English media lack of football knowledge and BIAS.. Rafa Benitez won 2 LaLiga titles and Europa league with Valencia CF in 2002 and 2004.. He came to Liverpool, WORST Liverpool time, and won them the Champions league in his first season in 2005 ..Won them FA cup in his 2nd season while Winning consecutive UEFA Manager of the year.. He took them to champion league final in 2007.. He won Chelsea Europa league in 2013 WTF are these English media talking about?! What has any English Manager done in the 21st century?? NOTHING!!
People can say what they want about Benitez, he's won the Champions League, Europa League (X2), La Liga (X2), FA Cup, Italian Cup, Club World Cup. He's won more than 99.9% of people who will ever go into management. And Valencia and Liverpool weren't world beaters when he joined them.
But what did he do through? Apparently he only gave the team the formation. Never spoke to them, motivated them etc. Them particular players always made him look good. He just had world class players who ran the whole show in side and outside the dressing room. 🤷♂️ it’s actually incredible that’s he did nothing and won all that.
Giving team talks is only one side of the management paradigm. Look at the great captains of successful clubs: Keane, Viera, Terry, and Gerrard, none of them have had stellar management careers
So basically what he’s saying is instead of listening to what he could’ve done better, he disregarded what he said because he didn’t stroke Pennant’s massive ego? I’m pretty sure Jermaine is one of the worst players Rafa’s ever managed either
No I shouldn’t think he is at all, in fact more often than not he played well when he was in the team, Benitez obviously rated him seeing as he got him in.
Rafa had the misfortune of coaching in places where the teams at the time were just transitioning from other managers who were so embedded with the players. Add that with the known problem that Rafa was never an ideal man manager. A few players have quoted this including Stevie and xabi Alonso. So this is not new or surprising. Rafa is still a great coach even if he was cold and distant with players.
@@sponish0 well you can see the massive difference in Rafa and Klopp for example..... One was reserved and didnt know how to express passion even when winning, all that you could get out of Rafa was a wry smile maybe..... come on we've all had bosses that are dry and ALL about just the business no jokes no banter etc... then there are the people who are on your level and tries to understand..... Rafa probably is just that sort of quiet person.... but then again you get the other side where the manager cant get things done like Ole Solkjaers whos a mate with everyone etc and then put on the dour face to assert authority etc
Did he actually say that? I guess it's when the manager didn't pick you, Pennant. The fact that Benitez didn't say much to him tells where he was in Benitez's plans. I'm sure he didn't behave like that with all players.
Im not a fan of pennant but they are human beings not robots the best managers will praise players playing well to motivate them it can't just all be negative critisism all the time they can demotivate anyone regardless of pay
@@JRK2669 Gerrard was lucky enough to be a world class talent. Not sure we can say the same about jermaine. He probably should have paid attention to the advice that Rafa was trying to give him.
Pennant joined in 2006 we won the champions league in 2005 a simple google search instead of posting nonsense like this and the fact 5 people liked the comment is laughable
Benitez definitely has had a successful career as a manager overall. What he did at Valencia and Liverpool was fantastic. I think however things started to turn for him when he had the rant about Fergie facts and started to become a bit more prickly towards various clubs owners in the media. He had the press conference where he was clearly sulking after being told off by his owners and answered almost every question saying something like he was only responsible for the training of the players. After taking over treble winners Inter Milan and not having the best of times at Inter, he won the World Club Cup and then basically publicly said that Moratti had to back him or sack him, so Moratti chose the latter option. Although Newcastle fans may have loved him at times, he definitely played that relationship against Mike Ashley in press conferences. It's a shame because you can't question his success, I just think he has tried too much to use the media to manipulate clubs and it has probably ruined his reputation a bit
Do you know anything about football? Benitez is universally hated by most fans and players, including his former Valencia and Liverpool players. He basically fluked a Champions League win with a goal that never was against Mourinho's Chelsea juggernaut in the semis, and then Dudek saved penalties to win the final in Istanbul. And then Benitez promptly goes on to sell Dudek to Madrid and dismantles the winning team to then win absolutely nothing with Liverpool. He spent millions on over 80+ players at Liverpool and the only world class players he actually bought were Mascherano, Alonso, and Torres; just 3 out of 80! He dined out on that fluke Istanbul win with someone else's team and conned the deluded Liverpool fans into thinking that Hicks and Gillette were the problem, when it was he who squandered all their transfer money. As for Valencia, ask any Valencia fan what happened after he left there. He only won because both Real and Barca were going through a transition and Real hadn't started their Galactico project yet. And once he left, he left Valencia in such a terrible state that they kept having to sell their best players for years - Villa, Mata, Silva - and never recovered for years. And for even more proof on how terrible of a manager he is, look what he did at Inter. Mourinho wins a historic, unprecedented treble in Italian football and Benitez goes there and promptly dismantles the squad and wins nothing!
