The fact that he can reproduce vintage wine tastes with cheap ones just means the vintage ones are over rated, over priced. He just proved that the whole vintage thing is a sham.
This comment just shows lack of knowledge. The original has been created through man hours, they are the best. Its the same as dupe perfume. The original has shouldered the cost of research, development etc. The forger comes along, with understanding and the finished product then reverse engineers for a fractio. Of the cost
He took multiple cheap wines and blended them to mimick a vintage taste. Production alone costs way too much to charge anything less than the originals, it's just how retail and price works. I also thought something similar until I realised how unsustainable that it. This leaves me with pride and ego as the motive - not money. He wanted attention and admiration, not some elite vigilante.
Correct…I’ve seen a master wine taster do a blind sampling of cheap and expensive wines. He could correctly identify the cheap, expensive and premium wines, but when asked how much each of the premium wines cost, he said “who can say, it’s whatever people are willing to pay”. So at the top tier, taste is no indication of what a wine costs.
That he could imitate the taste of extremely expensive wines [ ~$20,000/bottle] by mixing cheaper wines together has great value. This means the taste of great bottles can be imitated for the 'rest of us', by blending. There is genius behind that. Granted it may not work all the time, the Burgundy group found that out 34:00 but it worked half the time to fool these experts, and even connoisseurs 29:43. He could become the "John Myatt" of the wine world, as John is for the painting world. What the video doesn't emphasize is he had to have substantial capital to start his forgery business: he had to learn the trade, get into cliques, build relationships, bid for wines to test and serve as models to copy, etc., before the payback. It means he had means to begin with that were substantial, whether that money was eventually going to dry up or he was greedy, would make a good Part II, a prequel.
He got caught because he produced vintages that didn't exist and magnums that were never made. I don't get how he could have been so meticulous with other details but not with these ones! Surely these would be the easiest details to get right, and the easiest mistakes for others to spot
only the manufacturers who keep old production records knew. before the digital era, paper records are kept maybe 3 5 7 years for tax reasons and would have disintegrated by the next generation. his crime spree would have been short had those kind of information been easily obtained. nonetheless his talent lies in the palette that reformulated fake wines - one that wont get him anywhere near wealthy status.
This guy could make a fortune making and selling reproductions of expensive wines. It's not illegal if it's labeled as a reproduction, and he's got built-in credibility as a master wine forger.
I watched TV document about him many years ago and that hopefully showed how much on wine is show and how much there is actual reality. So many people need to know reviews of wine before they can tell do they like it or not.
I love wine forgers. Awful people ripping off awful people. The marriage of immoral avarice with vain, empty, meaningless status seeking… monsters eating each other
It's honestly crazy to see this and think how Rudy could've actually been an amazing winery manager and blender, but instead had his fixations on greed ruined possibly a small chance of him maybe having a successful career in wine.
I respect his choice by far over the intolerable pretension of being a wine “connoisseur”. I watched the American Greed piece on this forgery, and after twenty minutes of listening to all these expert noses getting the vapors over his unthinkable deed-“disrespecting the wines”-I couldn’t have been more thrilled that he had the ingenuity to poke a bunch of holes in their “expertise” and refined tastes. How delicious is it that it only took him a few years to figure out how to pull the rug out from under their charade, with only a cheap printer, some tea bags and the right mixture of discount vino? He flattered their egos and ran off with their trust funds. I wouldn’t have the guts to dare try do what he did myself, but boy am I glad that somebody finally did-he give me schadenfreude to savor for weeks!
@@srkbear1 What can you say, Rudi Kurniawan is a nephew of one of the biggest Indonesian corrupt businessman, Eddy Tansil. Lying is their innate skill, it runs deep in their genes.
Today he is apparently making a killing in his home country with tasting parties.. Making his recreations and serving them side by side the authentic wines for rich people..
the worst part abour forgerers is that they do not know how to stop, he could have stopped when he sold his first bodega and scape with all that money but as I said above this kind of people don't know how to stop.
