The adjustability of this gun and others like it is not for fiddlers , it is for every day shooters who can't afford to go to the factory and have their new gun set up , the result is the same , it ends up with a personalised fit , the difference is, if you ever want to sell this type of gun the new owner will have no real problem getting it to fit , unlike the custom fitted gun which will most likely need going back to the factory , and , as a result is hard to sell
Lloyd ... from an old DT-11 shooter ... you might make it more complicated than needed. It is easier to take the trigger out when the gun is disassembled. When taking the group out make sure to move the top lever so it locks in the open position because that holds the trigger group locking fork inside the action in the back position and lets you take out the group out just like you showed AND insert it as easily. If you let the top lever move back to the center, teh locking fork inside moves forward and you have to repeat the process to move it backwards to insert the group. If the lever remains locked to the right you can drop the group back in without any issues or resistance, then just push the top lever release pin on top of the action while you hold the opening lever and guide it back. Voila. It will easily lock the trigger group back in on every try!
I recently tried a Dt11 and to be honest it was not obvious to me that the Dt11 had less felt recoil than say a blaser f3 etc. I was close to buying a new K80, but lets just say the sole importer/dealer was his own worst enemy. So now questioning should i blow so much money on a gun. Therefore im going to look at 2nd hand 694le next week and leave the premium gun for a few years.
Hi Lloyd, great review as always, I shoot a DT11 Black- is the pistol grip on the ACS a tighter radius?, I don’t have large hands and could do with a tighter grip, Also just to mention that it’s much easier to remove and replace the trigger unit with the gun broken down- I do it regularly and found this out the hard way, love the channel, great reviews.
Lloyd, Do you think that the ACS would be good for someone who does roughly 80% international trap and 20% sport and skeet? Or would it be better to buy a dedicated DT11 trap and a separate DT11 or 694 ACS or Sporting for the other two disciplines?
Risk of barrels dropping can be avoided when removing the trigger group by taking them off pal and just working with the stock and action. The DT11 is trickier than Perazzi, I found it would only go back in at a certain angle and also wouldn't seem to go back in with the triggers released. Prefer the Perazzi's removable trigger..
Mate, you and me both. I have been asking manufacturers for an sxs to test but thus far no luck. When I get one, I will post one. I have not forgotten.
Hi Lloyd, love the channel mate! I just wondering if you had your choice between the DT11 ACS and the Blaser F3 Supersport, which would you choose and why?
I used to own an f3 supersport, lovely gun with great ergo. The two are very similar to be honest with the biggest differences being styling / finish, and ergonomics. Obvs the lockwork and action design are completely different but you won't notice that's when shooting. The best advice is to try both and go for the one that you feel fits your hands better. The Beretta is a chonkier gun than the F3.
@@lloydyp Thanks for the reply Lloyd. I'm looking at trading my DT10 on one of the two, I've had a shot out of a couple of DT11's but no one in my area sells or has a Blaser, they're not real common in Australia, or at least not in my neck of the woods.
Answered your own question. Why buy a gun that isn’t supported in your region? Stick with the one that every gunsmith can get parts for and knows how to fix. It’s the same reason people go for Toyota even if they aren’t the best value for money
Great review Lloyd. On these high rib versions do you feel you have good sight picture on crossing birds? It seams you have the adj stock set higher to compensate.
Thanks, I never really notice the rib as I look at the bird, it's really just a different head position during the shot. I shoot low gun as you can see depending on the presentation so I always get a good view of the bird as it appears.
Probably a difficult or stupid Question: Would you rather get a Beretta 690 with a nice custom fitted Stock or go straight to Perazzi or Krieghoff and, because spending that much money on Wood and Woodwork on a "cheap" gun. Or is the 690 or something similar that good, thats it is worth to put a custom stock on it and save the rest of the money (Difference is probably 6k€)?
I have always shot flat rib guns with a significant drop. I'm questioning how this higher rib changes or not the sight picture and if it affords more drop at comb and heel?
Sight picture is the same but without the barrels as they are below your eyeline. Head position is more upright, with the higher comb bringing the head up into line with the rib. The drop at heel is the big difference.
well let's see.. annoyingly easy to shoot 47 out of 50 first time out adjustable to each shooters exact point of impact. shoot it all day with no recoil felt sounds pretty dam good to me.
I would quite like to write some stuff if given the chance, but I suspect it would help if someone like you where to mention it next time you were on the phone to Clay Shooting...
it's a very utilitarian gun. NOTHING overly exciting. It does the job but, it just doesn't compare to P guns... Lots of people buy DT11 then after a short time you see lots of used one's for sale.
The D11 is a piece of shi!!!! had 2 of them they both fell apart beretta just sends you more shit parts they dont back there products all the adjustable parts fall apart
@@lloydyp See what you did there!! ...Not really (New yes) but iv,e brought a couple at a third of DT11 price,s ish...Oddly have a 694 !! Seems a good gun . . .as you know. . .Cheers
The adjustability of this gun and others like it is not for fiddlers , it is for every day shooters who can't afford to go to the factory and have their new gun set up , the result is the same , it ends up with a personalised fit , the difference is, if you ever want to sell this type of gun the new owner will have no real problem getting it to fit , unlike the custom fitted gun which will most likely need going back to the factory , and , as a result is hard to sell
Lloyd ... from an old DT-11 shooter ... you might make it more complicated than needed. It is easier to take the trigger out when the gun is disassembled. When taking the group out make sure to move the top lever so it locks in the open position because that holds the trigger group locking fork inside the action in the back position and lets you take out the group out just like you showed AND insert it as easily. If you let the top lever move back to the center, teh locking fork inside moves forward and you have to repeat the process to move it backwards to insert the group. If the lever remains locked to the right you can drop the group back in without any issues or resistance, then just push the top lever release pin on top of the action while you hold the opening lever and guide it back. Voila. It will easily lock the trigger group back in on every try!