@@robdatta8767 what's with the angry little man response? First of all, in case I've confused things and come across as a fan of Benitez, I'm really not. I can however see that he has had success that deserves to be acknowledged. Regardless of how good Madrid and Barca were at the time, he still won a couple of league titles with Valencia and the UEFA cup. I guess the rest of the clubs in Europe must have been terrible too, afterall even Porto won the Champions League that season. I guess we should all disregard the La Liga titles that Diego Simeone has won at Atleti because they were both at times when Barca and Real Madrid weren't at their very best. Pretty similar scenario to Benitez at Valencia although he didn't spend nearly as much as Atleti. After winning the champions league he won nothing with Liverpool? Super Cup, FA Cup, Community Shield. Although he didn't win it he also was runner up in the Champions League a couple of seasons later when Inzaghi won it for Milan. Still an achievement to get to another final with a team of only 3 good players. Didn't win anything at Inter? Super cup and World Club Cup would suggest otherwise. Went on to win the Europa League with Chelsea and won the Championship to get Newcastle back in the Premier League. So maybe you should read your previous comment and then ask yourself what you know about football. Again, I don't like Benitez at all, but to say he hasn't been successful seems foolish unless you only consider people who win the league every season to be successful.
The Chelsea players still played well for Benitez despite not liking him. They won the FA Cup in a season where they was still a disconnect between manager, players and fans. The players were professional enough to win. They didn’t take the route of losing to get the manager out which was much easier. Rather they just didn’t think the manager make the future of the players at the club secure. JT would be gone in the summer if Benitez stayed. The fans will turn against Rafa even more. Senior players would begin to fall out with the gaffer and all the spiralling effects on the club. Every organisation issue surveys and opinion sampling towards the end of a year or season. The players simply agreed not to give Rafa a positive review. I don’t think anyone walked into Abramovich’s office to speak to him. Owners have their ear on ground and someone would have told Roman the players were not happy. Roman isn’t stupid. He would sense it and act. He doesn’t need a face to face with the players to act.
@@Austgoon777see how many Chelsea managers in that time tried to drop him and see how the team played, that they had to bring him back, he was the only one back then who made Chelsea play the way they did
Mikel Obi replaced Makelele and was replaced by Kante, that is how good Obi was in Chelsea, even under Rafa, Chelsea won the Europa Cup in Rafa 6 months.
Telling you about your faults was Rafa’s way of telling you you had a good game. Gerrard was never praised by Rafa in his whole time there instead he would tell him what he had to improve on.
If i remember rightly Benitez was brought in as an interim manager until the end of the season then they brought in Jose for the next season. Not sure he was got rid off it was a temporary job anyway. He did make sure Frank Lampard played a lot to help him beat Booby Tambling's record. I did not understand his treatment of John Terry but they probably just clashed. We did win the Europa Cup so not sure the players were not playing because they were. I actually liked Jermaine Pennant as a player even as a Chelsea fan but he was a bit stroppy at times.
At my club Everton he caused absolute murder..!! Nevermind the FACT that every single fan despised his guts (God only knows what Moshri was thinking hiring him cos of his links from aceoss the Park) but he fell out with half the players to the point were Luca Digne criticised his style of play so he sold him to Villa for daring to speak against him and then was sacked literally 3 days later..!! Most hated manager EVER..!!
