Drogon has the Intellect of a well trained Golden retriever. While Smaug has Human levels intelligence, can speak and has thousands of years of experience.
@@jascrandom9855 You forgot to mention that Smaug has the physical advantage being far more durable. We saw how weak the dragons armour was in GoT, and how impenetrable Smaug's armour was. Smaug's claws would rip into Balerion with ease, and hold his mouth open and breathe fire down his throat (like Godzilla did to the muto). Idc if Smaug is smaller than any dragon from GoT he wins because they can't do much to him.
@@slim7406 Well, they both harmed by Ballistas. And Drogon is far from being the largest Dragon that has lived in Planetos. Aegon The conqueror's Dragon was the sizes of a 747. I think that Drogon could Hurt Smaug his fire and claws. Smaug's real advantage is his Intellect.
@@jascrandom9855 Drogon was hurt by a normal ballista, Smaug isn't hurt by normal ballistas. And it has to be in a certain spot because they can hardly pierce his armour, also Drogon and the other dragons would be hurt by just by getting hit by one. Balerion is around the size of Smaug, and Smaug has tougher armour, since he already has the intellectual advantage and now the physical advantage it'd be a fairly easy win for the gold hoarder.
Simon K for anyone wondering ancalagan the black is probably twice the size of gidorah in this new Godzilla movie maybe smaller but that’s how big he was.
@@enomisv9830 In large part because of his prowess and strength compared to the average human. If Aragorn went and challenged the most prodigious young man in the whole of middle earth and he used this lightweight adamantium bullshit, there's more than a good chance he wins. And honestly there is nothing backing that up other than the respect for prodigies. They exist and there is a chasm between them and normal people when it comes to their special skill.
Smaug would destroy every dragon In GOT. I love Tolkien and I love GOT. As books I actually prefer game of thrones but I still have to give it to Smaug. Powerful, old, intelligent and can speak which makes him a lot more scarier.
@@Deepak__Mehta Then it wouldn't make sense, many of Tolkiens Dragons could speak, but none of Martins. So it wouldn't make that much sense if one could talk but not the others
Tolkien’s dragons are ALL vastly more powerful and intelligent. In the Silmarillion the largest dragon that existed flattened three Mt Everests. Yes, it was that fricking huge. The progenitor while it couldn’t fly could talk, had psychic powers, played mind games like Hannibal Lecter, could breathe poison, and aside from a soft underbelly was considered invincible. There’s a reason GRRM respects Prof Tolkien.
"My armor is iron! My teeth are swords! My claws, spears! A strike from my tail- a thunderbolt! My wings are a hurricane! And my breath- DEATH!" -Smaug Drogon: Fucking Christ, dude...
J. R. R. Tolkien's dragons- Sentient evil beasts. George R. R. Martin's dragons-Ferocious, fire-breathing animals capable of being tamed and trained to a certain extent.
One books dragons are the army commanders. Brain jumblers. And all those as basically a big snake, no fire, no flight...... The fire and wing donned ones too were army commanders. Other books dragons are mounts. With benefits, of which none surpass their lotr equivalent. Basically horses. Ever seen a horse commanding an army? Though one was nearly made a senator I believe.
He doesn't have Valyrian blood so his words wouldn't affect GRRM dragons. Meraxes had to be shot through the eye, as GRRM dragons grow they also develop very hard scales. So if we put Balerion up with Smaug and Smaug started talking, I think Balerion would rip his tongue out.
@@Blaz_-te2kulol how? An aggressive animal vs. a cunning and intelligent killing machine and you think the animal could even get to his tongue? 😂 Also, Smaug could literally just hypnotise him
One Scorpion Arrow can kill a dragon from a song of ice and fire but it takes two black arrows to take down Smaug ( one to damage his scale and one to pierce his flesh) and you have to precisely hit that spot where you removed the part of scale whereas SOIAF dragons can die from a scorpion arrow hitting any vital part of their body.
There's only been one dragon to ever have been killed by a scorpion in the ASOIAF series and it was hit directly in the eye so I doubt that really counts for anything. Especially considering that a scorpion is a fucking ballista, while a black arrow only has to be shot with a bow to actually damage Smaug. I love both series, and Smaug would definitively destroy most of the dragons in ASOIAF, but I think Balerion would beat Smaug.
You seem to be freely interchanging Game of Thrones (the tv series) and A Song of Ice and Fire (the book series). Only one dragon has been killed by a scorpion bolt in the books, and that was a one in a million shot that pierced its eye. It has been stated multiple times in Fire and Blood that scorpion bolts bounced off the scales of multiple dragons
Aren't there weaker dragons in LOTR too? Scorpion ballista bolts have to be aimed precisely in the eye, as far as books go. Even in the show, Viserion died getting impaled in the neck while firebreathing. This was probably possible because the White Walkers seem to have monstrous physical strength. Rhaegal was considerably injured from the previous fight. On the other hand, Drogon took a ballista bolt from Bron and only got slightly injured. Balerion is much larger and so is his muscle mass and density, even if the bolts happen to succeed in piercing his skin, they should fail to do anything remotely fatal to a dragon his size.
@@Ananta9817 there is weaker dragons in lotr, i assume. That statement was only based in show dragons and the hobbit movie. In the show dragons are severely injured by a scorpion bolt rhaegal got severly injured after a first shot , rest two made to confirm the kill , even drogon got completely flightless after the first bolt to the sholder by bronn.
As GRRM admits, he would be pretty biased to wish his own creations would win. Smaug vs Balerion could make for a great fight. We see that Vhagar is like a big flying Godzilla, but doesn't have a sentient intelligence of Smaug. Dragons are clearly capable of some sort of reasoning (dragons seemed to understand Tyrion's story when he was freeing them from captivity), but at the same time they are clearly controlled by animalistic instincts and riders (unless well experienced) will struggle to keep them under control. To compare, Smaug is intelligent, crafty and impossible to kill unless you hit his specific weak spot with help of master archer using a special black arrow (which is somewhat enhanced by magic) or if you bring in some heavy duty ordnance like powerful supernatural beings. I would give it to Smaug, both against Drogon and also Balerion, though the last one would be much more even, unless Smaug prepared a trap or something like that. Maybe charm him with a spell, like Glaurung, though not sure if he was capable of that. Balerion was clearly GRRM's equivalent of Ancalagon the Black of Tolkien universe. In this case, Ancalagon basically eats him the same way Vhagar got rid of poor Arrax. Balerion could swallow mammoths whole, while Ancalagon was a size of a mountain range, as he emerged and could touch all 3 peaks of Thangorodrim (fortress of Morgoth).
The crazy thing of him crushing the peaks of thangorodrim is the fact that the mountains must have been a few km apart,mf hit the ground with the impact of a nuke
Smaug would eat Balerion for breakfast, and use Drogon as toothpick. After all, he is in direct line from Glaurung. He is roughly the sise of two jumbojets. :-)
In the atlas of Middle-earth by Karen Wynn Fonstad smaugh is said to be about 18 meters 59 feet while Balerion is from what I found 76 meters /249.343 feet long and 180 meters /590 feet wide. He is way bigger than smaugh but smaugh has the advantage of his intelect and cunning and the fact that he can use magic.
@Raylan Givens he is in fact the smallest winged dragon in the legendarium. Still large and powerful enough to take Erebor by himself when he was basically a child. Yeah every single dragon in the history of Westeros are pigeons compared to the dragons of middle earth on many different metrics - size, magical abilities, intelligence and durability to name some. Balerion the black dread could fully spread his wings and maybe even fly a little inside Ancalagon the black 😅 that's the size difference we're working with. It's like a human next to a blue whale - we can swim around in their arteries. That's how fucking huge they are 😮
Smaug has the intelligence of a human with high IQ, he doesn't even need to fight the dragons from GoT, he can just trick and ambush them, the dragons from GoT are just as smart as a dog 😆
This. Yeah, he's a bit stronger than Balerion, but in a straight brawl The Dread and Smaug, chances would be 60-40 for Smaug. Thing is... Samug would neve go for a straight brawl.
