You are costing me a lot of money. So far you've talked me into the Streamlight TLR-1 and now the ACOG TA-31. Actually I thank you for the info. So far you have been spot on with your evaluations and tests. This ACOG is no less than awesome.
Dude got mine delivered today....It's so sick. I absolutely love it. To quote MC Hammer..."It's to legit...to legit to quit." I'm sure I'm the first one of your subscribers to quote MC Hammer on your channel.
just ordered the TA31F-G two says ago....had I found your most excellent video first, I would have ordered the ACSS reticle. On the official Trijicon web site, they only showed the horseshoe and dot - not the horseshoe and chevron....oh well, I'm 100% confident that I will be more than satisfied with the TA31F-G when it arrives in a few days. Thanks for a professional and informative video - I know that they take a lot of work....if it was easy - everyone would do it.
Excellent video- Unfortunately I didn't take your advice @ 5:30 and I didn't loctite the mount. Sure enough, after a few mags, it loosened. No real tragedy but I did have to remove it for the remainder of the day. Keep up the great work.
The tritium element in the full size ACOGs costs about $400 to have replaced; the element in the compact ACOGs (up to and including the TA33) is only $200 to have replaced.
Really surprised that acog picked up a relatively small company's retical. Shows to prove how well the acss system works. I love my 4x primary arms optic.
Just thinking I hadn't seen a video from you in awhile now and this pops up. For me this is one of the few optics I would be willing to pay over a grand for and with Acss system it makes it even better.
Great run-down. I have a Primary Arms 5X with the ACSS. Your opinion on this ACOG for an AR style in .300 BO? That caliber seems to want to fall somewhere beneath the 5.56 and .308 in its ballistic profiles, so is getting an ACSS reticle designed for those other 3 calibers a reasonable option?
Great video! I had never even heard of that ACSS reticle until seeing this vid. That would definitely be a great reticle for military use. I bought my ACOG more for the reputation for toughness, capability and yes, the look. Normally I wouldn't spend that kind of money on a scope but at the time I had the extra cash and I was trying to build the ultimate SHTF AR. I chose the TA11J-RMR 3.5X35 with the red crosshair reticle and the RMR on top. My sister has a TA31-RMR with red chevron reticle on her S&W M&P15T and I liked it but comparing the two I found I liked the crosshair reticle much more than the chevron. I couldn't tell much difference between the magnification of her 4X and the 3.5X but I could tell a huge difference in the field of view and eye relief. Her TA31 has a 1.5" eye relief and the TA11J has 2.5" which may not seem like much but side by side it was a big difference. I bought the TA11J-RMR and wouldn't change a thing but she's suffered a bit of buyers remorse for not choosing the same model I did. She says she prefers the wider field of view, eye relief and crosshair reticle of mine over her TA31. If anyone out there is looking to buy a new ACOG make sure you try several different models before choosing the one that everyone else seems to like because you may not. I would also HIGHLY recommend getting the ACOG/RMR combination if you have the money available, it's so much better than any other option. Looking at the MSRP my TA11J-RMR lists at $2400 and the ACOG by itself at $1600 so it's an upcharge for sure but well worth it. Those are Trijicon's MSRP numbers so real world prices aren't quite as high. I love my red crosshair reticle because every other scope I use has a similar reticle but had that ACSS reticle been available back when I bought my ACOG I probably would have gone that route. That thing is slick!
I am the proud owner of an ACOG and can honestly say it is a great piece of glass. However, if you are going to purchase one try it first if at all possible. It is not for everyone. My complaint is the total lack of eye relief. In fact watch the video and see how many times the scope comes back and pops Mike in the glasses. Also it is made to be used with both eyes open for close engagements. If your dominant eye is on your off side this may also be an issue. I love mine, at same time some of the 1-6 tactical scopes I think are better for some shooters than an AGOG.
meditech i dont see why everyones so uptight about the eye relief of 4x acogs. nose to charging handle, youll be fine. the military, including all SOF branches, uses them just fine.
I like the TA-31, but I have found certain lighting conditions to be problematic and others have Identified these as well. One condition is when I am in a shaded area, be it trees, a darkened building, etc. looking at a target in a bright area, the FO illumination fails because there isn't enough light in the darkened area I'm in to illuminate the sight. The sight may still be usable in this situation if there's enough contrast between the target and black reticle. But, a BG wearing dark clothing may not let the black reticle show up well. The other condition is just the opposite of the first, I'm in a very bright light and the target is in a darkened area. In this case, the illumination is so bright that it floods out the target. I would love to have a TA-31, but the outdoor range I shoot on has a covered shooting platform and we are only allowed to shoot from the covered area. It is surprising how little illumination I got on a bright day with an ACOG. And as discussed above, the black reticle on a dark target was marginal.
I love my TA31F-G, it would be nice to have the acss reticle though. I do have mine mounted on a GDI R-com mount which has been great for paying $75 for it on Ebay. Another great review MrGnG.
