How To Know When It's Time Leave Your Company | Jocko Willink | Leif Babin |
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- Опубліковано 25 бер 2024
- In this new video, Jocko Willink and Leif Babin, the authors of the NY Times #1 Bestseller, "Extreme Ownership: How U.S. Navy SEALs Lead and Win", let you know when it's the right time to leave your job.
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Funny…I see this video in my thread a week after I gave notice in my current company.
I knew it was time to go when I found my boss would not make a decision. He would always “wait for things to play out” and then force that decision on someone else.
I'm intrigued. The timing of this couldn't be more appropriate.
Always drops when you need it eh?
6 years to late for me. extreme ownership ended in a burn-out and people getting fired because it appeared I was right on some points.
@gullepomp sorry to hear that. I can definitely relate to the burnt out feeling. Not sure how to fix that one though
Off you go then ;)
@@MJScott158 you might be right on that
Been at a company for going on 8 years. The last few years it has felt as if they are taking five steps back to take a step forward and morale in my department has gone down significantly. Can’t wait to leave next month for a new chapter in my life
Big Congrats brother.
Congrats on moving on and understanding when your leadership is more valuable elsewhere. Good luck in your next chapter.
Same here man. Been at this company for 10. Morale is at the bottom. Mainly due to supervisor. Did interview two weeks ago and got the job for 6 dollars an hr more per hr. Time to start over.
Damn, really needed to hear this right now.
Glad to provide the needed message
I've done this more than once. Remember You are your own economic unit, you are responcible for You, and you a.lways have that choice/opportunity, so activate that choice when necessary to stop beating yourself up. Hey you have given your best, snd they have had the opportunity, all the strength to You.
Right on. You can only control yourself. So you get to choose what direction to go.
Having been in many toxic work environments, I have sworn to myself, I quit when I reach the point that I do not recognize myself in the mirror anymore and realize I'm not listened to, or if an environment becomes unsafe without changes being made to issues that were raised before. If an environment has the ability to change who I am as a person and make me feel so bad about myself for staying longer than I should, I need to get out. Often, we overstay our visit like a frog in hot water, not knowing when it's time to jump out and end up burnt out to nobody's benefit. I always keep my integrity though, even when I leave a project, I still offer help during the transition to a new employee. Often, manager's are so p* at you for leaving though, they do not understand the concept of genuine integrity to a project or your other co-workers or the new person. They just hate to see a good employee leave and they know it's their fault they don't want to take accountability for.
I think it is better for you to spot out the signs before you get to the point of not recognizing yourself in the mirror. You don’t want it to have to go to that level before you realize it’s not gonna work out, start to figure out what things are leading to that that way you can get out sooner.
I was thinking about your experience with the lack of listening and the first thing that came to mind was: "a good leader is listening without his subordinates saying a word." Meaning that they are "listening" to the environment, situation, attitudes, results, and other contextual cues of the workplace. They aim to not put their subordinates in a situation to prompt the subordinate to mention unsafe conditions, because they've preemptively addressed and eliminated safety concerns. The fact that they didn't listen to your feedback shows that they probably weren't listening even before you spoke up. Despite all that negative temptation, you chose to do what was right, looking out for your coworkers and new hires. Keep your mirror polished, sir.
@@lowkeydriftg4228 In one situation, they did not even have to listen. It was obvious that we were caught up in a thunderstorm, but they just wanted to keep the cameras rolling. I raised the safety concern, like others on other days. They eventually wrapped the day not because of the dangerous weather conditions by the ocean but because what was filmed "looked bad" on screen. This is just one example of many that I have observed. I'm learning a lot more about leadership right now and maybe think of teaching leadership in the film industry for whoever is seriously interested in it. But there's a huge lack of leadership skills in the film industry per se, especially among directors, managers, and producers. Luckily, I work project-based. Some projects are relatively short. It's the long ones that stretch over months that can easily make me forget myself in the process under toxic leadership and that I see myself forced to leave. I usually raise the issues I see happening and it truly takes a lot for me to make this final decision. Sometimes, you can only save yourself. Most people in this industry are mercenaries and only in for the money. They don't care.
I've been influencing the boss with the indirect approaches, asking the boss the questions an effective leader/mentor would be asking a new subordinate. "Hey [boss], has Fred ever mentioned what direction/department they'd like to move towards?"
They take the suggestion and begin to consider Fred's development path. Meanwhile, I'm being overlooked in terms of matching my skills to direction. I knew to step up and influence my boss, because I didn't want them to make the same mistake they did (and are currently making) with me when i joined. I've been influencing under the radar like this with my boss in countless situations where leadership is needed. However, they truly think the ideas are their own because they're taking the action, and still don't recognize the deficiencies and the need for leadership in critical team development situations. And no, the boss over my boss will not promote me to that position; they have been in it together since the company's beginning.
What do we do in situations where we are doing most of the leadership work through influencing, but not viewed as an asset in this regard?