@@marcospatricio8283 Balerion is stronger and bigger,he's also much more experienced,smaug isn't that powerful and he's one of the mid dragons,most ASOIAF dragons would trash smaug,they are extremely powerful and destroy most LOTR dragons with only exception being ancalagon
@@jadenmcmillan4306... really even in a video where the writer himself says only Balerion is enough to give 'some trouble', you still wanna say this. You are hopeless. You'd argue day is night while it's so bright out you have to wear shades. You are the fantasy fan equivalent of a flat eather. 'Ignore what the creator of a song of ice and fire dragons just said, they win. I know he just said only Balerion is enough to give some trouble and he still dosent know if its enough, but he dosent know anything about his own dragons. I do they are much stronger than the creator says. Even if they do die of old age by 200 and can barley fly around a city twice by that age.' 🤣
@@ryanwalker8843 so u have chosen to argue In the lore dragons in song of ice and fire They are powerful lord of the rings dragons are built for personality while song of ice and fire dragons are built for they're power I know the lore stop acting like I don't
@@jadenmcmillan4306 "I know the lore". Also THE CREATOR knows the lore. And is THE CREATOR the one who says "Yeah, no. My dragons are powerful but no that powerful". Yeh... Even if he had "chosen death", it isn't you who can bring it
Smaug smashes right through Drogon. Smaug is larger, much more intelligent, and has a way tougher scale armor system to get through. They only killed him by shooting at a gap in his scales on the underside. that armor also gives Smaug the edge over Balerion the Black Dread. Tolkien made his dragons to be almost unstoppable beasts whereas GRRM made his dragons to be actual animals.
Smaug would lure them to his side. Just imagine dragons fighting for the throne too! Imagine them making alliances with families against other. Plotting and causing troubles. That's would've been GREAT
Why would they ever need to make any alliances with people? It wouldn't be a fight - it would be a slaughter with little to no human survivors. No plots needed. Just a "lets fly guys" and every person is a pile of ash within a week. Hell Smaug isn't even needed.. You saw how Drogon completely annihalated the entirety of Kings Landing by himself in a couple of hours. They didn't stand a chance.. And he is both smaller, dumber and much easier to kill than Smaug. It would be like shooting fish in a barrel to them 😅
smaug wins easy, and that says a lot considering that in tolkiens work, smaug is a butterfly compared to dragons that lived in the first age (glaurung, ancalagon)
even tough you are right, regular arrows cant hurt westerosi dragons, you even can see arrows bouncing off their scales, the thing that penetrated was an ballista bolt.
Nah, during the gold train massacre, lots of archers shot arrows at Drogon and they just bounced off of him. But...stinger, or scorpion, or whatever it's called, the one that shoots those big person sized bolts....those go through dragons like a knife through butter. So GoT dragons are pretty flimsy to serious penetrative attacks.
@@TheGrandmaster1 It depends on the size, the bigger the dragon, the thicker the scales. A big guy like Drogon could easily tank arrows, as we see in the show, but a smaller dragon could probably be wounded by regular arrows. They are not born with vibranium scales or anything
If Smaug was in Game of Throne, then the Iron bank is no longer safe as this is where they keep all their gold and smaug loves gold. Rendering the Lannister to be broke and without gold to pay their army and the Golden company. He may be smart to speak in the language of Valyeria, but that just a speculation. But I don't know about if Smaug can defeat the Night King, but he is strong enough to lay waste of Westeros, Essos as long he sees them as a threat to steal his gold.
@@ismata3274 Yes...I mean, he can even destroy multiple universes if this is the wish. However, i think it is unfair to treat him like a dragon. He is more like a plot device, not a character.
@@Neb-uj4xt I don't know the ASOIAF lore very well, but Drogon is Daenarys' dragon, right? So she named her dragon after her husband? (who died? I think?) That's kinda... sweet I guess. :D
He is great at naming tho. Drogon is Daenarys being childish, she is after all 13-14 years old and names the dragons after his loved ones Drogon (Her Dothraki husband), Rhaegal (His older brother), and Viserion (His older brother that even as an abuser he was family). Then you get names that are not made by a teenager girl like Baleron, Vhagar, Meraxes, Vermithor, Silverwing, Caraxes, Sunfyre, Dreamfyre, all very cool and original names. Then you get wild Dragons named by the peasants, the simpleminded small folk: The Cannibal, Sheepstealer, Grey Ghost. George's naming convention is solid despite him being repetitive which is not him being lazy but being inspired by real medieval history. THere were dozens of princes in France named Louis just like there are Aegons in his world. Ofcourse, you would know this if you read the books.
@@purefoldnz3070 pretty sure one of the slavers "chuckles" when she mentions their names. But it's a blink and you miss it from A Storm of Swords iirc. The books are written from POV, so you never know what others are saying in secret, just what they say infront of the POV character and you need to be brave if you are going to mock the mother of dragons about her naming conventions.
I respect martin for not trashtalking Tolkien's work like other times for example how Gandalf should have stayed dead. He simply acknowledged that his dragons are just huge weapons and not intelligent creatures like middle earth's dragons. Good for you Martin you earned my respect. Now finish asoiaf so we can have a proper closure
He never "trashtalked" tolkien. we all have things we like and dislike about the books we love. He loves gandalf the grey more than galdalf the white. he loves aragorn as ranger more than aragorn in the later books. George has said Gandalf dying was hugh influences for him to raise the stacks in asoiaf and potentially kill even the main character. Some of the fans take his comment out of context to make him out like a tolkein hater. click bait headlines and youtube titles like those get more views. if you watch more of his interviews you would realise he is the one of the biggest tolkein admirers. George famously said "They can keep their heaven. When I die, I’d sooner go to middle Earth."
@Raylan Givens He would have been disgusted with his work lmao. Not to say that GRRM's work is bad, I love it, just Tolkien is from a different era, with different sensibilities
Meanwhile, Ancalagon was big enough to swallow Balerion the same way Balerion could swallow a cow. I still have no clue how Earandil killed him, but I doubt it was via means replicable by any being in ASOIAF.
Probably used the Silmaril, that thing burns evil creatures, even scorched Morgoth's hand beyond repair. So it probably just burnt Ankalagon's skull or heart through.
He had a flying ship, a Silmaril and the help of Thorondor, Lord of the Eagles. And every one of the Eagles of the First Age. No actual details of how he managed it are given, besides the battle between Ancalagon and the forces arrayed against him lasted a day and a night before Earendil slew him before dawn.
Dragons in LOTR are very different from most fantasy dragons. They aren't animals, they aren't even great rare animals like the dragons from GOT, they're described as calamities. One dragon can literally destroy a kingdom and turn the tide of a massive war between supernatural beings. The dragons of LOTR were created by Morgoth who is essentially the devil
Imagine Aegon the Conqueror astride Ancalagon He becomes the Ancestral Dragon of Westeros. Only those worthy to ride him are fit to rule. (In essence, HE rules Westeros)
Smaugs downfall was his unmitigated rage coupled with his arrogance. He sees Bard and knows exactly what he's aiming for but still goes for the kill. Smaug would be bigger stronger and smarter than Drogon by alot. Balerion would be about the same size as Smaug but again intelligence comes into play but Balerion would also have far more combat experience so that fight would be worth seeing.
Smaug pretty much solos the GoT dragons and takes Kings Landing and the iron throne as his new lair. Hes just on a way higher level than the GoT dragons.
George R R Martin, basically just Said Smaug, the SMALLEST dragon in middle Earth, is about the equivalent of ,Balerion, the BIGGEST dragon in Westeros. Acalagon would have been a fucking beast in comparison jfc.
@@Dragonlover553 Which was originally caused precisely by a Black Arrow, shot by Bard's ancestor. Only he missed so much that he hit Smaug only *once.*
The arrows can't pierce his scales, they can pierce through the tissue on his underbelly which has no scales protecting it, otherwise he's completely invulnerable, it's a one in a million shot that would have never happened if Smaug was more careful.
Literally answered it how I would have. Drogon gets stomped. Balerion was trained as a war dragon, and engaged in at least one dance, that against Quicksilver. where Smaug is intelligent and cunning Balerion is brutal and a beast. That would be a cooler fight. But remember, GRRM's dragons are very different to TOlkiens which are based more off of Norse and Brythonic dragons. GRRM's dragons arguably aren't natural, but created artificially by sorcerers and have since become species. Their mating habits and hatching habits are considered a mystery. Its unknown truly how much they bother to care for their own young, and its even speculated quite a few dragons kill their own young as their young get older. Classical dragons are these wizened old beasts of immense power, but are very lazy. It's one of the beauties of George's writing. He plays with two phiosophical concepts often. Identity and materialism. Despite consant references to the gods in Asoiaf, there is honestly very little proof for any of thsoe gods. But we do have A LOT of proof of magic being used to effect our material world, and being used to attain power. The beauty of ASOIAF is it is so material.
