Setting a truss without a crane
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- Опубліковано 28 сер 2024
- 1. We're the homeowners (well, two of us are, plus a friend willing to work for food). We are not and never claimed to be professionals.
2. Other than excavating, concrete, and hooking the power meter up to the grid, we hired nothing else out.
3. Yes, a Y at the end of the 2x4 would have helped a lot. A great suggestion.
4. No, this isn't necessarily the BEST way to do it. No one claimed it was. This is simply how we did it.
5. Sure, you can hate on how we did it. Even from your comfy chair. But... we did it.
6. Pictures of the completed building can be found here: 1drv.ms/f/s!Ai...
7. It's survived every Michigan winter since 2016-17 without a concern.
8. Should have used LVL instead of those 20' 6x6's that almost killed me picking up.
9. We LOVE it and are quite proud of our hard work.
I love that spacing "tool" you have that not only spaces, but braces the trusses while they're being set and connected at the walls. You just saved me a bunch of headaches when I start my truss job!
That temporary brace is a brilliant idea. I think that we will make several of those to use as we go. We will be installing our permanent bracing as we set a couple of trusses. Our trusses are 44’ “attic trusses” with a 2nd floor above so we are only setting a few trusses at a time. Those temp braces will be very handy to keep everything lined up as we install all of our bracing. We will be setting our trusses in a couple of months once the snow starts melting. Thanks for the info and great idea. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I love seeing a strong woman on a job site like that. Just proves they can do anything a man can do and men can do anything a woman can do. High five to the girl!!
Uh, the men can't have babies and she can't lift a truss on her own. So let's all just settle down with the pedastaling. We all got our roles.
Thank you for taking the time to show us how you did it. I really liked the fact you showed a young woman also helping in construction. This has encouraged my wife as we are planning to build our house. She now sees she too can help me put up our trusses. I also liked the finishing touch - the gray siding- really nice.Well congrats guys for a job well done!
Lmfao good luck with that. Don't be a bitch and walk the plates
And this is where I learned to set my trusses. Thanks me and my bro worked on this solo from your work. Thanks again
i built two 2x6 ramps and just slid them up a little at a time until they were sitting on the top plates. then on a ladder in the middle just stood them up. the neighbors thought i was crazy until they saw the finish 30x30 garage completed. all by one man.
I agree with JL Johnson, that spacing jig is perfect. Thanks for sharing.
Nice work. I especially like your comment "But... we did it". I am building a garage myself, doing most of the work myself and sometimes it takes a while to figure things out and sometime later you realize there was a better way, but in the end, as you say, I did it. Some people as me why its taking so long. I ask them how long it took them to build their garage (hint: they didn't)
Wow, that woman is pretty amazing. I wonder how long it took her to train those two guys to help.
I put an addition onto my house and was two floors up with the walls in place. I was working alone so I could not put the 23ft long trusses up one at a time. To overcome that I nailed the correct spacers between two trusses. Now I had a rigid structure. I lifted one end at a time onto the walls and then moved them into location and nailed them in. The addition was 20ft X 38ft and I was done in less than 3 hours by myself/
A local builder & I erected roof trusses 9 metres wide two men out on three cottage. After erection and bracing all wall frames, we erected a single plank wide, the full length of the dwelling, under the ridgeline & 2" below the bottom chord and propped on braced posts. This allowed us to walk the full building length down the middle as well as walking the external wallframe toplates. We built a temporary 2 plank skid ramp on building end, then slid all trusses up onto the wall plates & centre plank in reverse order of truss standing. Stood & braced first truss, then progressively stood each truss in turn & nailed off bottom chord over top wall plates C/W Temporary ridge brace fix off. Metal wind braces followed, then truss runners. Hard work but simple system. 50 years of height work with no accidents.
