Are the Irish Rugby team hated? | Fans with typewriters: Is sports journalism dead?
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- Опубліковано 22 вер 2024
- Joe Molloy was again joined by Mick McCarthy, Arthur James O'Dea and Ronan Mullen for the latest edition of A Slight Tangent... on Wednesday's Off The Ball.
Has the internet and fan-driven outlets destroyed sports journalism? What's the greatest sports photo ever taken? Are we the last generation to genuinely love all sport?!
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I like Joe's presenting style..Good mix of knowledge and conversational tone. Very easy listening.
Thought his interview with Roy Keane was awful. But generally he’s very good
@@adrianlong6701 Alot of people have said that actually...I watched the interview and I actually enjoyed it though. Focused a bit more on Keane away from football as opposed to picking his brains on all things football related. Each to their own I guess
Best out there. Can't think of anyone better in Irish or UK media
@@tonyk3233 his up his own you know what
Great segment. Keep them coming.
I'd love this slot to be kept even when Soccer and Rugby seasons are at full throttle.
I reckon the engagement with this segment in and of itself shows that there is an appetite for more wide reaching analysis of sport , ie what it means on the micro and macro levels but its encumbent on you lads to be pushing to deliver that. Not just in the manner and yer attitude to reporting and analysisng but in the people you choose to give a huge amount of air time too.. Anyway, great segement, i just had a joint this could all be waffle :)
This segment should be called OFF THE CUFF
24-year-old here and can confirm Joe‘s point of being a well-rounded fan until the age of about 15, when the sport/internet mesh became a more main theme.
Love this segment, similar to the newsround chat but more drawn out with interesting topics. Fair play lads👏
This is my new favourite thing. I count down the days till a new video. Please please keep it up
Twitter has become an opportunism for idiots island. As a Welshman, I thoroughly enjoyed the recent test series down under, where the Irish backed themselves and never went off script on what they’ve been working on over the last two years. All the best 👍🏻
Lads this is easily my favourite section you do all week alongside the paper review, hope ye keep it up even as the football fixtures ramp up!
Does Arthur have anything positive to say on anything. What does he watch or enjoy? Perhaps it could be a topic next week
Burdened by education
Great segment lads, I hope ye keep it up.
Joe Molloy is very well prepared, informative, articulate and pleasant to listen to. He could do with a better panel though.
The class thing always comes up when talking about rugby however, the working class have a monopoly on football in many parts and yet that seldom comes up. Double standard?
@Aidan Holland here‘s hoping: Italia ‘90 + big Jack < France 2023 + big Faz
This is a great segment. Stop worrying about the name.
Only at 27 minutes does one of them get to the truth. Sport = Internet,= Saturation = Addiction. The more you get, the more you want, the less you enjoy. The entire debate on journalism is a cry for more than 24 hours in a day. They get noticeably annoyed that yet more correspondents don't indulge in endless critiques.. More, more, more. More insight, more developments, more news, who is leaving a building? Why? They are addicted to 'sport'. 24 hours aren't enough.
Lads, you sound like grumpy old men. We're losing something ? Yeah I suppose so, but we've gained as well. Things change you know, they're supposed to. Back in the 70's, the only live soccer on tv was the four finals - FA, FAI, European and Cup Winners Cups ( UEFA Cup final was two legs and wasn't live). We also got some Ireland matches and some England matches, and every four years the paradise that was a World Cup. The first Euros that had an actual finals tournament was 1980 (I discount 1976). So the sporting calendar mattered. The 5 Nations was huge. The boat race used to matter. The Grand National was huge. So was the Epsom Derby and the Irish Derby. Wimbledon was enormous, the British Open was enormous, All-Irelands were semis and finals only. Between Oct and Christmas, what did we do ? I can't remember anything. Jesus, how did we survive ? Just Sportsnight on Wednesday, MOTD on Saturday, The Big Match, Rugby Special and Ski Sunday on ehh ...Sunday.