They are just on a different level...dragons from Martin's universe are basically animals, intelligent like dogs, but still just animals. Dragons from Middle - Earth are beings with human-like mental character, they talk human languages and are able of making strategic plans of their own, not to mention their lifespan is by far longer than GoT dragons. In terms of strength, winged dragons were Morgoth's final card...they were strong enough to pull back the host of the Valar under the command of the strongest and biggest dragon ever lived, Ancalagon the Black whose size was so great he could hide the Sun with his wings open. These beasts are not to be tamed by humans or others like dogs, indeed they were mounted but not by humans, by Balrogs which are basically demons in fire-like flesh form and immune to weapons used by humans. Balrogs never really tamed the dragons, they mounted them and the dragons accepted that only because it was their master's order, who is basically the devil of Middle Earth.
Imagine Smaug in game of thrones while being 6300+ years old😅 Balerion was the biggest and died a little over 200 years old. Drogon would be a small snack for him if Smaug was in proportion to his age.
Don't forget that every single dragon in Tolkien's works is literally made by Melkor/Morgoth a living Dark God while Martin's were only produced by magically inbred humans who absolutely are no match or in near level as Morgoth's power.
@@ElectronerpProductions Depends on whether Alduin is in the form we see him in during the game, or if he's in the form he takes when the time comes for him to eat the world, where he becomes absolutely enormous (big enough to literally eat Nirn) and gains the power to match. Regular Alduin would probably struggle against Smaug, but True Form(tm) Alduin could literally swallow him whole. Of course, Elder Scrolls lore being as unreliable and prone to change as it is, it's possible that the "True Form" is just metaphorical, so who knows, really.
Sure, Drogon is cool, powerful even, but he isn't "Truly" sapient. He is intelligent on a base level, but Smaug is truly intelligent, more so than many humans. Smaug is also much more violent natured and has far more experience. Drogons strong, Smaug is stronger. Far stronger. Now Balerion might be a challenge, just because of his ungodly size, and battle IQ.
I'm not going to say the creator of a character is wrong about their capabilities, however I don't think it's as simple as he makes it out to be. Call me out if i get anything wrong. Going off of show drogon and source material smaug, there's an important thing about drogon that's worth talking about. Dragons in asoiaf are completely immune to the effects of heat and fire while they are alive, and asoiaf dragonfire seems *deeply* magical in a number of ways. Smaug's fire breath--while incredibly hot--doesn't seem to have any effects that would negate drogon's fire immunity. Dragonfire in asoiaf has very interesting effects on different things, and it seems that drogon can control the effects his fire has. In the show we can see baby drogon cooking and eating bits of meat, his fire doesn't ignite the flesh, just chars it like conventional fire would. In another scene where baby drogon kills the sorcerer, his fire is shown to easily ignite flesh, spreading over and completely incinerating flesh and bone with bone with *unreasonable* efficiency. It seems chemically impossible how quickly drogon's fire turns people into pure white ash. The capacity for his dragonfire to either cook meat or completely incinerate it over similar time frames with no change in the color or amount of fire used is demonstrated time and time again in the show and implies a magical effect drogon is capable of controling. Dragonfire also has the ability to enchant steel and give it supernatural properties. Smaug is much larger, stronger, smarter, and more durable than drogon while also being immune to conventional fire. Smaug would certainly kill drogon assuming he could engage with him physically and avoid his main weapon. The question is then, how would smaug deal with drogon's magic super fire? Would he be outright immune? Smaug is shown to be vulnerable to magic arrows, is he vulnerable to drogon's magic fire?
Smaug had one weakness, he was the villain of a children's book. That is why a single lucky, if fate blessed, arrow was able to kill him and why in a hundred years he never re-grew the old scale on his chest. Even Ancalon the Black had a similar narrative need to be beaten, so magic space flying ship. Suspend the need for evil to be defeated, Smaug would obviously beat Drogon. He is probably the size of The Black Dread, but smarter, and his breathe might have been strong enough to melt rings of power. Which if it could, would defeat Balerion's harronhall destroying breathe. The fight could end 3 ways. 1. Smaug defends from the lonely mountain and beats Balerion in a beam struggle. 2. Balerion is instructed by Aegon to collapse the mountain trapping Smaug forevermore. 3. Battle in the air where both mortally wound each other. Smaug does not heal a missing scale after a century, and Balerion died of a wound from some beast in the doom.
Smaug could wear Drogon like a neck-tie. Balerion… Hmm… My money is still on Smaug. Both have extremely hot and dangerous fire-breath, and are also largely impervious to said fire. But Smaug, I believe, has a weight advantage. He covered his belly in gold and jewels, and when he fell his carcass took most of lake-town with it. I think he could pin and crush Balerion, but Balerion absolutely has the potential to get a nasty bite or scratch in on him. There’s even the potential tie option that Smaug pins Balerion, is slain by a claw or bite to the neck, but then Balerion is unable to lift Smaug off of himself and summarily perishes as well.
A better question I feel is after enough time will the Dragons of a Song of Ice and Fire also be able to speak? It is said they are even more intelligent than humans. Give ‘em a thousand years, would they learn to speak like Smaug?
They’d need the biological capacity to form language with their mouths and breath. You never know but I find it unlikely if they never display “baby level talk” when they’re young
I know that we are discussing whether or not it's possible that non-existing being could talk, but hear me out. No, they can't. Their vocal chords are not designed or developed to for complex words, even if their intellect would be high enough to come up with a language, they would have no way to voice their words. A metal vocal coach has explained in one (or several of his videos) how to access your "dumb"/less developed false chords to produce essentially inhuman noises. These underdeveloped vocal chords are all that most animals have. So I think it's fairly safe to say that for most animals or creatures, it is not just a matter of intelligence, intellect or learning, but a matter of being physically incapable of communicating through complex language.
Friendly reminder that the distinction between wyvern and dragon has no basis in actual historical folklore or iconography; dragons were widely depicted with either four legs or two, with no distinction drawn between them on the basis of leg count.
@@DavidEllis94 Quite correct. Dragons are defined by their role in fiction, not so much their anatomy. From a literary perpective there are only two or three true dragons in folklore. They arent animals but demonic beings, often a cursed mortal hero who is tasked with guarding a treasure but cursed for betraying his oath. Fafnir is the archetypical Dragon. A dwarven warrior who is cursed by Odin for taking the treasure he was meant to guard for his own. They are defined by their role as an embodyment of the paramount evil, which is greed. There is a lot to be criticized about the Hobbit movies but there were a few things that i appreciated. It may seem anticlimactic, that Smaug is killed at the beginning of the third movie, since he seems like the utmost antagonist but that actually matches the narrative structure of a Saga, which usually deals with the aftermath of a dragonfight. The dragon dies early on but wins in the end. The dragonfight happens at the beginning of the hero's journey. It marks him as the greates of warriors and the hoard gives him the social standing to mary above his station and attain power and kingship. At the same time, the hero always falls, as he is gripped by the curse of the hoard. He will the slowly becomes the dragon, as he is destroyed by greed and hybris. That goes to show you that anatomy is not what defines a dragon but its relationship to the hoard. This transformation is only spiritual, not physical but he still fills the same role as the dragon, thus is the dragon. He loses the invincibility of the Hero, which is invisible at first, because the takes on the invulnerability of the dragon. But that protection of the dragon is incomplete. The hero is invincible because of his prowess and the loyalty he inspires in his friends. And simply because he is the Hero. But he loses this loyalty as he transforms and ends wrapped up in envy and betrayl. Unlike the hero, the Dragon, although more powerfull, can be killed through guile because he has no friends. Sigurd/Siegfried even takes on physical characteristics of a dragon, after the fight, the same characteristic as Smaug: He is invulnerable save for one spot. Of cause Tolkiens works are not like nordic sagas, as they are utopian, whereas nordic sagas are quite grim and always end in catastrophy. Still Thorin suffers the same end as Sigurd . He becomes the dragon and gets wrapped up in greed and betrayl. Even though the story has a good ending, and Thorin gets to die as himself and die a heroic death, the death that death is still inevitable.
@@DavidEllis94 You completely missed the point but please, continue with your reddit brain rot comment of "Ouuh Acktually". Current day common classification lists Wyverns as two legged and dragons as four legged. Asianic Dragons have no wings but that's why they are referred to as Asianic and not just dragon isn't it?
@@dotmadhack They're Asiatic dragons because they are in the style of Asian depictions of dragons. European dragons are depicted as having legs, often, though not always, and, yes, that includes both two and four-legged dragons.
