Could I ask the degree of steering rotation u use in the base? I’m on a dd wheel, I’m not sure if I should be 900 or 1080 with these, though I can actually set the real amount which ever a 60’s Maserati had
The lift on the motorsport ban is kind of redundant. The cheap events such as rallies and Formula E street races had already been running for a while. Building full on race tracks for GT racing or maybe F1 is an undertaking that is very expensive and very hard to justify for a country like Switzerland. Besides, they are already geared towards electric power and the current formula for electric car racing favours temporary street circuits. Perhaps some go-kart and FIA grade 3 tracks will pop up, higher than that I highly doubt will happen.
And all attempts for a complete lift of the ban have failed; only point-to-point events like stage rally are allowed to use ICE-powered vehicles and track racing is restricted to electric cars only, like the Mario Kart-esque Formula E (but I'll save my tangent on that sport for another day)
I will literally never tire of the Maserati 250F in AC, I think I've driven it more than any other car at this point. It's such a joy to drive, truly a work of art. I think if I won the lottery, I'd buy a real one!
These are indeed quite simple machines. You could totally build one if you had the will and some money. There is a number of modern engines and transmissions that could do well in such a vehicle.
It’s easily one of the most gorgeous F1 cars, especially the twelve cylinder T2, which has the iconic twin side exhausts. Racing it down the Gesamtstrecke feeling like Fangio in 1957 is exciting.
Bremgarten is in my book on my personal favourite. This track flows like an unpolluted creek, has great elevation changes and gorgeous surroundings. Very underrated.
One of the (many) immersive part of Alfie's tracks for me is the depth in the forested and wooded areas; both the way the trees are planted, the variety and how far back they go means it feels overbearing, claustrophobic and scary - everything driving a period car around a circuit like this should be. Looking forward to finding all the little details hidden around this one, he's already had me Googling defunct Swiss jam companies... Great video and presentation as ever, been really looking forward to your take on this one.
You really feel transferred back in time with these videos. I especially like all the historical information and details during the race. Great work! As an Austrian I also acknowledge your commitment to all the german pronunciation xD
Parts of the circuit still survive to this day in the form of either public roads, forest roads, access roads and paved footpaths. You can still see the rough outline on satellite maps. As a local, its hard to imagine that seventy years ago, there were these cars driving in anger around these streets.
What a wonderful video! I really enjoyed watching it, and hearing your comments too. It certainly was a special circuit, and I can understand now why it was so infamous in its day. And just wait until you take Gary's awesome Auto Union Type-C round there in anger, imagining that you're Bernd Rosemeyer >_< Thanks again for the video!
Thank you for all of your hard work. We are so lucky to have wonderful people like you creating these amazing mods. I actually think you’re a bit like musicologists who research & save musical history of old composers or transcribing world / folk music etc... What you’re doing with these mods is a pretty special thing for motor racing history, in a weird way!
The 1923 grand prix cars by nicecuppatea feel amazing on this track. They just feel at home sliding through the fast corners. The bumps and penultimate corner become a real challenge. Even driving slow, they feel fantastic. Especially the Fiat. The Bugatti is a real challenge under braking too.
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I've used to binge-play at this track in Grand Prix 3. The track was horrible and had nothing to do with any other version I've seen in any other sim, but was SO MUCH FUN to race at huge speeds with modern F1 cars. This AC version is outstanding, amazing video!
So glad to see this done so well in AC. One of the greatest tracks ever, I've been driving it forever in GPL. The extra details here and track surfaces are incredible!
This was one of my favourite tracks in GTLEGENDS, and this version is simply outstanding, a stunning piece of work! 👍 it's so good and the racing so enjoyable I've had to watch it a few times to take in all the detail 😲 incredible. Thank you for this, a glass of 🍷 and dinner watching this was an excellent way to enjoy the evening 😉🏁
Dang, I just love these recreations! Watching you drive while listening to your fabulous background info is such a treat. And I look forward to hearing that "Whoa!" when things get just a little hairy! Bravo Jake.
Bremgarten is hands down one of the most fun tracks i've ever played. it's all high speed corners! only 2 low speed corners max. such a great vibe! driven vintage cars up to gt3 around it and it was so fun and had excellent laps! big recommend!
Great vid. Never heard of Bremgarten--Fat Alphie did a great job on its recreation. Can you imagine how it was driving on this circuit during rain? Damn, that'd be frightening. I thought you would lose it during the last lap at a few corners. LOL.
Another top notch breakdown of a beloved track 👍Nice watching Bremgarten in AC! Drove it alot in rFactor and GTR2, more than a decade ago. With all the good tools for AC, I definitely have to revisit the track in AC, in the historic cars from these grand prix years, just coming from historic Napoli in pre-war gp cars. I'm happy AC is held alive this way.
Great video as always @GPLaps !!! Your videos are an absolute treat: A history and racing lesson, be it tracks or cars or events, in classic motorsport racing 🔥❤🏁
Man! Fat - Alfie really makes the best tracks. I have downloaded them all and had countless hours of tremendous fun! Thanks for bringing this awesome content to us.
Wow, talk about quadruple amazing... Amazing video, amazing commentary, amazing driving, and of course one AMAZING track! Thank you for creating this video.
