I just find this young gentleman, extremely likeable. His suit, the crucifixes, his accent from old US and his obsessive interest to expand both his jaws and knowledge.
@@angelsky6869 they’re all incels. Mogger is a term for a guy with a strong assertive chin/jawline. So they use that term mog as verb to say that he’s out-mogging lots of guys.
Most of the faces I have been exposed to have a more developed right side. It would be worth studying dominant limbs/asymmetrical posture habits in relation to dominant chewing sides. I have a hypotheis that we are socially conditioned for our brains to develop their left hemispheres and thus the neurological stimulation is greater on the right hemisphere of the nervous system causing it to be overdeveloped in comparison. Some would say that is outlandish but you never know.
Despite the fact that the left hemisphere has less space in the skull if the left side of the face is more recessed. I mean, creatively oriented minds are much rarer than logically oriented minds.
Yes 100%. I noticed this a few years ago. To whatever degree, tiny or noticeable, right side faces typically look that bit more structured while left sides even to a very minimal degree, look, in my opinion slanted, even if ever so slightly, with most people.
@@luislopes6436 I sleep on my right side and my mse mainly expanded the right side. If that's true I would have expected it to expand more on the left. but I have other prexisting asymmetries so it leaves too many variables to know.
I want to add that my nephew (3 years old) who has been breastfed for 1/1.5 years does actually mew while sleeping! I checked by opening his lips a little bit while he was sleeping. He also has a very good looking face and wide arches.
Hey Ron. Long time no talk! Just like you I had AGGA a few years ago (2018) and as an adult it pushed my front teeth out of my maxillary bone to the point that was borderline dangerous for the health of them. Luckily I found a doctor that would help thanks to your recommendation and I am at the tail end of my MARPE treatment (a custom-made MSE appliance was used for my particular case). My teeth have been settling back into the bone and I'm now on tray 16 of 26 (invisalign). My appliance is still in the roof of my mouth as we move my front teeth together and tip them outward for better support within the bone. things are looking better for me than they have in a while and my doc is happy, but I'm having trouble mewing and keeping the suction with tongue on roof of mouth. I'm waking up breathing through my mouth for the first time in a while and Im wondering if that's the result of a high vault and teeth tipping in, causing swelling on roof of mouth near front incisors. My doc doesn't seem concerned, but I am and i'm worried I won't be able to mew properly. Any experience?
I just felt tense for the 5 minutes watching this video. It’s like a tsunami of misdirected energy. I think it’s called ADHD. I felt a sense of calm come over me the moment the video ended. Ahhh
The problem that I see with this guys maxilla is similar to mine, yet rarely discussed -- his right side of maxilla is *more forward* than the left - you can see it from the maxilla photos and the position of his canines. That is why his right cheek is more outwards, his right ear sticks out more and his nose is tilted to the left. // People tend to forget that when discussing asymmetries in the face there are 3 dimensions. They would usually say that one side is either higher/lower or more "puffy" vs. slim. They forget the third dimension: one side of the face can be more forward than the other and that causes asymmetry. Lets also not forget that we can layer asymmetries on top of each other: bones, muscles, and skin -- you can find some discrepancies in all these 3D structures.
I do have it too what do you think the causes of this. I have a cross bite on my left side and maybe this is what make my cheekbone more narrow on this side. Do you have a crossbite too on this side?
holyshizz thats exactly me like to the exact point, what would be the solution for this, pushing the tongue more on the pallet on the opposite??? i really need to know because i always had this assymetry
@@doronshalom4775 I think there might be different causes to this - imbalances in body (pelvis etc.), preferential chewing (one side is more dominant), possibly injuries while young and developing (when the adult teeth come in) and others. I do not have a cross bite but my left top wisdom tooth is in line with other teeth while the wisdom on the right side is buccally tipped.
@@user-hi7ic3zy6k The problem is -- once you want to start mewing and you start from uneven position in maxilla (one side has more space than the other) your tongue might naturally want to fill in the bigger space, expanding it even more; it becomes the vicious circle. I think it would be good to identify the reason for that first - imbalances in body (muscules), same amount of teeth on both sides and they are in-line, sleeping or long, prolonged pressure on one side etc. Just being aware that your tongue rests better on one side is definitely a good start. But I am not a doctor and this is not a medical advise :) Best of luck to you
I just realised why I sometimes used to get teeth marks on the sides of my tongue, because my palate is too narrow to fit my tongue Btw it’s not crows feet it’s eyebags, follow Koko hayashi for eyebags
Does MSE have an increasing asymmetric effect when the skull already is slightly asymmetric or in the condition of plagiocephaly or asymmetrical brachycephaly? Or is MSE treatment refused in these situations?