Smaug died because he talked too much, never forget that. Human is more intelligent and bigger than a chimpanzee, yet it would rip you to shreds in a fight. Besides, Caraxes was also able to kill Vhagar, although dying himself in the process.
Balerion, Vhaegar, and Meraxes maybe and thats a big maybe if they all jumped Smaug at the same time and piled on him and went for the neck.. thats if they could do that though..
people keep saying that the GoT dragons are to weak and stuff, but the 3 main dragons we see in the show and books are only a few years old, whereas smaug is a few hundred years old. You can't compare that because it's not a fair fight. And if we took the largest dragon in the GoT universe, Balerion, then it would be more equal. Balerion had a wingspan of 202 meters(there is a youtube video made by bridg4 esimating the size of balerion) and was a bit shorter in length, and smaug in the books had a length and wingsan of roughly 102 meters(smaug is not actually 20 meters in length, the drawing Tolkien made that is used as reference for the 20m length is not true as Tolkien himself said that the dwarf in the drawing is vastly oversized just so he can be visible, and an account used texts from the novels to estimate a length of 102 m). So balerion was bigger, but most likely not as smart. Balerion had fire hot enough to turn sand into straight up glass and to melt steel and stone, which would mean he had fire 1700 degrees celcius or higher. While smaug could talk, that would be useless in battle, however his intelligence would let him possibly come up with a strategy, unless he underestimates his opponent, again. So book balerion vs book smaug, is a fair fight.
well that is if we take books, movie smaug is like 130 meters long, while the largest GoT dragon Cannibal isin't even half of that size, movies really oversized smaug as fuck that isin't even a comaprison
I think Tolkien dragons have an advantage. Ancalogan the Black was so large he caused multiple mountains to collapse when he fell on them. While Glaurond despite not having wings could ruin entire lakes or fields within an hour. Smaug is the weakest of these yet he has there skills and possibly more intellect then Glaurond.
i like to imagine if smaug and Drogon meet face to face, what would Smaug's reaction be? Would he feel disgust that such a simple beast minded monster with wings is thought of as the same species as him? What will he do when he finds out that a monster that people think of as a dragon isnt even capable of having a proper conversation. Same thing if an alien comes and calls us literal chimps and see us as chimps.
Now, Vhagar, or Balerion, or any of the other heavyweights the Targaryens can field... that might be a closer matchup. (It still probably goes to Smaug because of the intelligence angle, though)
Drogen vs Smaug is a joke. But Balerion vs Smaug is a different Story. In the books Balerion is so much Bigger than Smaug. But in the Movies/Show Smaug was buffed and Balerion was Nerfed his had was as big as a Carriage while Smaugs Head was just way bigger. Book winner = probably Balerion if he can get through smaugs way tougher armor Show/Movie winner = Smaug, he is bigger, stronger and never ages. And he still has his armor.
The only thing Drogon has over Smaug is maybe his strength and ferocity, aside from that he literally has nothing over Smaug. Smaug is smarter, more durable, is resistant to Drogon’s fire breath since he’s a fire drake, and is also probably faster.
Drogon has the Intellect of a well trained Golden retriever. While Smaug has Human levels intelligence, can speak and has thousands of years of experience.
Smaug is way wiser than a human
@@Macoinebak Smaug is Intelligent and Knowledgeable, but he's not"Wise".
@@jascrandom9855 You forgot to mention that Smaug has the physical advantage being far more durable. We saw how weak the dragons armour was in GoT, and how impenetrable Smaug's armour was. Smaug's claws would rip into Balerion with ease, and hold his mouth open and breathe fire down his throat (like Godzilla did to the muto). Idc if Smaug is smaller than any dragon from GoT he wins because they can't do much to him.
@@slim7406 Well, they both harmed by Ballistas. And Drogon is far from being the largest Dragon that has lived in Planetos. Aegon The conqueror's Dragon was the sizes of a 747.
I think that Drogon could Hurt Smaug his fire and claws. Smaug's real advantage is his Intellect.
@@jascrandom9855 Drogon was hurt by a normal ballista, Smaug isn't hurt by normal ballistas. And it has to be in a certain spot because they can hardly pierce his armour, also Drogon and the other dragons would be hurt by just by getting hit by one. Balerion is around the size of Smaug, and Smaug has tougher armour, since he already has the intellectual advantage and now the physical advantage it'd be a fairly easy win for the gold hoarder.
Smaug was covered in liquid gold, which is a heavy metal and he still could take flight. That’s how powerful he is.
That's only in the movie
Ancient Darkness so
@@ancientdarkness3102 And drogon is really only a fraction of the size he is in the books so far compared to the show
Pain Nightmare well GRRM was obviously talking about the books though. “Dragon is barely big enough to get Dany into the sky” he’s huge in the show
Mike Cali ^ was for you not Pain Nightmare
Now if it were Smaug against Balerion, Vhaegar, and Meraxes together, it might be a fair battle.
Ancalagon the black will screw them all together
@@BrySmi adding Species 8472 as an Enterprise crew and they'd have a shot
@@BrySmi omfg I just had some badass imagery if the Borg assimilated Smaug
Balerion would kill smaug easily
Simon K for anyone wondering ancalagan the black is probably twice the size of gidorah in this new Godzilla movie maybe smaller but that’s how big he was.
Drogon and Smaug fights for their lives
Ancalagon: *THAT'S CUTE*
Maybe we Will see him on the screen someday! Together with the rest of those beautiful creatures!
Ghidorah: *cackles*
@@darikai219 wrong mythology my friend!
darikai219 ghidora it’s a kaigiu Isn’t a normal dragon
민트초코맛된장찌개 ancalagon isn’t a normal dragon
Imagine that iron fleet ineffective against smaug.
Smaug: What will you do now, bowmen? You're all forsaken. No help will come.
hahahahhahaha best comment my man ;)
Well, even Drogon destroyed them after all. I think if Smaug occasionally flies over the Iron Fleet, he wouldn't even give a shit.
@@merbuhk he probably would since he has a high ego and he destroyed Lake town and is not fond of humans so
That’s the most Smaug accurate hypothesis I’ve ever heard
Euron can’t randomly 360 noskope the dragons now.
Really love how he just doesn't try to make dragon win and just accepts it
He did in the one lannister dude vs Aragorn.
@@enomisv9830 To be fair, Jaime Lannister is the most skilled swordsman in all of Westoros so there's more of an argument there than Drogon vs. Smaug
@Penguinverse and aragorn is the greatest swordsman of the third age with 60+ years of experience and is still in his prime.
@@enomisv9830 In large part because of his prowess and strength compared to the average human. If Aragorn went and challenged the most prodigious young man in the whole of middle earth and he used this lightweight adamantium bullshit, there's more than a good chance he wins. And honestly there is nothing backing that up other than the respect for prodigies. They exist and there is a chasm between them and normal people when it comes to their special skill.
@@gezenews what are you talking about? When did prodigies and adamantium become part of this debate?
Smaug would destroy every dragon In GOT. I love Tolkien and I love GOT. As books I actually prefer game of thrones but I still have to give it to Smaug. Powerful, old, intelligent and can speak which makes him a lot more scarier.
What if George r r martin gave the ability to speak to balerion the dread then??
@@Deepak__Mehta Then it wouldn't make sense, many of Tolkiens Dragons could speak, but none of Martins. So it wouldn't make that much sense if one could talk but not the others
Tolkien’s dragons are ALL vastly more powerful and intelligent. In the Silmarillion the largest dragon that existed flattened three Mt Everests. Yes, it was that fricking huge. The progenitor while it couldn’t fly could talk, had psychic powers, played mind games like Hannibal Lecter, could breathe poison, and aside from a soft underbelly was considered invincible. There’s a reason GRRM respects Prof Tolkien.
@@Deepak__Mehta yeah what if grrm ruined his series so his imaginary dragon could defeat another imaginary dragon in an imaginary battle... lol
@@heythere6405 😂😂
"My armor is iron! My teeth are swords! My claws, spears! A strike from my tail- a thunderbolt! My wings are a hurricane! And my breath- DEATH!" -Smaug
Drogon: Fucking Christ, dude...
No.
Drogon: roar, hrrr, grrrr, hsssssssss.....
Drogon: nothing personal against you bro but listen, if mom says dracarys, bro, I don't care about your health insurance, you are going down.
Dovakiin: My armor is your mother
@@HakaiKaien hahaha!!!
