I feel sorry for Andy Farrell. He did everything he could. The players choked. Plain and simple. Jesus could be their manager and they would still find a way to lose. Ireland are the mayo of international rugby.
@Jellybeanandkoala in fairness ALL the panel in OTB should be applauded for not allowing themselves to be click baited in to loosing the heads (it's not that often that I'd give praise to Ger but jesus Ewan really came across as a *****)
... and shaking with all that pent-up frustration and emotion. He's far too close to Irish rugby to be able to offer a rational, objective opinion on them. One minute he's getting carried away, and then next he's laying into them. Typical of all rag journalists.
Why isn't Ewan McKenna not on Irish media more? A different, and sometimes correct, opinion is really needed in the echo chamber that is Irish sports media.
Sorry for being ignorant but who is this guy?! Always seems to be someone that likes to dump on other people's success'. Ireland have worked bloody hard to get to where they are and have earned the right to feel good about their achievements to date.
Serious question... was Ewan MacKenna simply trying to get a rise out of OTB? He came across as just picking snippets and fitting his rhetoric to them and totally disregarding any response or retort... It was like he was trying to be Paul Kimmage but unfortunately Kimmage has the ability to be articulate and back up his argument with facts whilst Ewan simply comes across as pathetic and bitter Fair play OTB for not climbing down the rabbit hole that he tried so hard to entice you in to!
Ewan's starting point is he hates rugby. Everything else he does his research around that to try and disguise that point as concern or some higher moral and intellectual standard. He was treated badly years ago in the Tribune and he's never got over it. This all came spilling out a few years ago on OTB.
OTB... why give him this platform, all he does is stir it up and start flame wars online, the bile from which destroys any points he might be trying to make. His twitter feed is toxic, especially in the comments where he goes at it with anyone who disagrees with his provocative statements. It must be an exhausting experience, to fight everyone.
bulltraderpt and so did England , When they both meet , it will be lucky if there is a Score between them !! Hopefully nobody gets injured in the Next " Big Game " ....
McKenna was right, however I think at the time we deserved to enjoy what was an amazing year 2018 for us. However other teams studied us and figured us out and we didn't try evolve even more which we had to if we were going to do something at the WC
@@tamakaimoanataohau1063 so to be the best team in the world you have to win consistently for 30 years? Nonsense. I think you're mixing up best team with best sporting nation of that particular sport. Man city aren't the best team in England because they were in the 3rd tier 15 years ago? Twaddle.
Ireland have been consistantly beating the best in the world for a couple of years now. NZ have been doing it longer and are marginally ahead. Its great to be mentioned in that company
Ewan churns out the same *"rugby is for posh bois I hate when my country does well hur dur"* article 3 times a year. Good to see someone's finally telling him to shut up.
As a kiwi, this Ewan guy has no idea, where is the passion...this game was huge in NZ and if we won we would have talked about it for a week. For me Ireland has done incredible. This talk the All Blacks had a long season it was a long tour is crap. The All Blacks were up for this and we lost to a better team. Ireland fans should be ecstatic, and rightfully so.
He's right on the private school gap, it really is something the media tiptoe around with reluctance to highlight. But when an outlier like Sean O'Brien or Tadhg Furlong comes along we're being told about their farming background with almost every mention of their name while nobody ever talks about Van Der Flier's background with Wesley college with such enthusiasm!
@DM-rp9ik Van Der Flier is literally the reigning world rugby player of the year as I write this comment and his Wesley college background is still not marketed enthusiastically.
The Autumn internationals are funny. On one side the coaches cite their team's lack of rugby as a disadvantage while on the other side the coaches cite their team's regular season of rugby as a disadvantage. The same goes for the June internationals. Irish players had just finished a full season of club rugby and that was an apparent disadvantage. The fact is that these are professional full-time world class athletes. If NZ weren't in good shape to play us then there would have been a different line up. Same goes for us against Australia. We have made huge advances sports science. We're monitoring players continuously and making sure that they're in good nick for these massive tests. It's worth noting that the All Blacks also have a system in place to rest their international players in their domestic league. They toured Japan but were they starting their best possible lineup or maybe using some of those matches to give fringe players a chance just like most other international sides do?
30:20 Good quote from Ewan. The man tries to speak the truth as he sees it. That is bloody hard to do. But he does give Ireland's win the respect it deserves. All us smart buggers know it. Well deserved Ireland. All of the team.
Ewan has a lot of really good points. We had a load of really big and fast guys at school who couldn't play gaelic football, hurling or soccer to save their lives. They would have made excellent rugby players if the rugby association had shown any interest. We were not a fee paying school and on the north side of Dublin. The fact that the elite schools take the boys out of the local club set-up is also crazy in my opinion.
The win was excellent and gave the whole country a belief in a team that unites thousands of people across the globe. Either way what a Saturday night and bring on the Guinness in Japan 2019! Hon the Ireland!!!
45ish:35 brilliant quote from Bill Hicks. Feck Ewan, here in the Deep South of New Zealand I've little time between now, sleep, and work yet this interview is breathtakingly fresh. Keep yer feet on the boards lads!
Ewan is just afraid of the impeding onslaught if the the team fails in the six nations and or world cup. But you can't live life worrying about what you will say in the future. The reality is that that was a real test match, and Ireland deserved to win it. You're well within your rights to be exuberant about it. Don't worry about the future when the team is performing consistently as they are, you tell that story not the story of "but we've been here before". This team has beaten everyone, absolutely everyone in the past year. They're very capable of winning the world cup.
I think this win has blown up because it’s the first time Ireland won at home to NZ but Ewan does has some fair points. It’s not too much to ask to keep your feet on the ground but I’m sure this will happen after they celebrate and enjoy the milestone.