I got a palatal expander three months ago (I'm currently 18) and now one side is wider than the other, just like the guy in the video. However I'll be getting braces in 4 months...do you think the braces will fix this? Or will It be too late...
@@cr7isbest447 i don’t remember it, I searched Mse looksmax in google and a thread popped up about Mse assymetries and someone posted his before and after. My bad bro I don’t remember
For most people it does nothing since its a left to right force. For some it actually gets worse since there is less support in the middle due to the expansion
Because EASE is for people who have breathing issues and sleep apnea. It's also very expensive and requires traveling to california for surgery. Dr. Li won't do it on orthotropic mewing clowns who want aesthetic gains.
@@DivadMick what aesthetic gains come from expanding the palate besides getting a better smile? I don’t know about anything else. Facial width increase from mse is cope as far as I’ve heard.
because only 1 person in the world does it, and he only first developed the method in 2017. From what I understand it is a more invasive procedure. It was made by Kasey Li in Palo Alto California. And it seems to do a lot of cuts and scoring of bone that would require a surgeon(which Dr.Li is). So it wouldn't be something you could do like a orthodontist could by simply using MSE with a Piezo knife cut. I also have no idea if EASE actually is any better or worse for asymetry. And I don't know that it is or is not advisable to try to move the maxilla forward or not. And So while I am considering it, my concern is that it would only expand side ways, when my issue is more of a front to back collapse and a deviated septum. We are all different of course. It could be a great solution for some people.
@@jorgebernal6614 bro, somehow the posture of whole body is connected. Tooth extraction shrinks tongue space, in turn causing you to develop forward head posture, which causes rounded shoulders due to which upper body leans forward and hence finally causing pelvic dysfunction. See the inter-connection?
he knows he's good lookin' Just like a girl knows she's pretty - ain't that a trip. i think men are definitely getting the shitty end of this whole modern life deal, so it's interesting to see
Yes but we don’t have periods, child birth, pms, birth control worry, being physically weaker ect. I’ll take the male body over getting an easy external life like women do. They are mostly insecure and miserable internally.
Peaky blinders really did a number on this guy
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This obsession with massive maxilla’s lol
He holds his cigarette like an 8yr old who is just learning how to be like the cool kids.
Proof that he doesn't actually smoke and is truly an advocate for good health lol
I just find this young gentleman, extremely likeable. His suit, the crucifixes, his accent from old US and his obsessive interest to expand both his jaws and knowledge.
Absolute chad. The crazy change of the maxilla on the face is insane.
He still mogs most men even with that much of asymmetry
What do you mean mogs
@@angelsky6869 looks better
@@angelsky6869 they’re all incels. Mogger is a term for a guy with a strong assertive chin/jawline. So they use that term mog as verb to say that he’s out-mogging lots of guys.
@@chrisking6695 what do you mean they are all incels? Who is?
Love this guy!
Most of the faces I have been exposed to have a more developed right side. It would be worth studying dominant limbs/asymmetrical posture habits in relation to dominant chewing sides. I have a hypotheis that we are socially conditioned for our brains to develop their left hemispheres and thus the neurological stimulation is greater on the right hemisphere of the nervous system causing it to be overdeveloped in comparison. Some would say that is outlandish but you never know.
Despite the fact that the left hemisphere has less space in the skull if the left side of the face is more recessed. I mean, creatively oriented minds are much rarer than logically oriented minds.
@@childoffire1565 wait a second, I have a more defined left side.
Well that explains a lot....
Yes 100%. I noticed this a few years ago. To whatever degree, tiny or noticeable, right side faces typically look that bit more structured while left sides even to a very minimal degree, look, in my opinion slanted, even if ever so slightly, with most people.
Interesting theories. Here is mine. Sleep position. 8 hours a day will change expansion force.
