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There's this one grape variety that you taught me about on this channel that is pinot noir like and that is Prokupac. And I agree it produces the kinds of reds that I'm very much interested in. Didn't know about Areni, should buy a couple of bottles to see how I like them.
Very fun and interesting . For me 100% Nerello Mascalese from Mt. Etna. And in specific vintages, Cru Beaujolais. And I agree with you on Nebbiolo . In specific, ones that come from cool, higher altitude places, with reduced tannins. And as always: Enjoy the sunlight held together by water🍷
Very informative thanks. Surprised there was no gamay. Maybe too obvious. Also I would have preferred the reveal be done in the same order that you tasted them
In NW Italy you may want to try Rossese di Dolceacqua (called Tibouren in France, lighter with even less tannins), Grignolino d'Asti (generally simpler more primary), Pelaverga di Verduno and Ruche' di Castagnole Monferrato (spicier, higher alcohol), in NE Italy Bardolino and Valpo (standard, not ripasso or amarone- darker and more cherry) or Schioppettino from Friuli (spicier). In Central/South Italy the closer to Pinot is Nerello Mascalese (more tannins, doesn't develop as much with ageing), maybe Cerasuolo di Vittoria (Frappato/Nero blend, simpler and fruitier) and the Piedirosso, plus high quality Gaglioppo or Magliocco from Calabria mountain vineyards (Classic Ciro from the coast is bigger and fuller body).
Im not very experienced with Pinot Noir and frankly have not been the biggest fan. But the very inexpensive Neiss Spätburgunder from Pfalz opened my eyes, I love it! I have since started enjoying PN from many areas. Interesting video😃
Nice video good work, for me Monastrell have a little more body but i like the flavours more than garnacha and pinot and some are super elegant and fresh. Casa Castillo and Bodegas Cerron all their wines are good from starting level to expensive.
I just have a limited experience with Chateauneuf du pape, but the one that I have bought quite a few bottles of since last spring is Andre Brunel Les Cailloux Chateauneuf du pape. To me, it seemed very similar to Pinot Noir. I have a cousin who likes Pinot Noir and she thought the same. Reminded me of a couple of Burgundies that I’ve had.
When I tasted the 2010 Vina Tondonia Reserva blind, I thought it was PN. 2. Could be Gamay with the strawberry. 3. Sounds like Nebbiolo, probably Barbaresco?
Xinomavro especially with some age on it shows more Pinot Noir character, maybe more so than Nebbiolo. But then again there is quite a bit of variety of Pinot Noir styles so it depends on what your point of reference is. I don't typically try new varieties because they could be like something else, but rather simply to learn and experience
@drmatthewhorkey clarification. Yes 100% agree with you. What I meant to say is that Xinomavro is more like Pinot Noir than Nebbiolo is, especially with some age.
Recently have had high altitude Carmenere, fruit forward with moderate tannins, very nice. Under the radar Beckham, in the Willamette Valley, all there wines are made in amphore, but a very small producer
My favorite alternative to Pinot is cru Beaujolais! Great values with absurd quality. However, for me, nothing beats Burgundy. Burgundy can be ridiculously expensive, but there is still value in the lesser known villages and producers
I love it when you go weird. That's a very interesting tasting. You are a well connected guy, so you surely know about the Wine For Normal People podcast. Elizabeth Schneider does a very interesting gimmick on the show every once in a while that she calls "Alternative to a Favorite", where she enlists alternatives for people who really love Napa Cab or Chardonnay...in the Pinot Noir episode she mentioned lots of interesting grapes and I went after most of them. The major one to me is Nerello Mescalese, which is still affordable. The main producers (Planeta, Donnafugatta, Tasca, Alta Mora) are all available in Brazil, and all of them make good entry level wines (Alta Mora makes the best cheap Etna Rosso, in my opinion). The Dão - which every English speaking person has a hard time with the pronunciation - makes a lot of affordable wines that are light, acidic, fruity and complex. I was astonished when she mentioned a Portugal region, because I've always associated Portugal with powerful wines. Sometimes I go to the supermarket and get a really cheap wine from the Dão, and it almost never lets me down. And that's the style they are going for. Last year I had great wines from the Dão that aim for the Pinot style, even if no one will think they are drinking PN while having a wine from the Dão. I had a lot of Mencía as well. And Chilean Cinsault. One of the Cinsaults was blended with País - from Pedro Parra's winery - and it really reminded me of PN. I like cheap Chilean Cinsault. Mencía, I just don't see it. Elizabeth mentioned Merlot, Agiorgitiko as well, and I understand why she would do it, but I wouldn't recommend those wines to people who want to reproduce the experience they have with PN. Garnacha is one of my favorites, it's done in a lot of different styles and almost all of them rock! I don't associate it with PN because it always carry a considerable amount of alcohol, but I see your point. Some of them are a bit leaner and elegant.