I'm an Everton fan & had no issue with Benitez's hiring. I actually think one of the issues that his hiring brought was that the fan-base was split into "Get rid of him" types and "Give him a chance" types. Created tension in the stands.
The turning point for me is when Rafa asked newcastle players to cut their goal celebrations especially when goals were hard to come by with him in charge. Just shows that he is from an era behind
Won trophies at Liverpool and broke the Madrid/Barcelona monopoly with Valencia wining la Liga that year. The players that still criticise Benitez are players that were flops at Liverpool
@@groovetraxxxgingerbreadman1282 was a flop after Benitez sold him, career when downwards. Madrid and Newcastle worst signing. Man Utd was his saving grace with a few goals in pm Winning side. He never forgive benetiz not resigning him.
It is the most professional way to behave. They had a squad of world class players, many of them captains of their nations. Those players set the standards, and when a manager comes in and doesn't help the team reach those standards, the players taking a stand is the correct thing to do. The players had a hunger to win, and if the manager didn't bring that same hunger, he needs to go, nothing wrong with that.
John Terry wasn't playing because his knee was so shot that he could barely jump for a header. Bizarre that Terry couldn't see that. As for Pennant, Benitez got the best out of you - quit your moaning, lad.
So this Player said the team was running the show before Rafa and during Rafas managership, sounds like the Current Man Utd Squad, who shipped out 4 Managers and now they are after Ten Hag. Player Power great and what have Mr Terry and Lampard achieved as managers Sod all, just show how good they really are.
Rafa cost us 2 league titles by playing way too defensive against teams that wouldnt leave their own half. He would play 2xdm against stoke/ wba etc. 0-0 draws at home cost us those titles. Was he a successful manager? Yes.But too conservative to win the premier league.
jermaine pennant? who is he? just an ex footballer with an ax to grind, a winger with over 350 appearances , scored 25 league goals. lol. rafa probally could of done a better job on the pitch playing than this non entity
@@Gggg-cq1ihcorrect. He just basically told everyone the exact reason why he was a privileged, overpaid failure, who ended up at Stoke during his prime.
... and yet Jermaine was probably Benitez's worst player. Go figure. Rafa has won trophies galore yet Jermaine didn't win a thing. So who's the fool here? Funny how Chelsea players do this to Rafa yet end up playing their best for him by winning the Europa League.
Contradicts himself instantly: “ Didn’t give no explanation.. didn’t say when you’re playing bad “ 5 seconds later : “ .. and he came and told me about my faults “
The story is silly, because of the players "got the manager they wanted", then Rafa wouldn't have been given the job in the first place. As a Chelsea fan, there have been some crazy moments, and that appointment was near the top. What was Roman thinking? Rafa had had his say on Chelsea, and he'd burnt that bridge. As for player power, we were winning things at the time, so yeah, you wanted to keep the players happy.
Must have been an awful Man Manager when he got his team to somehow overturn a 3-0 deficit in a UCL final to win on penalties. That doesnt take man management?
What is it with you people? Hating Rafa had nothing to do with results. We didn't want him, period. There was nothing he could do to be accepted. He won a trophy with us, and we still don't care. He hated Chelsea, and only came to us for the money. Fair enough, he'd been at Liverpool. But we weren't having him here.
Alonso . It hurt when Alonso left , but Rafa crossed a line in not giving Alonso permission to attend the birth of his child . Rafa did not take leave from LFC when his own father passed , but that disconnect is vast and should not be imposed on others. YNWA
Well that explains why Pennant never did anything. You can't expect praise every time you have a good game. The objective should always be to do better. If a coach is highlighting your weaknesses he is trying to ground you. Amd if you aren't taking that on board or trying to prove them wrong then you dont have the right mentality
Left it in an airport car park for months and he'd completely forgotten about it mate. Bloke played in a champions league final under Rafa and then fell off the face of the earth. Not hard to work out who was to blame
All the people defending Benitez and having a go at Pennant when many players have said the same about Benitez including Robbie Keane, Gerrard, just to name a few.