@@luislopes6436 I sleep on my right side and my mse mainly expanded the right side. If that's true I would have expected it to expand more on the left. but I have other prexisting asymmetries so it leaves too many variables to know.
I want to add that my nephew (3 years old) who has been breastfed for 1/1.5 years does actually mew while sleeping! I checked by opening his lips a little bit while he was sleeping. He also has a very good looking face and wide arches.
So was I but I have sleep apnea
@@bigdino475 wow...
@@bigdino475 same I still sleep with moist close and tongue suctions but my face and arches are narrow. Pretty sure it was because of the extractions
Based chadling
@@ezcanor8262 premolars? wisdom?
I love this channel.
Thank you bro. Good luck with your treatment I watched your video.
1:05 It's the real slim shady
This fucking guy doing smokes inside , love to see it, best channel in the game hands down , nuff said .
Hey Ron. Long time no talk! Just like you I had AGGA a few years ago (2018) and as an adult it pushed my front teeth out of my maxillary bone to the point that was borderline dangerous for the health of them. Luckily I found a doctor that would help thanks to your recommendation and I am at the tail end of my MARPE treatment (a custom-made MSE appliance was used for my particular case). My teeth have been settling back into the bone and I'm now on tray 16 of 26 (invisalign). My appliance is still in the roof of my mouth as we move my front teeth together and tip them outward for better support within the bone. things are looking better for me than they have in a while and my doc is happy, but I'm having trouble mewing and keeping the suction with tongue on roof of mouth. I'm waking up breathing through my mouth for the first time in a while and Im wondering if that's the result of a high vault and teeth tipping in, causing swelling on roof of mouth near front incisors. My doc doesn't seem concerned, but I am and i'm worried I won't be able to mew properly. Any experience?
I just felt tense for the 5 minutes watching this video. It’s like a tsunami of misdirected energy.
I think it’s called ADHD.
I felt a sense of calm come over me the moment the video ended. Ahhh
As someone with ADHD, this is so oddly accurate
Watching this masterpeice again.
The problem that I see with this guys maxilla is similar to mine, yet rarely discussed -- his right side of maxilla is *more forward* than the left - you can see it from the maxilla photos and the position of his canines. That is why his right cheek is more outwards, his right ear sticks out more and his nose is tilted to the left. //
People tend to forget that when discussing asymmetries in the face there are 3 dimensions. They would usually say that one side is either higher/lower or more "puffy" vs. slim. They forget the third dimension: one side of the face can be more forward than the other and that causes asymmetry. Lets also not forget that we can layer asymmetries on top of each other: bones, muscles, and skin -- you can find some discrepancies in all these 3D structures.
I do have it too what do you think the causes of this. I have a cross bite on my left side and maybe this is what make my cheekbone more narrow on this side. Do you have a crossbite too on this side?
holyshizz thats exactly me like to the exact point, what would be the solution for this, pushing the tongue more on the pallet on the opposite??? i really need to know because i always had this assymetry
@@doronshalom4775 I think there might be different causes to this - imbalances in body (pelvis etc.), preferential chewing (one side is more dominant), possibly injuries while young and developing (when the adult teeth come in) and others. I do not have a cross bite but my left top wisdom tooth is in line with other teeth while the wisdom on the right side is buccally tipped.
@@user-hi7ic3zy6k The problem is -- once you want to start mewing and you start from uneven position in maxilla (one side has more space than the other) your tongue might naturally want to fill in the bigger space, expanding it even more; it becomes the vicious circle. I think it would be good to identify the reason for that first - imbalances in body (muscules), same amount of teeth on both sides and they are in-line, sleeping or long, prolonged pressure on one side etc. Just being aware that your tongue rests better on one side is definitely a good start. But I am not a doctor and this is not a medical advise :) Best of luck to you
I just realised why I sometimes used to get teeth marks on the sides of my tongue, because my palate is too narrow to fit my tongue
Btw it’s not crows feet it’s eyebags, follow Koko hayashi for eyebags
why is he smoking the ciggie like that 🤣
Hey Ron did you try to mix breathing and mewing during your monastry years?
How can you prevent an expander from making your face asymmetrical?
Does MSE have an increasing asymmetric effect when the skull already is slightly asymmetric or in the condition of plagiocephaly or asymmetrical brachycephaly? Or is MSE treatment refused in these situations?
anyone know an good mse provider in chicago area?
