I like the idea, it's, as you said, an alternative to Broly's Wrathfull form, but without the raging out of controll part, and the fact that it's meant for pure hearted saiyans. I'll be honest, not quite the fan of Black Haired Trunks, he feels like a especial exception where his hair would turn a Lavender or a dark purple color. 😅 But overall, a nice little form. Now... What is this about Human fighters getting upgraded power-ups?!? 👀👀
I always found it somewhat similar to False Super Saiyan in terms of the hair being black. I wish False form was canon, but there's really no need for it at this point.
I had a custom Arc idea for Dragon Ball I call the Reality Crash Arc, this I had to do massive research to see what people like to see in Dragon Ball, I'm sure people would love to see something like this because it will bring in some of the things Fans have been wanting most into Canon, but reckoned making it far better, and it has 3 different after effects at the end of Arc, 1 would lead to an Arc, 1 would be about specific characters, and 1 would lead to a Movie, I would talk about it if people would like to know.
Krillin can also get a transformation based on his status as a monk and where he gets a orange aura and the six dots on his head shine which is called Enlightened Monk.
I feel like Gohan, Goten and Trunks should train with Supreme Kai and Elder Kai. Since Elder Kai is older and wiser, maybe he could teach them a powerup into a sort of mystic aura form that would be different from SSGod, maybe using the S-Cells to zenkai boost their power when they go release that mystic aura, where they activate the mystic aura and then the S-Cells basically convert into temporary zenkai boosts (which they can build up through training and mastering the form). I'd also have it where it requires a calm mind and proper ki control, but instead taps deeper into the spirit through a properly honed mind (like achieving it through meditation instead of raw power training). I'd have it where they stay similar to their normal states, but their eyes change, and maybe they get a sort of mystic aura around them (it would probably be similar to the idea in the video except I'd change the lightning into an aura that generates mystic energy from the user rather than have it come off as lightning). Honestly, we have seen what god ki can do, and god ki is pretty boring at this point. I want to see Gohan and the others train with the Supreme Kai and maybe see what powers the Supreme Kais could use (we only see a little of Supreme Kai's power, and we know the Grand Supreme Kai could probably use far more powerful techniques than Shin could. Maybe it would be a reason to make Buu relevant since the Grand Supreme Kai could theoretically be brought out of Buu now).
I like Primordial Power it’s a unique transformation for Earthling/Saiyan hybrids that harkens back to Ancient Saiyan lore and it separates Half Saiyans and Quarter Saiyans from Full Blooded Saiyans due to Earthling/Saiyan hybrids being more good hearted and gentle spirited than Full Blooded Saiyans. I would love to see Gohan, Goten, Trunks, Pan and Bra use Primordial Power in the future! It’s the ultimate combination of mixing human emotions and nature into a Saiyan’s fighting spirit.
I don’t think Gohan would want to go for Primordial Power, since the Ultimate form grows as long as he uses it, and doesn’t use energy, so it’s a more convenient form. even if primordial power is more powerful at its introduction, the ultimate form can still scale up to meet that.
This idea feel like something Goten, Trunks, and Pan could get. But for Gohan his next transformation should be based around his Ultimate Form since he said he wants to improve on that I like to see a video on that. 👍 And definitely a video on Krillin, Tien, and Yamaha getting a transformation alongside with Piccolo too.
Personally I feel like with the way Ki lore has developed, the Ultimate form can *definitely* be improved on, even if its toted as the user reaching the pinnacle of their potential power. If Gohan learned the fundamentals of God ki then wouldn't that use his pool of ki more effectively, optimize the flow of ki in his body, etc etc? Totally feels like grounds for a power boost in my opinion.
I honestly think yours & Masako's idea could work together. For example, imagine a scene where Yamoshi talks to Goten about his spiritual journey through time. Yamoshi narrates over important scenes from DBZ but from his "spiritual" perspective. Like when Goku first gets SSJ, Yamoshi talks about how SSJ was a false alarm, with SSJ 2 & 3 confirming it. But what really gets his attention is Gohan achieving his Ultimate Form. Something about the direction this form is going in has Yamoshi obsessed. Simply put, Ultimate Form is Primordial Power Sign. And that way Ultimate Form finally gets some much needed attention, Primordial Power is introduced to the lore, and Gohan still remains the trailblazer for his generation
I kind of like S Cells, if we have to have a biological explanation for Super Saiyan in the first place. It means that traditional Saiyans, who valued power so highly, were blocking themselves from achieving their greatest power by their very power hungry lifestyle. Nice irony there.
@ Because Super Saiyan at it's best is rage and power now thanks to S cells it's all about how many super duper wuper cells you have and a tinkle winkle little tingle in your back.
Maybe a bit of both? A Transformation that any Human can achieve but have Krillin and Tien and Yamcha branch off and expand on it to develop their own versions (like the Sparking Joy and Divine Mind transformations that Masako created for Goku and Vegeta).
Just saying the biggest missed opportunity for transformations was not giving the earthling and piccolo kaioken after they trained with king Kai. Imagine if Tien was Kikohoing Semi perfect cell with a 3x kaioken. I mean they still would have be wwwwaaaaaayyyyyyy behind goku vegeta and Gohan but at least they would have something to even this spit a little.
@@____________838 kaioken is probably the most useful technique in the entirety of dragon ball. If saiyans use it while training they get a bigger zenkai, piccolo and Buu can use it without any limits and it can make the earthlings useful
The reason SSJ4 is the best transformation in the series is because it incorporated both side of the Saiyan nature. Their human and great ape form. It was the combination of both their established abilities merged with each other. That is the weakness of the other forms. All they are is a hair change and maybe the occasional affect around them. But SSJ4 seemed like an organic ability that their specie should have been able to develop. Tapping into the great ape power without needing a full moon. This is what I want. A focus on the roots of what being a Saiyan means and their history. Not screaming until their hair gets a color swap.
In regards to transformations, I also thought it would be a good idea for each hair color to symbolize a certain skill or strength, as well as weakness. As it stands right now, SS1 through 3 are pretty much irrelevant. They are obviously not strong enough to hang with newer characters, yet our heroes constantly try and use them. I think aligning a special skill with each transformation or hair color would make fights more of a chess match, and not make some of the older transformations rendered useless.