This reticle is really starting to grow on me, especially in the ACOG platform. I am about to finish my process for a Daniel Defense mk18 and was thinking of an acog for the optic. Would the BDC still be applicable on the 10.3” barrel? Would I be better off with one of the 3.5x acogs for the eye relief? Thanks
Primary arms make optics for these calibers. I just purchased their 1-6x24 optic with acss in .308, .223, and 5.45. That model is pretty nice from what I have seen. It would be a good addition to an AR. I have it mounted on a vepr 54r.
You will shoot a target at 36 yards with your 300 yard marker. Once you get your grouping you are cleared hot to go down range. The bullet trajectory of a 5.56 is at the same height at 36 yards as it is at 300. That's why that works. It rises till like 150 then starts to slowly come back down. Remember, you still have to use the 200 yard marker for 200 yards, so on and so forth.
I know this is off topic to the video but I've noticed you've used both carbine and mid length gas systems. The BCM recce is a mid length if I'm not mistaking so my question to you is which do you prefer and why? I'm having trouble deciding between a psa upper with an 11 inch sqr free float and it comes in both carbine and mid length gas systems. Please help
Is that rifle a little over gassed for the buffer weight? I always try to have mine drop the brass around 4.30, and with a can, they go around 2-3 o'clock. Opps, just saw that was a 308, not sure if they work the same...... Great video.
Primary arms has them on sale right now for $1100. You can get either the green dual illumination or the red. I don't know which would be better. Any pro's/con's to red or green? I'm used to red but noticed in this video you were rolling the green and I liked it as well.
If you had to choose between 2 different versions of the trijicon , your options being Trijicon TA-01 NSN ACOG or Trijicon TA31 ACSS, which would you choose? Trying to decide on an ACOG for my SHTF rifle.
Is it a chevron in the center, or a dot? All of the reviews that I've seen use different pictures of the ACSS reticle, since different scopes have chevrons or dots, and I can't quite make it out when you're showing the reticle brightness.
Awesome, thanks! With that confirmation, I went ahead and ordered one from PA. I'm uber excited to finally have an ACOG, and of course it's going right onto my A4, lol.
well, it took a while, but I've got the money saved up for an acog. You and sootch00 had me almost order this one w/ acss ret. but now I can't decide between it and a 3.5x35 ta11. Longer eye relief and wider field of view vs slightly longer magnification and lighter 4x32. Have you ever used a 3.5x35? I know it boils down to personal preference, but wanted to know your opinion before I make the purchase. thanks.
I am in the same boat as you Jason, can't decide between the ta11h-g or the ta11 acss. To make matters worse I am now thing of the heavy vortex razor had gen 2 1-6x24. But I keep going back to the ta11. Wish they made the ta11h-g with acss. If they did I would buy it now.
+Aaron Schutz I ended up going with ta31f green chevron. got a pretty sweet deal on it. really satisfied with it. saved quite a bit on it that I spent the extra money on a 3.5 lb trigger which makes it even more of a dream to shoot.
I just picked up the LED Green 4x32(TA02-D-100394) for my Tavor. I really enjoyed the break down on the yardage/windage. I dont shoot a lot, so i dont want to have to dope my scope. What are your thoughts on the Razorback rail for the Tavor to bring up the height of the optic? Im also planning on getting an extended forgrip. im 6"2 and have an above average ape index. I just feel like the extended forgrip might make it a little easier for me to handle. Thx for the great videos keep them coming
I assume the mount that it comes with will hold a zero well after taking the optic on and off the weapon? Thanks! This is probably one of the best reviews I have seen on an optic and has me now even considering buying this instead of an Elcan! Love the feature of the reticle.
No taking the optic off looses zero. We had ACOGS while I was enlisted and that was a common problem. So far I do not know of any mount for an AR that holds zero after removal. I could be wrong though.
One of the biggest dilemmas holding me back from purchasing an ACOG was choosing the reticle... I like the speed of the horseshoe, but also like the accuracy the chevron provides. The ACSS negates that argument.
What is the size of the reticle compared to a, let’s say TA31H reticle? It appears that the ACSS reticle is smaller compared to trijicons reticle. Anyone have any input? Thanks
+Timothy Harris : I've been running the 1-6x for about a year now on my GF's carbine, primarily for the ACSS reticle and the low price. (same on her AR10, with their 4-14x). I'm and X-Army SRT Marksman, and like Gunny Waha above, I would have loved to have that reticle on my A3 in the desert (or on my M21, for that matter). The 1-6x gets you the reticle, but it doesn't get you the high-end, crisp, bright glass of an ACOG... if you compare the two on optical clarity, the 1-6 is much dimmer, and not nearly as crisp (and the variable feature, combined with the illumination level knobs add a significantly higher complexity to the solution... not a great thing under self defense or combat conditions!). But... for 1/4 the price of an ACOG (and 1/3 the price of the "next best" variable solutions such as the burris 1-5x, the leopolds, the trijicons, etc), the 1-6x is really the best solution on a civilian rifle, if you can't throw down $1300 on an ACOG. But if you can save the money...wow... Almost a pound lighter than the 1-6x (when you consider total package weight)... much faster to find and ID a target out to 300 (due to the optical quality), not too bad under 50 yards with 4x (I run troy offsets with a Blitzkrieg chevron for CQB anyway), and the simplicity of a 4x should not be undervalued... much easier to train up to a higher tactical skill level with a 4x, rather than a short mag variable (and don't forget, the #1 sniper in all world history, the Russian WW2 guy, got over 200 confirmed with either his 4x scope, or open sights!... Its the skills that really make a shooter, not the hardware). While I like the 6x over the 4x past 300 yards (using any optic, high-end or low end), I do not like the significant extra weight, and unless you are in a combat arms unit; shooting at known, armed hostiles past 300 yards with a 5.56 cartridge is very, very unlikely, even in civilian shtf scenarios. IMO, it really comes down to the price range you can truely afford without too much pain, or risk of having to resell an optic to making rent. As a more seasoned guy in this game, after a while I realized I wanted high-end optics on my primary rifle far more than I needed a 4th handgun, or another rifle or shotgun. That is why I run an ACOG on my carbine, and a higher-end bushnell 3-21x on my 308 DMR. Build a single perfect rifle, not collect a half a dozen mediocre ones!
