I’ve actually got a Neheb Dragon’s Approach deck. It works really well at getting them into the graveyard with about 30 in the deck total, and refilling your hand and getting that much mana means you can cast a Dragon’s Approach after combat incredibly reliably. It’s been really fun and one of my favorite decks recently!
I also have a Neheb Dragon's Approach deck, but it's the other mono-red Neheb that add mana for the amount of damage dealt. More spellslingery and less discardy. Only running 4 dragons in the deck and 30 dragon's approaches
Neheb is a really powerful card, even more than his other versions with the discard support we keep getting ! It is not that much underwhelming but I love that you talked about it, it was my first "cEDH" deck ! He plays really well with aggravated assault obviously but he can use Underworld Breach and an extra combat spell so well it is bonkers !
Jadar, Ghoulcaller of Nephalia has definitely been a legendary that I've come back too again and again thinking about the possibilities for the exact same reason. Getting a free body that then just dies just by turning it sideways is *huge* in mono-black. Usually you have to pay mana for it and this dude just gives it to you?! Insane. Big fan.
Jadar is like having a reassembling skeleton as a commander and that's an amazing aristocrats card so I don't know how you can call Jadar underwhelming
Jadar is actually really good; i made him an edh deck and its crazy always having a zombie to sacrifice for instants, cards like kalitas, and helps with aristocratic effects. He looks underwhelming but when the deck synergy is around sacking creatures its becomes a strong deck that ppl sleep on until your board get big and they lose half their life. I like to play commanders ppl dont and also ones that get instantly get me hated since im known to budget decks really well even when under $100.
If in the Neheb deck with psychosis crawler out, you decide to pitch your entire hand, does it: Die because you'll have 0 cards in hand at some point of the effect? Live because its power and toughness are only checked after the resolution of the entire trigger?
I have a friend who had a Neheb deck and he played Competitively with it. To me, Jadar and Neheb are not underwhelming commanders and instead are either Unpopular or Underappreciated commanders.
Hey I'm a month too late but no, psychosis crawler wouldn't die because it's ability is a state based effect. It checks after the wheel is resolved what it's power and toughness are.
I’ve actually got a Neheb Dragon’s Approach deck. It works really well at getting them into the graveyard with about 30 in the deck total, and refilling your hand and getting that much mana means you can cast a Dragon’s Approach after combat incredibly reliably. It’s been really fun and one of my favorite decks recently!
I have a similar deck and it generates so much salt and can win out of nowhere
I also have a Neheb Dragon's Approach deck, but it's the other mono-red Neheb that add mana for the amount of damage dealt. More spellslingery and less discardy. Only running 4 dragons in the deck and 30 dragon's approaches
@@aaronupward Neheb The Eternal be the one you mentioning??
@@rolandratata6796 yeah that's the one
@@aaronupward awesome card man. Gotta it in Purph, lotta mana to play with after all then burns from him 👌🏼
Neheb is fantastic! Huge card selection in red, and the discard fuels an Underworld Breach, combos with Aggravated Assault!
He's got enough deck power to sit in cEDH, and he's not even very cEDH leaning
my buddy has a jadar deck. it is absolutely bonkers. it isnt underwhelming at all. the advantage it generates with those 2/2 decayed zombies is insane
It works great in the 99 of my monoblack aristrocrats deck (I run Erebos as the commander just because I like the Theros gods), so I'm not surprised.
Neheb is a really powerful card, even more than his other versions with the discard support we keep getting !
It is not that much underwhelming but I love that you talked about it, it was my first "cEDH" deck ! He plays really well with aggravated assault obviously but he can use Underworld Breach and an extra combat spell so well it is bonkers !
Jadar, Ghoulcaller of Nephalia has definitely been a legendary that I've come back too again and again thinking about the possibilities for the exact same reason. Getting a free body that then just dies just by turning it sideways is *huge* in mono-black. Usually you have to pay mana for it and this dude just gives it to you?!
Insane. Big fan.
Holy moly. I never realized that Mangara's exile wasn't part of the cost. That is so much more fun!
Yup gotta check that colon placement!
I love my Mangara Cycling deck! It uses the slide enchantments to blink in response to his activation it works surprisingly well!
Can I see the decklist? I've always been interested in building Mangara deck
I second their sentiment ^^^
Give me a bit to find it!
I would also like to see the list!
Ok here's the list yall hasn't been updated for a while fwiw
tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mangara-cha-cha-slide/
OMG! I've been seeking to create a mono Black Commander deck and this seems to be a lot of fun :) thank you so much!!
Jadar is like having a reassembling skeleton as a commander and that's an amazing aristocrats card so I don't know how you can call Jadar underwhelming
Neheb, wery cool commander, combo with aggrivated assault, or underworld breach, and just fun.
Why it's my favorite thing. Brewing.
Way way back when I started playing, Threshold and flashback were my main mechanics, I
A strategy I use with Medicine Bag is tapping my opponent's stuff before they attack or during.
Sadly this doesn't work. The creatures only become tapped if the regeration "shield" is used.
@@joshuafornelli8673 Really? Uh-oh, guess I've been unintentionally cheating all these years. Don't tell my play group. Oopsy Doopsy ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Neheb for me very frequently casts 10 drops on turn 4. It's very good
Jadar is actually really good; i made him an edh deck and its crazy always having a zombie to sacrifice for instants, cards like kalitas, and helps with aristocratic effects. He looks underwhelming but when the deck synergy is around sacking creatures its becomes a strong deck that ppl sleep on until your board get big and they lose half their life. I like to play commanders ppl dont and also ones that get instantly get me hated since im known to budget decks really well even when under $100.
Man that Neheb deck is sweet. Is the some upgrades you can do with moar $$$!?
If in the Neheb deck with psychosis crawler out, you decide to pitch your entire hand, does it:
Die because you'll have 0 cards in hand at some point of the effect?
Live because its power and toughness are only checked after the resolution of the entire trigger?
I love Neheb! I run Neheb X-spells pretty frequently.
The most welcomed card to draw with Neheb's ability is definitely change of fortune. Such a good red draw and it's miraculously less than a 1$.🤑
love nehed althow never thout of runing hime in just a red commander . But now you give me some thing more to work on .
You sold me on jadar. I wanted to make an endrek sahr deck like your jadar deck with lots of token sacrifice but i think i like jadar better!
I agree the colon is very, very important. My uncle didn't have a colon and he was just messed up in all kinds of ways.
I have a friend who had a Neheb deck and he played Competitively with it. To me, Jadar and Neheb are not underwhelming commanders and instead are either Unpopular or Underappreciated commanders.
won't mengaras ability fizzle due to not having valid targets ?
Deathtouch works well with Neheb because 1 point is considered lethal damage and the rest can trample over
Wouldn't psychosis crawler die the moment you discard your hand bc its toughness becomes zero?
Hey I'm a month too late but no, psychosis crawler wouldn't die because it's ability is a state based effect. It checks after the wheel is resolved what it's power and toughness are.
Undercity scrounger would work well with Jadar
I love Neheb.
I’m going to put mangara into a blink deck with Emiel
Hypee
Anyone else thought he saw Thanos when Khamal's Desire came on screen?
Neheb with aggravated assault seems broken.... Deal damage with neheb discard 5 cards draw 5 add five red Mana.... Activate aggravated assault.
Weird list of “underwhelming” commanders, since these all look pretty strong lol
I don't think the general consensus on any of these is that of a strong commander, I can see how they fall in that category.
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Neheb is busted