Good video. I’ve been watching a few on hanging truss by hand and doing it with a 3 mans crew is impressive! The only thing I see you can improve is I’ve seen others make their “push sticks” you use for flipping the truss right side up with a small piece attached to the end at an angle to make a very long “Y” that way it sits in the groove and won’t slip off and bonk you in the head 👍
Great video. The spacer/holder tool looks to be extremely useful.
I have helped put up trusses in the past and was blown away when one man by him self with 2 ladders did a 24 x 24 all by himself. When he was towards the end 2 guys arrived and helped with the final 3 trusses. He put the sheathing on all by himself and did all the shingles
Why did he need help with the last 3 trusses? I just did the same thing, you put the last 3 up leaned against the previous (braced) truss, then lay them out.
When I was in construction, we had a three man team. After laying out the top plate, we'd load all of the trusses upside down on one end of the building. The setters (one on each wall) would walk a truss to the other end to the next layout marks. Then the third guy (The Pusher) with his pusher stick ( a 2-by with a short tacked to make a y-hook) would push it up in place. The wall guys positioned the truss on the layout lines, nailed it into place and then measured and tacked the stringer on. The spanning jig was a good idea, but we didn't use one. After that,, a stringer was run along the peak. I'd say I miss that work, but then recall that there were plywood and shingles afterwards, and remember that I don't! 8-D
Nice job!
Did it the way your talking about for 35 years. But I hate Trusses rather stick frame the roof but we did alot of custom hip and valley roofs for some reason if we got custom Trusses for hips they were always off and had to fudge them. But here pole barn is perfect application. Would have took the time and made some scaffold down the middle not all the way so the middle guy has more control when lifting up and can slide to other guy/ girl
@@boysrback5690 yes you would think they would be manufactured correctly but they are always off by a little bit, sometimes a half an inch! Now I see why my first boss never used truss’ he much preferred stick framing like you said 👍
Always put each end truss up first, then string from one end to other and helped line up the trusses in between. My dad made the trusses and then after it was up, always added more bracing. I like the double plate too... You cannot make it too strong. Seen many barns fail for lack of sufficient wood.
great job guys!! love the jig you made up keeping the top of the truss in line.
It actually looks like fun, and that's from someone who's lazy. By the way there's an old saying, "If you want to find an easy way of doing something, ask a lazy person how to do it." You guys (and gal) are already wearing gloves, but I'd suggest hardhats and safety glasses. The cost for sewing up, or stapling a gash, or losing vision in an eye, might be higher than you think. Even though I retired from construction work, I still wear the gear at home. Keep up the good work.
Funny, the only injury of any significance in the whole project happened while my wife stepped out to make dinner. She cut herself slicing sweet potatoes. :'D
But yes, safety first. Your point is well taken. I think later on in the project we were wearing safety glasses more often. Not hardhats... though it would have been a good investment in our longevity.
@@drrizzles4996 The kitchen is dangerous man, stay out of there! ;)
When my two brothers and I did this, we put all the roof trusses up on the walls first, upside down of course. Then we got on the walls and flipped them up. When the first few trusses were flipped upright, we set a plank across the bottom of trusses, along the center, so one of us could pull the rest up, one at a time, with a rope. We tacked them and braced em as we went. The house we put up last summer required a crane as the roof trusses went up on the third floor. Not so bad from the ground level. We still put them all up on the walls first, upside down.
Then flipped them upright. Got the crane out of there quicker that way too! It was $600 for a couple hours. Worth it on 3rd floor!
Glad you kids are figuring it out - remember the Amish build a barn in a day because they're friends with the community.