OK, comments, a selection thereof, later, [comma-extrovert] I can understand both sides. Ewan is your Devil's Advocate. He is not your enemy ( that would be the Devil, not the Advocate). Keep your feet on the ground. [And as for WC chokers: don't forget that every team plays us like it is a WC final --- bloody hard games --- and that our team 'was' poisoned in SA in '95. It's not easy at the top so you will need to be a team, not a collection of players.
if it was a friendly NZ players wouldn't have been as depressed and down after. They were hurt because they knew the significance of the match. Rugby is nothing like soccer.
He's right in a way though come beat us three zip at home in 2020 then call yourselves awesome once in Ireland means nothing we aren't australia we wipe our noses with those clowns every year. Lol. Even Schmitt said so himself after the game.
wesaldo I was saying we did the same thing in 2007 thought we'd take the cup home got done by the French in the quarters then we were seen as chokers it can happen. I dont think he's saying ireland shouldn't be proud of that win just don't get to ahead of themselves is all. Plus Playing you at home and playing the ABs at home two different things mate. I'm not worried about our loss we had a similar season in 2014 lost twice to SA and Oz that year back to back world champions the next don't think Hansen and Co will be either.
MrBannajo I agree with you Ireland has a lot to prove and i still put New Zealand as top dog. Rugby is a religion over there whilst here Rugby is still a very fringe sport.
Great performance Ireland and we should celebrate an historic win and lose the plot lol. However, we do need to reign in the plaudits come next year. The press really does us no favours at all in pitching us above our weight going into world championships. We are second tier until we actually win one! There is a reason why great teams stay great, it is called humility, not only by the team itself, but by its followers and its press. The great Kerry team of the 70/80's were a great example of humility, always playing themselves down, talking up the opposition, a lot of their supporters were the same coming into big competitions. A good example on the other side of the coin is the English soccer team, plagued with an over hyped and over confident press for decades. This stuff actually matters when you go into big competitions. Anyway, enjoy the craic over there!!
You're right on the good points Ewan. Keep your feet on the ground Ireland. The focus is on the World Cup. You can win, you can beat the best. But you must be consistently playing the best and beating the best. No disrespect. It is just polite yet insistent truth. I wish Ireland well. You play a great game. The odds are not on the former dead-rubber. The game is on. I fancy the All Blacks but know we can be beaten by a good team. Performance over the tournament will determine the ultimate winner.
Yes participation doesn't really gauge popularity.Rugby is not the most participated sport in NZ yet it's easily the most popular.Also far more woman play soccer which boosts the overall numbers.Also Rugby took the two top spots in Ireland in 2018 as the most viewed sporting events which says something
Ewan is actually right on a fair few points. Wrong on a few too. It was the end of NZs tournament and they did face England the week before. Ireland are playing well but needed a drop goal in the dying minutes to win against France and also if Anscombe saw Tipuric behind him instead of throwing that overhead pass I'd argue Wales would have beaten you. So we wouldn't be having this conversation England were on a run streak a while back and anyone who knows rugby WELL would have seen the holes in England's game. Plus we all hated England for running their mouths off. Get some perspective. Yes enjoy the win (I'm Welsh and would LOVE to beat NZ) and it was a great game but it was just an autumn game. NZ are also tinkering and developing for the RWC just the same as everyone one else. I'll tell you one thing, if WR change ruck laws and binding in contact, Ireland will need a plan B
There is a grain of truth to what he is saying but coming from where Irish Rugby has come from, I think we are right to celebrate every single victory. I remember the 80s and 90s when we got our arses handed to us most times we played. I remember a match I think it was against Wales in the 5 nations at the time and captain Nick Popplewell crying as he was interviewed because Ireland had finally won A match. We have come along way from those dark days where we now beat France England Australia and South Africa on a regular basis . . .But not New Zealand until very recently hence why we are celebrating it so much. I was there at the match and it was history made. We came from such a low standing that World Cups were irrelevant to us but now they are more important. The timing of the World Cup in September will always give advantage to the Southern Hemisphere teams ie wouldn’t we have loved to have gone into a World Cup a month after winning the Grand Slam. I think Ewen is playing devils advocate here a little and might be enjoying winding up the OTB lads but also has that little kernel of bitterness from reading his other articles. This is my first time hearing him speak and he reminds me of a cross of Waldorph and Stattler. Also a UA-cam clip called Joe’s paradox from a famous Gaa video from the 90s. A club had one Utd first ever under age football county final and at the end of it a local was. Interview and was asked his views on the great achievement and he said it was great but it would have been better if it was in the hurling! Either way Ewen enjoy the Copacabana and say hi the girl from Ipanema.
It took about 47 minutes, but we got to root of his bias. He hates rugby because he believes it's a game only for the "elite". I'll gladly show some rugby club's around North Munsters and he can see first had how privileged and elite they are
I watched the Germany v Canada game with full knowledge of how important a German win could be to the sport. Only problem with that is they were very unlikely to win and as what happens with most rugby matches where one team is essentially in another league to the opposition Germany played well for 60 minutes and then the better prepared Canada put them away comfortably. The importance of that game was only in the story of Germany and the world cup and it's redundant now that they aren't going to be going to the world cup, Now compare that to no1 and no2 in the world meeting on form and with practically full strength squads. The German v Canada game went exactly as expected, the Ireland new Zealand game was thrilling throughout.