These are the best reviews on UA-cam , they are no bullshit and no ego included, facts after use, and honest opinion. That being said , I used the ACOG and it is a very good optic , but it has it's draw backs. The ACSS reticle is the best innovation for a combat optic I have seen in 36 of gunning "22 yr.'s USMC", I would have traded my left nut for one when I was in Iraq. Ranging ability is EVERYTHING 90% of missed are ranging related. I currently have two of the Primary Arms 1x6 ACCS scopes , one on a .308 and one on a .223 and I would not trade them for a $ 2000. anything ! The Circle Dot "illuminated reticle is combat proven , this combined with accurate ranging to 800 meters makes it the most versatile and effective combat optics on the planet. I must have 1x ability for close in gunning and a fixed 4x does not do it. Being able to choose the brightness of illumination or the ability to turn it off and use the etching in bright sunlight is a huge plus. This is just an opinion of an old Gunnery Sgt. that has been from the Tigress to the Euphrates's, Beirut to Panama. But I am sure James Jaeger thinks he knows better.
Check out primary arms. Its not an acog but when you have variable magnification with an etched reticle for litterally 1/4 of the price. It is worth the look.
That reticle is amazing and the fact its on an ACOG is a deal closer, So Primary Arms designs reticles ? I do not understand why that Demitrei designed that ? Thanks!!!
awesome video, thanks so much brother. your always on point with the intel. I've been wanting to get one for awhile I guess the price is what's held me back, but you get what you pay for.
One other downside is you can't focus the ACOG to your eye. My right eye is not 20/20 and I can't read the numbers without wearing glasses. I don't have this problem with their x4 ACSS 7.62x39 because the reticle is larger.
There's a cool trick I learned to use the ACOG at closer ranges. Increase your eye relief to 4ish inches or roughly be able to fit a fist between your eye and the rear lense. Keep both eyes open and you can basically use the 4x scope like a red dot.
Increase your eye relief to like 4ish inches and keep both eyes open. It works like a red dot. But also, at very close ranges, you can just look over the damn thing and point your muzzle at it.
I've heard rumours that ACOGs are terribly optimized for AR15 "cheek rests". With other words, they are generally uncomfortable to use. Does this have any validity? Is it just true for *some* ACOGs, or is it completely BS?
+gabrocki I call bullshit. I love my TA33. Love it. There's nothing uncomfortable about it, at all. In fact, the eye relief is extremely forgiving for a 3x optic, and it's actually more forgiving than even Trijicon says it is in the literature about it. I think they say that the max eye relief is like 1.9 inches, but in reality the eye relief is more like 3-4 inches. Seriously. I can make a video of that, measuring it with a tape measure if you like.
GunsNBudder Nah buddy it's not necessary, I believe you guys. It was just something I recall reading on some forums by one person, and I thought I'd ask it here, too. I must say the answers here were quite satisfying haha
I really would like to buy a acog but really don't no the model that's for me.the price on the TA-31 and TA-33 are just in my buget.i just bought a vortex strike eagel 1x6 just so I could shoot at some 100 yard plus targets that I couldn't do with my standard red dot.problem is its really heavy.
$1100 OUCH!! reticle looks awesome, def day bright, too bad its fixed 4 power. how is this for close range? looks like in the shooting video it was a 100yd target
+WeThePeople Only available through PA or their Amazon store: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B016CK7MGQ/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B016CK7MGQ&linkCode=as2&tag=akarshoot-20&linkId=YXZKX7357YZ4ZSWL
+Frank Valente yes but they're out of stock currently. When they come back in I'll post it up on my facebook page---I get this question multiple times per day.
+Mrgunsngear Channel looks like you and sootch sold them out lol. I wanted to put this on my 20 in AR. I got an rmr to put on top as well. Idk if I'm going to like that set up. We'll see when they get back in stock again. Thanks for the great vids
The acog on my m4 has been coming lose constantly not the mount to the rail but the optic to the mount. Took it off and turned it into the arms room. Really can't stand it.