That’s the problem I’m having right now, limited friends 😂
The important point is that you got the trusses up in place working as a team. Others may have their preferred methods, but yours is fine. Ignore the boorish comments. You did well. In 1956 my architect father designed their house using 2x6 bolted trusses. My father (150#) and my mother (95#) put the trusses up themselves after union carpenters (on strike, no less) refused to erect stud walls or trusses without a crane. So the old man fired their goldbricking union asses and my parents built the whole thing themselves. Glad to see the cute chick taking a major role in this project. No snowflake, she. :D
My father used to throw these trusses up with his dick, that was just after I was born, in 1879, but he never had any more kids after that, because mom couldn't handle the splinters in her..... bed.
you mean the gold bricking union guys that kept wages up and made sure families had medical care and maybe their families could take a vacation together once a year and could earn enough so one parent could stay home with the kids and actually give them the care I enjoyed as a kid. nobody's looking out for other workers now. there's more at stake than your grandpappy's house, good for him if he could build it I built my but to say someone should install trusses without a crane for a living is stupid, these guys don't want injuries they have to be able to do it their whole lives
This comment made my day! Thank you!
Very smart work. Well done!
Genius. I’m loving it.
Nicely done. The real challenge would be doing this alone. The trusses aren't very large. Time consuming, but not impossible. Huge amounts of self satisfaction.
Great teamwork. Forget any stupid comments. I appreciate your calm, cool collective way to get it done without everyone bitching at each other. I'm getting ready to help a friend who is a great Custom cabinet maker, the man can do amazing wood milling. He needs help with the labor part. Please help me out with how to lay off a project similar to this.
That’s Same We Doing I Have Been Building For 54 Years
Thanks for sharing your experience
Great team work guys! a pleasure to watch!
It sure is nice to have help, when I built my 24X40 shed I didn't have any help, lifted the trusses myself, only broke one.
What , no one shouting and screaming my way ? Lol
It helps when you work together!
Respect! Teamwork does the job.
I think cutting a v-notch into the end of that long 2x4 would hook the truss a little better and make handling much easier.
I used to do it this way. Then I grew to 15 feet tall and now I can do it by myself.
Most awesome! Am researching how to build my own stuff - homesteading. Videos like yours, despite any detractors and nay-sayers, show ingenuity. Thanks for posting.
good camera placement - nicely catches the symmetry of the construction...
I would recommend temporary cross bracing instead of the straight line bracing seen near the peak. This will prevent trusses from being blown over in a strong wind.
Smart,smart and smart!! I think the only thing I'd do different is put some hook/cradles on the end of the "pusher" 2x4's so they can't slip while pushing the trusses.....but I'm a clutz so it would be more of s necessity.
This will work but it's a whole lot easier to buy a keg of beer and then invite your friends over and then be like oh while you guys are here I need your help with something real quick 😅🤣😂
Another way, perhaps an easier way, is to set one corner up as seen in the video. Then, with the ladder inside the wall, walk the other side up by holding the corner on the should while the other person helps lift. Next, connect a rope and a pully to the top of the last truss. This way you can have one person at the bottom lifting with the 2x4 and the other pulling on the rope. This helps save the person doing the lifting from being smashed with a falling truss, as well holds the truss securely in place while you level and fasten them in place.
Setting up a rope and pulley for every truss would be way too much time and extra work.What they are doing is fine.This is how my crew and I have been doing it for 20 yrs. The one thing they could do different is staple a U shaped piece of plywood to the end of the board so the truss doesn't slip off.
Jon it’s really not that much work. You already have a guy up there taking care of the bracing and nailing it in place. He just quickly unties the rope and ties it on to the last trust. Not saying it’s the best way, but it worked great for us. We were able to set them a pretty quick with just two guys.
i have done them myself that large using a rope with pulley to pull from last secured truss and positive stopper.
I have building barns for years by myself as well. I run a 2x10 scaffold down the center with studs supporting the scaffold, lay all of the trusses down, and set them up in a "reverse domino" motion. By myself I could an 80' barn in about an hour and a half. With someone helping, 30 minutes.
Ignore them. Great job. I enjoyed
Make a Y out of 2x4s for your lifter next time. No slippage!
That's right I did this many times building houses in the late 70s can't believe these guys didn't figure that out also have a man at the peak
YES ONE SLIP AND SOME ONE IS GOING TO GET HURT WHEN THAT TRUSS SWINGS BACK DOWN
When I was tasked with that project , i got a block and tackle used to hang a deer for skinning and used it to pull the next truss up into place. I started with them upside down and rigged the pully system to the ridge that I nailed as I raised the trusses.