George Mandelaris
@@JawHacks how about Arizona?
Damn… how do you stop asymmetry from happening during MSE?
How would one go about fixing this assymetry? Is it possible? Or would one just have to accept it
Can a removable appliance widen the palate? I mean a brace worn at night, for like children
What’s the difference between open bite and Brody bite?
I got a palatal expander three months ago (I'm currently 18) and now one side is wider than the other, just like the guy in the video. However I'll be getting braces in 4 months...do you think the braces will fix this? Or will It be too late...
It will be too late I had the same things as you When I was 14 and braces only made it worse
Did he get the surgical assist? Would that have helped?
How can I contact you?
Holy shit, I remember him from a looksmax thread, he looks awesome now even with the asymmetries. Or I think someone reposted one of his Reddit posts
Can you link his looksmax thread link?
@@cr7isbest447 i don’t remember it, I searched Mse looksmax in google and a thread popped up about Mse assymetries and someone posted his before and after. My bad bro I don’t remember
how old he is?
This guys face is perfect, PSL tier
This doesn’t happen with EASE.
Does MSE work if you are 23?
Please upload more videos with that man in black.
Every other day for the next two weeks brother.
why is he pretending he smokes? he colds that cigarette and tokes it like its his first time..
One side is 2024, other side is 1950
SFOT could give you more front back space.
Some, for sure.
Holy shit it's this guy! We spoke on Reddit about those pictures. I literally didn't even recognise him for a while, he looks like a goodfella.
Is he still on reddit?I had him on IG but he deleted his acc
Which procedure did he do expand his maxilla?
Mse expander
What countries is MSE available in? can you do it in Venezuela or Brasil?
DR. Daniel figueiredo in Brazil
@@luluhoney1902 which state?
I will never understand why people with wide palates already get palate expanders
Does this help with forward facial growth also?
For most people it does nothing since its a left to right force. For some it actually gets worse since there is less support in the middle due to the expansion
@@antonlossev3302that doesn't make sense at all
Why not get EASE to avoid the asymmetry issue?
What is EASE
Because EASE is for people who have breathing issues and sleep apnea. It's also very expensive and requires traveling to california for surgery. Dr. Li won't do it on orthotropic mewing clowns who want aesthetic gains.
@@DivadMick what aesthetic gains come from expanding the palate besides getting a better smile? I don’t know about anything else. Facial width increase from mse is cope as far as I’ve heard.
because only 1 person in the world does it, and he only first developed the method in 2017. From what I understand it is a more invasive procedure. It was made by Kasey Li in Palo Alto California. And it seems to do a lot of cuts and scoring of bone that would require a surgeon(which Dr.Li is). So it wouldn't be something you could do like a orthodontist could by simply using MSE with a Piezo knife cut. I also have no idea if EASE actually is any better or worse for asymetry. And I don't know that it is or is not advisable to try to move the maxilla forward or not. And So while I am considering it, my concern is that it would only expand side ways, when my issue is more of a front to back collapse and a deviated septum. We are all different of course. It could be a great solution for some people.
@@DivadMickhow is it confirmed he won’t do it for aesthetic?
did he get a bimax
brother i think after 4 premolar extraction after 3 years i have got pelvic floor dysfunction
How the fuck those two are related haha
@@jorgebernal6614 bro, somehow the posture of whole body is connected. Tooth extraction shrinks tongue space, in turn causing you to develop forward head posture, which causes rounded shoulders due to which upper body leans forward and hence finally causing pelvic dysfunction. See the inter-connection?
@@jorgebernal6614 he’s right
Y’all look up PRI with neil hallinan on UA-cam to get a better understanding of this
@@Zeeshan12368 I get it, but if you got pelvic floor disfunction you should think on other things before of the premolar extractions
are these doctors?
yeah right
this poor guy doesn't realise how uncool he looks
he knows he's good lookin'
Just like a girl knows she's pretty - ain't that a trip. i think men are definitely getting the shitty end of this whole modern life deal, so it's interesting to see
I am afraid to see that
Yes but we don’t have periods, child birth, pms, birth control worry, being physically weaker ect. I’ll take the male body over getting an easy external life like women do. They are mostly insecure and miserable internally.