Ireland no 1 scrumhalf and a former Munster winger who is now playing for racing metro in France filmed a sex tape with a woman in Dublin and it was leaked online but the two players threatened to sue so it was hushed up
Some decent points, and I do think people got a bit carried away with it (though I seem to recall a lot of people getting carried away when the football team beat Germany, but there you go) but that point about Ian Madigan crying is just pathetic. Crying isn't a sign of weakness, mental or otherwise, and I think it exposes Ewan McKenna's own hangups that he seems to think it is. There's nothing wrong with a young lad who's just put in a serious performance expressing his emotions. Crying doesn't make a man 'weak', or 'soft', and anyone who thinks it does needs to grow up.
Joe's post match presser is what really matters and is the vibe within the camp. This rory guy has just repeated what Joe said in post presser. Banter should always be allowed in sport and you can bet the team celebrated the win and have now moved on. Media are forever desperate for headlines and cant be controlled same goes for fans cop on.
Why would you begrudge someone coming through in rugby now that can actually make a good living playing the sport they love? The players aren't driving the marketing but they are working bloody hard to perform and pay back the faith the country has in them by winning.
1) New Zealand had a tough game against England the week before 2) Ireland looked comfortable 3) Ireland didn't put enough points on the board to reflect their dominance 4) New Zealand had 3 good chances to score 5) Ireland's lineout was poor after Toner and O'Mahoney left So, there's room for improvement. And improvement is required. But one thing is clear, Ireland will not be overawed playing in the final matches of the World Cup
Ewan Mackenna is simply taking the Stephen Jones/Eamon Dunphy approach to journalism, say something controversial to make yourself relevant, fair play to him hes built up his profile.
Ewan was bang on in 90% of what he says. Irish team have been deified by the media. This years 6 nations was shockingly poor and they scrapped it. NZ in a World Cup are a very different team. Remember how much they hammered Ireland after Chicago win?
You don't know much about rugby if you think nz hammeredireland after the Chicago win watch the game again Ireland lost sexton henshaw and stander in the first half nz had to resort to high tackle after high tackle and were clearly on the edge Ireland had far more possession and terrortory poor refereeing at least 2 red cards should have been given we beat them comfortably the next time
Ireland played awesome, the fans have every right to be happy and ecstatic about the win. Steve Hansen’s comment about Ireland being number one and favourites to win the World Cup is a tactical ploy to try and put the mental pressure of expection on the Ireland players ahead of the World Cup. Steve Hansen knows how mentally taxing the pressures of expections can be on players, it took the all blacks 20 years of failure at world cups before they were able to overcome this. He’s also trying to shift the focus on the all blacks team and put it on the Ireland team, the more time other coaches spend going over video footage trying to breakdown Ireland defence and attack the less time they are spending planning for NZ. Hansen is probably sitting at home with a smile on his face watching the media pat Ireland on the back. Hansen already starting the mental warfare in preparation for the World Cup, It’s quite clever TBH
Ha. At last. Some Irish 'perspective'. For clarification, Hansens 'winner-takes-all' proclamation was widely understood here in rugby circles to be a smart way to place his own player group under pressure through the media heading into 2019 wanting his team to feel the pain of a loss without it having anything riding on it BUT if they won, well they responded to his challenge. Nett result is, they didn't respond, they lost. Would the player group be hurting? You betcha! Are they reflecting HOW they lost and more importantly what they each need to do over the summer? Yup, but the self-reflection would be centred not on the Irish loss but will on the SA loss (and come back win a fortnight later). WHY? the AB player group when they lost at home to SA were conditioned ready and piquing (mid Rugby Championship). Their entire conditioning program for each season is centred around execution during the Rugby Championship why AB's are rested from Super games in the lead up. That'll be the worry for Hansen and Foster heading into the summer, not losing to Ireland at the end of a long season with nothing riding on the outcome. The Irish loss (and sneaky win in London the previous week) just highlighted for them HOW they need to overcome defensive systems that stifle their "play what evolves in front of you" remit. Will they successfully do so? For me this is where it gets interesting and worrying same time for NZ's opponents. I believe they will and not because they always do but because every opponent bar SA, Argentina (and to a lesser degree Aust) ONLY focuses on shutting NZ's attack down. Ireland, England & France don't 'challenge' NZ enough when in possession focusing on retention of ball at the expense of creativity with ball. You'll only get 1 opportunity to do a reverse short-side move off a line-out for a winger to chip and chase.... but Argentina, Australia and especially SA show they can score from set piece v NZ consistently manipulating the NZ defence over 80 minutes at a time of the season the AB's are conditioned and piquing. Hell, SA in their last 2 games put 30+ points on us.....
Ewan MacKenna clearly loves arguing but he's not making an actual argument here. All of his gripes seem to boil down to same thing - rugby is elitist and receives special treatment. There's a genuine argument there, and he's right that rugby is given disproportionate coverage relative to its popularity. But, it's also the only major international sport that we're really good at! Don't use Ireland's socio-economic failings as a stick to beat our best sports team with. It's a separate conversation.
Elitist only in private schools id argue but in every other club or whatever.... also would argue not disproportionate coverage due to how good we are and how respected we are worldwide on the sport. I think this guy just never got in the starting XV
Wait, do these guys imagine that their reporting/hype has any affect on team performance? I mean their words do not affect someone's ability to catch a ball
Does Home Ground advantage not count for anything these days? Until you play NZ after your Six Nations at Eden Park, you cannot say that Ireland is the number 1 team in the world.
23:19 no. A national team is a selection of the possibly best players from a selection. Pressure on an individual is not as good as pressure from below. The yelling coach, critical crowd is less successful than a broad pool of talent. Grow your talent, don't plan but hope and trust in the future by investing in it.