Rafa was a great tactician. Man management is different to coaching tactics. I guess he just let the big characters in the dressing room deal with things.
Why are these sycophant presenters laughing at the fact that the Chelsea players bullied the manager out of his job! We all knew this but to sit and laugh about it on the air is just sickening. Surprise, surprise JT was behind it all.
Liverpool fans getting defensive in the comments, unsurprising. This is a well documented flaw about Benitez, tons of players he's managed have said it including Gerrard. The common conscious is tactically he's a genius, but his man management is cold & leaves a lot to be desired.
He is a good manager not a great manager. His way of playing is not lose, very defensive hence Liverpool used to tie a lot of matches. This is why we could never win a Premiere League under him. We He had a Ferrari of team that was waiting to be unleashed and he drove that team like a smart car. We were too busy turning draws to win losses into draws that we never played on the front foot. He was lucky to have Torres and Stevie to save him time after time. LIverpool fans gave Torres hell for going to Chelsea but have no negative thing to say to him when he gladly accepted the Chelsea job and on top of that the Everton job. Regardless majority of the players who played under him did not like him and have nothing nice to stay about him. In addition since 2013 he has been a failure. Just got fired from Getafe.
Jermaine was signed by Arsenal for a record fee for a I think a 16 year old. Never fulfilled his potential, or certainly the potential that Arsenal believed he had. Was it temperament or not good enough? Don’t know, but Football has many a story like this. Just sad really. Benitez CV stands up against most.
The Boss should be more powerful than the players. That’s problem with modern football 🥅. Players are more powerful than the manager. That should not be the case. Rafa record shows he can’t be that bad as these guys are saying.
Im sure these Talksport pundits are paid to make a dig or bring up Arsenal in any given interview. What was the point in Pennant making a dig at Martin Odegaard here, I can’t think of someone more far removed from this conversation than he is.
So was Benitez he somehow failed with a treble winning Inter team, a champions league winning Chelsea team, a Real Madrid squad featuring Ronaldo and he failed with Napoli despite being given their biggest transfer since Zola and Maradona
It says a lot more about the Chelsea dressing room than Rafa. Terrible attitude they would have one great season and would always have a stinker whenever the manager wasn't flavor of the month the following season
Man management for Pennant meant an ankle monitor.
@user-tn8uu2cu8gyour goat is struggling to keep your side of the bed warm
@@stephenlynch6389 because your mother is lying there
Guy should be in jail
@@niloben659Ban Islam in the Uk 🇬🇧
The clash of IQ levels. Pennant not coming out on top.
@user-tn8uu2cu8gAllahu noncebar
The fact you needed another player to give you motivation says it all
How? There can only be one leader.
English media lack of football knowledge and BIAS..
Rafa Benitez won 2 LaLiga titles and Europa league with Valencia CF in 2002 and 2004..
He came to Liverpool, WORST Liverpool time, and won them the Champions league in his first season in 2005
..Won them FA cup in his 2nd season while Winning consecutive UEFA Manager of the year..
He took them to champion league final in 2007..
He won Chelsea Europa league in 2013
WTF are these English media talking about?!
What has any English Manager done in the 21st century?? NOTHING!!
Ferguson went to back to back champions league finals and won one of them, knocking out one of the best Barcelona sides along the way.
@@justtestingonceand he’s called the goat manager people talk about benetiz like he’s some bum
@@justtestingonceFerguson is Scottish
I hear that, but I think you gotta take players words at Face value.
Even Gerrard never really rated him
He bombed at Chelsea and Real Madrid. Maybe there is a reason?
People can say what they want about Benitez, he's won the Champions League, Europa League (X2), La Liga (X2), FA Cup, Italian Cup, Club World Cup. He's won more than 99.9% of people who will ever go into management. And Valencia and Liverpool weren't world beaters when he joined them.
he won the championship too!
Very good.manager.
Also did it with sub standard teams.