I have been drinking “amphora” wines all my life, I can not distinguish wines made in them. so I have no idea what are you talking about when saying, clay wines have a special texture. only way to tell if wine is made in Qvevri is to taste exactly same wine made in stainless and understand it is better😅
For me, Pinot Noir is the feminine side of the coin and Nebbiolo is the masculine. Nebbiolo brings the tannins. Grenache can be very Pinot-like but the fruit is slightly different. Grenache can also be made into a brute that eats Cabernet wines, and I love those too. Etna Rosso can be terrific but everyone seems to have figured that out and it does not seem like a lot of wine is made on the slopes of that active volcano. German Pinot Noir has been helped by a bit of climate change.
Some competitions that they judged themselves says otherwise. The reason Joseph Drouhin came to Oregon Willamette Valley is because of these competitions.
As a local in Willamette and a fan of Burgundian wines I’d say Dundee and Ribbon Ridge for sub $100 you can get some fantastic Pinot Noir wines. In particular the 2021 is awesome and I’m consistently hearing from winemakers that 2024 could be the best vintage in a long time. All of Willamette is evolving and over time will continue to bridge any gaps vs. Burgundy. I am bias …
Not a fan of the grape, all varieties that I tasted was lacking of power for my taste, but maybe I just don’t have the will to pay several hundred dollars to taste a good one.
No gamay? I’m a burg and pinot lover who has not warmed to Nebbiolo. Barolo often, for me, delivers on the nose, but not in the mouth- of course there have been exceptions. I find the mismatch between the body and tannins to often annoy me. Aglianico, on the other hand, has a nice match between tannins and body and is the Italian red grape that tends to excite me most. I’ve been into wine for over 30 years and I’m still, broadly, unconvinced by Nebbiolo. And I couldn’t care less that the majority of wine lovers don’t agree with me.
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There's this one grape variety that you taught me about on this channel that is pinot noir like and that is Prokupac. And I agree it produces the kinds of reds that I'm very much interested in. Didn't know about Areni, should buy a couple of bottles to see how I like them.
I think you’ll like Areni too then
Just openend a 2014 Knipser Kirschgarten Spätburgunder GG with Goose for tonight, Pinot for the win :))
Nice! How was it? I have two bottles of later vintage that Im very eager to try, but I should probably wait a year or two longer…?
@@TinFoilHatPipeDude The 14 was great to drink, but still has a lot of time ahead. I also have the 19 which I think needs more time.
@@LiveLifeLastingexcellent, thank you! Im glad it delivered, I will sit on my bottles for a while then. German PN can be fantastic IMO.
Niceeeee
Very fun and interesting . For me 100% Nerello Mascalese from Mt. Etna. And in specific vintages, Cru Beaujolais. And I agree with you on Nebbiolo . In specific, ones that come from cool, higher altitude places, with reduced tannins.
And as always: Enjoy the sunlight held together by water🍷
Good points!
For a substitute, Saint Laurent is great. Tough to find though.
It can act like Pinot as well!
Mencia and Xinomavro would have been good ones to add to the tasting.
mencia is fabulous
+ a Rară Neagră from Moldova🇲🇩
+ a Beaujolais cru🇫🇷
+ a Prokupac from Serbia
Good call
Very informative thanks.
Surprised there was no gamay. Maybe too obvious.
Also I would have preferred the reveal be done in the same order that you tasted them
Didn’t have a Gamay on hand
great video!
🙏🙏
Definitely one of my favorites. Very little compares.
