I have the black ice 30 inch that I bought second hand bout 5 years ago for 800 and I love it and still do. Only issue I've had with it is the pin on the bottom barrel extractor fell out. I have now managed to get hold of replacement ones so fingers crossed sorted. I loved this gun since I saw one it fits me perfectly. Got mine second hand so only come with two chokes and what was on the gun at the time. But it is my main gun for everything
Hi Lloyd. I just got around to watching this video on the Browning Cynergy. I actually own a couple of Cynergy’s: The Cynergy Sporting model with Walnut wood Hogs-back buttstock and a beautiful Cynergy Classic Sporting in Maple…both with 30 inch barrels. The wood does not appear to bring the balance back closer to the mono-hinge…both balance about 1.5” forward of the hinge point. I did have to get used to the Hogs-back comb on the one but nonetheless firing this model is, as you stated to another person commenting, pretty comfortable and felt recoil is minimal with the Cynergy recoil pad. I do like that pad quite a bit and the curve at the heel allows a nice contoured fit to my shoulder. The Classic Sporting in Maple has a much different feel when mounting and the recoil pad is comparable to that of the older Browning 325 and 425 series sporting pad…simple & a bit dense. The recoil on the Classic Sporting is substantially different…a bit more felt but certainly manageable once you get started on a clay field. I looked at the Black Ice version too years back but once I saw the Walnut Sporting, chose to stick with the traditional styling. Anyway, and perhaps surprisingly, the Cynergy series has done ‘ok’ I think for Browning…it’s a mixed bag of opinions. I have a friend that dished out around $4.5K for a used Perazzi MX3 but has had trouble with it mechanically as well as scores in trap & clays but does quite well with his 34” Cynergy.
I have had a Cynergy for 4 years - it was second hand when I purchased it. I have had no reliability issues at all. I have some other guns, A 725 and a Beretta 686 and really think that the Cynergy is a great gun. It's the one I shoot the most and the one I am the most confident with.
Nice review, I have a 32" Cynergy and found out of the box the gun to be very barrel heavy. I solved this by adding some weight to the stock. this brought the balance point near to the trigger guard. Since then most everyone who has shot this gun loved it. The extra weight in the stock really helps the balance.
I ended up buying a 725 pro trap. At first I was unsure about if I wanted to get it but watching your video helped me finally buy it. I start shooting a week! Love your vids keep doing what you are doing!
Nice review, back when I first got into shotgun shooting I bought one of the early "Hog's back " versions when they were first out. Long story short with what I know now, if I picked it up I would immediately put it back in the rack. Even with the wood stock it was quite barrel heavy. The stock really beat up my face and I had several misfires and second barrel not fire issues. I could have fixed the stock I am sure and had Browning fix the mechanical issues. What ended it for me was shooting a friend's 682 Beretta, game over and I moved on. The Synergy was not a bad gun but we just never got along. Once I shot the Beretta I never looked back, still shooting it today, but I know a lot more about "gun fit" and what fits me now days. Others results may vary.
Great vid Lloyd, I appreciate your delicate honesty. I agree with you 100%. The shotgun looks efficient and weather proof for us die hard over under guys. I definitely like over n unders Vs the automatics which work great when new for about 4 years but then parts break down. Surely you can replace these parts but their operation is never the same.
Agree with you on the styling. Rumours of reliability issues put me off too. Also, it wasn't heavy enough for clays and the high asking price of plus AUD$3000 got me looking elsewhere for my first over-under Shottie. Thanks for another cracking review, Lloyd. ::thumbs up::
If Browning revised this gun and sorted out they odd front end balance. They would have a winner I’m sure. Mechanically it’s a clever design. This is just asking for a laminate stock in my opinion with a balancing system and standard inflex pad. Upade: just looking on the USA Browning website and they now do the cynergy with a walnut stock fitted with a inflex pad.
Laminate stock and balance weight system would transform this gun. It was originally available with a walnut hogs back stock but not with balance weights. The bigger problem is the size of the bearing surface in the action, without proper care they have a tendency to heavy wear and wind up getting very loose.
The forearm release lever on mine gets quite warm when shooting clays. Enough to hurt my palm. I either have to wear a glove or what I do is kinda bend my palm down and rest the forearm more on the thumb and pinky portions of my palm. I heard this is the norm for the Cynergy. Not just mine.