@@FalkultasHukum EDDY TANZIL IS THE REAL WORST CORRUPTOR!!! There are already a doc that prove it and he is in The Mainland runs his new biz funded by the money he stole from Indonesia.
the fact that Laurent Ponsot himself spent all his effort learning about how to forge his wine means nobody can stop him if he decides to forge some himself XD
@@FullThrottleRacing535 Most (not all) of these connoisseurs use their rarefied access to the most expensive wines to flaunt their “F-- You” money to the world.
Great comment, 20 years in the wine industry, wine as a social status is never enjoyed as much as when surrounded by those you love. Much love from Western Australia home of the Margaret River.
When he gets out he can make a fortune by recreating wines for the average public. I just don’t think he had this grand plan…I think he got over his head and saw an opportunity to fund his financial life jacket.
These genius con artists never know when to quit. They can never make a few bucks and make a quick exit, they always have to immerse themselves to the limit. It always come crashing down around them.
These 'wine people' using the name 'Burgundy' is in itself a scam...there is no such thing as an American Burgundy wine...Bourgogne is in France ,period.
These 'wine people' are talking about Burgundian wines, not American wines. I would imagine that 99%+, if not all of the wines faked by Rudy were Old World, specifically Burgundian labels.
It was a very similar case of wine 🍷 counterfeiting in Romania in the 70s it got so big that at that time he was the richest man in the country. He got shot for undermining the state economy. Even a movie was made about this guy Secrets of Bachus if I'm not mistaken
We built a house for the owner of an award winning Canadian winery and he gifted us a case of his plonk. It reminded me of a gas siphoning mishap i experienced as a kid. My palette may be poor or perhaps those who hand out awards are in on the racket.
Tom Keating and Sexton Blake's ( fakes) springs to mind , Tom was a genius artist who painted in the style of the painting masters and his sexton blakes started to make big amounts of money in the big auction houses and then the police art squad pounced and Tom's defence was his paintings were so good but he never forced people to buy his art but that the experts and art houses and buyers fooled themselves...
Why couldnt Rudy take the bottle with him at the end of the event. I dont drink alcohol. I dont know the rules of a wine club. I imagine the French wine maker called lots of paper makers. This story reminds me of the guy that sold the same bottle or bottles of wine to many people.
Having known some of these kind of characters in NY through Art Galleries & high end catering..,I don't understand how any of these guys could impress and fool sane/normal people...they were bozos with tons of cash , really... flying really low on zero IQ or charisma.spending their family"s wealth.....incredible.
I have infinitely more respect for this fraudster than I do for the highbrow, soulless self-described aesthetes who gather for these ostentatious rituals and lionize each other for having such refined noses. They are so far up their own asses with unearned pretentiousness that even they don’t get the irony that this savvy young kid (with true talent, however fraudulently he used it) figured out how to poke holes in their expert tastes and run off with their trust funds in the course of a few years-with only a cheap printer, some tea bags, and a mix of cheap wines. He’s the savant who could tell a grape, year, winery and vintage from a single sip-while they got bamboozled by a price tag. He’s the true aesthete, and they’re the real frauds!
Too bad they destroyed thousands of his bottles, they could've wrote his name on all of them and had a second life. After all ,he was an amazing wine maker
Now the forgeries are worth more than the originals, fame equals value. What would you rather own? A fake made by the greatest forger of wine in history or a bottle of wine that was easily reproduced by some guy in his garage? Lol
this the first time I proud to be Indonesian, because we were colonized by western people about 350 years and now only 1 person of Indonesian Rudy is able to trick so much western people. I cannot imagine what can be done by us millions of Indonesian people to western people. lol !
Well, you see, he was already rich with embezzled funds from his uncles. Also, I guess you've never heard of Hargobind Punjabi Tahilramani, the "Hollywood Con Queen"? Great guy. Yeah, good luck with all that shit.
This is why you won't see a sommelier submit to a blind taste test. Even they know they can't tell most cheap wines from expensive ones. And I mean truly blind. They might have a "blind" test amongst a group of wines, but although they might not know which ones are which, they know what the group is composed of.
Joe Rogan got me here! "Modest house"????....entire story of a bunch of douche bags complaining about being "had" by a fellow douche bag....Rudy?? Good salesman; knows his customer. When dealing with people with more money than sense...douche it up!