This track is so much fun to drive and so well made, I think it will be a few weeks until I want to drive somewhere else. I mostly use the Lotus 25 here. Great video, as usual!
I gotta feeling james behra would love this track lol. Jake you are a legend and i hope you know that, i literally can't get enough of your channel and that days of thunder video made me laugh for hours! And when this dropped on RD i knew right away you would review it FAT-ALFE is a god and genius, i try and pick his brain on his VAC channel turns out he is a very nice guy and he is quite funny. Also any moders for ac that do cars PLEASE do more 50s grand prix cars! Thank you for all the great videos jake a true gentleman and legend. Cheers bud ;)
From Fat Alfie, Fonteny is another driving gem : very long + 20 km, hard to memorize. It's the Le Mans for the road cars. This one can be very tricky : the older the car, the less reliable driving is, given the road surface is very irregular. Older cars are really messy with road management.
I need to try this. I've driven the old GPL circuit which I found stupid hard! I am totally jealous of your effortless driving style Jake but love watching your videos.
Excellent video about this fantastic circuit Jake. Unfortunately I`m not sim racing just now (moving house) but this is on top of my list for when I get a new rig built.
Thanks, this was a blast, like usual! Too bad the IROC races didn’t start 20 years earlier. If they had, they might have actually used the Maseratis and it would have looked like this!
ya this is a great track. I just ran the same car/ track combo and it was very nice. The bumps in the road and cobblestone felt perfect through my transducers
It is a very treacherous track, Bremgarten. The first Swiss GP in 1934 saw the death of British driver Hugh Hamilton driving a Maserati 8CM for Whitney Straight's team. Postwar, it claimed some higher profile drivers. Motorcycle racer (and former car racer as well) Omobono Tenni (for the motorcycle support race) and pre-war great Achille Varzi (driving an experimental new variant of the 158 "Alfetta") lost their lives at Bremgarten in the1948 Swiss GP practice, and during the race day Christian Kautz (driving a Maserati 4CL) was also killed. Then, in a supporting sportscar race at the 1952 Swiss GP, another pre-war great, this time Mercedes' Rudolf Caracciola, crashed into a tree, which ended his racing carreer. A track with one fast corner after another, trees ready to catch an errant car, it really is going to test one's skill, bravery, and luck.
Oh, and there's Mercedes Benz driver Hans Geier's big crash during the 1935 Swiss GP practice (some pictures show that the car is completely demolished), and on race day, Louis Chiron also had a big crash in an Alfa Romeo.
I wonder if anyone's made the Brooklands circuit into a track for the game? For those unaware, Brooklands was a fairly early purpose built race track in constructed in Surrey, England in 1907. It had two huge brick built banked turns, parts of which still exist as part of the museum now on the site. The first person to ever drive more than 100 miles in 1 hour did so at Brooklands, with Percy E Lambert covering 103 miles, 1470 yards in his modified Talbot equipped with a 4.5 litre 4 cylinder engine.
What a wonderful track. I play on console so can’t get all these mods, but really enjoy 60s Silverstone or Monza with the Escort RS 1600. Much more fun than racing modern GT cars!
Turn 1 in Lotus Exos 125 S1 (formula car) is full throttle at 320 km/h, and it's precise, especially with low aero ........which is what you run because second half of the track is all full throttle. It's a little scary. It's awesome. Try it. Well, most turns are full throttle if you get the line right and have just enough aero: T1 & 2 (T2 if enough aero. Perhaps if you get the line right with less aero, i don't know. I haven't driven this that much yet), the downhill S after T3 (Yorden?), and what GPLaps said is hardest corner 7:12.
Is that the 1957 250F Lightweight? Pretty good time on the last lap. Still, it's all the more crazy to think how quick the guys were going in '37. The '37 pace was never beaten, and even the '54, 2.5-liter cars were off what the 1950-51 machines could do, especially the two-stage supercharged Alfa 158/159. We need a more complete field of 1930s GP cars and '50s, 2.5-liter F1 cars. And you've got me curious about what those rumored, historic tracks might be. i do have a decent idea of what Fat-Alfie has on his place, and what he might end up finishing next, but we'll just have to see there. Of the vintage, recurring GP venues, we still could definitely use the 12.5-km Montlhery and the 17.3- or 17.75-km San Sebastian (sources don't all agree on that one). I know Sergio Loro has been working on Sitges-Terramar. And of course, there's also some stuff, both cars and tracks, that would be wonderful to have from some of the great, classic seasons of Sportscar racing. David's been working on a big item in that realm (Mugello Stradale).