Great post. Really brought me back :)
Journalism has become diluted for sure...Fan channels, podcasts have multiplied in recent years. I enjoy the fan channels as a source of entertainment to laugh at meltdowns. Still have a subscription to the Athletic for the inside track on my club though....excellent detail and information not in the public domain...its good to have the choice
This certainly isn't a new thing. Take Serie A for example. Whole news papers are clearly aligned with clubs and always have been.
Tuttosport and la stampa are Juventus newspapers.
Gazetta dello sport is a Milanese newspaper Inter specifically.
No, I just hate how Johnny Sexton is still playing a major role at 37 years old.
I thought Jonny was finished after the 2015 World Cup but am happy to admit I was wrong. He has been great this season and at the end of last and in 2018. He has had quite a few injuries in the last years but when fit and in form he has been amazing and right now is one of the best 10s in the world, if not the best then one of the top two second to Ntamack. What is there to hate about the way he has our back line playing? The only regret is that he has set the bar so high and we are so dependent on him that we are a different team when he is missing. I really hope one of the younger 10s like Crowley or Frawley is given some game time so that we have a replacement when Jonny hangs up his boots after the next World Cup.
Get over it
@@patrickmccutcheon9361 Ireland have been less than lucky at 10 too, Joey has had horrible injuries, Paddy Jackson is unpickable, so ERC level guys like Ross Byrne have to fill a gap that is probably a little above their level. Also Sexton is our best 10, we are a national team not a development squad, I'd always pick the best players
@@patrickmccutcheon9361 so you don't see any issue with playing an injury prone 38 year old at next year's world cup? No plan B. Same old story with Ireland.
@@Adrianheneghan of course I see an issue but I refer you to William’s comment. The reliance on Jonny is due to the fact that the foreseen backups Jackson and Carbery have respectively been banned and suffered injuries hampering development. We are in a situation where the 37 year old Jonny, although injury prone, is our best player when fit. We do desperately need a period free of injury, a run of form and game time from Carbery to have him ready to start and alternate with Jonny. Failing that and as further backup we need game time for a third 10 and need to determine who that is. Right now it looks like Frawley rather than Burns, the Byrne or Healy. AfterWC2023 when Jonny retires, I expect either Carbery or Frawley will take the jersey and then we need to develop the backups and for this I would like to see a contest between Healy, Crowley and Harry Byrne.
While I am at it,
I would suggest we have similar issues at 15. Great as he has been, I am concerned at the ever presence of Keenan and lack of obvious backup. We should use the autumn series to rest Keenan and try out Lowry or Haley. Usefully Hansen and Conway can also play 15 but game time needs to be provided.
I’m English but I don’t think the Ireland team are hated at all. To be fair I understand rugby fans might dislike certain clubs but to hate them it’s ridiculous. Also the way fans go after certain player based possibly on a single incident in a game or a perception on what they believe a player they have have never actually met it’s so stupid. Sadly social media allows individuals the opportunity to personally attack a club or an individual in a way they would never dream of if they were at that club or talking to another fan.
So no I don’t think Ireland are hated, they have a good team, depth in their squad, they have repeatedly demonstrated against NZ that they have the goods. All teams play a style that their players need to buy into. I think Andy Farrell and his coaches has done that with Ireland. As for hating opposition players and clubs …if rugby fans are going to claim to have some moral superiority over other global sports like football then act as they preach. I love rugby but ultimately it’s a sport I follow. Dislike clubs or players I’m am totally on board with that. But when in a sport what I played and loved for 25 years hate behaviour by fans becomes the norm and acceptable then that’s when I will look for another sport.
'We're talking about The Athletic'...what?
Tbf the 06 heiniken cup final was on rte🤷♂️ I remember loving that team as a child,it’s since I’ve......cooled on rugby,the 00’s had great characters
me too. Couldn’t agree more, the noughties have a special place in my heart
What was the correspondent defensive on the last 18months?
Segment has to be kept
“The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ...We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of.