I always thought Tein should've been like Yusuke (Yu Yu Hakusho) and become a spirit detective. Going on missions from Baba and gaining a bunch of spirit realted abilities.
I'd be down for a side series like that. And just more stuff for Tien in general. Why does everybody sleep on the POTENTIAL Tien'a character has in terms of what he could do?
Yo! Me to! I had a whole bunch of material piled up for a spinoff story with that. I mean SOMEONE had to pay off all of the Dragon Team's debts to Baba and it's just SO in character for Tien to inherit responsibility like that. -I also pictured that most of Roshi's Mystical Misadventures with the Crane Hermit was Baba using them as gophers to do whatever she wanted in Other World and that would play into some plots for Tien and Chiaotzu to get mixed up in. -I also thought it would be funny if it turned out that Three Eyed Clan that Tien is descended from were actually a bunch of Other Worlders and they are all basically Dragon Ball coded hippies. Yes, the stern Tien being descended from hippies. The comedy writes itself.
I keep thinking a human unique transformation would be cool. 1. It would make human character relevant again. 2. It could open up a new path for any of the human/saiyan hybrids. Basically it'd reveal they've all been using half of their potential.
It does not fit Vegeta but I like the form should have gave it more like rage anger everybody know but neither is not that angry but it makes it more sense than him having to close his eyes and feel for his opponent attack that feels like that's more Goku than Vegeta feel like ultra instinct Vegeta is a serious guy meaning he needs a serious transformation not that
It wouldn't. Each transformation stacked with MUI, there would be a white streak or patch of white in the hair showing the stack. You're welcome Toei, Bandai.
@@Solesteam hell yes.. lol.. talk about one shotting the grand priest.. lol, i can imagine goku vs the grand priest, when hes about to do that transformation and do a punch in that form saitamas theme plays.. one punch!!! Kills the grand priest in 1 shot..
Personally, I think that the human characters should practice fusion, possibly along with Piccolo. Sure, it's also available to Saiyans, but it could still provide a much needed power boost. Or what if they fused with the Saiyans? Possibly even having fusions with more that two members. Learning Kaio-ken would also quite useful.
Maybe there could be a magical-based transformation for the characters. They could also create a yin and yang transformation for fun. They could also bring in some more primal power-ups as well.
Masako, you need to be hired by Toriyama and Toei as a consultant. A lot of these ideas and scenarios you pitch are pure gold and I think they would really up the franchise's popularity quite a bit.
I always thought the saiyan hybrid characters could use something unique to them. Well, mostly because their human side kind of feels ignored power wise but this transformation idea of yours only being accessible because they have a very gentle heart specifically due to their humanity really feels like it is focusing on both halves of their ancestry and not just their saiyan side as usual. It feels like it'd make the hybrids truly unique as they really should be imo.
I was very intrigued by broly's primal instinct transformation that gave him a tremendous boost in power. I always wondered is it possible for other saiyans to achieve this especially goku and vegeta
in the movie it was explained as great ape in base, so its only a 10x boost nothing compared to ssj, (you can stack them though, but not a huge boost for dbs standards)
@@yurazah a x10 multiplier that brought him on ssgss level. I know broly is special as he is a mutant in his race but would of been cool if this kind of power was also reserved for other saiyans before them going angel and hakaishin level
I love this idea though I would love to see piccolo get a transformation. Maybe a true namekian with more draconic features that is the combination of the dragon and warrior clans
Remember Gohan saying that he is going to seek a different path of power? Maybe elaborate on the Ultimate/Mystic transformation. Next level, Sage. Anyone? A play on his role as being a scholar but incorporate it into his fighting style.
Masako: maybe, if you're really good, and watch this all the way through the video and subscribe, i might do another video in which we give some new transformations to non-saiyan characters, you know.. Me: you son of a "multiverse theory", I'm in!
I've been playing around with this thought: Do we even know what Gohan's field of study is? For all we know he's studying Ki. If that's the case, I would absolutely love to see some newly developed "boomworm fu" techniques unique to Gohan and his lowered bang of power. Imagine seeing him in a fight writing down notes while applying ki to key points or having figured out how to simply capture projectile blasts out of the air and add them to his own attack throwing it right back. He might even be able to deduce the nature of an attack before even experiencing it first hand the way his dad has to.
@@billybobbro8216 I think something like that would retroactively "justify" all of Chi-Chi's focus on his studies for so many years. (I mean it was justified anyway, but it would justify it to the sorts of fans that thought characters doing anything other than fighting was bad.)
@@majamystic256 A Wolf based Transformation for Yamcha would be cool. It would be called Wild Wolf Bandit where Yamcha gets afighting style where he embodies a Wolf and uses Wolf techniques.
"Controlled God Of Darkness" (remember the "Prince Of Destruction Vegeta" Xenoverse 2 rename?), what about "Controlled Dark Blue Evolution"? Pretentious and a bit long winded, sure, but certainly far better than "Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Evolution Controlled Berserker".
And the ssgss part is already known as “Super Saiyan Blue” so even without creativity the name could be better rendered as “Tranquil Fury God” or “Tranquil Fury Blue”
“Someone has to 100% without a doubt Literally make a Dragon Ball Z/Super Fan-Animation Based Around This “Primordial Power” Form For The Human/Saiyan-Hybrid’s, So, In Other Words, GET TO IT DRAGON BALL Z/SUPER FAN-ANIMATORS!!!”.
In terms of transformation, I do like the idea of the Oozaru playing a bigger role in it, like truly returning to the roots. So what if super Saiyan 5 looked more like a human-sized Oozaru but golden fur and super Saiyan 4 like hair? I have drawn out a concept for it if you wanted to take a look Masako.
How about a transformation achieved through using the Dragon Balls? Either as a wish or from tapping into some sort of special energy the balls emit that's normally undetectable. (Kind of like the Chaos Emeralds from the Sonic the Hedgehog franchise.)