By the looks of it, it is the 1957 "Leggeras" (Lightweights) from AC. Only thing that rankles me is some of the skins were definitely *not* worn by the 1957 Lightweights, but were worn by earlier-spec 1955-56 T1s and even later 1958-spec T3 "Piccolos". Yeah, the qualifying times of the 1937 cars were incredible, but it also shows how much improvement the 159/159 Alfettas had gone through. Fangio's 1951 pole time of 2:35.9 would've put him on the second row of the grid in 1937! Though I have read, that Toulo de Graffenried said that Fangio used a more powerful car in practice, which helped him on pole, and when it rained on race day, Fangio took his car instead, leaving de Graffenried with what's easily the most powerful car in the grid, in the rain... My favourite would be the 1935 GP and Voiturette season, the last time old designs could somehow land a punch of two against the German machines. And the early Formula Libre cars, a battle of giants... Track wise,I also think a nice version of Pescara. Though I also like the twisty street circuits of the day, probably the most extreme ones were the Bergamo and Biella city circuits. Oh, and Lucca, where a section of the track runs *on top of the old city walls, and passes through two of the city wall gates!*
Well, if the worst we're worried about with this video is the liveries on the cars, then I think we're doing alright. Of course, the Voiturettes are smaller and lighter, which helps, too. At a track like Bremgarten, though more power certainly assists the lap time, at least in the dry, having a car that can more easily straight-line some of those wiggle-waggles, and needs less steering input in quite a few spots, is going to be a good thing. And the Alfa 159, when the wick was turned up, had about as much power as the 12C-37. Yeah, it's great being the team leader (Fangio as compared to de Graffenried). Admittedly, I like seeing when the shapes of cars start getting more streamlined. For events, both '35 and '37 are even on 10 national or de facto national Grands Prix each. For '35, it's Monaco, Tunisia, Libya, France, Belgium, Germany, Switzerland, Italy, Spain, and Czechoslovakia. For '37, it's Libya, Brazil, the US, Belgium, Germany, Monaco, Switzerland, Italy, Czechoslovakia, and Britain. However, '35 overall definitely has the wider variety of venues that the big cars ran on. Those are a tad thin on the ground though, with the Alfa Romeo Tipo A, Bugatti Type 54, Maserati V4/V5, and if we're being generous, the Mercedes SSK, essentially being the whole field, unless you have some other, oddball specials in mind. Certainly, Pescara is on my mind, too, along with Montenero. Farther afield, Gavea and Lobethal would be great to have at some point, as well as the old Prince George Circuit. Lucca isn't as tight as the other 2 actually. The 1937 layout of Torino is a tad slower. And for its length, Napoli is quite twisty, only having an average speed similar to Lucca, but being more than a mile longer.
@@Villoresi By 1951, the Alfetta had gone through quite a development. I may be a lot more powerful than the original 158/38, but also heavier, thanks to the extra auxiliary fuel tanks fitted. At the Belgian GP, for instance, Fangio's car carried 305 liters of fuel! The ultimate version of the car, the 159M is 261kg heavier than the original 1938 version. So while the car remained physically, rather small, by 1950-51, "light" isn't exactly a good word to describe them. For me, the 1935 season is the last time designs from Italy and France could still hold up on their own against the German cars. By 1936-37 the speed of the German cars kept going up, and attempts to emulate some German design features (in the shape of Alfa Romeo's Tipo C 8C-35 and 12C-36 and Maserati's V8RI) never really worked, only the virtuosity of Nuvolari in 1936 kept things interesting, but even he can't do much in 1937, the German cars simply too fast and powerful (though his lackluster season in 1937 might be influenced by his son's death). Yeah, the early Formula Libre grid is admittedly thin, but I like the fact that all these cars were built to do just one thing; to be really quick in a straight line. Though I think I'll also add the Bugattis Type 45 (and possibly even the hard to drive, four-wheel-drive Type 53), the Sunbeam Tiger V12, and one interesting oddball special in the form of the 4.4 liter Duesenberg entered by Scuderia Ferrari at the ill-fated 1933 Monza GP. What I like about those 1930s street circuits is how crazy and extreme some of them can be. Lucca isn't tight, but I found it extreme since a stretch of the road goes on top of the Renaissance-era city walls (the road on top of the walls may be lined with trees, but you still don't want to lose it there, because if you managed to miss the trees, you'll end up falling down the walls). Bergamo and Biella were extreme in the sense that they were so twisty, that even acceleration isn't much of an advantage, forcing the drivers to drive as smooth and clean as possible if they want to post a good lap.
@@jcgabriel1569 I was comparing the Alfa 158/159 to the full GP cars of its initial run (1938-39) and its main F1 competition. The 159 was still ~300 lb lighter than the Ferrari 375 F1. The Alfa Tipo C cars did rather well in 1936, and even surprised Auto Union a few times in '37. The 312 and 316 looked perhaps more in contention for podiums again come 1938; Belmondo even managed a 3rd at Pescara in a 308. I'll have to look a bit more at those 2 Bugatti models. Is the Duesenberg in question the one at the Brooklands Museum? I've seen a few different cars, one in red, another with (apparently) black as the base color, and yet another that looks like it's in Whitney Straight's white-and-blue livery. Funnily enough, I think I remember a car that resembled the Dues in question in the 'showroom"/car menu for Spirit of Speed 1937 when GPLaps reviewed that. Yeah, I get that. I guess, it seems like those would be more fun for the Voiturettes. The full-on GP cars could really use more room to stretch their legs. I suppose we need more of the 1.5-liter cars in AC, not that there was a huge selection of competitive machinery, mainly Maserati 4CMs and 6CMs, plus the ERAs, for a while. Then you had the Alfa 158s and Maser 4CLs, and the one-off appearance of the Mercedes W165s. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like the Bugatti Type 37s, 39s, and 51As were exactly up to it; you might have been quicker in a Talbot or Delage with updates. Maybe a happy medium on street circuits, at least for the big cars, would be something like a proper version of Montjuich. That's one thing with circuits such as Gavea and Montenero; they give you the really tight stuff, but with sections where you can actually use the power as well. And if the crude recreation in F1 Challenge is anything to go by, Montenero takes you through one hell of a roller-coaster ride on the return leg as you're looking down on the water. Maybe it's a sign of at least a little sanity that they axed the mountain section and just ran on the streets of Livorno after 1935. Even then, in 1939, the Voiturettes were right on 1938 GP pace on what was a much quicker and less tortuous circuit.