They are all wrong. All of them. For almost an hour? They are not speaking outside the issue, they are the issue. All four of them are getting paid for the hour. It's a job. They waffle for an hour to get paid. The game was done and dusted. The players were on planes or back training. They (the journalists) play on, to get paid. Journalists write to sell papers, sell themselves and attract advertising. That's their job, so of course they feel the pulse of the people and go with it. They are not going to sell much of anything doing the "let's be calm about this. We won nothing yet....." That kinda headline would only be picked up by a eclectic rugby purist. This hour long debate is a paid performance to get money to pay bills. Spots Journalism has always been histrionic. Its job is to sell itself to the highest bidder. Ewan only got the gig because he disagreed. Bright boy with the Opposing view career.
It was a great win lad’s, Ireland definitely possess a team capable of beating New Zealand and other opposition. But don't get carried away. Ask New Zealand, before 2011 the All Blacks were heavy favourites heading into all world cups, and lost.
Ewan McKenna (a sports journalist?) erred when he claimed the Irish football team has won more knockout games at World cups than our Rugby team. The one time the Football team made the QFs (1990) we progressed through the round of 16 on penalties, the game is officially recorded as a draw.
As a kiwi rugby is our religion, but as any player knows you will eventually lose, as long as we lose to a better team on the day it's ok. But religions are built over century's not days. No one here compares rugby to football...
I find it ironic that Ewan is saying that the Irish have no perspective on this game. Despite what he is claiming, he has no idea what reaction this result caused in NZ and Australia. I live in Sydney and work in NZ regularly. The reaction from all rugby fans I've spoken to here in oz was consistent "possibly the best test match I've ever seen". I got that from South Africans, Kiwis and Aussies. The NZ media pumped this up to be the biggest rugby game of the year. Ewan is trying to be that all knowing Irishman, that we've all come across, who will try and argue that black is white, night is day and all with the goal of pumping up his own tyres and self importance. Throwing out spurious arguments to defend an indefensible position. Sad and funny at the same time. So Ewan, if Ireland aren't the best rugby team of 2018, who is? "Jimmy the lips" of the Irish media.
How anyone can call Ire v NZ at rugby a friendly or compare it to a football match is just naive. If he commentated on war he'd just say it was a friendly spat between neighbours. .
This guy should not have been given airtime, he is obviously he perfect agitator for the twits on twitter, Madigans tears after a match are a sign of heart, it is the exact emotion top sportsmen need, they use thoughts of family to drive them on. What a negative outlook mackenna has on life in general.
Plus every time the All Blacks play a northern hemisphere team the Ref is from Northern hemisphere and it shows. Why? Blatantly shows. The only Referee the northern hemisphere is the Welshman.
Ewan Mackenna has been vindicated now
He was right all along
I feel sorry for Andy Farrell. He did everything he could. The players choked. Plain and simple. Jesus could be their manager and they would still find a way to lose. Ireland are the mayo of international rugby.
Watching this after 2023 QF loss to All Blacks. Ewan's points still valid five years later!
On the 21st of October 2019, it would appear the answer to this is yes.
On the 31st of October 2020, it would appear the answer to this is yes
@@PS-sw7yq On the 23 of Nov 2021, it would appear the answer to this is no
And on today, October 25th 2023, the answer appears to be yes.
Ewan sitting at home laughing into his cornflakes now .
Ewan was spot on on this!! Fair play and some foresight...
Ewan was 100 percent correct
Absolute gent Ruaidhri O'Connor. You could see he was almost shaking with anger but camly gave his views. LEGEND!
@Jellybeanandkoala
in fairness ALL the panel in OTB should be applauded for not allowing themselves to be click baited in to loosing the heads
(it's not that often that I'd give praise to Ger but jesus Ewan really came across as a *****)
or a naive fool. History has proven Mackenna right.
... and shaking with all that pent-up frustration and emotion. He's far too close to Irish rugby to be able to offer a rational, objective opinion on them. One minute he's getting carried away, and then next he's laying into them. Typical of all rag journalists.
Again, MacKenna's words sounding prescient. Not just the Six Nations, but in todays humiliation at the hands of England.
fact.. another quarter final collapse.
Seriously OTB team: Ewan should be on the show again and much much more.
It's really not pronounced New Zee Land. It's grating.
Get a grip!
Lol
I live in New Zeee land. Lol
Care to enlighten us?
New Zehland
Why isn't Ewan McKenna not on Irish media more? A different, and sometimes correct, opinion is really needed in the echo chamber that is Irish sports media.
You have answered your own question there! Ireland doesn't want different just lickarse and go with the narrative.
A prophet
Sorry for being ignorant but who is this guy?! Always seems to be someone that likes to dump on other people's success'. Ireland have worked bloody hard to get to where they are and have earned the right to feel good about their achievements to date.
Love coming back to this video, when the Team of Us fail again
10:20 is the crux of his argument if I'm not mistaken. Left the panel blabbering.
He forgot how to talk after that truth bomb
Serious question... was Ewan MacKenna simply trying to get a rise out of OTB? He came across as just picking snippets and fitting his rhetoric to them and totally disregarding any response or retort... It was like he was trying to be Paul Kimmage but unfortunately Kimmage has the ability to be articulate and back up his argument with facts whilst Ewan simply comes across as pathetic and bitter Fair play OTB for not climbing down the rabbit hole that he tried so hard to entice you in to!
he gunning to be the new Dunphy
Ewan's starting point is he hates rugby. Everything else he does his research around that to try and disguise that point as concern or some higher moral and intellectual standard. He was treated badly years ago in the Tribune and he's never got over it. This all came spilling out a few years ago on OTB.
OTB... why give him this platform, all he does is stir it up and start flame wars online, the bile from which destroys any points he might be trying to make. His twitter feed is toxic, especially in the comments where he goes at it with anyone who disagrees with his provocative statements. It must be an exhausting experience, to fight everyone.