@@HakaiKaien lol
J. R. R. Tolkien's dragons- Sentient evil beasts.
George R. R. Martin's dragons-Ferocious, fire-breathing animals capable of being tamed and trained to a certain extent.
basically this
If I'm not mistaken there was a point in the first or second age where dragons were rode it the LOTR universe
@@camerontolley8597 Yes but the balrogs were riding the dragons.
One books dragons are the army commanders. Brain jumblers. And all those as basically a big snake, no fire, no flight......
The fire and wing donned ones too were army commanders.
Other books dragons are mounts. With benefits, of which none surpass their lotr equivalent. Basically horses. Ever seen a horse commanding an army? Though one was nearly made a senator I believe.
Dark Souls dragons: how does It feels, Seath?
Since Smaug can talk, he could theoretically learn Valerion and talk to Drogon
He doesn't have Valyrian blood so his words wouldn't affect GRRM dragons.
Meraxes had to be shot through the eye, as GRRM dragons grow they also develop very hard scales.
So if we put Balerion up with Smaug and Smaug started talking, I think Balerion would rip his tongue out.
he wouldn't be able to touch him@@Blaz_-te2ku
@@Blaz_-te2kulol how?
An aggressive animal vs. a cunning and intelligent killing machine and you think the animal could even get to his tongue? 😂
Also, Smaug could literally just hypnotise him
One Scorpion Arrow can kill a dragon from a song of ice and fire but it takes two black arrows to take down Smaug ( one to damage his scale and one to pierce his flesh) and you have to precisely hit that spot where you removed the part of scale whereas SOIAF dragons can die from a scorpion arrow hitting any vital part of their body.
There's only been one dragon to ever have been killed by a scorpion in the ASOIAF series and it was hit directly in the eye so I doubt that really counts for anything. Especially considering that a scorpion is a fucking ballista, while a black arrow only has to be shot with a bow to actually damage Smaug. I love both series, and Smaug would definitively destroy most of the dragons in ASOIAF, but I think Balerion would beat Smaug.
You seem to be freely interchanging Game of Thrones (the tv series) and A Song of Ice and Fire (the book series). Only one dragon has been killed by a scorpion bolt in the books, and that was a one in a million shot that pierced its eye. It has been stated multiple times in Fire and Blood that scorpion bolts bounced off the scales of multiple dragons
@@theawesomedude20 I based both on TV series and the movie.
Aren't there weaker dragons in LOTR too? Scorpion ballista bolts have to be aimed precisely in the eye, as far as books go. Even in the show, Viserion died getting impaled in the neck while firebreathing. This was probably possible because the White Walkers seem to have monstrous physical strength. Rhaegal was considerably injured from the previous fight. On the other hand, Drogon took a ballista bolt from Bron and only got slightly injured. Balerion is much larger and so is his muscle mass and density, even if the bolts happen to succeed in piercing his skin, they should fail to do anything remotely fatal to a dragon his size.
@@Ananta9817 there is weaker dragons in lotr, i assume. That statement was only based in show dragons and the hobbit movie.
In the show dragons are severely injured by a scorpion bolt rhaegal got severly injured after a first shot , rest two made to confirm the kill , even drogon got completely flightless after the first bolt to the sholder by bronn.
As GRRM admits, he would be pretty biased to wish his own creations would win. Smaug vs Balerion could make for a great fight. We see that Vhagar is like a big flying Godzilla, but doesn't have a sentient intelligence of Smaug. Dragons are clearly capable of some sort of reasoning (dragons seemed to understand Tyrion's story when he was freeing them from captivity), but at the same time they are clearly controlled by animalistic instincts and riders (unless well experienced) will struggle to keep them under control. To compare, Smaug is intelligent, crafty and impossible to kill unless you hit his specific weak spot with help of master archer using a special black arrow (which is somewhat enhanced by magic) or if you bring in some heavy duty ordnance like powerful supernatural beings. I would give it to Smaug, both against Drogon and also Balerion, though the last one would be much more even, unless Smaug prepared a trap or something like that. Maybe charm him with a spell, like Glaurung, though not sure if he was capable of that.
Balerion was clearly GRRM's equivalent of Ancalagon the Black of Tolkien universe. In this case, Ancalagon basically eats him the same way Vhagar got rid of poor Arrax. Balerion could swallow mammoths whole, while Ancalagon was a size of a mountain range, as he emerged and could touch all 3 peaks of Thangorodrim (fortress of Morgoth).
The crazy thing of him crushing the peaks of thangorodrim is the fact that the mountains must have been a few km apart,mf hit the ground with the impact of a nuke
George R. R Martin's dragons vs Ancalagon the Black.
Ancalagon would roast Westerosi dragons for a nighttime kebab snack.
If Ancalagon was in the clouds and he sneezed, all of both Westeros AND Essos would be piles of ash.
Talk about overkill
*Are you trying to watch an extinction?* T__T
Even if it is George R.R. Martin's dragons vs Glaurung... Glaurung can take them all
Smaug would eat Balerion for breakfast, and use Drogon as toothpick. After all, he is in direct line from Glaurung. He is roughly the sise of two jumbojets. :-)
no he isnt, in drawings of tolkien he is 15-20 metres long.
Film smaug is, weta digital the creators designed him to be gigantic. 130 meters In length and wingspan.
Jesus is Smaug that much of a badass?
Allright my friend😀
In the atlas of Middle-earth by Karen Wynn Fonstad smaugh is said to be about 18 meters 59 feet while Balerion is from what I found 76 meters /249.343 feet long and 180 meters /590 feet wide. He is way bigger than smaugh but smaugh has the advantage of his intelect and cunning and the fact that he can use magic.
Smaug wins 100% of the arguments against every GRRM dragons.
yeah, it's like comparing a werewolf to a dog lol
@Raylan Givens he is in fact the smallest winged dragon in the legendarium. Still large and powerful enough to take Erebor by himself when he was basically a child. Yeah every single dragon in the history of Westeros are pigeons compared to the dragons of middle earth on many different metrics - size, magical abilities, intelligence and durability to name some. Balerion the black dread could fully spread his wings and maybe even fly a little inside Ancalagon the black 😅 that's the size difference we're working with. It's like a human next to a blue whale - we can swim around in their arteries. That's how fucking huge they are 😮
Maybe except Balerion… Martin just said
You guys misunderstood him. It was a great joke.
I bet he'd talk them to death.
Smaug has the intelligence of a human with high IQ, he doesn't even need to fight the dragons from GoT, he can just trick and ambush them, the dragons from GoT are just as smart as a dog 😆
This.
Yeah, he's a bit stronger than Balerion, but in a straight brawl The Dread and Smaug, chances would be 60-40 for Smaug. Thing is... Samug would neve go for a straight brawl.
@@marcospatricio8283 Balerion is stronger and bigger,he's also much more experienced,smaug isn't that powerful and he's one of the mid dragons,most ASOIAF dragons would trash smaug,they are extremely powerful and destroy most LOTR dragons with only exception being ancalagon
@@jadenmcmillan4306... really even in a video where the writer himself says only Balerion is enough to give 'some trouble', you still wanna say this. You are hopeless. You'd argue day is night while it's so bright out you have to wear shades. You are the fantasy fan equivalent of a flat eather. 'Ignore what the creator of a song of ice and fire dragons just said, they win. I know he just said only Balerion is enough to give some trouble and he still dosent know if its enough, but he dosent know anything about his own dragons. I do they are much stronger than the creator says. Even if they do die of old age by 200 and can barley fly around a city twice by that age.' 🤣
@@ryanwalker8843 so u have chosen to argue
In the lore dragons in song of ice and fire
They are powerful lord of the rings dragons are built for personality while song of ice and fire dragons are built for they're power I know the lore stop acting like I don't
@@jadenmcmillan4306 "I know the lore".
Also THE CREATOR knows the lore. And is THE CREATOR the one who says "Yeah, no. My dragons are powerful but no that powerful".
Yeh... Even if he had "chosen death", it isn't you who can bring it
Smaug smashes right through Drogon. Smaug is larger, much more intelligent, and has a way tougher scale armor system to get through. They only killed him by shooting at a gap in his scales on the underside. that armor also gives Smaug the edge over Balerion the Black Dread. Tolkien made his dragons to be almost unstoppable beasts whereas GRRM made his dragons to be actual animals.
Smaug would lure them to his side. Just imagine dragons fighting for the throne too! Imagine them making alliances with families against other. Plotting and causing troubles. That's would've been GREAT
Imagine Smaug as the immortal Dragon-God-King of Westeros.