I think valencia he beat real and barca
He was. He isnt now
great tactically just wasn't a good man manager didn't know how to connect with or motivate players. @@willhitchcock6227
But what did he do through? Apparently he only gave the team the formation. Never spoke to them, motivated them etc. Them particular players always made him look good. He just had world class players who ran the whole show in side and outside the dressing room. 🤷♂️ it’s actually incredible that’s he did nothing and won all that.
Benítez saw through Pennant quickly. He was embarrassing for LFC.
@user-tn8uu2cu8g No interest in a fictional character who married a child.
Funny how Steven can't do that now when he actually needs to run the changing room telling them what they need to do
Giving team talks is only one side of the management paradigm. Look at the great captains of successful clubs: Keane, Viera, Terry, and Gerrard, none of them have had stellar management careers
So basically what he’s saying is instead of listening to what he could’ve done better, he disregarded what he said because he didn’t stroke Pennant’s massive ego? I’m pretty sure Jermaine is one of the worst players Rafa’s ever managed either
No I shouldn’t think he is at all, in fact more often than not he played well when he was in the team, Benitez obviously rated him seeing as he got him in.
Rafa had the misfortune of coaching in places where the teams at the time were just transitioning from other managers who were so embedded with the players. Add that with the known problem that Rafa was never an ideal man manager. A few players have quoted this including Stevie and xabi Alonso. So this is not new or surprising. Rafa is still a great coach even if he was cold and distant with players.
great tactically just wasn't a good man manager didn't know how to connect with or motivate players.
@@sponish0 well you can see the massive difference in Rafa and Klopp for example..... One was reserved and didnt know how to express passion even when winning, all that you could get out of Rafa was a wry smile maybe..... come on we've all had bosses that are dry and ALL about just the business no jokes no banter etc...
then there are the people who are on your level and tries to understand.....
Rafa probably is just that sort of quiet person.... but then again you get the other side where the manager cant get things done like Ole Solkjaers whos a mate with everyone etc and then put on the dour face to assert authority etc
Rafa won multiple titles everywhere, pennant went to Jeremy kyle, enough said
😂😂😂
"He didn't tell me when I was playing well!"... ahhhhhh poor baby needed a pat on the head for doing his job well whilst being paid a fortune.
Did he actually say that? I guess it's when the manager didn't pick you, Pennant.
The fact that Benitez didn't say much to him tells where he was in Benitez's plans. I'm sure he didn't behave like that with all players.
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Im not a fan of pennant but they are human beings not robots the best managers will praise players playing well to motivate them it can't just all be negative critisism all the time they can demotivate anyone regardless of pay
Jermaine basically telling the world how unprofessional he was as a player. A managers nightmare.
And probably why he was a bit of a failure.
Gerrard, Robbie Keane said the same about Benitez just to name a few.
😂
@@JRK2669 Gerrard was lucky enough to be a world class talent. Not sure we can say the same about jermaine. He probably should have paid attention to the advice that Rafa was trying to give him.
i mean he has been more successful than 99.99999% of people alive i would't say failure but yeah didn't reach full potential ofcourse
@@sponish0 a failure at the club where he was throwing his toys out of the pram
Benitez got to a CL final playing Pennant - must have been a genius!
Pennant joined in 2006 we won the champions league in 2005 a simple google search instead of posting nonsense like this and the fact 5 people liked the comment is laughable
@@stephenlynch6389 You should try reading the sentence again.
2007 final pennant played@@stephenlynch6389
They got to cl final in 2007 with pennant in team. @@stephenlynch6389
@@stephenlynch63892007 he must be referencing ,as we reached the final v Milan again this time with Pennant . He said reached final not win it
Benitez definitely has had a successful career as a manager overall.
What he did at Valencia and Liverpool was fantastic.
I think however things started to turn for him when he had the rant about Fergie facts and started to become a bit more prickly towards various clubs owners in the media.
He had the press conference where he was clearly sulking after being told off by his owners and answered almost every question saying something like he was only responsible for the training of the players.
After taking over treble winners Inter Milan and not having the best of times at Inter, he won the World Club Cup and then basically publicly said that Moratti had to back him or sack him, so Moratti chose the latter option.
Although Newcastle fans may have loved him at times, he definitely played that relationship against Mike Ashley in press conferences.