@@Villoresi Indeed the Alfa Tipo C variants went well in 1936, also helped by the fact that Mecedes Benz cocked it up big time with the W25K, and the occasional hiccup in performance of the Auto Unions, though apparently, the Tipo C Alfas weren't that good in handling either. Gianbattista Guidotti once recalled that Nuvolari initally refused to drive the Tipo C again when he tested it in 1935, claiming it tries to kill him. He finally agreed to race it after the team made some mods to the suspension, which, according to Guidotti, were suggested by Ferdinand Porsche (according to Guidotti's story, the team basically ruined Porsche's vacation by turning up at the place where Porsche is spending a much-needed holiday to show him the car's blueprints and ask for improvements to the Tipo C's suspension design). I believe the Duesenberg at the Brooklands Museum is the car in question. If I remember correctly, it is bought by Whitney Straight from Scuderia Ferrari and raced by him at the Outer Circuit. Though I have read that the car's gearbox is missing. I always think it would be interesting to race the GP cars on those street circuits, possibly with the Voiturettes, with the Voiturettes being able to brake later and corner slightly quicker than the GP cars, while the GP cars would try to use their superior acceleration with what little straight they could use. Not just AC, but in any other games where it is possible to mod content, I think. The Voiturette category pre-war is a very important one, since they spawned what became the GP Formula postwar. Plus the grid is a very ecletic mix. As you mentioned, for the earlier cars there's the Maseratis (4CM, 6CM) The ERAs A and B Type, then (if you fell like being a bit of a midfielder/backmarker) the Bugattis, and the old GP Delage and Talbots (which is interesting in itself, with Luigi Plate keeping on modifying the car for a long, long time). Then the later cars which were faster like the ERAs C and D Type, the Alta, Maserati 4CL, and of course the 158 "Alfetta" and the Mercedes Benz W165.
You think I'd be Bremgarten'd out, but I thoroughly enjoyed this dude. Now back to Festival of Speed coverage ;)
I look forward to watching your take on this Chris
And I feel asleep ND completely missed The Festival star! Argghh!!
My friend Jake got to drive the yardley BRM up the hill 😁
Could I ask the degree of steering rotation u use in the base? I’m on a dd wheel, I’m not sure if I should be 900 or 1080 with these, though I can actually set the real amount which ever a 60’s Maserati had
lol I was planning on watching your video after this one
It's nice hearing about automobilism history with a morning coffee.
With Switzerland's gov't dropping the death blow on racing in 2009, the future of Swiss racing is already its history.
And on June 2022, Switzerland officially lifted the ban so...
The lift on the motorsport ban is kind of redundant. The cheap events such as rallies and Formula E street races had already been running for a while.
Building full on race tracks for GT racing or maybe F1 is an undertaking that is very expensive and very hard to justify for a country like Switzerland. Besides, they are already geared towards electric power and the current formula for electric car racing favours temporary street circuits.
Perhaps some go-kart and FIA grade 3 tracks will pop up, higher than that I highly doubt will happen.
As a swiss it is so sad that track racing has been banned🙄
And all attempts for a complete lift of the ban have failed; only point-to-point events like stage rally are allowed to use ICE-powered vehicles and track racing is restricted to electric cars only, like the Mario Kart-esque Formula E (but I'll save my tangent on that sport for another day)
@@legoferrari14 please where I am it's another day, I wanna here this tangent
@@swizterlandscitezen From Bern, you?
@@swizterlandscitezenI'm from Ticino
Would habe Been Sadder if it wasnt banned
I will literally never tire of the Maserati 250F in AC, I think I've driven it more than any other car at this point. It's such a joy to drive, truly a work of art. I think if I won the lottery, I'd buy a real one!
You can always try your hand at stonks
You could try to build a cycle kart, or even better a replica
These are indeed quite simple machines. You could totally build one if you had the will and some money.
There is a number of modern engines and transmissions that could do well in such a vehicle.
It’s easily one of the most gorgeous F1 cars, especially the twelve cylinder T2, which has the iconic twin side exhausts. Racing it down the Gesamtstrecke feeling like Fangio in 1957 is exciting.
Bremgarten is in my book on my personal favourite. This track flows like an unpolluted creek, has great elevation changes and gorgeous surroundings.
Very underrated.
Waking up on an off day to a GPLaps vid is just a good feeling
One of the (many) immersive part of Alfie's tracks for me is the depth in the forested and wooded areas; both the way the trees are planted, the variety and how far back they go means it feels overbearing, claustrophobic and scary - everything driving a period car around a circuit like this should be. Looking forward to finding all the little details hidden around this one, he's already had me Googling defunct Swiss jam companies...
Great video and presentation as ever, been really looking forward to your take on this one.