+Mrgunsngear Channel I used a paint marker, supply nor the Arms room will order loctite. I'm done spending extra money trying to get my issued shit working haha
I gotta get me one of those face masks (2:30). Would you please point me in the right direction..? Also- You should post links to your other masks in the video description. Inquiring minds wanna know. ;-)
Thank you for taking the time out of your busy schedule and creating this video. As a novice, this has helped me out tremendously. Thank you, again...
glad it helped you out!
You are costing me a lot of money. So far you've talked me into the Streamlight TLR-1 and now the ACOG TA-31. Actually I thank you for the info. So far you have been spot on with your evaluations and tests. This ACOG is no less than awesome.
arcflashed how is it for close range?
@@Dylan-lp8kp good till 10yards
Thanks for the review... And more importantly your service to our country
you're welcome
Dude got mine delivered today....It's so sick. I absolutely love it. To quote MC Hammer..."It's to legit...to legit to quit." I'm sure I'm the first one of your subscribers to quote MC Hammer on your channel.
subbed.... and quite frankly the fact that you and sootch00 are the only two lengthy reviews of this amazing reticle is asinine.
+Dan Bodley welcome to the channel
Agreed, although to note, Garand Thumb put out a proper review a few months ago.
This is the one that I'll be putting on my DDM4V5. I can't wait!
Nice
Thanks for your down to earth reviews.
+El Pescador you're welcome
just ordered the TA31F-G two says ago....had I found your most excellent video first, I would have ordered the ACSS reticle. On the official Trijicon web site, they only showed the horseshoe and dot - not the horseshoe and chevron....oh well, I'm 100% confident that I will be more than satisfied with the TA31F-G when it arrives in a few days. Thanks for a professional and informative video - I know that they take a lot of work....if it was easy - everyone would do it.
+mark thomas awesome. Enjoy it.
Excellent video- Unfortunately I didn't take your advice @ 5:30 and I didn't loctite the mount. Sure enough, after a few mags, it loosened. No real tragedy but I did have to remove it for the remainder of the day.
Keep up the great work.
I have to say I like the ACSS reticle. It is set up in a very intelligent way. And for trijicon to use it shows that it is pretty nice.
+TheTyrial86 Ditto
The tritium element in the full size ACOGs costs about $400 to have replaced; the element in the compact ACOGs (up to and including the TA33) is only $200 to have replaced.
+GunsNBudder thanks
Really surprised that acog picked up a relatively small company's retical. Shows to prove how well the acss system works. I love my 4x primary arms optic.
+lrnlrn agreed
Just thinking I hadn't seen a video from you in awhile now and this pops up. For me this is one of the few optics I would be willing to pay over a grand for and with Acss system it makes it even better.
+R.J. L. thanks
Great run-down. I have a Primary Arms 5X with the ACSS. Your opinion on this ACOG for an AR style in .300 BO? That caliber seems to want to fall somewhere beneath the 5.56 and .308 in its ballistic profiles, so is getting an ACSS reticle designed for those other 3 calibers a reasonable option?
I just order one on Saturday off of ebay from primary arms. Thank you and sootch00 for the great information about this optic.
+Solid Diarrhea nice
@solid diarrhea
Want to sell yours? :)
+Baddmnkey1 for real buy one...I still love it. no buyer's remorse
Am I the first to suggest you send it to me? I'll test the tritium lifespan... Then send it back to you in 15 years.
+WxGuy yes
If I saved up for an ACOG I would end up buying another gun lol
+Dan Saracco :D
Been my problem for years. Save up for an optic build a new gun instead lol
I would give up two of my guns for my acog.
Buy an optic, accessorize with a rifle
I really want one of these for my next AR. We use these and Aimpoint CompM4's in my unit. I absolutely love them.
+Larry Durocher nice
Great video! I had never even heard of that ACSS reticle until seeing this vid. That would definitely be a great reticle for military use. I bought my ACOG more for the reputation for toughness, capability and yes, the look.
Normally I wouldn't spend that kind of money on a scope but at the time I had the extra cash and I was trying to build the ultimate SHTF AR. I chose the TA11J-RMR 3.5X35 with the red crosshair reticle and the RMR on top. My sister has a TA31-RMR with red chevron reticle on her S&W M&P15T and I liked it but comparing the two I found I liked the crosshair reticle much more than the chevron. I couldn't tell much difference between the magnification of her 4X and the 3.5X but I could tell a huge difference in the field of view and eye relief. Her TA31 has a 1.5" eye relief and the TA11J has 2.5" which may not seem like much but side by side it was a big difference.
I bought the TA11J-RMR and wouldn't change a thing but she's suffered a bit of buyers remorse for not choosing the same model I did. She says she prefers the wider field of view, eye relief and crosshair reticle of mine over her TA31. If anyone out there is looking to buy a new ACOG make sure you try several different models before choosing the one that everyone else seems to like because you may not. I would also HIGHLY recommend getting the ACOG/RMR combination if you have the money available, it's so much better than any other option. Looking at the MSRP my TA11J-RMR lists at $2400 and the ACOG by itself at $1600 so it's an upcharge for sure but well worth it. Those are Trijicon's MSRP numbers so real world prices aren't quite as high.