It's a shame because you can't question his success, I just think he has tried too much to use the media to manipulate clubs and it has probably ruined his reputation a bit
Do you know anything about football?
Benitez is universally hated by most fans and players, including his former Valencia and Liverpool players. He basically fluked a Champions League win with a goal that never was against Mourinho's Chelsea juggernaut in the semis, and then Dudek saved penalties to win the final in Istanbul. And then Benitez promptly goes on to sell Dudek to Madrid and dismantles the winning team to then win absolutely nothing with Liverpool. He spent millions on over 80+ players at Liverpool and the only world class players he actually bought were Mascherano, Alonso, and Torres; just 3 out of 80! He dined out on that fluke Istanbul win with someone else's team and conned the deluded Liverpool fans into thinking that Hicks and Gillette were the problem, when it was he who squandered all their transfer money.
As for Valencia, ask any Valencia fan what happened after he left there. He only won because both Real and Barca were going through a transition and Real hadn't started their Galactico project yet. And once he left, he left Valencia in such a terrible state that they kept having to sell their best players for years - Villa, Mata, Silva - and never recovered for years.
And for even more proof on how terrible of a manager he is, look what he did at Inter. Mourinho wins a historic, unprecedented treble in Italian football and Benitez goes there and promptly dismantles the squad and wins nothing!
@@robdatta8767 what's with the angry little man response?
First of all, in case I've confused things and come across as a fan of Benitez, I'm really not.
I can however see that he has had success that deserves to be acknowledged.
Regardless of how good Madrid and Barca were at the time, he still won a couple of league titles with Valencia and the UEFA cup.
I guess the rest of the clubs in Europe must have been terrible too, afterall even Porto won the Champions League that season.
I guess we should all disregard the La Liga titles that Diego Simeone has won at Atleti because they were both at times when Barca and Real Madrid weren't at their very best.
Pretty similar scenario to Benitez at Valencia although he didn't spend nearly as much as Atleti.
After winning the champions league he won nothing with Liverpool?
Super Cup, FA Cup, Community Shield.
Although he didn't win it he also was runner up in the Champions League a couple of seasons later when Inzaghi won it for Milan.
Still an achievement to get to another final with a team of only 3 good players.
Didn't win anything at Inter?
Super cup and World Club Cup would suggest otherwise.
Went on to win the Europa League with Chelsea and won the Championship to get Newcastle back in the Premier League.
So maybe you should read your previous comment and then ask yourself what you know about football.
Again, I don't like Benitez at all, but to say he hasn't been successful seems foolish unless you only consider people who win the league every season to be successful.
@@shoji-josuzuki1641 Ha, a keyboard warrior. I stopped reading at Super Cup and Community Shield. LMAO, you really know nothing about football.
@@robdatta8767very salty
The 'facts' rant was when he lost it. And it was clear he had a weird personality so I'm not surprised some players disliked him.
The Chelsea players still played well for Benitez despite not liking him. They won the FA Cup in a season where they was still a disconnect between manager, players and fans. The players were professional enough to win. They didn’t take the route of losing to get the manager out which was much easier. Rather they just didn’t think the manager make the future of the players at the club secure. JT would be gone in the summer if Benitez stayed. The fans will turn against Rafa even more. Senior players would begin to fall out with the gaffer and all the spiralling effects on the club. Every organisation issue surveys and opinion sampling towards the end of a year or season. The players simply agreed not to give Rafa a positive review. I don’t think anyone walked into Abramovich’s office to speak to him. Owners have their ear on ground and someone would have told Roman the players were not happy. Roman isn’t stupid. He would sense it and act. He doesn’t need a face to face with the players to act.
Penant, Obi Mikel, these are average players and Rafa thought the same of them😅
Obi Mikel average? Log off kid you're clueless
Mikel was good.
@@JRK2669 Mikel was alright and not some kind of Rodri or Casemiro you are projecting him to be
@@Austgoon777see how many Chelsea managers in that time tried to drop him and see how the team played, that they had to bring him back, he was the only one back then who made Chelsea play the way they did
Mikel Obi replaced Makelele and was replaced by Kante, that is how good Obi was in Chelsea, even under Rafa, Chelsea won the Europa Cup in Rafa 6 months.