You're crybabies
Joe Lyons How do you feel now? Irish Rugby is a big joke.
Back here seeing Ewan was 100% correct cos New Zealand hammered ireland at the qfinals in 2019, blew them away 😂
I think McKenna just got proven right...
As an Englishman, Ireland look pretty dam good from what I saw.
bulltraderpt and so did England ,
When they both meet , it will be lucky if there is a Score between them !!
Hopefully nobody gets injured in the Next " Big Game " ....
McKenna was right, however I think at the time we deserved to enjoy what was an amazing year 2018 for us. However other teams studied us and figured us out and we didn't try evolve even more which we had to if we were going to do something at the WC
It’s a shame ewan wasn’t pitchside after the final whistle on Saturday to ask Peter o Mahoney about the friendly game of rugby he’d just played 🤦♂️
The Best team in the world is when a team wins consistently for along time not just one match
Which Ireland have done for several years now.
@@Ligerpride several years??? that not along time try 20 or 30 years
@@tamakaimoanataohau1063 so to be the best team in the world you have to win consistently for 30 years? Nonsense.
I think you're mixing up best team with best sporting nation of that particular sport.
Man city aren't the best team in England because they were in the 3rd tier 15 years ago? Twaddle.
Ireland have been consistantly beating the best in the world for a couple of years now. NZ have been doing it longer and are marginally ahead. Its great to be mentioned in that company
@@daithipol yeah but just wait until Joe goes and blabs all of the Irish team's secrets to the AB's.
Ewan McKenna gives us a lecture on elitism from the Copacabana.
and proven right?
Now listen to these guys they have even said maybe we got ahead of ourselves. They owe him a apology.
Ewan churns out the same *"rugby is for posh bois I hate when my country does well hur dur"* article 3 times a year. Good to see someone's finally telling him to shut up.
As a kiwi, this Ewan guy has no idea, where is the passion...this game was huge in NZ and if we won we would have talked about it for a week. For me Ireland has done incredible. This talk the All Blacks had a long season it was a long tour is crap. The All Blacks were up for this and we lost to a better team. Ireland fans should be ecstatic, and rightfully so.
You should take over Ewan's video. I like your spirit.
he has some ideas
He's right on the private school gap, it really is something the media tiptoe around with reluctance to highlight. But when an outlier like Sean O'Brien or Tadhg Furlong comes along we're being told about their farming background with almost every mention of their name while nobody ever talks about Van Der Flier's background with Wesley college with such enthusiasm!
That's because they are 2 of the best players in the world. Sexton and Ryan get the same media attention for the same reason.
@DM-rp9ik Van Der Flier is literally the reigning world rugby player of the year as I write this comment and his Wesley college background is still not marketed enthusiastically.
It's good to hear different perspectives on both sides. Fair play to off the ball for providing the platform
The Autumn internationals are funny. On one side the coaches cite their team's lack of rugby as a disadvantage while on the other side the coaches cite their team's regular season of rugby as a disadvantage. The same goes for the June internationals. Irish players had just finished a full season of club rugby and that was an apparent disadvantage. The fact is that these are professional full-time world class athletes. If NZ weren't in good shape to play us then there would have been a different line up. Same goes for us against Australia. We have made huge advances sports science. We're monitoring players continuously and making sure that they're in good nick for these massive tests.
It's worth noting that the All Blacks also have a system in place to rest their international players in their domestic league. They toured Japan but were they starting their best possible lineup or maybe using some of those matches to give fringe players a chance just like most other international sides do?
30:20 Good quote from Ewan. The man tries to speak the truth as he sees it. That is bloody hard to do. But he does give Ireland's win the respect it deserves. All us smart buggers know it. Well deserved Ireland. All of the team.
Ewan has a lot of really good points. We had a load of really big and fast guys at school who couldn't play gaelic football, hurling or soccer to save their lives. They would have made excellent rugby players if the rugby association had shown any interest. We were not a fee paying school and on the north side of Dublin. The fact that the elite schools take the boys out of the local club set-up is also crazy in my opinion.
The win was excellent and gave the whole country a belief in a team that unites thousands of people across the globe. Either way what a Saturday night and bring on the Guinness in Japan 2019! Hon the Ireland!!!
This all sounds hilarious now. I remember re-watching this last year. And feeling the same things as Ewan Mackenna.
45ish:35 brilliant quote from Bill Hicks. Feck Ewan, here in the Deep South of New Zealand I've little time between now, sleep, and work yet this interview is breathtakingly fresh. Keep yer feet on the boards lads!
Ewan right yet again,!
Ewan is right
Ewan is just afraid of the impeding onslaught if the the team fails in the six nations and or world cup. But you can't live life worrying about what you will say in the future. The reality is that that was a real test match, and Ireland deserved to win it. You're well within your rights to be exuberant about it. Don't worry about the future when the team is performing consistently as they are, you tell that story not the story of "but we've been here before". This team has beaten everyone, absolutely everyone in the past year. They're very capable of winning the world cup.
Afraid? Nothing would make him happier. He tends to let it slip how much he hates rugby when drunk tweeting.
Brilliant analysis from Ewan.
Well Done!
I think this win has blown up because it’s the first time Ireland won at home to NZ but Ewan does has some fair points. It’s not too much to ask to keep your feet on the ground but I’m sure this will happen after they celebrate and enjoy the milestone.
OK, comments, a selection thereof, later, [comma-extrovert] I can understand both sides. Ewan is your Devil's Advocate. He is not your enemy ( that would be the Devil, not the Advocate). Keep your feet on the ground. [And as for WC chokers: don't forget that every team plays us like it is a WC final --- bloody hard games --- and that our team 'was' poisoned in SA in '95. It's not easy at the top so you will need to be a team, not a collection of players.
if it was a friendly NZ players wouldn't have been as depressed and down after. They were hurt because they knew the significance of the match. Rugby is nothing like soccer.