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did that 40 years ago I used a ( y ) shaped 2x4 device to push the middle up
Yep.... take a short 16 inch or so piece and fasten at an angle about 16 inches from end ..... We always called it the salad fork .... gave you complete control of the truss... once flipped up you could easily hold it in vertical position... these guys could loose it and get hurt. We built many houses with just 3 men.
try nailing a plywood fork on the end of that pusher 2x4 the next time .it'll save you from squinting and ducking so much when the 2x4 ur using slips off the truss
Absolutely right. I could see that truss going "belly up" from the start..........................utterly dangerous. Next time hire a crane...it might just save your life!
@@myredute
They could use a few ideas to improve their process, but it's fine. I'd probably have put in more trusses, but that's a different matter.
@@myredute Horse-pucky.
When I built houses in 70's we did what you mentioned except sometimes we simply cut a v-notch in the end of the 2x4.
We cut a v-notch and two holes. Used the holes for a piece of rope that was held firm at the “hand end”. Once the truss was up, we could pull the rope out.
Lol, this is so common place for me as a garage guy it’s almost painful to watch but we all had to learn one way and you boys saved a couple thousand bucks. 👍
Will add that a string line setup for the truss end overhang (with nail gap) is a far more accurate way than measuring each truss. If your beam/wall is crooked - so is your roof fascia.
Yes, this is how I did the lean-to side, which was more visible. Though the side facing the woods is just wavy enough for my eyes, no one else will notice. But definitely a 'wish I'd done it that way' item.
Cool that you were able to do this without a crane, but yeeeesh I would not want to be middle man down there flipping that heavy truss over with a 2x4! If you lose control of it when it's nearly upright you risk having your skull caved in as it comes crashing down on you. I would think a safety line attached to the middle that goes over the peak of the ones next to it might not be a half bad idea
The flip up method is always good but I would like to see some vids on how people deal with the last couple of trusses that are restrained by the wall and the previous truss
Flip up your last one or two that need to clear (based on height) and tie them off to the end posts to temporarily secure them. Then you can walk those into place when ready. You can use a variety of methods to keep them from flipping down. I think I just fastened a couple 2x4s on the 'roof' side of the truss I was moving and the ends rested on the 'in place' trusses.
Brilliant team work
Very nice job.
I am indeed impressed!!
With two on the wall, as a retired Crane / Boom Truck Operator, wed have set at least 3 if not more trusses in the same length of time it took them to put up one. If they're getting paid by the completed footage, they are not cost effective. Crane Rental installation is more cost effective and safer for the people on the wall.
We're the homeowners, so this worked just fine for us, as they weren't unwieldy.
@@drrizzles4996 I had a Carpenter buddy they were short cutting a job by setting the garage out by hand, he did a 8-foot header off the wall to the rough ground and he is a paraplegic now. Glad it worked out for you.
Well done.
Way too much work. Here is the highlight of my day: I got up drank coffee, read the newspaper, stood up too fast and almost passed out.
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@@dustyrhoads5016 10-4
The finished product looks good! Looks like you have beautiful property... that's God's country, right there
Very helpful! I watched this and the did my own!!! My trusses were about 350 pounds though. Ha!
that was pretty good team work though
good build and good teamwork!
I admire their ingenuity, their teamwork, hell.....the work alone is worth trying it. But the poor kid in the middle.....got hit in the head with a dam 2 x 4!! Where's yur hardhat honey! I'd say put a great big "V NOTCH" in the end of that raiser and block board so it won't pop off the end and smack you in the head like it did, and even more important (then this would be a great system of teamwork when not machinery is available, make that 2x nailer at the top LONGER, so when you raise the truss up, it will ride right underneath that nailer and keep it all the more steady....at least until you can get up there and tack it down. Hey, this is a good video, I liked it, so it's a good video. I like the teamwork, heck, I even like that girl on the right :P Can I come help? Jus' don't ask me to be the one raising it up into place. I don't want to get cracked in the head like this poor bas.......:P
Thanks for the suggestions for making this safer.