😮😮😮 Pinot is a fickle grape indeed
Fun video but surprised no Cru Beaujolais! Would love a video on that.
I didn’t have any on hand
Fun video, well done,🎉
🙏🙏🙏
In NW Italy you may want to try Rossese di Dolceacqua (called Tibouren in France, lighter with even less tannins), Grignolino d'Asti (generally simpler more primary), Pelaverga di Verduno and Ruche' di Castagnole Monferrato (spicier, higher alcohol), in NE Italy Bardolino and Valpo (standard, not ripasso or amarone- darker and more cherry) or Schioppettino from Friuli (spicier). In Central/South Italy the closer to Pinot is Nerello Mascalese (more tannins, doesn't develop as much with ageing), maybe Cerasuolo di Vittoria (Frappato/Nero blend, simpler and fruitier) and the Piedirosso, plus high quality Gaglioppo or Magliocco from Calabria mountain vineyards (Classic Ciro from the coast is bigger and fuller body).
Im not very experienced with Pinot Noir and frankly have not been the biggest fan. But the very inexpensive Neiss Spätburgunder from Pfalz opened my eyes, I love it! I have since started enjoying PN from many areas.
Interesting video😃
Nice! Enjoy the journey
Nice video good work, for me Monastrell have a little more body but i like the flavours more than garnacha and pinot and some are super elegant and fresh. Casa Castillo and Bodegas Cerron all their wines are good from starting level to expensive.
It’s a grape that definitely has its fans
I just have a limited experience with Chateauneuf du pape, but the one that I have bought quite a few bottles of since last spring is Andre Brunel Les Cailloux Chateauneuf du pape. To me, it seemed very similar to Pinot Noir. I have a cousin who likes Pinot Noir and she thought the same. Reminded me of a couple of Burgundies that I’ve had.
That’a one of my favorite producers in CdP and he shows up in a VLOG
When I tasted the 2010 Vina Tondonia Reserva blind, I thought it was PN.
2. Could be Gamay with the strawberry.
3. Sounds like Nebbiolo, probably Barbaresco?
I loveeeee Tondonia so much
Xinomavro especially with some age on it shows more Pinot Noir character, maybe more so than Nebbiolo. But then again there is quite a bit of variety of Pinot Noir styles so it depends on what your point of reference is. I don't typically try new varieties because they could be like something else, but rather simply to learn and experience
I feel like it acts more like Nebbiolo… Beautiful variety though!
@drmatthewhorkey clarification. Yes 100% agree with you. What I meant to say is that Xinomavro is more like Pinot Noir than Nebbiolo is, especially with some age.
Recently have had high altitude Carmenere, fruit forward with moderate tannins, very nice.
Under the radar Beckham, in the Willamette Valley, all there wines are made in amphore, but a very small producer
😮😮😮😮 that is a gem
I tasted País from Chile, and it gave me a blend of PN with Grenache.
I can totally see that!
A 93 point Pinot for as low as $20? Will order some and find out. Thanks!
You’ll like it!
i would give Baga from Bairrada in Portugal a try !
I love the grape and the region, have been there several times altho I feel it acts more like Nebbiolo than Pinot
My favorite alternative to Pinot is cru Beaujolais! Great values with absurd quality.
However, for me, nothing beats Burgundy. Burgundy can be ridiculously expensive, but there is still value in the lesser known villages and producers
Agree!
I love it when you go weird. That's a very interesting tasting.
You are a well connected guy, so you surely know about the Wine For Normal People podcast. Elizabeth Schneider does a very interesting gimmick on the show every once in a while that she calls "Alternative to a Favorite", where she enlists alternatives for people who really love Napa Cab or Chardonnay...in the Pinot Noir episode she mentioned lots of interesting grapes and I went after most of them.
The major one to me is Nerello Mescalese, which is still affordable. The main producers (Planeta, Donnafugatta, Tasca, Alta Mora) are all available in Brazil, and all of them make good entry level wines (Alta Mora makes the best cheap Etna Rosso, in my opinion).
The Dão - which every English speaking person has a hard time with the pronunciation - makes a lot of affordable wines that are light, acidic, fruity and complex. I was astonished when she mentioned a Portugal region, because I've always associated Portugal with powerful wines. Sometimes I go to the supermarket and get a really cheap wine from the Dão, and it almost never lets me down. And that's the style they are going for. Last year I had great wines from the Dão that aim for the Pinot style, even if no one will think they are drinking PN while having a wine from the Dão.