I would if piccolo got a demonic type transformers where his antenna turn into horns, he gets fangs (or more fangs idk) his aura goes red and black and give him an extra set of arms because why not?
@@thisisanoriginalnameright8975 yeah a divine power piccolo would be cool, like maybe his skin changes color but I like the demonic take more because it goes back to the days of demon King piccolo.
@@gundam6195 I feel like piccolo doesn’t use his anatomy to it’s fullest extent. He could of used his stretchy arms to pull Gohan out of the way of Nappas blast or gone giant when Dr Gero was draining his energy to break out. There are probably more examples but those were the first to come to mind.
With this transformation based all around control, you could steer it away from the stereotypical "blast&punch" fighting style that comes with all others. Even UI is mainly about straight forward combat, even with its focus on defense and precision. Draw from the arsenal of human characters instead! They have by far the most creative abilities among the regular cast - Krilin's Kienzan and Scatter Bullet, Yamcha's Spirit Ball and Tien's Kikoho are only the tip of the iceberg. Between telekinesis, generating electric shocks, various forms of magic and witchcraft, seeing the future, as well as abilities like the Mafuba and the Single Day Revival which stayed very relevant all the way up to Super, humans have a plethora of powerful abilities at their disposal that other factions next to never make use of. You could fold that into the transformation, making them more creative fighters. Build on the annoying prank attacks Gohan and Trunks used in Z and advance them to creative Ki specialists. Their unpredictable techniques would make them a force to be reckoned with on the big stage (despite not having the raw power of their fathers), strategically outmaneuvering their opponents and trapping them in no-win scenarios before they have a chance to react.
I want Piccolo to have a movie that converts all the data in an object to attack energy. The more complex the object, the stronger the damage, but it also takes longer to convert. Like, a chunk of granite would do less damage than a pine cone, because the pine cone has DNA. It probably doesn't fit the guy, but it could be an interesting application of having some sorcery. Earthlings could still learn the basics of chi, plus fusion or Kaioken for temporary boosts. Probably the ultimate thing that an Earthling in Universe 7 could learn, IMO, is shapeshifting like Oolong and Puar. Maybe you don't get any stronger, but you could gain mass to crush the opponent, or get sharp enough to drill even a Saiyan's internal organs-- stopping it.
I had an idea for a technique/transformation that uses the main idea behind the Spirit Bomb. Basically instead of channeling the spirit energy from the world around you into a weapon, you absorb it into your body. The energy flows through you like water. Think of what Bruce Lee said about water. It can be anything you want it to be. It becomes whatever shape you put it in. “Be like water” he said. All the rage and power of a mighty storm yet the tranquil serenity of a gentle river. A calm and collected mind could easily gather the spirit energy even in the midst of combat. You’re using the very spirit of the world and channeling it through you. It turns your eyes blue and the aura sparks silver. This could be something someone like Piccolo or even Tien can learn.
It's honestly very easy for Shueisha, Toei and Bandai to make new transformations and power-ups for every character. Make the Earthlings learn the Kaioken or get an Unlocked Potential by a guardian entity. Piccolo could awaken the will of the original Namekian. You could also make the case that Gohan, with his Elder Kai Unlock, could learn Ultra Instinct, since he can use all of his potential.
Best bet is they'll either teach everyone how to use god ki or train them to tap into Ultra instinct, or nothing at all LOL... if they were going to use Kaioken or unlock potential they would have done that before the tournament of power... most likely nobody will get any new transformations besides Goku and Vegeta
Easy solution to the "no new transformations" paradox - just give each of Goku's existing forms a somewhat different appearance when mixed with Ultra Instinct. That way, marketing is happy, but we don't get swamped with increasingly ridiculous forms.
PLEASE GIVE TIEN, KRILLIN, YAMCHA AND CHIAOTZU SOME MYSTICAL MAGIC POWER-UP. Saiyans got both Biological and Divine forms. Short from turning them into machines, there's not much left to explore.
I feel since the ssjg ritual was just a conduit for Yamoshi's spirit, you could further connect Gohan and the others to this power by them taking part of this ritual. This may disconnect bulla and any future half saiyans from the form but I still think it is a cool idea.
What about SS Fusion for Goten and Trunks, SS Human for Pan (but not with that name), and something unique for Bulla, a sort of SS Princess? NOTE: the idea is a SS form attained using Gotenks, a SS form altered by Pan's 75% human lineage, and a SS form Bulla has to come up with from scratch in an attempt to fit in.
I think it would be cool, if Primordial power called upon the powers of yamoshi and all Saiyans in existence, offering up some hints of Goku and Vegeta’s power, as well as universe 6. This power could be unimaginable in the small bodies of Trunks, and Goten. Imagine Gotenks, saving Vegeta and Goku from something they can’t fights
I never understood why ppl assumed super saiyan 4 trunks would have black hair. Not even vegeta got black hair in that form, instead brownish as theyve sometimes hinted his hair being.
Well, the angel and GoD powers are 2 parts of the same overarching theme, but the way it's described in the manga they aren't the only ones. I think once we know what the "base" of those 2 powers is, then new specialized abilities and/or transformations can be branched off of that. First things first though, the next "transformation" is gonna be hakai ss(add extension here) vegeta and mui ss(etc etc) goku.
This is pretty cool and similar to an idea that I made up Mine was a lot simpler tho and wasn't a new transformations but instead a way to cannonize ssj4 or atleast the design. Goten one day develops a tail and freaks out about it and goes to show his family. Of course knowing both goku and gohan had tails as kids aren't all too worried by it. But still they wonder why it came in so late in his life. Through some exposition they find out it was because Goten's potential was EXTREMELY latent and this tail is one of the first signs of his powers maturing. The reason gohan wasn't like this is because Goten was conceived after Goku had become a super saiyan and it affected his s-cells. Whenever he gets into a tough fight that he cant handle he transforms into a great ape (without a moon) similar to a rage which is the complete opposite of his normal self. They try cutting his tail off to remove this problem but find out it grows back in a day. Eventually through a fight with a villain he masters this form and achieves a ssj4 looking form, and it'll be called super saiyan primal.
