefore cares for them to the best of his abilities, but just doesn't know any better, is that unethical?
My friend keeps bees. She doesn’t harvest the honey. She does it to help the bee population in our area. We live in Texas. What do you think about that? Could you please give me some resources to research? I will also share this with her.
Edit: I found the resources in the description. Thanks. I’d still like to know what you think about keeping bees to increase the population though please.
Don't know about Texas, but where I live (Germany) the diversity and numbers of wild bees is declining partly because there are too many honey bees.
More than 300 wild bees in Germany are endangered. The honey bees are constant with some periods of disease (because they are genetically quite similar and are targeted by the same viruses and predators) that hit hard but they recovered again and again.
Wild bees are important pollinators sometimes very specialised to certain plants. But even these specialised pollinators often need additional sources and that's where honey bees in unnaturally high numbers are a problem.
On my balcony I have a nest box for solitary bees. I have flours and flouring things planted, too.
Not mowing the grass around this multiparty house so often would help, too (and would cost less). But we have a lot of "conservative" people here who like order and nature not so much 😅. And majority decides.
Hi your friend has the right idea but she might be hurting the bee population rather than helping because bees compete with wild competition and are often stronger (so they win) but pollinate less (80% less than bumblebee bees) but since she already has them there is nothing else to do just maybe advise her not to do it again!
Greetings, if you want, you can subscribe to my channel, soon there will be videos about preserving the bee population (yes, this topic is also interesting), or rather, several topics that may be of interest to you.
In addition to cruelty to animals I struggle to understand how honey is healthy to consume. So HFCS is bad and causes fatty liver and diabetes, but honey is used as a sweetener for diabetics. Anyways, I have hyperuricemia and honey gives me pain. Literally.
Sugar doesn't cause diabetes or fatty liver, but I would avoid HFCS. Real cane sugar is as natural as fruit and not made in a lab.
@@dj-fe4ck Refined sugar (which honey arguably also is) may in fact cause NAFL. Excess calories from carbs in general.
@@dj-fe4ck cane sugar is actually better than fruit in some ways. Less fructose and therefore better for the liver. Everything is relative
@dashagudym3938 You can't eat excess calories from carbs. Only from fat. Excess calories from protein would also be difficult unless you have too much protein powders.
Sugar mixed with lots of fat is better to avoid. Almost all the so called sugary foods are very high fat. Sugar by itself including fructose doesn't cause nafld, but I would avoid HFCS because of all the chemicals and mercury it has. Fruit certainly doesn't cause it.
Can you debunk Iowa dairy farmer he says things like cows don’t like their babies .
What the fu... Honestly, animal farmers are just... Nah Imma hold my tongue but 😤
@@MadMadMandy ik right
I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard grown adults asking, “Are insects animals?” Even Doctor Mike (on YT) asked this in a video. Also, shockingly, I’ll hear the same question about fish. I’m like, seriously?! And then, people have the audacity to tell me to I must not care about the environment because I don’t support bee exploitation.
I'm vegan 8 years now. I don't use honey. I'm not a researcher and never really "knew" but felt that repeatedly taking from any being food that is intended to nourish their young is wrong and cruel to the bees and can only stress the bees. I knew nothing about clustering, I'll try to understanding it better so I can communicate this additional reason for not ingesting honey.
re: spiders speed, I cannot abide when you see one, go to get the removal cup and then they are GONE! You know they are still in your home but where? ugh
I mean, its just a crappy thing to do. Most people think of things in terms of how it benefits them though. Oh yeah and we used to think throwing tires into the ocean helped marine life.
Oh the poor bees 🐝 🐝 🐝 😂 😂 😂
... Because one study shows...?
SuiGenerisAbbie is just trolling.
We should ignore them.
their suffering is truly unnecessary. that, is tragic. absolutely tragic. its literally just fucking honey.
Vystopia is real sometimes
Stealing sugar from bees is bad. Oh, it's not stealing? Why need a protective costume then?
Refrigerating an animal that is mostly active during spring and summer. Good thinking.
I avoid eating all products from bees and that use bees including honey, almonds, anise, apples, apricots, avocados, blackberries, blueberries. Cardamom, cashews, cherries, coffee, coriander, cranberries, figs, grapes, grapefruit, kiwis, macadamia nuts, melons, nutmeg, papayas, peaches, pears, peppermint, pumpkins, raspberries, sesame seeds, strawberries, sugarcane, tea, tomatoes and vanilla.
that doesn't sound realistic at all
Trying to be(e) funny huh?
@@wavy6470 you must not care about the bees then.
At the end of the day, what is honey? You better eat cocount sugar or molasse.
Ellen fishers new what I eat in a day is a bit different. Not sure if you wanna look, she’s talking about drink matcha daily now and using protein powder for her smoothies
Just let the bees be!