You really feel transferred back in time with these videos. I especially like all the historical information and details during the race. Great work! As an Austrian I also acknowledge your commitment to all the german pronunciation xD
Parts of the circuit still survive to this day in the form of either public roads, forest roads, access roads and paved footpaths. You can still see the rough outline on satellite maps. As a local, its hard to imagine that seventy years ago, there were these cars driving in anger around these streets.
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What a wonderful video! I really enjoyed watching it, and hearing your comments too. It certainly was a special circuit, and I can understand now why it was so infamous in its day.
And just wait until you take Gary's awesome Auto Union Type-C round there in anger, imagining that you're Bernd Rosemeyer >_<
Thanks again for the video!
Thank you for all of your hard work. We are so lucky to have wonderful people like you creating these amazing mods.
I actually think you’re a bit like musicologists who research & save musical history of old composers or transcribing world / folk music etc...
What you’re doing with these mods is a pretty special thing for motor racing history, in a weird way!
Bremgarten for GTLegends is awesome, really feels like you're racing through the woods. One of my favourites.
Fat Alfie's work is pure genius. Modding above and beyond most in game work
I love the discipline of not lunging in each corner just because it is possible in a video game. :D
This track has a spirit, you can almost feel the glory of the old races
The 1923 grand prix cars by nicecuppatea feel amazing on this track. They just feel at home sliding through the fast corners. The bumps and penultimate corner become a real challenge. Even driving slow, they feel fantastic. Especially the Fiat. The Bugatti is a real challenge under braking too.
I've used to binge-play at this track in Grand Prix 3. The track was horrible and had nothing to do with any other version I've seen in any other sim, but was SO MUCH FUN to race at huge speeds with modern F1 cars. This AC version is outstanding, amazing video!
This isn't a racetrack, it's a work of art!
I have thoroughly enjoyed throwing the 250f 12 around this track.
I'd love to see you narrating a real life race using older cars. That would be an absolute treat to see!
So glad to see this done so well in AC. One of the greatest tracks ever, I've been driving it forever in GPL. The extra details here and track surfaces are incredible!
This was one of my favourite tracks in GTLEGENDS, and this version is simply outstanding, a stunning piece of work! 👍 it's so good and the racing so enjoyable I've had to watch it a few times to take in all the detail 😲 incredible.
Thank you for this, a glass of 🍷 and dinner watching this was an excellent way to enjoy the evening 😉🏁
Love this track, first saw it on your GPL 50's season. Going 240km on cobble stones in these cars.. YES!
It is so satisfying to go over leaves at the edge of the track (line). I remember doing this first time in NFS4 Homestead(?) track.
I still cant believe I got this game and most dlc for like...$8 Canadian or something, a year or two ago. One of the best game purchases ever.
This looked like one hell of a track to race on!
As soon as this track was released I couldn't wait for this video
I haven't tried Bremgarten for AC, but I love it for GTR2. Deep deep breaths before the forest section every lap!
Dang, I just love these recreations! Watching you drive while listening to your fabulous background info is such a treat. And I look forward to hearing that "Whoa!" when things get just a little hairy! Bravo Jake.
Bremgarten is hands down one of the most fun tracks i've ever played. it's all high speed corners! only 2 low speed corners max. such a great vibe! driven vintage cars up to gt3 around it and it was so fun and had excellent laps! big recommend!
This track is absolutely incredible. Maybe the best feeling and looking track mod in AC.
What a video, so thankful for these new simulators that allow non-professionals in the matter to have footage to comment about motorsport history over
Fat Alfie does it again! This is one awesome track. Spent three hours racing 1931 Bugatti Type 51a's the day it came out.
An epic drive on an epic track, with history thrown in - gorgeous!
Absolutely love these videos. It's amazing how sim racing has enabled us to get these virtual peeks back into motorsports history.
Great vid. Never heard of Bremgarten--Fat Alphie did a great job on its recreation. Can you imagine how it was driving on this circuit during rain? Damn, that'd be frightening. I thought you would lose it during the last lap at a few corners. LOL.
Your historical track races are always fun to watch. You give some great history about the tracks and your race commentary is excellent!
Another top notch breakdown of a beloved track 👍Nice watching Bremgarten in AC! Drove it alot in rFactor and GTR2, more than a decade ago. With all the good tools for AC, I definitely have to revisit the track in AC, in the historic cars from these grand prix years, just coming from historic Napoli in pre-war gp cars. I'm happy AC is held alive this way.
i love driving old f1 cars and prototypes around this track
Great video as always @GPLaps !!! Your videos are an absolute treat: A history and racing lesson, be it tracks or cars or events, in classic motorsport racing 🔥❤🏁
Man! Fat - Alfie really makes the best tracks. I have downloaded them all and had countless hours of tremendous fun! Thanks for bringing this awesome content to us.
That last lap made me love the track even more. Thank you for such great content.
Wow, talk about quadruple amazing... Amazing video, amazing commentary, amazing driving, and of course one AMAZING track! Thank you for creating this video.
This track is so much fun to drive and so well made, I think it will be a few weeks until I want to drive somewhere else. I mostly use the Lotus 25 here.
Great video, as usual!
This looks amazing! Love the older cars and tracks. Madness that people raced these machines.