Hi Lloyd, I'm new to clay shooting and have found your videos great for info and gun reviews - thanks. One tip for your videos though would be a back light, i.e a diffused light on a tripod next to the camera to get rid of the shadows on your face and help light up the guns (could be as simple as a bulb with some white paper in front), hope that's useful, looking forward to your next videos
Hi Paul, thanks man. I'm no stranger to photography and lighting, and I have been wanting a soft box for a while however I just can't be doing with dedicating the space at home to a studio setup as well as buying yet more gear, the channel costs me a fair bit to run and I get nothing for it. Watch the next video coming out on Friday, I have a new light setup which I am tinkering with, more developments to follow.
I have a 725 Feather 12 gauge over under shotgun weighing just 6 pounds and 7 ounces with 26 inch barrels. The Synergy Feather 12 gauge over under shotgun intrigues me. Is the Synergy receiver better than the 725 receiver?
I hope yours don't have the Dura-Touch coating. Mine, that is one of the early models from few years ago (I got 2nd hand here in Canada, in mint condition, 5 years ago) is now, as we speak with Browning Canada. They are changing for free the whole stock because the model I have, had this Dura-Touch coating that makes the rubbery plastic more and more sticky with time, no matter how much you clean and maintain it. There was a legal settlement about this case in the US and a gunsmith here told me to call Browning to change my stock. So all in all, Browning Canada just told me to bring my Cynergy so they can replace the whole stock, for free with a new plastic stock without that Dura-Touch thing (I hope).
That’s a lot of effort to count that. I suggest you avoid the crossover episode of “bloke on the range” and “British muzzle loaders”. It may trigger your OCD
I bought one of these new in 2012. I loved the design and technical stuff. But it was too light and the plastic scratched and marked. I found it bounced around and was not as good as my previous Cynergy Pro Trap with which i was top gun on the DTL game. I sold it and miss it but it is a flawed model.
Agreed, a lot of the older synthetic cynergies I have seen have not weathered well, the rubber inserts in the grip and fore end in particular seem to perish badly.
The nature of the jointing means that a lot of these guns tend to wear out surprisingly quickly. The massive bearing surfaces are a magnet for dirt that grinds the metal causing slack actions.
In my opinion this and the Benelli 828u are a bit of the same thing, the concept is right but the final product just isn't. Its hard too reinvent the wheel one more time...
Doesn't mean you should stop trying though David, history is littered with failed concepts but it's only by failing that things get better. Evolution of design.
Absolutely I really do like the design and the way the 828u operates, its new and fresh shall we say and might be one of the nicest looking guns in its price point. It's really a shame so many people have had problems with them. If it wasn't for that I would have bought one in a heartbeat just to own one.
Honestly I don’t know. I think that the thrust of the policy it to remove extreme content relating to firearms, and channels like mine are anything but. If they pull my ad revenue, I won’t notice as after a year I haven’t actually made a single penny from the channel. I will keep doing this as long as I can if you guys keep watching, and if you want to help, please consider backing me on Patreon, the link is up in the description.
I have the black ice 30 inch that I bought second hand bout 5 years ago for 800 and I love it and still do. Only issue I've had with it is the pin on the bottom barrel extractor fell out. I have now managed to get hold of replacement ones so fingers crossed sorted. I loved this gun since I saw one it fits me perfectly. Got mine second hand so only come with two chokes and what was on the gun at the time. But it is my main gun for everything
Hi Lloyd. I just got around to watching this video on the Browning Cynergy. I actually own a couple of Cynergy’s: The Cynergy Sporting model with Walnut wood Hogs-back buttstock and a beautiful Cynergy Classic Sporting in Maple…both with 30 inch barrels. The wood does not appear to bring the balance back closer to the mono-hinge…both balance about 1.5” forward of the hinge point. I did have to get used to the Hogs-back comb on the one but nonetheless firing this model is, as you stated to another person commenting, pretty comfortable and felt recoil is minimal with the Cynergy recoil pad. I do like that pad quite a bit and the curve at the heel allows a nice contoured fit to my shoulder. The Classic Sporting in Maple has a much different feel when mounting and the recoil pad is comparable to that of the older Browning 325 and 425 series sporting pad…simple & a bit dense. The recoil on the Classic Sporting is substantially different…a bit more felt but certainly manageable once you get started on a clay field.