"I can't believe it's not Romanée-Conti" - You're a fucking legend, Rudy!
The fact that he can reproduce vintage wine tastes with cheap ones just means the vintage ones are over rated, over priced. He just proved that the whole vintage thing is a sham.
This comment just shows lack of knowledge. The original has been created through man hours, they are the best. Its the same as dupe perfume. The original has shouldered the cost of research, development etc. The forger comes along, with understanding and the finished product then reverse engineers for a fractio. Of the cost
It's not a scam, people are just willing to pay it to flex. It's like the difference between a $120.000 car, a $1.200.000 car and a $12.000.000 car.
He took multiple cheap wines and blended them to mimick a vintage taste. Production alone costs way too much to charge anything less than the originals, it's just how retail and price works. I also thought something similar until I realised how unsustainable that it. This leaves me with pride and ego as the motive - not money. He wanted attention and admiration, not some elite vigilante.
No it just means his efforts and intellect might be equal to the value of the real thing
Correct…I’ve seen a master wine taster do a blind sampling of cheap and expensive wines. He could correctly identify the cheap, expensive and premium wines, but when asked how much each of the premium wines cost, he said “who can say, it’s whatever people are willing to pay”. So at the top tier, taste is no indication of what a wine costs.
That he could imitate the taste of extremely expensive wines [ ~$20,000/bottle] by mixing cheaper wines together has great value. This means the taste of great bottles can be imitated for the 'rest of us', by blending. There is genius behind that. Granted it may not work all the time, the Burgundy group found that out 34:00 but it worked half the time to fool these experts, and even connoisseurs 29:43. He could become the "John Myatt" of the wine world, as John is for the painting world.
What the video doesn't emphasize is he had to have substantial capital to start his forgery business: he had to learn the trade, get into cliques, build relationships, bid for wines to test and serve as models to copy, etc., before the payback. It means he had means to begin with that were substantial, whether that money was eventually going to dry up or he was greedy, would make a good Part II, a prequel.
They docu says not much is known about his past except that he was already wealthy to begin with
@@musiclover6842 if you google his name or search the comments here, he comes from a family of unsavory business people
Well considering how most who opened and tried a bunch could tell they were fake, I don't think Rudy was as skilled as I thought he appeared.
He got caught because he produced vintages that didn't exist and magnums that were never made. I don't get how he could have been so meticulous with other details but not with these ones! Surely these would be the easiest details to get right, and the easiest mistakes for others to spot
Instablaster
only the manufacturers who keep old production records knew. before the digital era, paper records are kept maybe 3 5 7 years for tax reasons and would have disintegrated by the next generation. his crime spree would have been short had those kind of information been easily obtained. nonetheless his talent lies in the palette that reformulated fake wines - one that wont get him anywhere near wealthy status.
@@pepelepew1227 the palate thing is bs. Plenty of studies have debunked that. Sommeliers are charlatans
@@slipherthevic3910 use some logic to discern nonsensical studies.
@@slipherthevic3910 please cite said studies
This guy could make a fortune making and selling reproductions of expensive wines. It's not illegal if it's labeled as a reproduction, and he's got built-in credibility as a master wine forger.
I thought the same could have made a great company out of this.
I watched TV document about him many years ago and that hopefully showed how much on wine is show and how much there is actual reality. So many people need to know reviews of wine before they can tell do they like it or not.
I've herd anything over 500$ is just show
I love wine forgers. Awful people ripping off awful people. The marriage of immoral avarice with vain, empty, meaningless status seeking… monsters eating each other
Great analogie.
Bazinga?
It's honestly crazy to see this and think how Rudy could've actually been an amazing winery manager and blender, but instead had his fixations on greed ruined possibly a small chance of him maybe having a successful career in wine.
I respect his choice by far over the intolerable pretension of being a wine “connoisseur”. I watched the American Greed piece on this forgery, and after twenty minutes of listening to all these expert noses getting the vapors over his unthinkable deed-“disrespecting the wines”-I couldn’t have been more thrilled that he had the ingenuity to poke a bunch of holes in their “expertise” and refined tastes.