Similar to how SS or SSJ can be thrown in front of the name of a user of the transformation, the power could be shorted to Prime and added after the name. i.e. Goten Prime, Trunks Prime, Pan Prime.
I choose to consider S-cells non-canon, they're never mentioned in the anime and IIRC are only mentioned in supplementary materials and never even addressed in the manga story itself.
I feel like ssgss should have been orange instead of blue the reason I feel like this because yellow(ssj) + red( ssg)= orange in mean it makes more sense in my opinion.
I request a Namekian transformation that isn't the Giant Form. I actually toyed with this idea in a DB TTRPG that I'm currently in, while playing a Namekian character...there's a whole rigom and roar about the story on how it was obtained, but in short, it was a transformation that I basically had made that would be called: "Exalted Namekian", namely to play off of "Super Saiyan" (and no, it has no access to God Ki...Im working on another form for that). I would honestly love to hear your interpretation of a Namekian form presented to our favorite Green Dad. Granted, I know Piccolo doesn't need a transformation...but seeing something along those lines would be quite interesting to see.
I've had that same idea for a long time, a unique power only to saiyan hybrids and let the pure saiyans keep their SSG and make it that only the pure bloods can obtain it. There isn't enough structure in the story anymore.
I still think something to make Piccolo more relevant would be nice. Perhaps him doing the old kai's ritual to get a mystic/ultimate form and wishing for a few exact copies of himself to merge with. I think Piccolo would make an excellent god of destruction if he could become powerful enough to be trained as such.
I always liked to call SSBE, "Super Saiyan Royal Blue". Cuz, y'know, deeper blue, and Geetz is a prince after all. Plus, it sounds cooler in my opinion than "Super Saiyan Blue Evolution". Not really much better, but I just thought it sounded cool.
It’s been established that the fusion technique has several different versions - one version for each additional person you fuse with up to a certain number. I think a three person fusion would be cool to see
I like goten and trunks getting this power but gotanks not being able to use it. Gohan should keep ultimate form and build on it though. Humans should get kaioken too.
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Masako X thanks for the heart
@NS 317 how would he even go about doing something that insane
I like the idea, it's, as you said, an alternative to Broly's Wrathfull form, but without the raging out of controll part, and the fact that it's meant for pure hearted saiyans.
I'll be honest, not quite the fan of Black Haired Trunks, he feels like a especial exception where his hair would turn a Lavender or a dark purple color. 😅
But overall, a nice little form.
Now... What is this about Human fighters getting upgraded power-ups?!? 👀👀
I always found it somewhat similar to False Super Saiyan in terms of the hair being black. I wish False form was canon, but there's really no need for it at this point.
Pan, the Legendary Primordial Saiyan!
Masako: I can promise you, you can say it in one breath.
Me with asthma: so that was a lie
I had a custom Arc idea for Dragon Ball I call the Reality Crash Arc, this I had to do massive research to see what people like to see in Dragon Ball, I'm sure people would love to see something like this because it will bring in some of the things Fans have been wanting most into Canon, but reckoned making it far better, and it has 3 different after effects at the end of Arc, 1 would lead to an Arc, 1 would be about specific characters, and 1 would lead to a Movie, I would talk about it if people would like to know.
Hell, I'll bite. Tell me about ending 1???
This is starting to remind me of how Minato names his jutsus
Trunks with black hair look really cool not gonna lie
and I wanna see it in real show now
This is intriguing I would add one tweak myself, it causes the tail to come back. Because honestly, I wish the tails would come back.
Krillian learning Master Roshi's super buff form and Kio-Ken or something.
Krillin can also get a transformation based on his status as a monk and where he gets a orange aura and the six dots on his head shine which is called Enlightened Monk.
I like the idea as a whole but can't stop thinking about the six paths lineage in Naruto when talking about linking Yamoshi to the kids lol
I feel like Gohan, Goten and Trunks should train with Supreme Kai and Elder Kai. Since Elder Kai is older and wiser, maybe he could teach them a powerup into a sort of mystic aura form that would be different from SSGod, maybe using the S-Cells to zenkai boost their power when they go release that mystic aura, where they activate the mystic aura and then the S-Cells basically convert into temporary zenkai boosts (which they can build up through training and mastering the form). I'd also have it where it requires a calm mind and proper ki control, but instead taps deeper into the spirit through a properly honed mind (like achieving it through meditation instead of raw power training). I'd have it where they stay similar to their normal states, but their eyes change, and maybe they get a sort of mystic aura around them (it would probably be similar to the idea in the video except I'd change the lightning into an aura that generates mystic energy from the user rather than have it come off as lightning). Honestly, we have seen what god ki can do, and god ki is pretty boring at this point. I want to see Gohan and the others train with the Supreme Kai and maybe see what powers the Supreme Kais could use (we only see a little of Supreme Kai's power, and we know the Grand Supreme Kai could probably use far more powerful techniques than Shin could. Maybe it would be a reason to make Buu relevant since the Grand Supreme Kai could theoretically be brought out of Buu now).
This sounds like the sage of 6 pathes from Naruto
I'm just waiting for the inevitable fusion of Ultra Instinct and a Super Saiyan Transformation. Super Saiyan Zen or something.
I'ma just call it Vegeta's Bluezerk form.
Oh cool. Guys. Look. It's sage mode... but in Dragon Ball.
While me just want to see krillin or piccolo get some power up..maybe like mastered kaioken or Super Namekian 2
Supreme Kaioken
I like Primordial Power it’s a unique transformation for Earthling/Saiyan hybrids that harkens back to Ancient Saiyan lore and it separates Half Saiyans and Quarter Saiyans from Full Blooded Saiyans due to Earthling/Saiyan hybrids being more good hearted and gentle spirited than Full Blooded Saiyans. I would love to see Gohan, Goten, Trunks, Pan and Bra use Primordial Power in the future! It’s the ultimate combination of mixing human emotions and nature into a Saiyan’s fighting spirit.
I don’t think Gohan would want to go for Primordial Power, since the Ultimate form grows as long as he uses it, and doesn’t use energy, so it’s a more convenient form. even if primordial power is more powerful at its introduction, the ultimate form can still scale up to meet that.