I love my red crosshair reticle because every other scope I use has a similar reticle but had that ACSS reticle been available back when I bought my ACOG I probably would have gone that route. That thing is slick!
+brandi wynter thanks!
I am the proud owner of an ACOG and can honestly say it is a great piece of glass. However, if you are going to purchase one try it first if at all possible. It is not for everyone. My complaint is the total lack of eye relief. In fact watch the video and see how many times the scope comes back and pops Mike in the glasses. Also it is made to be used with both eyes open for close engagements. If your dominant eye is on your off side this may also be an issue. I love mine, at same time some of the 1-6 tactical scopes I think are better for some shooters than an AGOG.
+meditech thanks
+Mrgunsngear Channel
You are very welcome.
meditech i dont see why everyones so uptight about the eye relief of 4x acogs. nose to charging handle, youll be fine. the military, including all SOF branches, uses them just fine.
I like the TA-31, but I have found certain lighting conditions to be problematic and others have Identified these as well. One condition is when I am in a shaded area, be it trees, a darkened building, etc. looking at a target in a bright area, the FO illumination fails because there isn't enough light in the darkened area I'm in to illuminate the sight. The sight may still be usable in this situation if there's enough contrast between the target and black reticle. But, a BG wearing dark clothing may not let the black reticle show up well.
The other condition is just the opposite of the first, I'm in a very bright light and the target is in a darkened area. In this case, the illumination is so bright that it floods out the target.
I would love to have a TA-31, but the outdoor range I shoot on has a covered shooting platform and we are only allowed to shoot from the covered area. It is surprising how little illumination I got on a bright day with an ACOG. And as discussed above, the black reticle on a dark target was marginal.
@mrgunsngear would you recommend this with rmr or V.C.O.G.? Thank you in advance.
TA31 or TA11? Tough choice for me...
Excellent review. I'm trying to decide between this and the TR24 for my AR...
+Deuce Dufresne thanks
I went with the ACOG with ACSS and it's fantastic!
I love my TA31F-G, it would be nice to have the acss reticle though. I do have mine mounted on a GDI R-com mount which has been great for paying $75 for it on Ebay. Another great review MrGnG.
+SinjinSix Nice
Even if the tritium died and the fiber optic got broken it still has an etched reticle (will look like a regular scope) awesome!
+Robert Russo indeed
This reticle is really starting to grow on me, especially in the ACOG platform. I am about to finish my process for a Daniel Defense mk18 and was thinking of an acog for the optic. Would the BDC still be applicable on the 10.3” barrel? Would I be better off with one of the 3.5x acogs for the eye relief? Thanks
+James Cates awesome. I'm not sure on the 3.5
So is there models with this reticle calibrated for 7.62x39, 5.45x39 and. 308?
+Carlos Martinez no; we tried to be quick in this video; check out the full ACSS video to see how it works for those calibers.
Mrgunsngear Channel Alright Thanks for the response. And I will.
Primary arms make optics for these calibers. I just purchased their 1-6x24 optic with acss in .308, .223, and 5.45. That model is pretty nice from what I have seen. It would be a good addition to an AR. I have it mounted on a vepr 54r.
Great review thank you. Good glass is worth the money. Wish I had 'em both.
+Whitesp44 indeed
Could you do a video on zeroing an ACOG properly?
Please, that would be awesome. "Zeroing for newbies."
You will shoot a target at 36 yards with your 300 yard marker. Once you get your grouping you are cleared hot to go down range. The bullet trajectory of a 5.56 is at the same height at 36 yards as it is at 300. That's why that works. It rises till like 150 then starts to slowly come back down.
Remember, you still have to use the 200 yard marker for 200 yards, so on and so forth.
I know this is off topic to the video but I've noticed you've used both carbine and mid length gas systems. The BCM recce is a mid length if I'm not mistaking so my question to you is which do you prefer and why? I'm having trouble deciding between a psa upper with an 11 inch sqr free float and it comes in both carbine and mid length gas systems. Please help
+Ryan Espinosa Complex question. Short answer---both work just fine and I'd use either for defensive use. Long answer----I'll make a video!
Is that rifle a little over gassed for the buffer weight? I always try to have mine drop the brass around 4.30, and with a can, they go around 2-3 o'clock. Opps, just saw that was a 308, not sure if they work the same......
Great video.
+ldm1962 :D
Primary arms has them on sale right now for $1100. You can get either the green dual illumination or the red. I don't know which would be better. Any pro's/con's to red or green? I'm used to red but noticed in this video you were rolling the green and I liked it as well.
I prefer green all around unless you're primarily using it in the woods
If you had to choose between 2 different versions of the trijicon , your options being Trijicon TA-01 NSN ACOG or Trijicon TA31 ACSS, which would you choose? Trying to decide on an ACOG for my SHTF rifle.
for a SHTF rifle ACSS
Have you had the opportunity to field test a VCOG yet? Would like to hear your thoughts on that sight system.