Why would they ever need to make any alliances with people? It wouldn't be a fight - it would be a slaughter with little to no human survivors. No plots needed. Just a "lets fly guys" and every person is a pile of ash within a week. Hell Smaug isn't even needed.. You saw how Drogon completely annihalated the entirety of Kings Landing by himself in a couple of hours. They didn't stand a chance.. And he is both smaller, dumber and much easier to kill than Smaug. It would be like shooting fish in a barrel to them 😅
smaug wins easy, and that says a lot considering that in tolkiens work, smaug is a butterfly compared to dragons that lived in the first age (glaurung, ancalagon)
lotr dragons have stonger scales. almost impenetrable. GOT dragons can be damaged my regular arrows.
even tough you are right, regular arrows cant hurt westerosi dragons, you even can see arrows bouncing off their scales, the thing that penetrated was an ballista bolt.
Nah, during the gold train massacre, lots of archers shot arrows at Drogon and they just bounced off of him.
But...stinger, or scorpion, or whatever it's called, the one that shoots those big person sized bolts....those go through dragons like a knife through butter. So GoT dragons are pretty flimsy to serious penetrative attacks.
@@TheGrandmaster1 It depends on the size, the bigger the dragon, the thicker the scales. A big guy like Drogon could easily tank arrows, as we see in the show, but a smaller dragon could probably be wounded by regular arrows. They are not born with vibranium scales or anything
Cause the show's retarded.
Bro ur soo wrong
If you want to picture how the fight would go down, just look at the clip of Vhagar(Smaug) eating Arrax(Drogon).
Smaug vs Balerion be like
Smaug: *let me tell you something*
If Smaug was in Game of Throne, then the Iron bank is no longer safe as this is where they keep all their gold and smaug loves gold. Rendering the Lannister to be broke and without gold to pay their army and the Golden company. He may be smart to speak in the language of Valyeria, but that just a speculation.
But I don't know about if Smaug can defeat the Night King, but he is strong enough to lay waste of Westeros, Essos as long he sees them as a threat to steal his gold.
One will roast you, while the other will be dropping bars at the same time.
Alduin the World Eater (I don’t like Elder Scrolls but I’m being fair)
Analcagon the Black
Balerion/ Smaug joint place
All other Dragons.
What's not to like about The Elder Scrolls?
How about Dragonball s dragon? No idea about its name, but if it a god, that might be unfair.
@@ismata3274 His name is super shenron. However, he is just there to grant a wish.
@@hansmuller1809 thank you😊👍. And to be able to grant any random wish sounds terribly powerful. That's near unlimited (by wishers imagination only)
@@ismata3274 Yes...I mean, he can even destroy multiple universes if this is the wish. However, i think it is unfair to treat him like a dragon. He is more like a plot device, not a character.
I feel like Ancalagon would like... eat Balerion. It would genuinely be pretty fun to see a bunch of Tolkien's dragons taking on GRRM's.
Drogon the dragon. Great writing there George lol.
Well yes but it’s actually Drogo the dothrokai’s fault….wait
@@Neb-uj4xt I don't know the ASOIAF lore very well, but Drogon is Daenarys' dragon, right? So she named her dragon after her husband? (who died? I think?) That's kinda... sweet I guess. :D
He is great at naming tho. Drogon is Daenarys being childish, she is after all 13-14 years old and names the dragons after his loved ones Drogon (Her Dothraki husband), Rhaegal (His older brother), and Viserion (His older brother that even as an abuser he was family).
Then you get names that are not made by a teenager girl like Baleron, Vhagar, Meraxes, Vermithor, Silverwing, Caraxes, Sunfyre, Dreamfyre, all very cool and original names. Then you get wild Dragons named by the peasants, the simpleminded small folk: The Cannibal, Sheepstealer, Grey Ghost.
George's naming convention is solid despite him being repetitive which is not him being lazy but being inspired by real medieval history. THere were dozens of princes in France named Louis just like there are Aegons in his world. Ofcourse, you would know this if you read the books.
@@Amantducafe if you're going to do that then you need a character to react to it and make fun of the name even if in secret.
@@purefoldnz3070 pretty sure one of the slavers "chuckles" when she mentions their names. But it's a blink and you miss it from A Storm of Swords iirc.
The books are written from POV, so you never know what others are saying in secret, just what they say infront of the POV character and you need to be brave if you are going to mock the mother of dragons about her naming conventions.
I respect martin for not trashtalking Tolkien's work like other times for example how Gandalf should have stayed dead. He simply acknowledged that his dragons are just huge weapons and not intelligent creatures like middle earth's dragons. Good for you Martin you earned my respect. Now finish asoiaf so we can have a proper closure
He never "trashtalked" tolkien. we all have things we like and dislike about the books we love. He loves gandalf the grey more than galdalf the white. he loves aragorn as ranger more than aragorn in the later books. George has said Gandalf dying was hugh influences for him to raise the stacks in asoiaf and potentially kill even the main character. Some of the fans take his comment out of context to make him out like a tolkein hater. click bait headlines and youtube titles like those get more views. if you watch more of his interviews you would realise he is the one of the biggest tolkein admirers. George famously said "They can keep their heaven. When I die, I’d sooner go to middle Earth."
Would be so interesting to have heard Martin and Tolkien ask each other questions about their writings.
@Raylan Givens He would have been disgusted with his work lmao. Not to say that GRRM's work is bad, I love it, just Tolkien is from a different era, with different sensibilities
Meanwhile, Ancalagon was big enough to swallow Balerion the same way Balerion could swallow a cow. I still have no clue how Earandil killed him, but I doubt it was via means replicable by any being in ASOIAF.
Probably used the Silmaril, that thing burns evil creatures, even scorched Morgoth's hand beyond repair. So it probably just burnt Ankalagon's skull or heart through.
He had a flying ship, a Silmaril and the help of Thorondor, Lord of the Eagles. And every one of the Eagles of the First Age.
No actual details of how he managed it are given, besides the battle between Ancalagon and the forces arrayed against him lasted a day and a night before Earendil slew him before dawn.
I bet Smaug and Viserys would be best friends, they both like gold! 😃
Also the point that Smaug has impenetrable scales.
Smaug would just tame the lannisters for their gold 😂😂😂
I love how GRR Martin Respects Tolkien's Dragons
Dragons in LOTR are very different from most fantasy dragons. They aren't animals, they aren't even great rare animals like the dragons from GOT, they're described as calamities. One dragon can literally destroy a kingdom and turn the tide of a massive war between supernatural beings. The dragons of LOTR were created by Morgoth who is essentially the devil
Smaug is a small dragon in Tolkiens world
You are forgetting Ancalagon, that thing could take down an army of dragons
Ancalogon could probably solo the entire verse minus maybe godly beings(if there are any)
Ancalagon would probably conquer the Westeros and Essteros
@@maxkogan3785* essos
@@maxkogan3785 Ancalagon could flatten both continents by simply landing on them.
Imagine Aegon the Conqueror astride Ancalagon
He becomes the Ancestral Dragon of Westeros. Only those worthy to ride him are fit to rule. (In essence, HE rules Westeros)
Smaugs downfall was his unmitigated rage coupled with his arrogance. He sees Bard and knows exactly what he's aiming for but still goes for the kill. Smaug would be bigger stronger and smarter than Drogon by alot. Balerion would be about the same size as Smaug but again intelligence comes into play but Balerion would also have far more combat experience so that fight would be worth seeing.
Smaug pretty much solos the GoT dragons and takes Kings Landing and the iron throne as his new lair. Hes just on a way higher level than the GoT dragons.
Smaug could cast a spell on Drogon if he learned Drogon’s name
Smaug: "oh hello brother! How fare the mighty Drogon?"
Drogon: ....
Smaug: "why do you not speak?
.........oh wait, i forgot im a talking dragon.
I think all of the dragons of Tolkien could speak. Glaurung was their father, and he definetly could speak.
George R R Martin, basically just Said Smaug, the SMALLEST dragon in middle Earth, is about the equivalent of ,Balerion, the BIGGEST dragon in Westeros. Acalagon would have been a fucking beast in comparison jfc.
And once valuation takes out Smaug. Ancalagon enters the chat lol
You forgotten that only a black arrow can Peirce his scales
yew-bow not black arrow
@@Dragonlover553 Which was originally caused precisely by a Black Arrow, shot by Bard's ancestor. Only he missed so much that he hit Smaug only *once.*
@@MrDibara Did not know that. Thank you for the information.