Ion think sayains are naturally bad hearted look at universe 6 I think it really depends on how they evolved tbh but ik what your saying
Is this form like a godlier version of ikari?
This idea feel like something Goten, Trunks, and Pan could get. But for Gohan his next transformation should be based around his Ultimate Form since he said he wants to improve on that I like to see a video on that. 👍 And definitely a video on Krillin, Tien, and Yamaha getting a transformation alongside with Piccolo too.
Personally I feel like with the way Ki lore has developed, the Ultimate form can *definitely* be improved on, even if its toted as the user reaching the pinnacle of their potential power. If Gohan learned the fundamentals of God ki then wouldn't that use his pool of ki more effectively, optimize the flow of ki in his body, etc etc? Totally feels like grounds for a power boost in my opinion.
I honestly think yours & Masako's idea could work together.
For example, imagine a scene where Yamoshi talks to Goten about his spiritual journey through time. Yamoshi narrates over important scenes from DBZ but from his "spiritual" perspective. Like when Goku first gets SSJ, Yamoshi talks about how SSJ was a false alarm, with SSJ 2 & 3 confirming it. But what really gets his attention is Gohan achieving his Ultimate Form. Something about the direction this form is going in has Yamoshi obsessed. Simply put, Ultimate Form is Primordial Power Sign. And that way Ultimate Form finally gets some much needed attention, Primordial Power is introduced to the lore, and Gohan still remains the trailblazer for his generation
I think he should combine god ki with his ultimate form making it appear as like an angelic ultimate power
Potential/Mystic evolution has a nice ring to it
Essentially, bring relevance to our favorite side characters 😂
I kind of like S Cells, if we have to have a biological explanation for Super Saiyan in the first place. It means that traditional Saiyans, who valued power so highly, were blocking themselves from achieving their greatest power by their very power hungry lifestyle. Nice irony there.
Hard agree, my only issue with the S Cells stuff is that it never plays a role (if not retroactively, maybe?) in the story
Is there an opposite of ‘one often meets destiny on the road to avoid it’?
S cells are the midichlorians of dragon ball it's much better if you and everyone else forget they exists.
@@johnnormington1311 how so?
@ Because Super Saiyan at it's best is rage and power now thanks to S cells it's all about how many super duper wuper cells you have and a tinkle winkle little tingle in your back.
Nice video Masako. I would personally like specific transformations for Earthlings specifically Krillin, Yamcha and Tien
The legendary Super Human
@@rexlumontad5644 hm
@@rexlumontad5644 Maybe it could be unlocked by drinking the Ultra Divine Water?
Maybe a bit of both? A Transformation that any Human can achieve but have Krillin and Tien and Yamcha branch off and expand on it to develop their own versions (like the Sparking Joy and Divine Mind transformations that Masako created for Goku and Vegeta).
Ghost transformation for Yamcha
One For All: Who are you?
Primordial Power: I'm you but stronger.
🤣, good one
Just saying the biggest missed opportunity for transformations was not giving the earthling and piccolo kaioken after they trained with king Kai.
Imagine if Tien was Kikohoing Semi perfect cell with a 3x kaioken. I mean they still would have be wwwwaaaaaayyyyyyy behind goku vegeta and Gohan but at least they would have something to even this spit a little.
It makes zero sense to not have this in the canon; Goku even brought kaioken back in Super, so there is a way to bring it back into action.
And they can make neat merchandise from the Z fighters using kaioken
@@zaki7583 I would buy multiple copies of kaioken Piccolo; for a multiform setup.
I still think Piccolo would be an amazing kaioken user, with his regenerative ability…
@@____________838 kaioken is probably the most useful technique in the entirety of dragon ball. If saiyans use it while training they get a bigger zenkai, piccolo and Buu can use it without any limits and it can make the earthlings useful
The reason SSJ4 is the best transformation in the series is because it incorporated both side of the Saiyan nature. Their human and great ape form. It was the combination of both their established abilities merged with each other.
That is the weakness of the other forms. All they are is a hair change and maybe the occasional affect around them. But SSJ4 seemed like an organic ability that their specie should have been able to develop. Tapping into the great ape power without needing a full moon.
This is what I want. A focus on the roots of what being a Saiyan means and their history. Not screaming until their hair gets a color swap.
They actually don't change colours that much but I know what you mean
Indeed. I do feel like they could’ve done this to explore their Saiyans root than expand the realm of the gods.
In regards to transformations, I also thought it would be a good idea for each hair color to symbolize a certain skill or strength, as well as weakness. As it stands right now, SS1 through 3 are pretty much irrelevant. They are obviously not strong enough to hang with newer characters, yet our heroes constantly try and use them. I think aligning a special skill with each transformation or hair color would make fights more of a chess match, and not make some of the older transformations rendered useless.
they sort of did this with God in Broly by adding the unique God bind skill to it, but that was short-lived before Goku needed to go Blue
I always thought Tein should've been like Yusuke (Yu Yu Hakusho) and become a spirit detective. Going on missions from Baba and gaining a bunch of spirit realted abilities.
I'd be down for a side series like that. And just more stuff for Tien in general. Why does everybody sleep on the POTENTIAL Tien'a character has in terms of what he could do?
Yo! Me to! I had a whole bunch of material piled up for a spinoff story with that. I mean SOMEONE had to pay off all of the Dragon Team's debts to Baba and it's just SO in character for Tien to inherit responsibility like that.
-I also pictured that most of Roshi's Mystical Misadventures with the Crane Hermit was Baba using them as gophers to do whatever she wanted in Other World and that would play into some plots for Tien and Chiaotzu to get mixed up in.
-I also thought it would be funny if it turned out that Three Eyed Clan that Tien is descended from were actually a bunch of Other Worlders and they are all basically Dragon Ball coded hippies. Yes, the stern Tien being descended from hippies. The comedy writes itself.
BRO make the what if or fanfic right now
I keep thinking a human unique transformation would be cool.
1. It would make human character relevant again.
2. It could open up a new path for any of the human/saiyan hybrids. Basically it'd reveal they've all been using half of their potential.