As always, very thorough vids bro...Thx
+Robert Smith thanks
Is it a chevron in the center, or a dot? All of the reviews that I've seen use different pictures of the ACSS reticle, since different scopes have chevrons or dots, and I can't quite make it out when you're showing the reticle brightness.
chevron
Awesome, thanks! With that confirmation, I went ahead and ordered one from PA. I'm uber excited to finally have an ACOG, and of course it's going right onto my A4, lol.
well, it took a while, but I've got the money saved up for an acog. You and sootch00 had me almost order this one w/ acss ret. but now I can't decide between it and a 3.5x35 ta11. Longer eye relief and wider field of view vs slightly longer magnification and lighter 4x32. Have you ever used a 3.5x35? I know it boils down to personal preference, but wanted to know your opinion before I make the purchase. thanks.
+Jason Bates I haven't use the 3.5x
I am in the same boat as you Jason, can't decide between the ta11h-g or the ta11 acss. To make matters worse I am now thing of the heavy vortex razor had gen 2 1-6x24. But I keep going back to the ta11. Wish they made the ta11h-g with acss. If they did I would buy it now.
+Aaron Schutz I ended up going with ta31f green chevron. got a pretty sweet deal on it. really satisfied with it. saved quite a bit on it that I spent the extra money on a 3.5 lb trigger which makes it even more of a dream to shoot.
I just picked up the LED Green 4x32(TA02-D-100394) for my Tavor. I really enjoyed the break down on the yardage/windage. I dont shoot a lot, so i dont want to have to dope my scope. What are your thoughts on the Razorback rail for the Tavor to bring up the height of the optic? Im also planning on getting an extended forgrip. im 6"2 and have an above average ape index. I just feel like the extended forgrip might make it a little easier for me to handle. Thx for the great videos keep them coming
I've never used it.
Just got the 3.5x35 TA11EG, love it!
+SigBoy1911 J awesome
I assume the mount that it comes with will hold a zero well after taking the optic on and off the weapon? Thanks! This is probably one of the best reviews I have seen on an optic and has me now even considering buying this instead of an Elcan! Love the feature of the reticle.
+vietmontague Never tried it. Thanks
No taking the optic off looses zero. We had ACOGS while I was enlisted and that was a common problem. So far I do not know of any mount for an AR that holds zero after removal. I could be wrong though.
One of the biggest dilemmas holding me back from purchasing an ACOG was choosing the reticle... I like the speed of the horseshoe, but also like the accuracy the chevron provides. The ACSS negates that argument.
indeed
I got the usmc trijicon version and I love it. Def gonna buy another one
awesome
What is the size of the reticle compared to a, let’s say TA31H reticle? It appears that the ACSS reticle is smaller compared to trijicons reticle. Anyone have any input? Thanks
So the T31 is calibrated to both .556 and .308. If so, I think this will next optic for my SCAR 17.
+51011 the ACSS is, yes
Thx Mr G&G!
+mrsamuels5 Thank you good to know!
Red or Green? I see you have a green one. What made you choose green vs red or is that just what was sent for T&E?
Just checking in. Would like to know if you prefer one color over the other and why
Would you prefer the 4x Trijicon TA-31 ACOG, over the Primary Arms 1-6x24? Your thoughts would be appreciated.
+Timothy Harris depends on the intended use
+Timothy Harris : I've been running the 1-6x for about a year now on my GF's carbine, primarily for the ACSS reticle and the low price. (same on her AR10, with their 4-14x). I'm and X-Army SRT Marksman, and like Gunny Waha above, I would have loved to have that reticle on my A3 in the desert (or on my M21, for that matter). The 1-6x gets you the reticle, but it doesn't get you the high-end, crisp, bright glass of an ACOG... if you compare the two on optical clarity, the 1-6 is much dimmer, and not nearly as crisp (and the variable feature, combined with the illumination level knobs add a significantly higher complexity to the solution... not a great thing under self defense or combat conditions!). But... for 1/4 the price of an ACOG (and 1/3 the price of the "next best" variable solutions such as the burris 1-5x, the leopolds, the trijicons, etc), the 1-6x is really the best solution on a civilian rifle, if you can't throw down $1300 on an ACOG. But if you can save the money...wow... Almost a pound lighter than the 1-6x (when you consider total package weight)... much faster to find and ID a target out to 300 (due to the optical quality), not too bad under 50 yards with 4x (I run troy offsets with a Blitzkrieg chevron for CQB anyway), and the simplicity of a 4x should not be undervalued... much easier to train up to a higher tactical skill level with a 4x, rather than a short mag variable (and don't forget, the #1 sniper in all world history, the Russian WW2 guy, got over 200 confirmed with either his 4x scope, or open sights!... Its the skills that really make a shooter, not the hardware). While I like the 6x over the 4x past 300 yards (using any optic, high-end or low end), I do not like the significant extra weight, and unless you are in a combat arms unit; shooting at known, armed hostiles past 300 yards with a 5.56 cartridge is very, very unlikely, even in civilian shtf scenarios. IMO, it really comes down to the price range you can truely afford without too much pain, or risk of having to resell an optic to making rent. As a more seasoned guy in this game, after a while I realized I wanted high-end optics on my primary rifle far more than I needed a 4th handgun, or another rifle or shotgun. That is why I run an ACOG on my carbine, and a higher-end bushnell 3-21x on my 308 DMR. Build a single perfect rifle, not collect a half a dozen mediocre ones!
i spent $2,198 on my lwrc ic-a5, so the $1,100 i spent on my ta31f wasnt too bad by comparison.