Many companies preach what they think they want in their mission statements. Let’s use Continuous Improvement as an example. I’ve worked for a company where that was literally in their mission statement. But after a year and 8 months of going totally gong Ho working to get buy in on the floor in implementing new ideas, it was actually their managers that I had the most trouble getting buy in with. I just got tired of the constant follow up, the babying, and the reminding. I came to the realization that despite what their mission statement said, they were NOT ready as an organization to commit to a continuous improvement culture. When the Maintenance manager interrupted a Kaizen to answer his cell phone in the conference room (instead of stepping outside), that was the final straw for me.
I, too, am in the same position. I have plateaued and have gotten to a point where everything is monotonous. I have expressed concerns regarding processes in my profession and haven’t received the feedback to help fix those issues. Also, personal growth is to move on and expand. Thanks for this video. The timing couldn’t be more appropriate.🙏💪
If we see that our growth is limited in our current opportunities, then it's up to us to take ownership and chose to grow our leadership elsewhere.
Currently looking for a new job because of these challenges. Grateful for the experience, I've learned about myself and what I value in an employer/boss/organization.
Right on. When you leave a company, leave on good terms, grateful for an opportunity and lessons learned.
With all the stuff I have had going on at work, this video could not have come at a better time.
Glad to provide value. Let us know if you have any questions we can help to answer.
THANK YOU
in my experience, there's about an 80% chance that your career prospects at that company end the moment you tell your boss that you're thinking about going over his head. I would recommend getting your resume out there to gauge interest before you do that.
It can be a very tough decision to make especially if its a job you used to love but when youre company is hemorrhaging employees/talent, that can be very disheartening and then the pressure gets put on the "performers" even more. But really for me the bottom line is when youre company is no longer matching you, the workers, level of committment and dedication to the customer or mission.
Then its time to pull that ejection handle.
Most of my career blunders have been in not recognizing it was time to leave. Taking ownership and sacrificing for the good of the company is rarely, if ever, recognized. You cannot change the culture of a company; leave those with a weak or toxic culture and find one with an honest and positive culture. Make this change while you are still employed as it can be outrageously hard to get hired if you are unemployed and are likely to get yourself into another toxic environment. Ignore the explicit threats about non-competes, just deal with that later on if it becomes an issue (it rarely does, just keep your mouth shut about where you went and never, ever violate any IP restrictions).
When your upcoming and new to a trade, i tell people the best time to leave is when you are not learning any thing new.
Indeed
If you are asking the question ..It's time
I don't know where I would go to make the money I need to support my family if I quit but the industry I work in is rough. Our workers have gotten less experienced and less proficient over the years while meeting the job requirements have become more difficult and I'm stuck in the middle. I feel like my management is losing their patience with me. I don't really know how to get my team up to par against increasingly difficult/impossible requirements. It's stressful.
I was just wondering what that conversation with my boss would even look like as far as what we need to succeed. I don't even know what they could get me that would actually help me reach the goals.
In a similar boat. No idea where to go.
I was on a new job.
Was messed up by gettn robbed and jailed.
Did almost perfect job in estimated 2 weeks.
But he didn't take into account me having to find everything.
I made a tiny mistake easily rectified.
I told them I wanted proppet drawings and they gave me sketch.
It's impossible to work while Ur being defamed on the radio.
If they arnt going to treat me decently I'm leaving.
Three steps up.slide two down still climbing?
When they fire you
So when your faith in leadership fails, its time to leave.
And when you feel you no longer hold the power to change it and solve problems.
Same goes for marriages.
Truth. It's up to us to know when our ability to positively influence and lead others is incapable.
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I'll have been with an organization for 20 years in July, and I feel that I am at the end of the road. I would LOVE to see a "badge" or stamp of certification to know which organizations have embraced the #extremeownership culture and participated with @EchelonFront. I want to be a partner within an organization that believes and behaves as if they want to win!
Great idea.
Winners never quit and quitters never win, but those who never win and never quit are stupid.
Stubborn bosses sometimes retireor the reaper comes for them if you are willing to wait. It is a war of attrition. Depends on if you agree with the mission. We are capable - if this group does not need want or recognize the gift. Move on others are in need of your services. Find a place that is home, the wallpaper does not make you yack & while doing your assigned work have liberty to pursue other tasks - either as assigned or freelance. Some of my best work was done with their tools - I did what was needed - they did not ask - kind of pissed them off. Happens over and over. You can make it look like their idea but that takes work, sometimes - just do it - dust off - move on.
The in between "quiet" time is what is that called? tdy ? in transit
It was in those times that I was given the opportunity to see the world.
Bucket list, hum.
Prob is when every shop is the same. Has the same problems and the same attitude and the same lack of respect for the technician it's hard to know where to go.
Don’t think this done!
I’m super smart and code away work and some ass upper managers who just got lucky by being there first pretend I made mistakes or that they don’t understand complicated results I produce. All a power play. What asses they can’t handle good employees
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Man, Leif _really_ outdid himself this time!
Ha!