Scorpions arrows kinda look the same, if not worse.
The arrows can't pierce his scales, they can pierce through the tissue on his underbelly which has no scales protecting it, otherwise he's completely invulnerable, it's a one in a million shot that would have never happened if Smaug was more careful.
Literally answered it how I would have. Drogon gets stomped.
Balerion was trained as a war dragon, and engaged in at least one dance, that against Quicksilver.
where Smaug is intelligent and cunning Balerion is brutal and a beast. That would be a cooler fight.
But remember, GRRM's dragons are very different to TOlkiens which are based more off of Norse and Brythonic dragons. GRRM's dragons arguably aren't natural, but created artificially by sorcerers and have since become species. Their mating habits and hatching habits are considered a mystery. Its unknown truly how much they bother to care for their own young, and its even speculated quite a few dragons kill their own young as their young get older.
Classical dragons are these wizened old beasts of immense power, but are very lazy.
It's one of the beauties of George's writing. He plays with two phiosophical concepts often. Identity and materialism. Despite consant references to the gods in Asoiaf, there is honestly very little proof for any of thsoe gods. But we do have A LOT of proof of magic being used to effect our material world, and being used to attain power. The beauty of ASOIAF is it is so material.
George R.R Martin: but moving on, next question
Who would win Drogon against King Ghidorah
George: 🚶
Ancalogon has entered the chat 😅
They are just on a different level...dragons from Martin's universe are basically animals, intelligent like dogs, but still just animals.
Dragons from Middle - Earth are beings with human-like mental character, they talk human languages and are able of making strategic plans of their own, not to mention their lifespan is by far longer than GoT dragons.
In terms of strength, winged dragons were Morgoth's final card...they were strong enough to pull back the host of the Valar under the command of the strongest and biggest dragon ever lived, Ancalagon the Black whose size was so great he could hide the Sun with his wings open. These beasts are not to be tamed by humans or others like dogs, indeed they were mounted but not by humans, by Balrogs which are basically demons in fire-like flesh form and immune to weapons used by humans. Balrogs never really tamed the dragons, they mounted them and the dragons accepted that only because it was their master's order, who is basically the devil of Middle Earth.
Bruh imagine Smaug talks Valyrian to Drogon lol
Smaug: Ao dohaeri nyke, Drogon!
Drogon: Ayooo wait what???
Imagine Smaug in game of thrones while being 6300+ years old😅 Balerion was the biggest and died a little over 200 years old. Drogon would be a small snack for him if Smaug was in proportion to his age.
*Ancalagon the Black has entered the chat*
Got dragons got killed by artillery. Smaug skin is tougher, needed 2 hits on exactly same spot.
Ancalgon got em all beat
Shenron wants to:
*_know your location_*
@epileptic zepra that is true
Keep in mind, though, Shenron is an immortal, reality-altering being of cosmic power
Shall we throw in alduin
Smaug: Gigantic, flying, highly intelligent, magic, firebreathing tank
Drogon: Flying car with lightning function😂
Smaug would eat drogon alive, and would still be hungry... smaug vs the 3 dragons Dany had, now that's a meal worthy of the Smaug the Stupendous
No doubt that Tolkien would have found the topic as amusing as GRRM did here.
We were saying about Drogon and now we have 15 dragons to talk about
Don't forget that every single dragon in Tolkien's works is literally made by Melkor/Morgoth a living Dark God while Martin's were only produced by magically inbred humans who absolutely are no match or in near level as Morgoth's power.
Drogon creativity at its finest.
Well, that seals the deal. Smaug is the undisputed king right there
Smaug shuts up real quick when Elden ring dragons enter the arena
I want to see Smaug vs Dovahkiin 😁
Do you mean Alduin? Because Smaug could very easily just stomp on or eat the Dragonborn like nothing. Even Alduin would have trouble.
@@ElectronerpProductions Depends on whether Alduin is in the form we see him in during the game, or if he's in the form he takes when the time comes for him to eat the world, where he becomes absolutely enormous (big enough to literally eat Nirn) and gains the power to match. Regular Alduin would probably struggle against Smaug, but True Form(tm) Alduin could literally swallow him whole.
Of course, Elder Scrolls lore being as unreliable and prone to change as it is, it's possible that the "True Form" is just metaphorical, so who knows, really.
Sure, Drogon is cool, powerful even, but he isn't "Truly" sapient. He is intelligent on a base level, but Smaug is truly intelligent, more so than many humans. Smaug is also much more violent natured and has far more experience. Drogons strong, Smaug is stronger. Far stronger. Now Balerion might be a challenge, just because of his ungodly size, and battle IQ.
Man Smaug is an Alpha plus genius level IQ who wants to mess with that beast OH and he happens to be a freaking Dragon.
Ok but for real now, a DRAGON named DROGON?! Are you absolutely kidding me?!
Its named after a character named drogo
@@pedroteixeira7595 Yes I realize that, but I mean come on. Might as well have called him Drago and the dragon Dragon LOL
Smaug would wins, Unless Drogon was much Older or instead of Drogon, it was Balerion.
I'm not going to say the creator of a character is wrong about their capabilities, however I don't think it's as simple as he makes it out to be.
Call me out if i get anything wrong.
Going off of show drogon and source material smaug, there's an important thing about drogon that's worth talking about. Dragons in asoiaf are completely immune to the effects of heat and fire while they are alive, and asoiaf dragonfire seems *deeply* magical in a number of ways. Smaug's fire breath--while incredibly hot--doesn't seem to have any effects that would negate drogon's fire immunity.
Dragonfire in asoiaf has very interesting effects on different things, and it seems that drogon can control the effects his fire has. In the show we can see baby drogon cooking and eating bits of meat, his fire doesn't ignite the flesh, just chars it like conventional fire would. In another scene where baby drogon kills the sorcerer, his fire is shown to easily ignite flesh, spreading over and completely incinerating flesh and bone with bone with *unreasonable* efficiency. It seems chemically impossible how quickly drogon's fire turns people into pure white ash. The capacity for his dragonfire to either cook meat or completely incinerate it over similar time frames with no change in the color or amount of fire used is demonstrated time and time again in the show and implies a magical effect drogon is capable of controling.
Dragonfire also has the ability to enchant steel and give it supernatural properties.
Smaug is much larger, stronger, smarter, and more durable than drogon while also being immune to conventional fire. Smaug would certainly kill drogon assuming he could engage with him physically and avoid his main weapon.
The question is then, how would smaug deal with drogon's magic super fire? Would he be outright immune? Smaug is shown to be vulnerable to magic arrows, is he vulnerable to drogon's magic fire?
The place that Smaug would be vulnerable to fire is his treasure covered belly. Drogon could melt it and attack that part if he's smart enough
Smaug would shit talk Drogon the entire time just for his own amusement.
*Lord IO has entered the game*
Smaug would talk Drogon to death.
I’m betting on the dragon from shrek
Smaug had one weakness, he was the villain of a children's book. That is why a single lucky, if fate blessed, arrow was able to kill him and why in a hundred years he never re-grew the old scale on his chest. Even Ancalon the Black had a similar narrative need to be beaten, so magic space flying ship. Suspend the need for evil to be defeated, Smaug would obviously beat Drogon. He is probably the size of The Black Dread, but smarter, and his breathe might have been strong enough to melt rings of power. Which if it could, would defeat Balerion's harronhall destroying breathe. The fight could end 3 ways. 1. Smaug defends from the lonely mountain and beats Balerion in a beam struggle. 2. Balerion is instructed by Aegon to collapse the mountain trapping Smaug forevermore. 3. Battle in the air where both mortally wound each other. Smaug does not heal a missing scale after a century, and Balerion died of a wound from some beast in the doom.
Smaug could wear Drogon like a neck-tie. Balerion… Hmm… My money is still on Smaug. Both have extremely hot and dangerous fire-breath, and are also largely impervious to said fire. But Smaug, I believe, has a weight advantage. He covered his belly in gold and jewels, and when he fell his carcass took most of lake-town with it. I think he could pin and crush Balerion, but Balerion absolutely has the potential to get a nasty bite or scratch in on him. There’s even the potential tie option that Smaug pins Balerion, is slain by a claw or bite to the neck, but then Balerion is unable to lift Smaug off of himself and summarily perishes as well.
A better question I feel is after enough time will the Dragons of a Song of Ice and Fire also be able to speak? It is said they are even more intelligent than humans. Give ‘em a thousand years, would they learn to speak like Smaug?