How delicious is it that it only took him a few years to figure out how to pull the rug out from under their charade, with only a cheap printer, some tea bags and the right mixture of discount vino? He flattered their egos and ran off with their trust funds. I wouldn’t have the guts to dare try do what he did myself, but boy am I glad that somebody finally did-he give me schadenfreude to savor for weeks!
@@srkbear1 What can you say, Rudi Kurniawan is a nephew of one of the biggest Indonesian corrupt businessman, Eddy Tansil.
Lying is their innate skill, it runs deep in their genes.
@@srkbear1how do you say I’m a wine snob in French? Suck le bleu I ammah wine snoobb
No doubt he would have been an incredible master blender in both wine and hard liquor, but he would not have gotten rich being someone else's b.
Who know's if Rudy is on the straight and narrow or if he is scamming wine collectors in Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore, Thailand or yhe Philippines?
Gotta respect the greats of anything
Rudy was not a great forger - people who know wine spotted him early-on in his dubious career - gathering evidence and building a case took time.
Never said great for wine forging
Today he is apparently making a killing in his home country with tasting parties..
Making his recreations and serving them side by side the authentic wines for rich people..
I'm highly annoyed but fascinated at the same time
me too, he is just genius
wrggg
the worst part abour forgerers is that they do not know how to stop, he could have stopped when he sold his first bodega and scape with all that money but as I said above this kind of people don't know how to stop.
You’re acting like you have never heard of greed at one point or another it becomes like a fulfilling job
Most intelligent racist
The worst part is the hypocrisy
Love to the subtle taste of mirroring
Sour Grapes is an outstanding documentary on Rudy and his forgeries.
Good for him, a new take on an old scam. A sucker is born every minute.
His uncle, Edi Tansil is the biggest corruptor in Indonesia
No , the biggest kambing hitam 😂😂😂, koruptornya soehaeto
Edi Tansil is blackship
@@FalkultasHukum EDDY TANZIL IS THE REAL WORST CORRUPTOR!!! There are already a doc that prove it and he is in The Mainland runs his new biz funded by the money he stole from Indonesia.
the fact that Laurent Ponsot himself spent all his effort learning about how to forge his wine means nobody can stop him if he decides to forge some himself XD
These wineries could easily “rediscover” a few cases of a “rare” vintage and sell it themselves at auction lol
All thanks to Ponsot getting the ball rolling on this
Very good documentary!!
based on Sour Grabes...
that one will impresse you.
All wine tastes the same to me 😊
His brother is also a corruptor in Indonesia.
Siapee mbaa??
Dar ?
@@frans2740 eddy tansil
Eddy Tansil itu pamannya. Desi Saron bilang his brother (saudara laki Rudy Kurniawan). Bukan his uncle.
nephew not brother
I dont feel anything for the rich wine snobs who bought the fake wine. I do however feel sorry for the producer/s of whos wines were forged.
I agree
Why dont you feel bad for the buyers
@@FullThrottleRacing535 Most (not all) of these connoisseurs use their rarefied access to the most expensive wines to flaunt their “F-- You” money to the world.
Great comment, 20 years in the wine industry, wine as a social status is never enjoyed as much as when surrounded by those you love. Much love from Western Australia home of the Margaret River.
@@remery71 Margaret river is a fantastic spot!
Greetings from the international space station?
Greetings Space Man
Say whay you want but his palate is fucking extraordinary..
He could have probably got away with MadDog 20/20. At $4.95 a bottle none would ever question it. Get greedy. Get caught.
Lol when they went in his house he goes I'm an alcoholic what's the problem 😅
Bad ass
When he gets out he can make a fortune by recreating wines for the average public. I just don’t think he had this grand plan…I think he got over his head and saw an opportunity to fund his financial life jacket.
Any indonesia come here?😅
Which begs the question. What is WORTH
These genius con artists never know when to quit. They can never make a few bucks and make a quick exit, they always have to immerse themselves to the limit. It always come crashing down around them.
he's the nephew of the biggest corruptor in Indonesia
These 'wine people' using the name 'Burgundy' is in itself a scam...there is no such thing as an American Burgundy wine...Bourgogne is in France ,period.
You sound like a wine snob there’s alot not scotch in Scotland want to express that too
These 'wine people' are talking about Burgundian wines, not American wines. I would imagine that 99%+, if not all of the wines faked by Rudy were Old World, specifically Burgundian labels.