Telling you about your faults was Rafa’s way of telling you you had a good game. Gerrard was never praised by Rafa in his whole time there instead he would tell him what he had to improve on.
If i remember rightly Benitez was brought in as an interim manager until the end of the season then they brought in Jose for the next season. Not sure he was got rid off it was a temporary job anyway. He did make sure Frank Lampard played a lot to help him beat Booby Tambling's record. I did not understand his treatment of John Terry but they probably just clashed. We did win the Europa Cup so not sure the players were not playing because they were. I actually liked Jermaine Pennant as a player even as a Chelsea fan but he was a bit stroppy at times.
At my club Everton he caused absolute murder..!! Nevermind the FACT that every single fan despised his guts (God only knows what Moshri was thinking hiring him cos of his links from aceoss the Park) but he fell out with half the players to the point were Luca Digne criticised his style of play so he sold him to Villa for daring to speak against him and then was sacked literally 3 days later..!! Most hated manager EVER..!!
😭😭 what a story with digne, classic
You hated Kenwright, spat on him & hounded him to an early grave!
You should be ashamed
interesting fact: Frank Lampard had a much lower points per game average as caretaker manager of Chelsea (0.45) than Rafa at Everton (1.14)
I'm an Everton fan & had no issue with Benitez's hiring. I actually think one of the issues that his hiring brought was that the fan-base was split into "Get rid of him" types and "Give him a chance" types. Created tension in the stands.
You simply don't get it. Hating Rafa had nothing to do with results. @@codiesmith9425
The players should be ashamed of themselves. Players shouldn't choose if a manager gets the sack.
The turning point for me is when Rafa asked newcastle players to cut their goal celebrations especially when goals were hard to come by with him in charge. Just shows that he is from an era behind
Won trophies at Liverpool and broke the Madrid/Barcelona monopoly with Valencia wining la Liga that year. The players that still criticise Benitez are players that were flops at Liverpool
Was Michael Owen a Flop?
@@groovetraxxxgingerbreadman1282 was a flop after Benitez sold him, career when downwards. Madrid and Newcastle worst signing. Man Utd was his saving grace with a few goals in pm Winning side. He never forgive benetiz not resigning him.
This is ridiculous... I would like to see him try that BS with Pep
It is the most professional way to behave. They had a squad of world class players, many of them captains of their nations. Those players set the standards, and when a manager comes in and doesn't help the team reach those standards, the players taking a stand is the correct thing to do. The players had a hunger to win, and if the manager didn't bring that same hunger, he needs to go, nothing wrong with that.
Even at Chelsea, Rafa still won them a Europa League, despite how much he was hated.
John Terry wasn't playing because his knee was so shot that he could barely jump for a header. Bizarre that Terry couldn't see that. As for Pennant, Benitez got the best out of you - quit your moaning, lad.
So this Player said the team was running the show before Rafa and during Rafas managership, sounds like the Current Man Utd Squad, who shipped out 4 Managers and now they are after Ten Hag. Player Power great and what have Mr Terry and Lampard achieved as managers Sod all, just show how good they really are.
Pennant laughing at Odegaard? Really? Martin has more goals for arsenal than Jermaine has for appearances for arsenal…
Love Rafa
Nah Jermaine we all know you was just bang average
Rafa cost us 2 league titles by playing way too defensive against teams that wouldnt leave their own half. He would play 2xdm against stoke/ wba etc. 0-0 draws at home cost us those titles. Was he a successful manager? Yes.But too conservative to win the premier league.
Handled the Robbie Keane situation at Liverpool terribly as well
He was overachieving to even be challenging united for title at that stage so its not fair at all to say he cost the 2 league titles.
Absolute nonsense
I still have mad crush on Rafa Beneitz since LFC days!
An ex player at Notts County told me what a cocky git Pennant was. Seems like he didn’t grow up.
In the name of Gunnar Halle have a day off son.