Such a great video thanks jake! My favourite era of racing the 50s, such a cool track definitely going to get it
That Intro was great! Urged to have a Classic Spa - the search got me '66 Spa, PreWar Spa, Pre War Monza, a PreWar Oval in Spain and France.
Excellent driving and a 2nd to none coverage of the track and it's history.
I gotta feeling james behra would love this track lol. Jake you are a legend and i hope you know that, i literally can't get enough of your channel and that days of thunder video made me laugh for hours! And when this dropped on RD i knew right away you would review it FAT-ALFE is a god and genius, i try and pick his brain on his VAC channel turns out he is a very nice guy and he is quite funny. Also any moders for ac that do cars PLEASE do more 50s grand prix cars! Thank you for all the great videos jake a true gentleman and legend. Cheers bud ;)
From Fat Alfie, Fonteny is another driving gem : very long + 20 km, hard to memorize. It's the Le Mans for the road cars.
This one can be very tricky : the older the car, the less reliable driving is, given the road surface is very irregular. Older cars are really messy with road management.
I need to try this. I've driven the old GPL circuit which I found stupid hard! I am totally jealous of your effortless driving style Jake but love watching your videos.
Beautiful work by Fat Alfie. And great intro by GP Laps. Cheers.
Bremgarten... the place in the Alps to really Bern Rubber
Excellent video about this fantastic circuit Jake. Unfortunately I`m not sim racing just now (moving house) but this is on top of my list for when I get a new rig built.
So much better than today’s generic boredom
Brilliant work. This I s exactly why. AC is still so great. Excellent video. Thanks.
Waking up to Gp laps video is unmatched
Thanks, this was a blast, like usual!
Too bad the IROC races didn’t start 20 years earlier. If they had, they might have actually used the Maseratis and it would have looked like this!
Yet another very entertaining race. Love the track; the car looks and sounds fantastic, and, as always, great commentary from you.
Manmanman these videos are great, full of info and straight to the point. Craftsmanship
This channel is exactly what I was looking for!
Honestly you run one of the best channels on UA-cam
Brilliant re-creation!
ya this is a great track. I just ran the same car/ track combo and it was very nice. The bumps in the road and cobblestone felt perfect through my transducers
Thanks for doing my fave historical track!
joo i never expected this, i actually live there this is crazy to me
It is a very treacherous track, Bremgarten. The first Swiss GP in 1934 saw the death of British driver Hugh Hamilton driving a Maserati 8CM for Whitney Straight's team.
Postwar, it claimed some higher profile drivers. Motorcycle racer (and former car racer as well) Omobono Tenni (for the motorcycle support race) and pre-war great Achille Varzi (driving an experimental new variant of the 158 "Alfetta") lost their lives at Bremgarten in the1948 Swiss GP practice, and during the race day Christian Kautz (driving a Maserati 4CL) was also killed.
Then, in a supporting sportscar race at the 1952 Swiss GP, another pre-war great, this time Mercedes' Rudolf Caracciola, crashed into a tree, which ended his racing carreer.
A track with one fast corner after another, trees ready to catch an errant car, it really is going to test one's skill, bravery, and luck.
Oh, and there's Mercedes Benz driver Hans Geier's big crash during the 1935 Swiss GP practice (some pictures show that the car is completely demolished), and on race day, Louis Chiron also had a big crash in an Alfa Romeo.
Great video as always! Clean driving!
I absolutely love these videos!! So interesting, and so immersive. Amazing work, GPLaps 4 Lyf 🔥🔥🤘🤘👑
Amazing track and driving. Big ups!
As a Swiss it is nice to see that 🇨🇭
Thanks as always!
Liked this track in GPL, but never really mastered it. I think it's time to try it in AC. Thanks for another cool video :)
Yes, a new Gee Plaps video! And new Fat Alfie!
Bremgarten was probs my fave addon track in GPL
I wonder if anyone's made the Brooklands circuit into a track for the game? For those unaware, Brooklands was a fairly early purpose built race track in constructed in Surrey, England in 1907. It had two huge brick built banked turns, parts of which still exist as part of the museum now on the site. The first person to ever drive more than 100 miles in 1 hour did so at Brooklands, with Percy E Lambert covering 103 miles, 1470 yards in his modified Talbot equipped with a 4.5 litre 4 cylinder engine.
There is a Brooklands track in rFactor 1, with 3 versions on the oval track, and the Campbell road circuit.
There is a Brooklands track in rFactor 1, with 3 versions on the oval track, and the Campbell road circuit.
Absolutely awesome!🤩
Lovely track & great video as usual. So evocative. Really need to get a computer and sim rig setup. I mean I have a G27 wheel set
What a wonderful track. I play on console so can’t get all these mods, but really enjoy 60s Silverstone or Monza with the Escort RS 1600. Much more fun than racing modern GT cars!
As always great and relaxing video 💖
Great video and great driving :P
I liked the circuit, great video.
Imagine that track with modern GT3 cars like the Nordschleife Endurance Series ...
Excellent !!!!