They’d need the biological capacity to form language with their mouths and breath. You never know but I find it unlikely if they never display “baby level talk” when they’re young
I know that we are discussing whether or not it's possible that non-existing being could talk, but hear me out.
No, they can't. Their vocal chords are not designed or developed to for complex words, even if their intellect would be high enough to come up with a language, they would have no way to voice their words.
A metal vocal coach has explained in one (or several of his videos) how to access your "dumb"/less developed false chords to produce essentially inhuman noises. These underdeveloped vocal chords are all that most animals have.
So I think it's fairly safe to say that for most animals or creatures, it is not just a matter of intelligence, intellect or learning, but a matter of being physically incapable of communicating through complex language.
They can't live that long, Balerion got to about 200 years old before he became weak and fragile and died of old age.
Probably not, dragons in Tolkien's world were magical beings that had these abilities from birth - if they were born
They could probably write
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That picture was a wyvern, this isn't even a competition. Smaug has four legs and wings.
Friendly reminder that the distinction between wyvern and dragon has no basis in actual historical folklore or iconography; dragons were widely depicted with either four legs or two, with no distinction drawn between them on the basis of leg count.
@@DavidEllis94 Quite correct. Dragons are defined by their role in fiction, not so much their anatomy. From a literary perpective there are only two or three true dragons in folklore. They arent animals but demonic beings, often a cursed mortal hero who is tasked with guarding a treasure but cursed for betraying his oath. Fafnir is the archetypical Dragon. A dwarven warrior who is cursed by Odin for taking the treasure he was meant to guard for his own. They are defined by their role as an embodyment of the paramount evil, which is greed. There is a lot to be criticized about the Hobbit movies but there were a few things that i appreciated. It may seem anticlimactic, that Smaug is killed at the beginning of the third movie, since he seems like the utmost antagonist but that actually matches the narrative structure of a Saga, which usually deals with the aftermath of a dragonfight. The dragon dies early on but wins in the end. The dragonfight happens at the beginning of the hero's journey. It marks him as the greates of warriors and the hoard gives him the social standing to mary above his station and attain power and kingship. At the same time, the hero always falls, as he is gripped by the curse of the hoard. He will the slowly becomes the dragon, as he is destroyed by greed and hybris. That goes to show you that anatomy is not what defines a dragon but its relationship to the hoard. This transformation is only spiritual, not physical but he still fills the same role as the dragon, thus is the dragon. He loses the invincibility of the Hero, which is invisible at first, because the takes on the invulnerability of the dragon. But that protection of the dragon is incomplete. The hero is invincible because of his prowess and the loyalty he inspires in his friends. And simply because he is the Hero. But he loses this loyalty as he transforms and ends wrapped up in envy and betrayl. Unlike the hero, the Dragon, although more powerfull, can be killed through guile because he has no friends.
Sigurd/Siegfried even takes on physical characteristics of a dragon, after the fight, the same characteristic as Smaug: He is invulnerable save for one spot. Of cause Tolkiens works are not like nordic sagas, as they are utopian, whereas nordic sagas are quite grim and always end in catastrophy. Still Thorin suffers the same end as Sigurd . He becomes the dragon and gets wrapped up in greed and betrayl. Even though the story has a good ending, and Thorin gets to die as himself and die a heroic death, the death that death is still inevitable.
@@DavidEllis94 You completely missed the point but please, continue with your reddit brain rot comment of "Ouuh Acktually".
Current day common classification lists Wyverns as two legged and dragons as four legged. Asianic Dragons have no wings but that's why they are referred to as Asianic and not just dragon isn't it?
@@dotmadhack They're Asiatic dragons because they are in the style of Asian depictions of dragons. European dragons are depicted as having legs, often, though not always, and, yes, that includes both two and four-legged dragons.
@@DavidEllis94 Yet again you avoid the main point. Why even bother replying to a year old comment if you are going to be this dishonest?
smaug is basically caraxes with much harder scales
Smaug is also older has more experience and is far more intelligent
Ancalagon would just sit on them both
the real question is would Smaug be able to claim a dragon ?
Smaug died because he talked too much, never forget that. Human is more intelligent and bigger than a chimpanzee, yet it would rip you to shreds in a fight.
Besides, Caraxes was also able to kill Vhagar, although dying himself in the process.
Smaug: My wings are hurricanes. My claws are spears.
Ancalagon: Bro, you came at a bowman and took an arrow to the chest.
Drogon: [Dragon noises]
Huh... I always pictured him as a baritone
Balerion, Vhaegar, and Meraxes maybe and thats a big maybe if they all jumped Smaug at the same time and piled on him and went for the neck.. thats if they could do that though..
Hey george rr martin is pretty funny. Well im off to watch every interview with him.
I like the way he says SMOAWG
people keep saying that the GoT dragons are to weak and stuff, but the 3 main dragons we see in the show and books are only a few years old, whereas smaug is a few hundred years old. You can't compare that because it's not a fair fight. And if we took the largest dragon in the GoT universe, Balerion, then it would be more equal. Balerion had a wingspan of 202 meters(there is a youtube video made by bridg4 esimating the size of balerion) and was a bit shorter in length, and smaug in the books had a length and wingsan of roughly 102 meters(smaug is not actually 20 meters in length, the drawing Tolkien made that is used as reference for the 20m length is not true as Tolkien himself said that the dwarf in the drawing is vastly oversized just so he can be visible, and an account used texts from the novels to estimate a length of 102 m). So balerion was bigger, but most likely not as smart. Balerion had fire hot enough to turn sand into straight up glass and to melt steel and stone, which would mean he had fire 1700 degrees celcius or higher. While smaug could talk, that would be useless in battle, however his intelligence would let him possibly come up with a strategy, unless he underestimates his opponent, again. So book balerion vs book smaug, is a fair fight.
But smaug is intelligent or sapeint
well that is if we take books, movie smaug is like 130 meters long, while the largest GoT dragon Cannibal isin't even half of that size, movies really oversized smaug as fuck that isin't even a comaprison
@@Le-eu4bf Saying Smaug could beat Balerion because of intelligence is like saying you could fist fight a lion and still win because you’re smarter.
Smaug is more intimidating than GoT dragons
The ancalagon comes in and balerion runs into hiding
Smaug makes drogon a lizard with wings
I think Tolkien dragons have an advantage. Ancalogan the Black was so large he caused multiple mountains to collapse when he fell on them. While Glaurond despite not having wings could ruin entire lakes or fields within an hour. Smaug is the weakest of these yet he has there skills and possibly more intellect then Glaurond.
i like to imagine if smaug and Drogon meet face to face, what would Smaug's reaction be?
Would he feel disgust that such a simple beast minded monster with wings is thought of as the same species as him? What will he do when he finds out that a monster that people think of as a dragon isnt even capable of having a proper conversation.
Same thing if an alien comes and calls us literal chimps and see us as chimps.
Now, Vhagar, or Balerion, or any of the other heavyweights the Targaryens can field... that might be a closer matchup. (It still probably goes to Smaug because of the intelligence angle, though)
Smaug V Balerion would be fair
Since Smaug is intelligent, I'm picturing him having GOT dragons as pets 🤣
smaug 457 ft Vs Drogon 130 ft. Balerion and Vahgar would get crushed by smaug too
Smaug: Dahaeras Balerion! Lykiri!
Balerion:👁👄👁⁉
Drogen vs Smaug is a joke.
But Balerion vs Smaug is a different Story. In the books Balerion is so much Bigger than Smaug. But in the Movies/Show Smaug was buffed and Balerion was Nerfed his had was as big as a Carriage while Smaugs Head was just way bigger.
Book winner = probably Balerion if he can get through smaugs way tougher armor
Show/Movie winner = Smaug, he is bigger, stronger and never ages. And he still has his armor.
I'd like to see any of the dragons from Game of Thrones go up against ancaligon on the black.
Balerion would be a tic-tac for Ancalagon to munch on.
@@JoseMartinez-ig4lx yup
Deathwing Vs Ancalagon
@raxgaming3010 that thing is tiny, miniscule next to ancaligon
The only thing Drogon has over Smaug is maybe his strength and ferocity, aside from that he literally has nothing over Smaug.
Smaug is smarter, more durable, is resistant to Drogon’s fire breath since he’s a fire drake, and is also probably faster.
Ancalagon has entered the chat
Drogon is like pitting a kitten against a tiger.