Обворовывать толтосумом это благое дело. Так что Руди Курниаван это современный Робин Гуд
Bro…
Stop.
That Kyle smith guy seems really hurt 😔
If the experts liked it then im fine
Ini ponakannya Edi Tansil, Edi sendri kabur ke China dan di sana bermasalah juga, perusahaannya ditutup pemerintah
The Tansil Family Tycoon,
Fraud and Corruption are their business.
Rudi masih keluarga Tanzil?
@@rewindproject1617 masih, keponakannya.
CMIIW
It was a very similar case of wine 🍷 counterfeiting in Romania in the 70s it got so big that at that time he was the richest man in the country. He got shot for undermining the state economy. Even a movie was made about this guy Secrets of Bachus if I'm not mistaken
Have seen some people from the US put their red wine in the fridge😢 forgery not needed 😂
We built a house for the owner of an award winning Canadian winery and he gifted us a case of his plonk. It reminded me of a gas siphoning mishap i experienced as a kid. My palette may be poor or perhaps those who hand out awards are in on the racket.
Petrol smells are used linked to wine being stored improperly. Sounds like he gave you a batch that was exposed to sun light.
Sounds like it was faulty. Hydrogen Sulfide is the cause.
Playing with fires. He deliberately try to sell rare ones that didn't exist.
Perfect!
Has the face of The Greatest Wine 🍷 Bibber too!!!
Pity about the annoying and distracting music from an otherwise very well-made documentary.
He only IS jail because the rich people he scamed they did make sure off It.
Great scam .
english speak any you do?
@@Simon-nv5zj yeah i speak 4 languajes ....not like you thick english ,barely can speak one languaje
@@pericopalotes4848 well, English certainly is not one of them.
@@Simon-nv5zj ok whatever ,do you think that i care about your opinión?
Have a nice day
@@pericopalotes4848 i mean yeah you obviously do otherwise you would not have replied
Just found a book entitled In Vino Duplicitas.
Снег зимой красивый!
This fraud incident is embarrassing for Indonesia..because his family is famous for fraud that has reached the international level.
So this is how he became wealthy really?
Did his family scam also with Wine or something else?
@@musiclover6842 As far as I know, his uncle is a legendary corruptor in Indonesia
Any books on the issue. .Any documentary on Knoedler Art gallery fraud.
how did the wine not go flat after opening multiple wines and mixing them together in new bottle?
I am absolutely shocked 😮 that someone of Chinese descent would make knock off goods 🤯🤯
the cork could be a big giveaway in term of age.
OK. HE WAS LIVING WITH HIS MOM? RED FLAG!!!
Rock on Rudy you just proved that in the wine society's that there all just wannabees...trying to be kool 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Tom Keating and Sexton Blake's ( fakes) springs to mind , Tom was a genius artist who painted in the style of the painting masters and his sexton blakes started to make big amounts of money in the big auction houses and then the police art squad pounced and Tom's defence was his paintings were so good but he never forced people to buy his art but that the experts and art houses and buyers fooled themselves...
Обворовывать толтосумом это благое дело. Так что Руди Курниаван это современный Робин Гуд
He played them rich arrogant people
😂🎉
I wish, he would have sold his dupes openly!
Why couldnt Rudy take the bottle with him at the end of the event.
I dont drink alcohol. I dont know the rules of a wine club.
I imagine the French wine maker called lots of paper makers.
This story reminds me of the guy that sold the same bottle or bottles of wine to many people.
Stealing from the rich, better than from the poor
I drink VINT by Robert Mondavi😃
Victimless crime
Yeah he only give rich what they wanted
You are a criminal.
The pride factor on tasting 🍷
Having known some of these kind of characters in NY through Art Galleries & high end catering..,I don't understand how any of these guys could impress and fool sane/normal people...they were bozos with tons of cash , really... flying really low on zero IQ or charisma.spending their family"s wealth.....incredible.