There's no such thing as friendlies, these games count towards world rankings.
He's right in a way though come beat us three zip at home in 2020 then call yourselves awesome once in Ireland means nothing we aren't australia we wipe our noses with those clowns every year. Lol. Even Schmitt said so himself after the game.
@@MrBannajo not got a clue what any of that meant.
wesaldo I was saying we did the same thing in 2007 thought we'd take the cup home got done by the French in the quarters then we were seen as chokers it can happen. I dont think he's saying ireland shouldn't be proud of that win just don't get to ahead of themselves is all. Plus Playing you at home and playing the ABs at home two different things mate. I'm not worried about our loss we had a similar season in 2014 lost twice to SA and Oz that year back to back world champions the next don't think Hansen and Co will be either.
MrBannajo I agree with you Ireland has a lot to prove and i still put New Zealand as top dog. Rugby is a religion over there whilst here Rugby is still a very fringe sport.
Great performance Ireland and we should celebrate an historic win and lose the plot lol. However, we do need to reign in the plaudits come next year. The press really does us no favours at all in pitching us above our weight going into world championships. We are second tier until we actually win one! There is a reason why great teams stay great, it is called humility, not only by the team itself, but by its followers and its press. The great Kerry team of the 70/80's were a great example of humility, always playing themselves down, talking up the opposition, a lot of their supporters were the same coming into big competitions. A good example on the other side of the coin is the English soccer team, plagued with an over hyped and over confident press for decades. This stuff actually matters when you go into big competitions. Anyway, enjoy the craic over there!!
You're right on the good points Ewan. Keep your feet on the ground Ireland. The focus is on the World Cup. You can win, you can beat the best. But you must be consistently playing the best and beating the best. No disrespect. It is just polite yet insistent truth. I wish Ireland well. You play a great game. The odds are not on the former dead-rubber. The game is on. I fancy the All Blacks but know we can be beaten by a good team. Performance over the tournament will determine the ultimate winner.
Remember Ireland's run in 2018.....no I don't recall!
Ewen going head to head against 3 and he was bang on 😂
This is the deepest Irish squad of players I’ve seen in forty years,would love to see Ireland win the World Cup.
And I would love the pubs to open tonight. Not gonna happen
"OTB HQ" 🙄 - now that's hype
Participation may be 12 th
But a report from a few years back put rugby as the most matched sport on Ireland
Yes participation doesn't really gauge popularity.Rugby is not the most participated sport in NZ yet it's easily the most popular.Also far more woman play soccer which boosts the overall numbers.Also Rugby took the two top spots in Ireland in 2018 as the most viewed sporting events which says something
Wow, he's an oracle. After a spanking by England at home and a close run game against Scotland people can see exactly where they are
Ewan McKenna so right
Ewan is actually right on a fair few points. Wrong on a few too.
It was the end of NZs tournament and they did face England the week before.
Ireland are playing well but needed a drop goal in the dying minutes to win against France and also if Anscombe saw Tipuric behind him instead of throwing that overhead pass I'd argue Wales would have beaten you.
So we wouldn't be having this conversation
England were on a run streak a while back and anyone who knows rugby WELL would have seen the holes in England's game.
Plus we all hated England for running their mouths off.
Get some perspective.
Yes enjoy the win (I'm Welsh and would LOVE to beat NZ) and it was a great game but it was just an autumn game.
NZ are also tinkering and developing for the RWC just the same as everyone one else.
I'll tell you one thing, if WR change ruck laws and binding in contact, Ireland will need a plan B
There is a grain of truth to what he is saying but coming from where Irish Rugby has come from, I think we are right to celebrate every single victory.
I remember the 80s and 90s when we got our arses handed to us most times we played. I remember a match I think it was against Wales in the 5 nations at the time and captain Nick Popplewell crying as he was interviewed because Ireland had finally won A match.
We have come along way from those dark days where we now beat France England Australia and South Africa on a regular basis . . .But not New Zealand until very recently hence why we are celebrating it so much. I was there at the match and it was history made.
We came from such a low standing that World Cups were irrelevant to us but now they are more important.
The timing of the World Cup in September will always give advantage to the Southern Hemisphere teams ie wouldn’t we have loved to have gone into a World Cup a month after winning the Grand Slam.
I think Ewen is playing devils advocate here a little and might be enjoying winding up the OTB lads but also has that little kernel of bitterness from reading his other articles. This is my first time hearing him speak and he reminds me of a cross of Waldorph and Stattler.
Also a UA-cam clip called Joe’s paradox from a famous Gaa video from the 90s. A club had one Utd first ever under age football county final and at the end of it a local was. Interview and was asked his views on the great achievement and he said it was great but it would have been better if it was in the hurling!
Either way Ewen enjoy the Copacabana and say hi the girl from Ipanema.
Sad to see such an angry Donnie Downer at a moment of historical success for Ireland. Keep the faith, gentlemen.
Imagine being stuck in the corner of a party with this guy? Jesus.
The big smily happy head on him when he thought of the Dutch winning against France. Gold Star for Ewan McKenna...... Sap.
It took about 47 minutes, but we got to root of his bias. He hates rugby because he believes it's a game only for the "elite".
I'll gladly show some rugby club's around North Munsters and he can see first had how privileged and elite they are
Could show him connacht or leinster outside of dublin or ulster.... this chap is something elses
But only players from the elite schools and clubs make it
I watched the Germany v Canada game with full knowledge of how important a German win could be to the sport.