*talking about switzerlands ban on moterracing with we all go down to dixie* lol
Excellent!
yay new video
Magnificent
I trully wish you could post the Full tracks for 1994 Nascar racing
Im having a blast playing it again
Gp laps ,this great,iam off to download then play in VR
There’s a Bremgarten track for GP4 but I’m not sure it’s as realistic as this one. It’s entirely on cobblestone and really hard to drive…
This track would be awesome to drive on the Porsche 919
WOW!!!
Turn 1 in Lotus Exos 125 S1 (formula car) is full throttle at 320 km/h, and it's precise, especially with low aero ........which is what you run because second half of the track is all full throttle. It's a little scary. It's awesome. Try it.
Well, most turns are full throttle if you get the line right and have just enough aero: T1 & 2 (T2 if enough aero. Perhaps if you get the line right with less aero, i don't know. I haven't driven this that much yet), the downhill S after T3 (Yorden?), and what GPLaps said is hardest corner 7:12.
a 2:36 is a really good loop if you ask me. my best is a low 2:38
Late Group C cars would probably be a bit extreme around here
I really wanna see dundrod 60's on Assetto Corsa. Converted from gpl
Love this but I will say this the cars sound like you are in a tunnel for some reason lol
Fantastic!
But the video is overexposed so it's hard to see details (even with my screen brightness reduced).
Is that the 1957 250F Lightweight? Pretty good time on the last lap.
Still, it's all the more crazy to think how quick the guys were going in '37.
The '37 pace was never beaten, and even the '54, 2.5-liter cars were off what the 1950-51 machines could do, especially the two-stage supercharged Alfa 158/159.
We need a more complete field of 1930s GP cars and '50s, 2.5-liter F1 cars.
And you've got me curious about what those rumored, historic tracks might be. i do have a decent idea of what Fat-Alfie has on his place, and what he might end up finishing next, but we'll just have to see there.
Of the vintage, recurring GP venues, we still could definitely use the 12.5-km Montlhery and the 17.3- or 17.75-km San Sebastian (sources don't all agree on that one).
I know Sergio Loro has been working on Sitges-Terramar.
And of course, there's also some stuff, both cars and tracks, that would be wonderful to have from some of the great, classic seasons of Sportscar racing. David's been working on a big item in that realm (Mugello Stradale).
By the looks of it, it is the 1957 "Leggeras" (Lightweights) from AC. Only thing that rankles me is some of the skins were definitely *not* worn by the 1957 Lightweights, but were worn by earlier-spec 1955-56 T1s and even later 1958-spec T3 "Piccolos".
Yeah, the qualifying times of the 1937 cars were incredible, but it also shows how much improvement the 159/159 Alfettas had gone through. Fangio's 1951 pole time of 2:35.9 would've put him on the second row of the grid in 1937! Though I have read, that Toulo de Graffenried said that Fangio used a more powerful car in practice, which helped him on pole, and when it rained on race day, Fangio took his car instead, leaving de Graffenried with what's easily the most powerful car in the grid, in the rain...
My favourite would be the 1935 GP and Voiturette season, the last time old designs could somehow land a punch of two against the German machines. And the early Formula Libre cars, a battle of giants...
Track wise,I also think a nice version of Pescara. Though I also like the twisty street circuits of the day, probably the most extreme ones were the Bergamo and Biella city circuits. Oh, and Lucca, where a section of the track runs *on top of the old city walls, and passes through two of the city wall gates!*
Well, if the worst we're worried about with this video is the liveries on the cars, then I think we're doing alright.
Of course, the Voiturettes are smaller and lighter, which helps, too. At a track like Bremgarten, though more power certainly assists the lap time, at least in the dry, having a car that can more easily straight-line some of those wiggle-waggles, and needs less steering input in quite a few spots, is going to be a good thing. And the Alfa 159, when the wick was turned up, had about as much power as the 12C-37.
Yeah, it's great being the team leader (Fangio as compared to de Graffenried).
Admittedly, I like seeing when the shapes of cars start getting more streamlined.
For events, both '35 and '37 are even on 10 national or de facto national Grands Prix each. For '35, it's Monaco, Tunisia, Libya, France, Belgium, Germany, Switzerland, Italy, Spain, and Czechoslovakia. For '37, it's Libya, Brazil, the US, Belgium, Germany, Monaco, Switzerland, Italy, Czechoslovakia, and Britain. However, '35 overall definitely has the wider variety of venues that the big cars ran on.
Those are a tad thin on the ground though, with the Alfa Romeo Tipo A, Bugatti Type 54, Maserati V4/V5, and if we're being generous, the Mercedes SSK, essentially being the whole field, unless you have some other, oddball specials in mind.
Certainly, Pescara is on my mind, too, along with Montenero. Farther afield, Gavea and Lobethal would be great to have at some point, as well as the old Prince George Circuit.
Lucca isn't as tight as the other 2 actually. The 1937 layout of Torino is a tad slower. And for its length, Napoli is quite twisty, only having an average speed similar to Lucca, but being more than a mile longer.
@@Villoresi By 1951, the Alfetta had gone through quite a development. I may be a lot more powerful than the original 158/38, but also heavier, thanks to the extra auxiliary fuel tanks fitted. At the Belgian GP, for instance, Fangio's car carried 305 liters of fuel! The ultimate version of the car, the 159M is 261kg heavier than the original 1938 version. So while the car remained physically, rather small, by 1950-51, "light" isn't exactly a good word to describe them.