I looked at the Black Ice version too years back but once I saw the Walnut Sporting, chose to stick with the traditional styling.
Anyway, and perhaps surprisingly, the Cynergy series has done ‘ok’ I think for Browning…it’s a mixed bag of opinions. I have a friend that dished out around $4.5K for a used Perazzi MX3 but has had trouble with it mechanically as well as scores in trap & clays but does quite well with his 34” Cynergy.
I ended up buying the Cynergy in mosey oak shadow grass blades camo. I love it and shoot it very well at the clay games. Cheers
Thank you.
I have had a Cynergy for 4 years - it was second hand when I purchased it. I have had no reliability issues at all. I have some other guns, A 725 and a Beretta 686 and really think that the Cynergy is a great gun. It's the one I shoot the most and the one I am the most confident with.
Out of interest David how many targets a week are you shooting on average?
Lloyd Pattison Only 80 to 100 a week. I think the gun would do fine with more though. Still very solid after thousands upon thousands of carts.
Nice review, I have a 32" Cynergy and found out of the box the gun to be very barrel heavy. I solved this by adding some weight to the stock. this brought the balance point near to the trigger guard. Since then most everyone who has shot this gun loved it. The extra weight in the stock really helps the balance.
Yeah the gun in 32" has hopeless balance. I dont understand why Browning don't sell this gun with a stock weighting system.
I ended up buying a 725 pro trap. At first I was unsure about if I wanted to get it but watching your video helped me finally buy it. I start shooting a week! Love your vids keep doing what you are doing!
Awesome, thanks man.
Nice review, back when I first got into shotgun shooting I bought one of the early "Hog's back " versions when they were first out. Long story short with what I know now, if I picked it up I would immediately put it back in the rack. Even with the wood stock it was quite barrel heavy. The stock really beat up my face and I had several misfires and second barrel not fire issues. I could have fixed the stock I am sure and had Browning fix the mechanical issues. What ended it for me was shooting a friend's 682 Beretta, game over and I moved on. The Synergy was not a bad gun but we just never got along. Once I shot the Beretta I never looked back, still shooting it today, but I know a lot more about "gun fit" and what fits me now days. Others results may vary.
Thank you Larry
Great vid Lloyd, I appreciate your delicate honesty. I agree with you 100%. The shotgun looks efficient and weather proof for us die hard over under guys. I definitely like over n unders Vs the automatics which work great when new for about 4 years but then parts break down. Surely you can replace these parts but their operation is never the same.
Thanks Rudy. I favour Benelli semi autos because of their simplicity, but OU is always simpler :)
Agree with you on the styling. Rumours of reliability issues put me off too. Also, it wasn't heavy enough for clays and the high asking price of plus AUD$3000 got me looking elsewhere for my first over-under Shottie. Thanks for another cracking review, Lloyd. ::thumbs up::
Thanks man :)
Thanks Lloyd for another good review.
You are welcome.
30 inches ported 3 inches Nice wood Cynergy comfortable killer😊😊
ive got one with 32 inch barrels, i'm 6ft 8 inch tall and found it moves freely
Really? you don't think it's barrel heavy?
Luv your work Lloyd from Down Under..
Cheers man
These cynergys are so underrated. Id shoot this over a 725 all day. Btw barrel heaviness is not necessarily a bad thing. My cynergy is 7lbs 11oz
If Browning revised this gun and sorted out they odd front end balance.
They would have a winner I’m sure.
Mechanically it’s a clever design.
This is just asking for a laminate stock in my opinion with a balancing system and standard inflex pad.
Upade: just looking on the USA Browning website and they now do the cynergy with a walnut stock fitted with a inflex pad.
Laminate stock and balance weight system would transform this gun. It was originally available with a walnut hogs back stock but not with balance weights. The bigger problem is the size of the bearing surface in the action, without proper care they have a tendency to heavy wear and wind up getting very loose.
@@lloydyp thanks for the reply, I did now about the wear issue.
The forearm release lever on mine gets quite warm when shooting clays. Enough to hurt my palm. I either have to wear a glove or what I do is kinda bend my palm down and rest the forearm more on the thumb and pinky portions of my palm. I heard this is the norm for the Cynergy. Not just mine.