Only problem with that is they were very unlikely to win and as what happens with most rugby matches where one team is essentially in another league to the opposition Germany played well for 60 minutes and then the better prepared Canada put them away comfortably.
The importance of that game was only in the story of Germany and the world cup and it's redundant now that they aren't going to be going to the world cup,
Now compare that to no1 and no2 in the world meeting on form and with practically full strength squads.
The German v Canada game went exactly as expected, the Ireland new Zealand game was thrilling throughout.
Ruaidhri absolutely destroyed that grumpy lifeless Moan
did he yeah
@@sevans606 You must love Ewan
What is the rugby video that was covered up. Was that Brian O'Driscoll?
Ireland no 1 scrumhalf and a former Munster winger who is now playing for racing metro in France filmed a sex tape with a woman in Dublin and it was leaked online but the two players threatened to sue so it was hushed up
Ewan MacKenna, do us a favor and stay in Brazil please!
they kept talking over Ewan aswell, couldn't get a point in the whole time, really terrible, rude host.
Ian Madigan would dismantle Ewan in a debate, would love to see that hahahahaha. This guy needs to get back in his box.
What about half our soccer team being born in England.. historically?
This guy is absolutely right
Some decent points, and I do think people got a bit carried away with it (though I seem to recall a lot of people getting carried away when the football team beat Germany, but there you go) but that point about Ian Madigan crying is just pathetic. Crying isn't a sign of weakness, mental or otherwise, and I think it exposes Ewan McKenna's own hangups that he seems to think it is. There's nothing wrong with a young lad who's just put in a serious performance expressing his emotions. Crying doesn't make a man 'weak', or 'soft', and anyone who thinks it does needs to grow up.
Joe's post match presser is what really matters and is the vibe within the camp. This rory guy has just repeated what Joe said in post presser. Banter should always be allowed in sport and you can bet the team celebrated the win and have now moved on. Media are forever desperate for headlines and cant be controlled same goes for fans cop on.
Ment the Ewan guy our paul o connell of media
Why would you begrudge someone coming through in rugby now that can actually make a good living playing the sport they love? The players aren't driving the marketing but they are working bloody hard to perform and pay back the faith the country has in them by winning.
1) New Zealand had a tough game against England the week before
2) Ireland looked comfortable
3) Ireland didn't put enough points on the board to reflect their dominance
4) New Zealand had 3 good chances to score
5) Ireland's lineout was poor after Toner and O'Mahoney left
So, there's room for improvement. And improvement is required.
But one thing is clear, Ireland will not be overawed playing in the final matches of the World Cup
Ewan Mackenna is simply taking the Stephen Jones/Eamon Dunphy approach to journalism, say something controversial to make yourself relevant, fair play to him hes built up his profile.
Cian Greally couldn’t agree more.
Methinks Ewan needs a hug
Ewan was bang on in 90% of what he says. Irish team have been deified by the media. This years 6 nations was shockingly poor and they scrapped it. NZ in a World Cup are a very different team. Remember how much they hammered Ireland after Chicago win?
You don't know much about rugby if you think nz hammeredireland after the Chicago win watch the game again Ireland lost sexton henshaw and stander in the first half nz had to resort to high tackle after high tackle and were clearly on the edge Ireland had far more possession and terrortory poor refereeing at least 2 red cards should have been given we beat them comfortably the next time
Roll a few months forward and you said that you couldn't see the point in SA getting carried away (because it won't solve their problems)
Ireland played awesome, the fans have every right to be happy and ecstatic about the win. Steve Hansen’s comment about Ireland being number one and favourites to win the World Cup is a tactical ploy to try and put the mental pressure of expection on the Ireland players ahead of the World Cup. Steve Hansen knows how mentally taxing the pressures of expections can be on players, it took the all blacks 20 years of failure at world cups before they were able to overcome this. He’s also trying to shift the focus on the all blacks team and put it on the Ireland team, the more time other coaches spend going over video footage trying to breakdown Ireland defence and attack the less time they are spending planning for NZ. Hansen is probably sitting at home with a smile on his face watching the media pat Ireland on the back. Hansen already starting the mental warfare in preparation for the World Cup, It’s quite clever TBH
Ha. At last. Some Irish 'perspective'. For clarification, Hansens 'winner-takes-all' proclamation was widely understood here in rugby circles to be a smart way to place his own player group under pressure through the media heading into 2019 wanting his team to feel the pain of a loss without it having anything riding on it BUT if they won, well they responded to his challenge.
Nett result is, they didn't respond, they lost. Would the player group be hurting? You betcha! Are they reflecting HOW they lost and more importantly what they each need to do over the summer? Yup, but the self-reflection would be centred not on the Irish loss but will on the SA loss (and come back win a fortnight later). WHY? the AB player group when they lost at home to SA were conditioned ready and piquing (mid Rugby Championship). Their entire conditioning program for each season is centred around execution during the Rugby Championship why AB's are rested from Super games in the lead up. That'll be the worry for Hansen and Foster heading into the summer, not losing to Ireland at the end of a long season with nothing riding on the outcome. The Irish loss (and sneaky win in London the previous week) just highlighted for them HOW they need to overcome defensive systems that stifle their "play what evolves in front of you" remit. Will they successfully do so? For me this is where it gets interesting and worrying same time for NZ's opponents.
I believe they will and not because they always do but because every opponent bar SA, Argentina (and to a lesser degree Aust) ONLY focuses on shutting NZ's attack down. Ireland, England & France don't 'challenge' NZ enough when in possession focusing on retention of ball at the expense of creativity with ball. You'll only get 1 opportunity to do a reverse short-side move off a line-out for a winger to chip and chase.... but Argentina, Australia and especially SA show they can score from set piece v NZ consistently manipulating the NZ defence over 80 minutes at a time of the season the AB's are conditioned and piquing. Hell, SA in their last 2 games put 30+ points on us.....