Awesome video! Thanks!!! I'm getting ready to set 23 trusses. How much did yours weigh? Mine are about 250 lbs. Do you think I could use this method?
I wish I had an easy yes for you. Ours were about 200 as a reference. Good luck!
put block on peak and it will stop at the right distance and can be done by one person
video please?
Good job, you got a good team...!!
Drive a nail into the end of 2x4 you're using to rotate the truss. Cut off the head so that the nail digs into the truss and won't slip off.
If you screw a short 2x4 to your lift board so there is a crotch you never have to worry about the lift board slipping off and the truss swinging down and hitting you in the face.
Rent a light crane from a sign company. Faster and safer.
I have done this kind of construction and using an appropriately size crane is both cheaper and faster.
the y shaped 2x4 to push up the truss is called "a snorting pole" & my dad aways got in the middle of the trusses to grab em & nail the the top brases to hold till wesheeted the roof then we staighten the trusses as we went
I would be concerned about the truss design if there’s any snow load. Looks like 4/12 pitch, 30’ span? Should be 1 more web member on each end, and bottom chord should be 2x6. Not the best way to raise trusses (bad to have them in a flat orientation when lifting as it stresses the joints) but gets it done. Just did a 24x30 alone, decided never again, getting too old for these games! Lol
Good team!
Super inspiring, great job!
Clockwork
Should have put the girts on first to stiffen the structure prior to setting the trusses. Also, you need plate (beam) support blocks and knee bracing.
good job yall
Smooth
This is awesome, great work. How long are the trusses?
30' span
Next time do ALL the framing on the ground, then lift up the whole thing with a couple Amish draft horses.
my dude, we have been building houses for thousands of years. we have only had cranes for a handful of years.
its all leverage...nice job.
At 1:43, he should have had his ladder on the side the truss was on, and just walked it up as he climbed the ladder, with help from the ground guy.
The way they did it was easier and safer.
2 trestles and a plank in the middle would be a lot easier
could you show us
Amazingly inspiring, thank you
nice job. I would wear a hardhat
Great video, you guys are doing great!!
outstanding job!
Did you plate the trusses yourselves, or were they delivered pre plated?
Please let us see how the work is done when you're ready. Greetings from Belgium.
Here are some pictures from right after we finished: 1drv.ms/f/s!AiGVinX2ZUER8h5JhYAfTNbjDMyN
Oh... and I guess one after we started getting some firewood in there. :)
Very nice building.Thanks for the picture's!
@@drrizzles4996 GREAT!!!!!!
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I call that the good old fashioned way!
Right! Before there was OSHA. When workers where disposable.
Good job!
Been there done it this way n with boom truck both still require alot of team effort just think b4 u do an u do just fine
good Job guys, really good.
Ramy Ghaly .
thanks.
Nicely done! Just curious what did you use to insulate it?
Non insulated.
Great video
I think the truss is fragile especially in its lower frame
not bad !
Молодцы ! :)
Trusses should only be lifted and stored in a vertical position which they have been designed for. By lifting them in any other way it stresses the nail plates and the joints become weakened. You should also be using a string line to align them
Helicrete Sydney no it don't.
Bud- Yes, it does. You can roll it in one smooth motion, but if it hangs flat or bounces flat in the air, it stresses the joints.
We know who the boss is.
U guys make that look hard, that's why a carpenter should be doing the trusses. At that height it's not really that hard
BFD !!! I set 17 trusses -- 24 x 4 with a crew of 1 -- ME. . . . . . AND they were rough cut 2 x 4 's -- not your candy-ass 3 and 5/8ths x 1 and 5/8ths. Try that while filming with your go-pro.
used a y-shaped 2x4 to lift the peak.