These are the best reviews on UA-cam , they are no bullshit and no ego included, facts after use, and honest opinion. That being said , I used the ACOG and it is a very good optic , but it has it's draw backs. The ACSS reticle is the best innovation for a combat optic I have seen in 36 of gunning "22 yr.'s USMC", I would have traded my left nut for one when I was in Iraq. Ranging ability is EVERYTHING 90% of missed are ranging related. I currently have two of the Primary Arms 1x6 ACCS scopes , one on a .308 and one on a .223 and I would not trade them for a $ 2000. anything ! The Circle Dot "illuminated reticle is combat proven , this combined with accurate ranging to 800 meters makes it the most versatile and effective combat optics on the planet. I must have 1x ability for close in gunning and a fixed 4x does not do it. Being able to choose the brightness of illumination or the ability to turn it off and use the etching in bright sunlight is a huge plus. This is just an opinion of an old Gunnery Sgt. that has been from the Tigress to the Euphrates's, Beirut to Panama. But I am sure James Jaeger thinks he knows better.
+Roha Waha awesome
+mrgunsngear have u had any experience with the bcm kmr alpha rail? and if so could u do a review
+Martin Ollis I don't
Could this be mounted on a SAI standard with a low Basett mount or will the eye relief be a problem?
I wonder if they offer the version without the horseshoe I really like the chevron only version of PA optics.
not currently
any word on a 7.62x39 16in barrell calibration? I'd love to throw 1 on my VZ2008. the acog is what I trained with in bootcamp back in 2013
+Desmend Yarbrough not sure
Check out primary arms. Its not an acog but when you have variable magnification with an etched reticle for litterally 1/4 of the price. It is worth the look.
How does this Trijicon ACOG compare to the EOTech with magnifier? Which do you prefer and why?
+teddy7367 This is certainly more durable/rugged but you don't have 1x capability
Is there a chance that ACOG will make a 3.5 version ACOG with the ACSS reticle?
let's hope
Ever mounted one on an AK? I'm planning on getting one for my slr-104 and was wondering how well it works.
+Clay pigeon (Gunznstuf97) Not this model; no
ive read that the ranging portion for height is small and difficult to read. How was it for you?
no issues at all
Do you know if Trijicon will retrofit an ACOG with this reticle?
I have a TA 11 that I wouldn't mind changing to this reticle if it's available.
+pistonar I don't know.
+Mrgunsngear Channel Okay. I'll ask Trijicon. Thanks. Great video as always.
That reticle is amazing and the fact its on an ACOG is a deal closer,
So Primary Arms designs reticles ? I do not understand why that Demitrei designed that ? Thanks!!!
yes
I plan to acquire ACOG by trading with 3 cans of Campbell's chicken n rice after SHTF.
Solid plan
Sootchoo has a video about his being sent back to them for new trini.
+Rikki Wells indeed
How did you get the ACSS reticle on an ACOG? Is it any different from their normal horsehsoe reticle?
+E. White It's offered now; hence the video. Yes.
awesome video, thanks so much brother. your always on point with the intel. I've been wanting to get one for awhile I guess the price is what's held me back, but you get what you pay for.
+Al Gardner Often indeed
I realize the marks are for 5.56 but would 223 cause a noticeable difference while aiming with this sight?
slightly at 600 yards or more
+Ean Gibson depends on each load
Excellent review! I think I'm sold! Any advantage of the red retical over the green I think I prefer the green?
+Spence62 some prefer green in daytime (I do) but others prefer the red for low light. Preference really.
One other downside is you can't focus the ACOG to your eye. My right eye is not 20/20 and I can't read the numbers without wearing glasses. I don't have this problem with their x4 ACSS 7.62x39 because the reticle is larger.
+FreelancerSD79 interesting; thanks
Nice review man. This is off topic but what camera are you using? Haha!
+BOWDOWN-AR15 thanks. CX900 as primary
You get what you pay for. You want cheap , you'll get cheap results. Always wanted a acog. May pick it up
+Dpas0514 it's a sweet one fir sure
Do you find that the eye relief on the 4x Acog to be annoyingly short or is it tolerable?
+rassi13 tolerable
There's a cool trick I learned to use the ACOG at closer ranges. Increase your eye relief to 4ish inches or roughly be able to fit a fist between your eye and the rear lense. Keep both eyes open and you can basically use the 4x scope like a red dot.
Would you tell me what handguard you're using on your AR. Around the 30 second mark. Thanks.
+Angel King if you post a screenshot on my facebook page I'll let you know
Sorry brotha, I don't have FB. Thanks though.