Accurate 👍
It's always the All Blacks against the rest. Cause the All Blacks are the best. New Zealand best at rugby.
Ewan MacKenna clearly loves arguing but he's not making an actual argument here. All of his gripes seem to boil down to same thing - rugby is elitist and receives special treatment. There's a genuine argument there, and he's right that rugby is given disproportionate coverage relative to its popularity. But, it's also the only major international sport that we're really good at! Don't use Ireland's socio-economic failings as a stick to beat our best sports team with. It's a separate conversation.
Elitist only in private schools id argue but in every other club or whatever.... also would argue not disproportionate coverage due to how good we are and how respected we are worldwide on the sport. I think this guy just never got in the starting XV
Wait, do these guys imagine that their reporting/hype has any affect on team performance? I mean their words do not affect someone's ability to catch a ball
Does Home Ground advantage not count for anything these days? Until you play NZ after your Six Nations at Eden Park, you cannot say that Ireland is the number 1 team in the world.
23:19 no. A national team is a selection of the possibly best players from a selection. Pressure on an individual is not as good as pressure from below. The yelling coach, critical crowd is less successful than a broad pool of talent. Grow your talent, don't plan but hope and trust in the future by investing in it.
Ewan McKenna is best ignored. He's the new Neil Francis.
Congrats Ireland....you can celebrate anyway way you want......enjoy it because the next win might take another 100 years
Niuean Laho another 100? But it only took 2! Thanks for the congrats though
😂 ewan was right
They are all wrong. All of them. For almost an hour? They are not speaking outside the issue, they are the issue.
All four of them are getting paid for the hour. It's a job. They waffle for an hour to get paid. The game was done and dusted. The players were on planes or back training.
They (the journalists) play on, to get paid. Journalists write to sell papers, sell themselves and attract advertising. That's their job, so of course they feel the pulse of the people and go with it. They are not going to sell much of anything doing the "let's be calm about this. We won nothing yet....." That kinda headline would only be picked up by a eclectic rugby purist. This hour long debate is a paid performance to get money to pay bills. Spots Journalism has always been histrionic. Its job is to sell itself to the highest bidder. Ewan only got the gig because he disagreed. Bright boy with the Opposing view career.
Believe me in NZ we are smiling at this.Great win Ireland
It was a great win lad’s, Ireland definitely possess a team capable of beating New Zealand and other opposition. But don't get carried away. Ask New Zealand, before 2011 the All Blacks were heavy favourites heading into all world cups, and lost.
Yet they still got to 3 world cups first
Everybody: New Zealand.
McKenna: Noo-Zee-Land.
Dare to believe young man! Stop the party pooping, ya got to take it when it comes.
ian swan He just doesn't like rugby.He is more of a GAA head.
Ewan McKenna (a sports journalist?) erred when he claimed the Irish football team has won more knockout games at World cups than our Rugby team. The one time the Football team made the QFs (1990) we progressed through the round of 16 on penalties, the game is officially recorded as a draw.
And the Irish football has been in 1 world cup QF. Rugby has been in how many 8 ?
@@poc9652 Eh only 8 teams play rugby so how's that an achievement?
@@poc9652 36 teams in footy world cup.
@@thegame6929 Only 8 teams?
@@ciangibbons6643 Yes 8 teams that play rugby seriously and we still can't get past the quarter finals.
Jezz I'd love to slap the head off him. What a clown. He's cant even make a good argument. I'd say he got bullied
There is something wrong with Ewan McKenna...
a prophet??
theres something wrong with you too, its most likely your brain me thinks.
Well we are three wins from first in the world, if we are number one in the world how are we overhyped when they official rankings prove otherwise.
As a kiwi rugby is our religion, but as any player knows you will eventually lose, as long as we lose to a better team on the day it's ok. But religions are built over century's not days. No one here compares rugby to football...
I find it ironic that Ewan is saying that the Irish have no perspective on this game. Despite what he is claiming, he has no idea what reaction this result caused in NZ and Australia. I live in Sydney and work in NZ regularly. The reaction from all rugby fans I've spoken to here in oz was consistent "possibly the best test match I've ever seen". I got that from South Africans, Kiwis and Aussies. The NZ media pumped this up to be the biggest rugby game of the year. Ewan is trying to be that all knowing Irishman, that we've all come across, who will try and argue that black is white, night is day and all with the goal of pumping up his own tyres and self importance. Throwing out spurious arguments to defend an indefensible position. Sad and funny at the same time. So Ewan, if Ireland aren't the best rugby team of 2018, who is? "Jimmy the lips" of the Irish media.
How anyone can call Ire v NZ at rugby a friendly or compare it to a football match is just naive. If he commentated on war he'd just say it was a friendly spat between neighbours. .
This guy should not have been given airtime, he is obviously he perfect agitator for the twits on twitter, Madigans tears after a match are a sign of heart, it is the exact emotion top sportsmen need, they use thoughts of family to drive them on. What a negative outlook mackenna has on life in general.
Ewan mackenna dropping the Hiroshima of truth bombs. Watching this Oct 2020 and its almost like watching a skit show
What about now? 😂
Plus every time the All Blacks play a northern hemisphere team the Ref is from Northern hemisphere and it shows. Why? Blatantly shows. The only Referee the northern hemisphere is the Welshman.
Ewan ' don't enjoy a victory over the all blacks" mckenna. This is first time I've listened to him i think I need a whiskey .
Who would’ve thought he’d be right.