- Edward Bernays, Propaganda
Loose passsing is a good name
Off the ball complaining about propaganda. I listened to John feed Stephen kenny the answers to his questions in his questions last week
Drink every time someone says 'I suppose'
Best sports photo
1986 World Cup
Diego Maradona hand of god
90
When you say that you are constantly defending your sport, you have to remember that a lot of the backlash against rugby people and media is due to the fact that so many of them are often putting their sport on a pedestal! They beat New Zealand a few weeks ago and the sort of stuff you hear is not 'Wow, that was a great achievement' (which would have been totally reasonable) but 'that was one of the greatest achievements in Irish sporting History' and I think this is the sort of thing that pisses off the non-rugby mad public. At the end of the day rugby is still a fairly niche sport globally and even amongst the countries that play it, there is even a small minority of those countries that would consider it their number 1 sport. It may be New Zealand's number 1 sport but at the end of the day they're only a small country like ourselves and the way they are mythologized by the Irish media and rugby fans is a bit cringe (and perhaps part of the problem) : They make it seem like our national basketball team had managed to beat MJ's mighty USA Dream team the way things are hyped up. At the end of the day, we are an affluent country who are also one of the few that take rugby seriously, so why wouldn't we beat New Zealand from time to time - we play them often enough! I'm not saying that it isn't a very good achievement, NZ always present a big challenge but I am just calling for some perspective. Rugby is a great sport but it is still a niche sport globally so you can't be making these declarations every time the national team beats another top team in an event which isn't even the pinnacle of the sport. When it comes to niche sports, if you wanna be in the conversation for greatest achievement in Irish sport, you have to achieve the ultimate ie win the bloody World Cup! And if the Irish team does that any naysayer denying that it's one of Ireland's greatest ever sporting achievements won't have a leg to stand on. However, it does have to be that sort of achievement to be worthy of such a claim!
A Mug's Game, You're right on most of your post except "we are an affluent country"? that's an illusion. A bit like one of Branson's companies up to the gills in debt and being told it's making millions. Ireland, in fact, is the third most unequal country in terms income and is only behind the US and Singapore. The crash that is inevitably coming is going to be worse than the last one. I am not wishing that--only saying that which appears to be true. Truth is often inconvenient which is why we are seldom exposed to it.
Participation wise it isn't the number 1 sport in NZ but is easily the most popular thats why I think it's garbage when they say participation means popularity this is proof of that I think it's the same in Wales too
@@Trajan2401 what's the biggest sport participation wise in NZ??
I live in NZ and I can't see any sport that comes even close to Rugby Union for participation.
Name a few greater sporting achievements by Irish sports teams. There seems to be a significant ‘reverse snobbery’ about rugby in ireland, particularly in the Dublin area where GAA and soccer fans express resentment at rugby people by calling the west Brit’s. I played rugby and hurling in a small Munster town and experienced none of that.
In fairness, Ireland became only the fourth side in rugby history to win a test series in New Zealand. Maybe the All Blacks are going through a rough patch at the mo, but it’s still a huge achievement. Hard to place it against individual feats- better than the the two lads winning rowing gold at the Tokyo Olympics? Probably not, in my view.
Great debate but the absolute hypocrisy from off the ball is laughable, an unbiased informative media? How about covering and being informative about the sport , despite which team has more fans, due to past success. Off the ball has been a mouth piece of primarily Manchester United and the bandwagon of now glory hunting but currently dissillusioned fanbase, despite the decline and irrelevance of that particular clubs fortunes, off the ball has persisted in catering to the monopoly , rather than covering unbiasedly, currently, more entertaining and relevant clubs fortunes & events, the air time given is not in proportion, hour long interviews with propagandist united journalist about the jadon sancho transfer 2 years before it happened is my case in point. proving your not covering what's going in the present but pandering to monopoly.
You on drugs?
England win that one. Your not even close. It is England who live in everyone's head.
Buddy I've no idea who or what you're talking about but you're listening to something that was recorded onto UA-cam from Irish radio I think they live in your head.
I think what you are talking about here is the algorithm becoming the content. It seems inevitable on social media. This video explains it well: ua-cam.com/video/fHsa9DqmId8/v-deo.html