Yes, but unfortunately the humans will never get a transformation other than POSSIBLY mystic or kaioken
"Spark Joy for your Divine minds"
...well played Masako
Still proud of those forms.
@@MasakoX As you should be! They're FAN-FLIPING-TASTIC!
Still proud? Why haven't you made another video building up on them yet then?
It does not fit Vegeta but I like the form should have gave it more like rage anger everybody know but neither is not that angry but it makes it more sense than him having to close his eyes and feel for his opponent attack that feels like that's more Goku than Vegeta feel like ultra instinct Vegeta is a serious guy meaning he needs a serious transformation not that
It wouldn't. Each transformation stacked with MUI, there would be a white streak or patch of white in the hair showing the stack. You're welcome Toei, Bandai.
Or just a UI aura around the other one
@@BirdThatEatsPrometheussLiver If daring enough, *faded colours*
How about mui hakaishin kaioken times 100 goku?
@@Grimerpr2016 Make that times infinity
@@Solesteam hell yes.. lol.. talk about one shotting the grand priest.. lol, i can imagine goku vs the grand priest, when hes about to do that transformation and do a punch in that form saitamas theme plays.. one punch!!! Kills the grand priest in 1 shot..
Personally, I think that the human characters should practice fusion, possibly along with Piccolo. Sure, it's also available to Saiyans, but it could still provide a much needed power boost. Or what if they fused with the Saiyans? Possibly even having fusions with more that two members. Learning Kaio-ken would also quite useful.
Maybe there could be a magical-based transformation for the characters. They could also create a yin and yang transformation for fun. They could also bring in some more primal power-ups as well.
Super saiyan green was something I was excited for, buuuut I like hakaishin vegeta more.
Broly is a “super saiyan green”
@MomoMarethyuTheGhostgodSlayer why is it kinda green?
Cuz its legendary
@MomoMarethyuTheGhostgodSlayer not like legendary super saiyan i was thinking of a darker shade of green
Masako, you need to be hired by Toriyama and Toei as a consultant. A lot of these ideas and scenarios you pitch are pure gold and I think they would really up the franchise's popularity quite a bit.
I always thought the saiyan hybrid characters could use something unique to them. Well, mostly because their human side kind of feels ignored power wise but this transformation idea of yours only being accessible because they have a very gentle heart specifically due to their humanity really feels like it is focusing on both halves of their ancestry and not just their saiyan side as usual. It feels like it'd make the hybrids truly unique as they really should be imo.
Me personally I would like to see more transformations/techniques that aren't exclusive to the Saiya-jin (like Ultra Instinct).
Everyone: talking about demon angel god transformations
Me: WHERES DAH PURPLE.
"King's Wrath" is a thing in the fandom. sports purple hair.
Piccolo needs a transformation.
I second this, non-saiyans need more love
Could it be... the legendary Super Namekian?
@@matteussilvestre8583 Spiritual Guardian Namekian
Ikr he even got god ki before goku did
I was very intrigued by broly's primal instinct transformation that gave him a tremendous boost in power. I always wondered is it possible for other saiyans to achieve this especially goku and vegeta
in the movie it was explained as great ape in base, so its only a 10x boost nothing compared to ssj, (you can stack them though, but not a huge boost for dbs standards)
@@yurazah a x10 multiplier that brought him on ssgss level. I know broly is special as he is a mutant in his race but would of been cool if this kind of power was also reserved for other saiyans before them going angel and hakaishin level
@@billyb501stlegion5 ya that entire scene was kinda weird, he starts beating ssg vegeta then ssj goku can apparently clash with him still
I love this idea though I would love to see piccolo get a transformation. Maybe a true namekian with more draconic features that is the combination of the dragon and warrior clans
Remember Gohan saying that he is going to seek a different path of power? Maybe elaborate on the Ultimate/Mystic transformation. Next level, Sage. Anyone?
A play on his role as being a scholar but incorporate it into his fighting style.
Masako: maybe, if you're really good, and watch this all the way through the video and subscribe, i might do another video in which we give some new transformations to non-saiyan characters, you know..
Me: you son of a "multiverse theory", I'm in!
Transformations for other non-saiyan characters?
Yes, please! I would very much like to see this piece of content Masako!
I've been playing around with this thought: Do we even know what Gohan's field of study is? For all we know he's studying Ki. If that's the case, I would absolutely love to see some newly developed "boomworm fu" techniques unique to Gohan and his lowered bang of power. Imagine seeing him in a fight writing down notes while applying ki to key points or having figured out how to simply capture projectile blasts out of the air and add them to his own attack throwing it right back. He might even be able to deduce the nature of an attack before even experiencing it first hand the way his dad has to.
I would think Gohan’s field of study is martial arts and ki.
If you go by DBO, it certainly is as he writes Groundbreaking Science, which explains ki to the general public.
This is how you make Gohan the main character.
@@billybobbro8216 I think something like that would retroactively "justify" all of Chi-Chi's focus on his studies for so many years. (I mean it was justified anyway, but it would justify it to the sorts of fans that thought characters doing anything other than fighting was bad.)
transformations for non saiyan characters sounds awesome. Tien, Piccolo...maybe Jaco ?
To quote our green friend,
"You know who could use some character development?
_Gohan?_
_Gohan_
_kakarot's brat_
MEEE!!"
What about a Were-Wolf Yamcha Transformation
@@majamystic256 A Wolf based Transformation for Yamcha would be cool. It would be called Wild Wolf Bandit where Yamcha gets afighting style where he embodies a Wolf and uses Wolf techniques.
@@majamystic256 and it could be bluish, to sort of pay homage to his Journey to the West counterpart. I am imagining Benwolf or smthng.
"Controlled God Of Darkness" (remember the "Prince Of Destruction Vegeta" Xenoverse 2 rename?), what about "Controlled Dark Blue Evolution"? Pretentious and a bit long winded, sure, but certainly far better than "Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Evolution Controlled Berserker".