I have infinitely more respect for this fraudster than I do for the highbrow, soulless self-described aesthetes who gather for these ostentatious rituals and lionize each other for having such refined noses. They are so far up their own asses with unearned pretentiousness that even they don’t get the irony that this savvy young kid (with true talent, however fraudulently he used it) figured out how to poke holes in their expert tastes and run off with their trust funds in the course of a few years-with only a cheap printer, some tea bags, and a mix of cheap wines.
He’s the savant who could tell a grape, year, winery and vintage from a single sip-while they got bamboozled by a price tag. He’s the true aesthete, and they’re the real frauds!
I think he is a mastermind, with special gifts that made him so good in his "work". He just made a stupid mistake. Thats called GREED.
Too bad they destroyed thousands of his bottles, they could've wrote his name on all of them and had a second life. After all ,he was an amazing wine maker
Probably could have sold them and given the proceeds to the victims.
The Billionaire's Vinegar
Now the forgeries are worth more than the originals, fame equals value. What would you rather own? A fake made by the greatest forger of wine in history or a bottle of wine that was easily reproduced by some guy in his garage? Lol
reversed images and video indicates this doc was not created by "Best Documentary", likely stolen from someone else
We got a shelock holmes over here.
Well that bad but cool
If only he sold to the Asian and Australian market as "replicas" he would have made so much money without being charged. 😂
Robbie Coltrane would hve made a decent Kyle Smith in the movie. Hollywood: Where are you?
Elmer's Glue was found on a bottle claiming to be from 1898. Elmer's Glue didn't come out until the 1970s
Why didn't he just make his own wines by mixing others. That's not criminal.
Maybe that wasn’t exciting enough for him?
Hi! Are we allowed to use footage from this?
You could counterfeit it like a fine wine
Wine enthusiasts are so cringe
The problem is, these people don't like being shown up for the pretentious snobs they are.
I wish he had gone into reproductions to make the tastes more readily available
this the first time I proud to be Indonesian, because we were colonized by western people about 350 years and now only 1 person of Indonesian Rudy is able to trick so much western people. I cannot imagine what can be done by us millions of Indonesian people to western people. lol !
well I'm Dutch and Rudy totally forgot to scam me, soooo......
also, I want Papua new Guinea back.🤣
Well, you see, he was already rich with embezzled funds from his uncles. Also, I guess you've never heard of Hargobind Punjabi Tahilramani, the "Hollywood Con Queen"? Great guy. Yeah, good luck with all that shit.
Actually indonesian leaders betray their own people during colonial period. Thats why indonesian not speaking dutch cause VOC just met the leaders.
Qui est la grâce à Squeezie ?
Snobbery was the undoing of his victims.
This is why you won't see a sommelier submit to a blind taste test. Even they know they can't tell most cheap wines from expensive ones. And I mean truly blind. They might have a "blind" test amongst a group of wines, but although they might not know which ones are which, they know what the group is composed of.
"astronomical amount of bottles"? What 12-year-old wrote this script?
U
I believe it was Joe.
Rogan sent me here.
me too
How is he great? He didn't even research what years certain vintages came out. That's a rookie move and doesn't scream intelligence.
Do behave
Rain duck...
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 we are genius
OFFSTAGE HANG brought me here
haha ako din!
Did they find his uncle? The bank robbery?
😂😂😂😂😂😂
I can see it now. Kurniawan labelled wines that are blended for a specific region or style. I would buy a bottle.
He is obviously very talented but sadly, did not put it to good , ethical use.
Joe Rogan got me here! "Modest house"????....entire story of a bunch of douche bags complaining about being "had" by a fellow douche bag....Rudy?? Good salesman; knows his customer. When dealing with people with more money than sense...douche it up!
We were all wondering what brought you here, thank God you informed us. The suspense was absolutely insane. Smh...
@@Last_Chance. Lmao
@@Last_Chance. lol i never knew how many dick heads were out there till i look at you tube comments! great comment!
Barzelay wears a wig!
SPY !
Tikus cina di indonesia
He got greedy and did it for too long.
Ugh, can you show more close-up partials... where we see part of a face, bottle, or whatever. Terrible camera work. Watch 'Sour Grapes' over this.
Barzelays watch is fake
He should have started his own labels. Why pretend to be something else?
There's more to it than that bro
He's gettin greedy