Spot on. This is the way I do it. Also same with the barrels on just open the gun. Easy enough.
I have one and really like the adjustable comb. I took it out of the box, put two shots on the pattern board and have not touched it since.😊
Good man, thanks for sharing.
I recently tried a Dt11 and to be honest it was not obvious to me that the Dt11 had less felt recoil than say a blaser f3 etc. I was close to buying a new K80, but lets just say the sole importer/dealer was his own worst enemy. So now questioning should i blow so much money on a gun. Therefore im going to look at 2nd hand 694le next week and leave the premium gun for a few years.
Hi Lloyd, great review as always, I shoot a DT11 Black- is the pistol grip on the ACS a tighter radius?, I don’t have large hands and could do with a tighter grip, Also just to mention that it’s much easier to remove and replace the trigger unit with the gun broken down- I do it regularly and found this out the hard way, love the channel, great reviews.
Ref the ACS, not that I've noticed no.
Lloyd,
Do you think that the ACS would be good for someone who does roughly 80% international trap and 20% sport and skeet? Or would it be better to buy a dedicated DT11 trap and a separate DT11 or 694 ACS or Sporting for the other two disciplines?
I think it would be ideal for that exact use case.
Risk of barrels dropping can be avoided when removing the trigger group by taking them off pal and just working with the stock and action. The DT11 is trickier than Perazzi, I found it would only go back in at a certain angle and also wouldn't seem to go back in with the triggers released. Prefer the Perazzi's removable trigger..
Definitely easier job on the MX8 :)
How often do you take out your triggers Lloyd?
Never, I have a Perazzi HTS.
Sorry, I forgot. The point is I haven’t taken them out and don’t plan to unless something goes wrong, where I’d have someone help me
@@deanludeman7538 I know lots of people that have never taken the trigger group out. Don’t worry about it.
Good review as always, still waiting for a Side by Side review👍
Mate, you and me both. I have been asking manufacturers for an sxs to test but thus far no luck. When I get one, I will post one. I have not forgotten.
Aya XXV or Aya No.2 would be nice, or a Merkel maybe =)
Hi Lloyd, love the channel mate! I just wondering if you had your choice between the DT11 ACS and the Blaser F3 Supersport, which would you choose and why?
I used to own an f3 supersport, lovely gun with great ergo. The two are very similar to be honest with the biggest differences being styling / finish, and ergonomics. Obvs the lockwork and action design are completely different but you won't notice that's when shooting. The best advice is to try both and go for the one that you feel fits your hands better. The Beretta is a chonkier gun than the F3.
@@lloydyp Thanks for the reply Lloyd. I'm looking at trading my DT10 on one of the two, I've had a shot out of a couple of DT11's but no one in my area sells or has a Blaser, they're not real common in Australia, or at least not in my neck of the woods.
@@TurboYoot don't buy a Blaser
@@Procharged32 Thanks for your comment mate. Care to elaborate on your comment? Did you have a bad experience?
Answered your own question. Why buy a gun that isn’t supported in your region? Stick with the one that every gunsmith can get parts for and knows how to fix.
It’s the same reason people go for Toyota even if they aren’t the best value for money
Great review Lloyd. On these high rib versions do you feel you have good sight picture on crossing birds? It seams you have the adj stock set higher to compensate.
Thanks, I never really notice the rib as I look at the bird, it's really just a different head position during the shot. I shoot low gun as you can see depending on the presentation so I always get a good view of the bird as it appears.
Straight question: after some years of testing now, are you suggesting DT11 ACS or DT11 Sporting bfast? Thanks
Meh, I am not a fan of raised ribs, I think it's a solution without a problem TBH.
Probably a difficult or stupid Question: Would you rather get a Beretta 690 with a nice custom fitted Stock or go straight to Perazzi or Krieghoff and, because spending that much money on Wood and Woodwork on a "cheap" gun. Or is the 690 or something similar that good, thats it is worth to put a custom stock on it and save the rest of the money (Difference is probably 6k€)?
Not a stupid question at all, but one with an answer that deserves more than a UA-cam comment I think. Maybe a subject for a video.
@@lloydyp I would love that!
I have always shot flat rib guns with a significant drop. I'm questioning how this higher rib changes or not the sight picture and if it affords more drop at comb and heel?
Sight picture is the same but without the barrels as they are below your eyeline. Head position is more upright, with the higher comb bringing the head up into line with the rib. The drop at heel is the big difference.
well let's see..
annoyingly easy to shoot 47 out of 50 first time out
adjustable to each shooters exact point of impact.
shoot it all day with no recoil felt
sounds pretty dam good to me.
indeed.
You should apply to do magazine reviews, you are much more subjective adding personality, keep up the good work
I would quite like to write some stuff if given the chance, but I suspect it would help if someone like you where to mention it next time you were on the phone to Clay Shooting...
6:58 loooool
:)
What a beautiful gun. It's definitely on my short list.
did you get one?
it's a very utilitarian gun. NOTHING overly exciting. It does the job but, it just doesn't compare to P guns... Lots of people buy DT11 then after a short time you see lots of used one's for sale.
I dont think the DT is a utilitarian gun to be honest.
The D11 is a piece of shi!!!! had 2 of them they both fell apart beretta just sends you more shit parts they dont back there products all the adjustable parts fall apart
SO`s Much Better Gun. . .
SO much more expensive too.
@@lloydyp See what you did there!! ...Not really (New yes) but iv,e brought a couple at a third of DT11 price,s ish...Oddly have a 694 !! Seems a good gun . . .as you know. . .Cheers