And the ssgss part is already known as “Super Saiyan Blue” so even without creativity the name could be better rendered as “Tranquil Fury God” or “Tranquil Fury Blue”
“Someone has to 100% without a doubt Literally make a Dragon Ball Z/Super Fan-Animation Based Around This “Primordial Power” Form For The Human/Saiyan-Hybrid’s, So, In Other Words, GET TO IT DRAGON BALL Z/SUPER FAN-ANIMATORS!!!”.
Super Saiyan 4 in Dragon ball Super. Because why not.
Now give Ranch, daikon and mooli primordial power.
In terms of transformation, I do like the idea of the Oozaru playing a bigger role in it, like truly returning to the roots. So what if super Saiyan 5 looked more like a human-sized Oozaru but golden fur and super Saiyan 4 like hair? I have drawn out a concept for it if you wanted to take a look Masako.
How about a transformation achieved through using the Dragon Balls? Either as a wish or from tapping into some sort of special energy the balls emit that's normally undetectable. (Kind of like the Chaos Emeralds from the Sonic the Hedgehog franchise.)
Now that Vegeta has his own unique transformation, its now time for my boy Piccolo to receive a god ki influenced transformation 🔥🔥🔥
I would if piccolo got a demonic type transformers where his antenna turn into horns, he gets fangs (or more fangs idk) his aura goes red and black and give him an extra set of arms because why not?
I think I'd be cooler if had a more divine take to it, like super sayin God but namekian style But seeing a more demonic piccolo would be cool.
Isn’t piccolo able to turn giant? When’s the last time he did that the world martial arts tournament?
@@thisisanoriginalnameright8975 yeah a divine power piccolo would be cool, like maybe his skin changes color but I like the demonic take more because it goes back to the days of demon King piccolo.
@@RandomPersonProbably yeah I think that's the only time he's done that now that think about it
@@gundam6195 I feel like piccolo doesn’t use his anatomy to it’s fullest extent. He could of used his stretchy arms to pull Gohan out of the way of Nappas blast or gone giant when Dr Gero was draining his energy to break out. There are probably more examples but those were the first to come to mind.
"It just pulls me back in with how stupid it can be" that's half of the shows I watch
With this transformation based all around control, you could steer it away from the stereotypical "blast&punch" fighting style that comes with all others. Even UI is mainly about straight forward combat, even with its focus on defense and precision.
Draw from the arsenal of human characters instead! They have by far the most creative abilities among the regular cast - Krilin's Kienzan and Scatter Bullet, Yamcha's Spirit Ball and Tien's Kikoho are only the tip of the iceberg. Between telekinesis, generating electric shocks, various forms of magic and witchcraft, seeing the future, as well as abilities like the Mafuba and the Single Day Revival which stayed very relevant all the way up to Super, humans have a plethora of powerful abilities at their disposal that other factions next to never make use of.
You could fold that into the transformation, making them more creative fighters. Build on the annoying prank attacks Gohan and Trunks used in Z and advance them to creative Ki specialists. Their unpredictable techniques would make them a force to be reckoned with on the big stage (despite not having the raw power of their fathers), strategically outmaneuvering their opponents and trapping them in no-win scenarios before they have a chance to react.
I want Piccolo to have a movie that converts all the data in an object to attack energy. The more complex the object, the stronger the damage, but it also takes longer to convert. Like, a chunk of granite would do less damage than a pine cone, because the pine cone has DNA. It probably doesn't fit the guy, but it could be an interesting application of having some sorcery.
Earthlings could still learn the basics of chi, plus fusion or Kaioken for temporary boosts. Probably the ultimate thing that an Earthling in Universe 7 could learn, IMO, is shapeshifting like Oolong and Puar. Maybe you don't get any stronger, but you could gain mass to crush the opponent, or get sharp enough to drill even a Saiyan's internal organs-- stopping it.
You could also bring back some of the martial arts to the series so it's about technique and not just power-level.
Punch smarter, not harder.
I had an idea for a technique/transformation that uses the main idea behind the Spirit Bomb. Basically instead of channeling the spirit energy from the world around you into a weapon, you absorb it into your body. The energy flows through you like water. Think of what Bruce Lee said about water. It can be anything you want it to be. It becomes whatever shape you put it in. “Be like water” he said. All the rage and power of a mighty storm yet the tranquil serenity of a gentle river. A calm and collected mind could easily gather the spirit energy even in the midst of combat. You’re using the very spirit of the world and channeling it through you. It turns your eyes blue and the aura sparks silver. This could be something someone like Piccolo or even Tien can learn.
It's honestly very easy for Shueisha, Toei and Bandai to make new transformations and power-ups for every character. Make the Earthlings learn the Kaioken or get an Unlocked Potential by a guardian entity. Piccolo could awaken the will of the original Namekian. You could also make the case that Gohan, with his Elder Kai Unlock, could learn Ultra Instinct, since he can use all of his potential.
Best bet is they'll either teach everyone how to use god ki or train them to tap into Ultra instinct, or nothing at all LOL... if they were going to use Kaioken or unlock potential they would have done that before the tournament of power... most likely nobody will get any new transformations besides Goku and Vegeta
2:22 Oh I member that episode, it was my favorite! I miss watching robot chicken, I wonder if it's still going.
It is and its going strong
@@devinthompson7143 Cool, I'll see I can watch it later tonight depending on late it comes on.
@@chriscannon8144 its around 12:15am
Easy solution to the "no new transformations" paradox - just give each of Goku's existing forms a somewhat different appearance when mixed with Ultra Instinct. That way, marketing is happy, but we don't get swamped with increasingly ridiculous forms.
PMasako: “SUPER SAYIAN ROSÉ GOKU BLACK. Rolls off the tongue despite it’s length.”
Me: “STOP IT.”
PLEASE GIVE TIEN, KRILLIN, YAMCHA AND CHIAOTZU SOME MYSTICAL MAGIC POWER-UP. Saiyans got both Biological and Divine forms. Short from turning them into machines, there's not much left to explore.