How would the 4x optic work indoors? Would that be a little too much magnification?
+neanderthor66 preference really. Marines that use it all the time say it's a non issue so I guess it depends
Increase your eye relief to like 4ish inches and keep both eyes open. It works like a red dot. But also, at very close ranges, you can just look over the damn thing and point your muzzle at it.
Is there any word of them adding the ACSS reticle to the TA02 Acog?
+quietlion06 unfortunately no
Thanks for the quick response! And keep up the great videos!!
Love your video man I just bought my Trijicon ta31
nice
these are back in stock by the way. I just got the email. Ik you said you were going to post it on facebook I just didnt know if you did or not
+Frank Valente thanks!
Thank you for your Service.
you're welcome
I've heard rumours that ACOGs are terribly optimized for AR15 "cheek rests". With other words, they are generally uncomfortable to use.
Does this have any validity? Is it just true for *some* ACOGs, or is it completely BS?
+gabrocki it's preference IMO
+gabrocki I call bullshit. I love my TA33. Love it. There's nothing uncomfortable about it, at all. In fact, the eye relief is extremely forgiving for a 3x optic, and it's actually more forgiving than even Trijicon says it is in the literature about it. I think they say that the max eye relief is like 1.9 inches, but in reality the eye relief is more like 3-4 inches. Seriously. I can make a video of that, measuring it with a tape measure if you like.
GunsNBudder Nah buddy it's not necessary, I believe you guys. It was just something I recall reading on some forums by one person, and I thought I'd ask it here, too.
I must say the answers here were quite satisfying haha
I really would like to buy a acog but really don't no the model that's for me.the price on the TA-31 and TA-33 are just in my buget.i just bought a vortex strike eagel 1x6 just so I could shoot at some 100 yard plus targets that I couldn't do with my standard red dot.problem is its really heavy.
$1100 OUCH!! reticle looks awesome, def day bright, too bad its fixed 4 power. how is this for close range? looks like in the shooting video it was a 100yd target
+Brian Fish it's always a compromise with fixed power. But, lots of Marines say it's quite do-able so who knows.
I recently bought my dad an Ar-10 with no optics. Need help or suggestions putting them on.
+Juan Vasquez Ok. Just shoot me a message or post on my wall on Facebook
I just want to be the first to say I love your hair
+Nigel Styles Certainly not the first!
Can you mount back up irons like the TAO1NSN ? Thank You keep up the good work..
+millerman not sure what that is
Do you have a part number for that? My gun store can't find it.
+WeThePeople Only available through PA or their Amazon store: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B016CK7MGQ/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B016CK7MGQ&linkCode=as2&tag=akarshoot-20&linkId=YXZKX7357YZ4ZSWL
+Mrgunsngear Channel Thanks, what's the big difference between the red and green? Is one more for color blindness or just for preference.
what acog would you recommend for coyotes don't wanna spend this kind of money on coyotes/other hunting
TA33 is a little cheaper
Please gets your hands on the new PA 1-8 platnium.
I have one in for review; lots of discussion on my Facebook page
Awesome as no one has a review out.
I cant wait for the video.
Are they worth it for a good AR? I've always wanted one, but that price tag is insane.
Worth is relative to the user so can't say
Now I want one!
+Tommie Gun do it :D
I loved them overseas, yet for the price I can't afford them at their price point
+zack9912000 fair enough
I can buy 2 hand guns or do another AR build for the price of an ACOG.
+Andre Morales you can.
I only run nightforce on my 10/22 s
Does Trijicon still offer the ACSS reticle?
+amoledor yes, backordered
Love my Acog!
+whiskey papa they're solid for sure
Does this come with all the goodies other acogs come with?
+bigbadbubba1337 yes
does trijicon still make this i cannot find it online
+Frank Valente yes but they're out of stock currently. When they come back in I'll post it up on my facebook page---I get this question multiple times per day.
+Mrgunsngear Channel looks like you and sootch sold them out lol. I wanted to put this on my 20 in AR. I got an rmr to put on top as well. Idk if I'm going to like that set up. We'll see when they get back in stock again. Thanks for the great vids
do you like the green or red more?
+xXGEN3RALXx green day, red night
The acog on my m4 has been coming lose constantly not the mount to the rail but the optic to the mount. Took it off and turned it into the arms room. Really can't stand it.
+chaset371 did you try loctite?
+Mrgunsngear Channel I used a paint marker, supply nor the Arms room will order loctite. I'm done spending extra money trying to get my issued shit working haha
looks like I have yet another TA31 to save up for
+WJP556 indeed.
what 308 bullet is this for?
+Alex Hatzenbuhler m80
These are now available. 5 left.
+Baddmnkey1 thanks
Another downside is there is no diopter so if you wear glasses with a significant prescription, you'll have to wear them while shooting.
+Stephen Fay thanks
I gotta get me one of those face masks (2:30). Would you please point me in the right direction..? Also- You should post links to your other masks in the video description. Inquiring minds wanna know. ;-)
+Night Fury ebay has tons
Awesome