For me, the 1935 season is the last time designs from Italy and France could still hold up on their own against the German cars. By 1936-37 the speed of the German cars kept going up, and attempts to emulate some German design features (in the shape of Alfa Romeo's Tipo C 8C-35 and 12C-36 and Maserati's V8RI) never really worked, only the virtuosity of Nuvolari in 1936 kept things interesting, but even he can't do much in 1937, the German cars simply too fast and powerful (though his lackluster season in 1937 might be influenced by his son's death).
Yeah, the early Formula Libre grid is admittedly thin, but I like the fact that all these cars were built to do just one thing; to be really quick in a straight line. Though I think I'll also add the Bugattis Type 45 (and possibly even the hard to drive, four-wheel-drive Type 53), the Sunbeam Tiger V12, and one interesting oddball special in the form of the 4.4 liter Duesenberg entered by Scuderia Ferrari at the ill-fated 1933 Monza GP.
What I like about those 1930s street circuits is how crazy and extreme some of them can be. Lucca isn't tight, but I found it extreme since a stretch of the road goes on top of the Renaissance-era city walls (the road on top of the walls may be lined with trees, but you still don't want to lose it there, because if you managed to miss the trees, you'll end up falling down the walls). Bergamo and Biella were extreme in the sense that they were so twisty, that even acceleration isn't much of an advantage, forcing the drivers to drive as smooth and clean as possible if they want to post a good lap.
@@jcgabriel1569 I was comparing the Alfa 158/159 to the full GP cars of its initial run (1938-39) and its main F1 competition. The 159 was still ~300 lb lighter than the Ferrari 375 F1.
The Alfa Tipo C cars did rather well in 1936, and even surprised Auto Union a few times in '37. The 312 and 316 looked perhaps more in contention for podiums again come 1938; Belmondo even managed a 3rd at Pescara in a 308.
I'll have to look a bit more at those 2 Bugatti models. Is the Duesenberg in question the one at the Brooklands Museum? I've seen a few different cars, one in red, another with (apparently) black as the base color, and yet another that looks like it's in Whitney Straight's white-and-blue livery. Funnily enough, I think I remember a car that resembled the Dues in question in the 'showroom"/car menu for Spirit of Speed 1937 when GPLaps reviewed that.
Yeah, I get that. I guess, it seems like those would be more fun for the Voiturettes. The full-on GP cars could really use more room to stretch their legs. I suppose we need more of the 1.5-liter cars in AC, not that there was a huge selection of competitive machinery, mainly Maserati 4CMs and 6CMs, plus the ERAs, for a while. Then you had the Alfa 158s and Maser 4CLs, and the one-off appearance of the Mercedes W165s. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like the Bugatti Type 37s, 39s, and 51As were exactly up to it; you might have been quicker in a Talbot or Delage with updates.
Maybe a happy medium on street circuits, at least for the big cars, would be something like a proper version of Montjuich. That's one thing with circuits such as Gavea and Montenero; they give you the really tight stuff, but with sections where you can actually use the power as well. And if the crude recreation in F1 Challenge is anything to go by, Montenero takes you through one hell of a roller-coaster ride on the return leg as you're looking down on the water.
Maybe it's a sign of at least a little sanity that they axed the mountain section and just ran on the streets of Livorno after 1935. Even then, in 1939, the Voiturettes were right on 1938 GP pace on what was a much quicker and less tortuous circuit.
@@Villoresi Indeed the Alfa Tipo C variants went well in 1936, also helped by the fact that Mecedes Benz cocked it up big time with the W25K, and the occasional hiccup in performance of the Auto Unions, though apparently, the Tipo C Alfas weren't that good in handling either.
Gianbattista Guidotti once recalled that Nuvolari initally refused to drive the Tipo C again when he tested it in 1935, claiming it tries to kill him. He finally agreed to race it after the team made some mods to the suspension, which, according to Guidotti, were suggested by Ferdinand Porsche (according to Guidotti's story, the team basically ruined Porsche's vacation by turning up at the place where Porsche is spending a much-needed holiday to show him the car's blueprints and ask for improvements to the Tipo C's suspension design).
I believe the Duesenberg at the Brooklands Museum is the car in question. If I remember correctly, it is bought by Whitney Straight from Scuderia Ferrari and raced by him at the Outer Circuit. Though I have read that the car's gearbox is missing.
I always think it would be interesting to race the GP cars on those street circuits, possibly with the Voiturettes, with the Voiturettes being able to brake later and corner slightly quicker than the GP cars, while the GP cars would try to use their superior acceleration with what little straight they could use.
Not just AC, but in any other games where it is possible to mod content, I think. The Voiturette category pre-war is a very important one, since they spawned what became the GP Formula postwar. Plus the grid is a very ecletic mix. As you mentioned, for the earlier cars there's the Maseratis (4CM, 6CM) The ERAs A and B Type, then (if you fell like being a bit of a midfielder/backmarker) the Bugattis, and the old GP Delage and Talbots (which is interesting in itself, with Luigi Plate keeping on modifying the car for a long, long time). Then the later cars which were faster like the ERAs C and D Type, the Alta, Maserati 4CL, and of course the 158 "Alfetta" and the Mercedes Benz W165.