I had a lot of Mencía as well. And Chilean Cinsault. One of the Cinsaults was blended with País - from Pedro Parra's winery - and it really reminded me of PN. I like cheap Chilean Cinsault. Mencía, I just don't see it. Elizabeth mentioned Merlot, Agiorgitiko as well, and I understand why she would do it, but I wouldn't recommend those wines to people who want to reproduce the experience they have with PN.
Garnacha is one of my favorites, it's done in a lot of different styles and almost all of them rock! I don't associate it with PN because it always carry a considerable amount of alcohol, but I see your point. Some of them are a bit leaner and elegant.
Good suggestions!!! Elizabeth will be a guest in a future podcast. I loke the Dão and Parra’s Cinsault too
Anything Rayas.
No idea how he does it, but it always has a pinot profile
It does!
You can't talk about affordable Pinot Noir without mentioning Au Bon Climat
That is one of the best vaues in America!
It's a real shame that you didn't have Prokupac among the wines. Hopefully next time. Otherwise, another informative video. Thank you for this
Prokupac got it’s whole own blind tasting video last year hahhah
Pinot Noir and Cru Beaujolais ( even though it’s Gamay )magnificent
I love Cru Bojo too
I'd put Mencia and Kadarka on the list ;)
Great call on Kadarka!
Damn I can find Gardacho for 9,75 euros lol, will have to try
😮😮😮😮😮😮
I had a mencia from bierzo that I thought was a decent substitute for Pinot noir
Also nice price
They can be!
I have been drinking “amphora” wines all my life, I can not distinguish wines made in them. so I have no idea what are you talking about when saying, clay wines have a special texture. only way to tell if wine is made in Qvevri is to taste exactly same wine made in stainless and understand it is better😅
👍🏼
Pachyderm is a really good underground Pinot 🤙
😅😂
Penfolds cellarmasters PN….😳🍷
😮😮😮😮
Not a thing ❤️❤️
😮😮😮
Nothing compares to it because it has the most palatable red wine taste. Merlot doesn’t, and nor does cab.
😮😮😮
For me, Pinot Noir is the feminine side of the coin and Nebbiolo is the masculine. Nebbiolo brings the tannins. Grenache can be very Pinot-like but the fruit is slightly different. Grenache can also be made into a brute that eats Cabernet wines, and I love those too. Etna Rosso can be terrific but everyone seems to have figured that out and it does not seem like a lot of wine is made on the slopes of that active volcano. German Pinot Noir has been helped by a bit of climate change.
Very good points
Nothing compares to Burgundy. As for all other pinots... I'll pass.
Some competitions that they judged themselves says otherwise. The reason Joseph Drouhin came to Oregon Willamette Valley is because of these competitions.
I am a fan of other styles of Pinot too other than Burgundy
As a local in Willamette and a fan of Burgundian wines I’d say Dundee and Ribbon Ridge for sub $100 you can get some fantastic Pinot Noir wines. In particular the 2021 is awesome and I’m consistently hearing from winemakers that 2024 could be the best vintage in a long time. All of Willamette is evolving and over time will continue to bridge any gaps vs. Burgundy. I am bias …
Nerello Mascalese...
I did an Etna vs Burgundy video in the past
Not a fan of the grape, all varieties that I tasted was lacking of power for my taste, but maybe I just don’t have the will to pay several hundred dollars to taste a good one.
😮😮😮
No it doesn’t
😮
Frappato
Niceee
No gamay? I’m a burg and pinot lover who has not warmed to Nebbiolo. Barolo often, for me, delivers on the nose, but not in the mouth- of course there have been exceptions. I find the mismatch between the body and tannins to often annoy me. Aglianico, on the other hand, has a nice match between tannins and body and is the Italian red grape that tends to excite me most. I’ve been into wine for over 30 years and I’m still, broadly, unconvinced by Nebbiolo. And I couldn’t care less that the majority of wine lovers don’t agree with me.
It seemed a bit obvious plus I didn’t have a Gamay on hand