Save the bees!!! 😢
Took me a while to watch this but yeah girl. That's rough, I love insects. LOVE insects. I dream of having a bee hive, but in the non-commercial type, just literally buying an empty one and if a hive needs it it's there to fill, which is a thing lol. After that lion/tiger show came out during lockdown, everyone watched it and then instagram and tiktok was FULL of people making videos with big cats and I was absolutely DISGUSTED. My friend was saying she thought it was cute and I was getting so heated talking to her about it. It makes me so mad that people have these animals and are torturing them for entertainment. Like I saw a billboard for a dentist with a "smiling" chimp on it, but that's a fear response. So it's like an ophthalmologist advertising themselves with a picture of a person crying at gunpoint or something. Just like STOP. Stop using animals just stop! I read the book by Franz de Waals about "Are we smart enough to know how smart animals are?" And yeah.... There's just so much that we don't know, but just cuz we haven't done a peer-reviewed study on it, does that mean that we can't use our big brains to know that animals have only made it this far because they can recognize pain? GAHD
My goal this year is to learn more about fireflies so that I can collect and raise some to build up the population in my area because otherwise fireflies are going extinct, and I cannot handle losing that whimsy.
You can use a razor to shave the little balls off your sweater (I think it's called pilling)
This barbaric practice is soooo unnecessarily exploitative. We have about a hundred different sweeteners and sugars to satisfy anyone's taste buds. It's just one more reason to detest the human greed and abuse we constantly see.
the notion that insects don't feel pain is absurd. most people are so cruel and, frankly, stupid.
I don't eat honey and I want bees to enjoy their freedom, but I wonder if this information means that winter is a living hell for our insects in the colder climate zones. I tend to think they have adapted to the cold without suffering. Otherwise they would migrate to a warmer climate, right?
The only problem with that is that all of the bees will do anything to protect their queen. She won’t migrate unless they swarm.
Didn’t she say they have thicker “walls” in their natural hives? So I guess that protects them
Most of the bees in a hive die in the winter. All the summer bees die and there are special winter bees, I guess with slower metabolisms, who live through the winter. And native bees hibernate, I think.
Am I the only one who didn’t like honey before going vegan? I found it sickly sweet.
Yeah I was never a fan, I find it has a weird taste.
How do you feel about backyard bees and eggs. These guys are literally pets. I know several backyard bee keepers and I don't know a single one that deliberately freezes them. Most of the time, they are just trying to protect them from mites. Honestly, I am surprised badly treated bees don't swarm and leave.
The bees of my partner's parents neighbour swarm all the time into the garden of my partner's parents.
Trees, a tree with a hole, a natural-looking lake (and the bees drink a significant amount of eater from it), a lot of flouring plants in the garden, cakes, ... . A bee's paradise.
The neighbour searches for the queen and puts her back. "Problem" solved. There are also ways to prevent the queen from leaving all together. The queen is larger.
It's the same system that prevents the queen going into combs "meant" for honey production.
In general I don't think it's a good idea to put sentient beings into a system that will choose profit. It would be a miracle if profit all the time aligns with what's best for the sentient beings.
I mean it does not even really work for humans (child labour, poisoning, ...) and humans have a say and are part of the incentive in this system. Why should I expect it works magically for a sentient being that has no say and gives no incentive?
Do you eat any fruit?
I honestly hate insects ! There is no world i will ever like them ! 😅 and i have a huge fear of bees 🐝 like i hypoventalate its awful ! If one comes in the house i have to open the wondows and doors and if it doesnt go out i am stuck in the other room until my husbsnd gets home ! We had a swarm not long ago and i couodbt leave my house !
The exploitation of bees is needed for a vegan diet. Its like when carnists say theyll drink milk but not eat meat. When they are the same industry. Honey and fruits are the same industry. Avoiding honey is silly.
Are you still a TERF? I care about bees a lot, but I had to stop watching your content a while back because some of the things you said were really hurtful to trans folks, and they are losing their rights.
I know you have, in the past, been able to reevaluate your thoughts and positions on things and im really hoping that is or will be the case this this issue.
❤️🐝
veganism isn't a diet fit for humans
Facts
Come on, look at Vegan Grains, his husband, Doc Greger etc.. they all look shiny and young. This diet is great.
Take it up with the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics
Purely from logic that can't be true by the definition of veganism.
Veganism isn't a diet.
Veganism is just an ethical position that implies among other things, that you should choose a diet that's possible and practical but does the least amount of harm to animals under this condition.
@@Dogthedeadly Ok, bet.
I've been following your channel for YEARS and proud ass vegan, but now I have to wave it goodbye as you quote "Expert Opinion" as the highest level of truth, when it is the LEAST. And ignore a decade or MORE of GOOD reasons not to consume honey or support beekeeping to do so. Big Sad.
Wut??
You clearly misunderstood something, as that is not what she said and she doesn't consume honey
I like honey! I do not have guilt about consuming it.
The video came out 10 minutes ago, is 14 minutes long, and you commented this 8 minutes ago, so you couldn't have watched the video before commenting this
@@virtuevelour5106they just don’t care about sentient beings because of the taste of it (just like a meat eater)
give me your opinion again after watching the video 🤗
It is so weird to me when hatewatchers are faster than actual fans@@virtuevelour5106
@@virtuevelour5106 I have watched it in total as of right now, and also ... I did not feel as though I needed to watch the whole thing before opining.
Sorry, is there some sort of law in place thereby stating that one cannot comment upon any video until one has indeed seen to whole video?
I don't reckon there is.
I still do not feel guilty about consuming honey. For me it is important to use it in place of more processed sugar products and for that as well I remain guilt-free and un-apologetic.
Oh, and I am also an un-repentant carnivore as well, yay!