I feel since the ssjg ritual was just a conduit for Yamoshi's spirit, you could further connect Gohan and the others to this power by them taking part of this ritual. This may disconnect bulla and any future half saiyans from the form but I still think it is a cool idea.
mastered ultra instinct super saiyan god super saiyan 3 evolution (grade 2) -sign- limit breaker kaioken x20
What about SS Fusion for Goten and Trunks, SS Human for Pan (but not with that name), and something unique for Bulla, a sort of SS Princess?
NOTE: the idea is a SS form attained using Gotenks, a SS form altered by Pan's 75% human lineage, and a SS form Bulla has to come up with from scratch in an attempt to fit in.
I think it would be cool, if Primordial power called upon the powers of yamoshi and all Saiyans in existence, offering up some hints of Goku and Vegeta’s power, as well as universe 6. This power could be unimaginable in the small bodies of Trunks, and Goten. Imagine Gotenks, saving Vegeta and Goku from something they can’t fights
Maybe xeni is gonna be evil in the next movie? Annnnd what transformation could defeat xeni? Orr be more powerful than xeni?
I never understood why ppl assumed super saiyan 4 trunks would have black hair. Not even vegeta got black hair in that form, instead brownish as theyve sometimes hinted his hair being.
Well, the angel and GoD powers are 2 parts of the same overarching theme, but the way it's described in the manga they aren't the only ones. I think once we know what the "base" of those 2 powers is, then new specialized abilities and/or transformations can be branched off of that. First things first though, the next "transformation" is gonna be hakai ss(add extension here) vegeta and mui ss(etc etc) goku.
This is pretty cool and similar to an idea that I made up
Mine was a lot simpler tho and wasn't a new transformations but instead a way to cannonize ssj4 or atleast the design.
Goten one day develops a tail and freaks out about it and goes to show his family. Of course knowing both goku and gohan had tails as kids aren't all too worried by it. But still they wonder why it came in so late in his life. Through some exposition they find out it was because Goten's potential was EXTREMELY latent and this tail is one of the first signs of his powers maturing. The reason gohan wasn't like this is because Goten was conceived after Goku had become a super saiyan and it affected his s-cells. Whenever he gets into a tough fight that he cant handle he transforms into a great ape (without a moon) similar to a rage which is the complete opposite of his normal self. They try cutting his tail off to remove this problem but find out it grows back in a day. Eventually through a fight with a villain he masters this form and achieves a ssj4 looking form, and it'll be called super saiyan primal.
Similar to how SS or SSJ can be thrown in front of the name of a user of the transformation, the power could be shorted to Prime and added after the name. i.e. Goten Prime, Trunks Prime, Pan Prime.
Nah we need advanced master super sayian god super sayian supreme controller berserk instinct
you say goku doesn't need another transformation but Primal instinct exists
whis vados and grand priest mentioned this before
I choose to consider S-cells non-canon, they're never mentioned in the anime and IIRC are only mentioned in supplementary materials and never even addressed in the manga story itself.
Oh HFIL yes!!!
Primordial Power should DEFINITELY be canon!
I feel like ssgss should have been orange instead of blue the reason I feel like this because yellow(ssj) + red( ssg)= orange in mean it makes more sense in my opinion.
“Let’s call it primordial power” my brain “primal kyogre and groudon “
I'm for some non-Saiyan transformations, explore some demonic ki for Tien or some Reiki augmented forms for the humans like in Yu-Yu Hakasho
Give Gohan new form
Is goku jr and vegeta jr Canon?also is it possible that vegeta& goku direct descendants from yamoshi?
1:32 .... no Evolution it will most likely become later
So far it's actaually called Super Saiyan Blue Evil Aura
Primordial power? Ssj4 flash backs ;~; kinda a ssj4 hint i like it
Is the next transformation for Goku and Vegeta that going to use the entire alphabet at least 15 times? Probably...
I request a Namekian transformation that isn't the Giant Form. I actually toyed with this idea in a DB TTRPG that I'm currently in, while playing a Namekian character...there's a whole rigom and roar about the story on how it was obtained, but in short, it was a transformation that I basically had made that would be called: "Exalted Namekian", namely to play off of "Super Saiyan" (and no, it has no access to God Ki...Im working on another form for that). I would honestly love to hear your interpretation of a Namekian form presented to our favorite Green Dad. Granted, I know Piccolo doesn't need a transformation...but seeing something along those lines would be quite interesting to see.
This doesn't quite feel Dragonball, but we still might see something like this someday.
S cells, the midichlorians of the Dragon World.
When I saw the thumbnail I thought: sage mode? From naruto?
Toriyama why aren't you hiring this man?!?!?!?!
I've had that same idea for a long time, a unique power only to saiyan hybrids and let the pure saiyans keep their SSG and make it that only the pure bloods can obtain it. There isn't enough structure in the story anymore.
Is he able to stack kaioken on top of mui since they both have calm minds
if you don't like dbs make your own story I did that and like it
You should do What if humans or namekians had super forms
Trunks with black hair is odd, but I really like it
Reject godhood, return to MONKE.
I still think something to make Piccolo more relevant would be nice. Perhaps him doing the old kai's ritual to get a mystic/ultimate form and wishing for a few exact copies of himself to merge with. I think Piccolo would make an excellent god of destruction if he could become powerful enough to be trained as such.
1:27 I just call it, Super Saiyan Blue (Evil Aura)
Why not akari super Saiyan blue
if Cell came back for a movie when he have a new form
Let’s just call it super vegeta blue🙃
Ssj god goten and trunks in new movie
Shout-out to Super Saiyan Rosé 3 😐
I always liked to call SSBE, "Super Saiyan Royal Blue". Cuz, y'know, deeper blue, and Geetz is a prince after all. Plus, it sounds cooler in my opinion than "Super Saiyan Blue Evolution". Not really much better, but I just thought it sounded cool.
I wanted to call it Ultra Marine. Marine can be a shade of blue, or... well, the Marines.
Just started school. Yayyyy 😑
It’s been established that the fusion technique has several different versions - one version for each additional person you fuse with up to a certain number. I think a three person fusion would be cool to see
I like goten and trunks getting this power but gotanks not being able to use it. Gohan should keep ultimate form and build on it though.
Humans should get kaioken too.
Give Piccolo ultimate form as well