Never noticed that myself, but if you notice, I hold the fore end way out so I wouldn't have my hand anywhere near the latch.
Hi Lloyd, I'm new to clay shooting and have found your videos great for info and gun reviews - thanks. One tip for your videos though would be a back light, i.e a diffused light on a tripod next to the camera to get rid of the shadows on your face and help light up the guns (could be as simple as a bulb with some white paper in front), hope that's useful, looking forward to your next videos
Hi Paul, thanks man. I'm no stranger to photography and lighting, and I have been wanting a soft box for a while however I just can't be doing with dedicating the space at home to a studio setup as well as buying yet more gear, the channel costs me a fair bit to run and I get nothing for it. Watch the next video coming out on Friday, I have a new light setup which I am tinkering with, more developments to follow.
If you think the 28 inch is muzzle heavy, try the 32 inch..... it's a bit like flailing away with a fence post!
agreed
I have a 725 Feather 12 gauge over under shotgun weighing just 6 pounds and 7 ounces with 26 inch barrels. The Synergy Feather 12 gauge over under shotgun intrigues me. Is the Synergy receiver better than the 725 receiver?
Dear me no.
@@lloydyp thanks for the opinion.
I hope yours don't have the Dura-Touch coating. Mine, that is one of the early models from few years ago (I got 2nd hand here in Canada, in mint condition, 5 years ago) is now, as we speak with Browning Canada. They are changing for free the whole stock because the model I have, had this Dura-Touch coating that makes the rubbery plastic more and more sticky with time, no matter how much you clean and maintain it. There was a legal settlement about this case in the US and a gunsmith here told me to call Browning to change my stock. So all in all, Browning Canada just told me to bring my Cynergy so they can replace the whole stock, for free with a new plastic stock without that Dura-Touch thing (I hope).
It's not mine, it's just a press gun. 113 episodes in, and I would be facing a difficult discussion with my wife if they were all my guns.
@@lloydyp Oh I agree ;)
add weights to the rear to balance out the gun then ita perfect
I think you said "um" forty nine times. Ease up on the um, but other than that, awesome review and thanks!
😂😂😂
That’s a lot of effort to count that. I suggest you avoid the crossover episode of “bloke on the range” and “British muzzle loaders”. It may trigger your OCD
That's how I talk, take it or leave it.
I bought one of these new in 2012. I loved the design and technical stuff. But it was too light and the plastic scratched and marked. I found it bounced around and was not as good as my previous Cynergy Pro Trap with which i was top gun on the DTL game. I sold it and miss it but it is a flawed model.
Agreed, a lot of the older synthetic cynergies I have seen have not weathered well, the rubber inserts in the grip and fore end in particular seem to perish badly.
Lloyd, can you get your hands on a Beretta UGB25 for a review please?
borjastick I would love to, but they are pretty rare, I’ll try GMK, you never know.
What reliability issues do you refer to?
The nature of the jointing means that a lot of these guns tend to wear out surprisingly quickly. The massive bearing surfaces are a magnet for dirt that grinds the metal causing slack actions.
Couldn't understand a word he said.
Je ne comprend pas?!
Nice review Lloyd I was looking at this gun as a starter for my son to get into trap. What did you think of the recoil pad? Looks like it works well.
Felt recoil from this gun is excellent. The pad works very well as it doesn’t kick like a 7lb gun.
In my opinion this and the Benelli 828u are a bit of the same thing, the concept is right but the final product just isn't. Its hard too reinvent the wheel one more time...
Doesn't mean you should stop trying though David, history is littered with failed concepts but it's only by failing that things get better. Evolution of design.
Absolutely I really do like the design and the way the 828u operates, its new and fresh shall we say and might be one of the nicest looking guns in its price point. It's really a shame so many people have had problems with them. If it wasn't for that I would have bought one in a heartbeat just to own one.
Is the new you tube policy going to effect you?
Honestly I don’t know. I think that the thrust of the policy it to remove extreme content relating to firearms, and channels like mine are anything but. If they pull my ad revenue, I won’t notice as after a year I haven’t actually made a single penny from the channel. I will keep doing this as long as I can if you guys keep watching, and if you want to help, please consider backing me on Patreon, the link is up in the description.
support.google.com/youtube/answer/7667605?hl=en# that's the full policy, I think this is unlikely to affect me.
The only browning gun I hate
I feel you :)