You forget that Rafa was an interim until the end of the season, so no one forced him out
The media loves Poch! Lose or Lose!
jermaine pennant? who is he? just an ex footballer with an ax to grind, a winger with over 350 appearances , scored 25 league goals. lol. rafa probally could of done a better job on the pitch playing than this non entity
@@Gggg-cq1ihcorrect. He just basically told everyone the exact reason why he was a privileged, overpaid failure, who ended up at Stoke during his prime.
... and yet Jermaine was probably Benitez's worst player. Go figure. Rafa has won trophies galore yet Jermaine didn't win a thing. So who's the fool here? Funny how Chelsea players do this to Rafa yet end up playing their best for him by winning the Europa League.
Let me guess....Benitez didn't pick him much.
Gerrard said the same about Benitez you know, they had a strained relationship because Benitez's man management was icy and negative
Contradicts himself instantly:
“ Didn’t give no explanation.. didn’t say when you’re playing bad “
5 seconds later : “ .. and he came and told me about my faults “
Same thing I was thinking 😂😂😂😂😂😂
English media enjoying bashing one man for years now non stop is disgusting to say the least!
Is this guy aware that what he’s saying is absolutely disgraceful. He should be ashamed of himself but he comes off as being proud of himself.
The story is silly, because of the players "got the manager they wanted", then Rafa wouldn't have been given the job in the first place. As a Chelsea fan, there have been some crazy moments, and that appointment was near the top. What was Roman thinking? Rafa had had his say on Chelsea, and he'd burnt that bridge. As for player power, we were winning things at the time, so yeah, you wanted to keep the players happy.
John Terry was the reason.... Rafa also was an agent of LFC to stick it to them again lol YNWA
did he? lol he failed lol@chelseaforever10
After Winning the champions league in 2005 Rafa brought Robbie Fowler back to Anfield and for that alone I will forever be great full 👏🏼
Jailbird knows best ey
The FANS are the most important! Without them, there would be no teams or clubs
Must have been an awful Man Manager when he got his team to somehow overturn a 3-0 deficit in a UCL final to win on penalties. That doesnt take man management?
Gerrard.
literally was sacked from Real Madrid for rubbing players the wrong way
What is it with you people? Hating Rafa had nothing to do with results. We didn't want him, period. There was nothing he could do to be accepted. He won a trophy with us, and we still don't care. He hated Chelsea, and only came to us for the money. Fair enough, he'd been at Liverpool. But we weren't having him here.
Alonso . It hurt when Alonso left , but Rafa crossed a line in not giving Alonso permission to attend the birth of his child . Rafa did not take leave from LFC when his own father passed , but that disconnect is vast and should not be imposed on others. YNWA
i mean isn't a managers job to win trophies who cares about what his opinions are @@MaterLacrymarum
I don't like that the tail wags the dog but it's what we all thought what was going on anyway
This just proves that players in this generation always want a arm around their shoulder
Wider issue in society unfortunately
Of course players are most important part of a club that’s not controversial. The minimum thing you need for a football club is players
"He was the worst right winger" ie Jermaine Pennant 😂
He certainly wasn't the only one who said that Rafa Benitez was the worst manager he ever had.
He also failed at Inter.
Failed very very Hard.
Well that explains why Pennant never did anything.
You can't expect praise every time you have a good game. The objective should always be to do better.
If a coach is highlighting your weaknesses he is trying to ground you. Amd if you aren't taking that on board or trying to prove them wrong then you dont have the right mentality
Rafa is a legend.end of. Pennant was on Jeremy kyle and JT... ask wayne bridge...they were lucky to have had him as a manager
Benitez is the man that wanted to sell Alonso to get Garath Barry in at Liverpool. That says it all.
When did Pennant play for liverpool?!
Does his wife still go on webcam?
You still watching his wife's Webcam?
Is this not the same muppet who forgot or lost his Porsche? Lifestyle choices, eh...
Left it in an airport car park for months and he'd completely forgotten about it mate. Bloke played in a champions league final under Rafa and then fell off the face of the earth. Not hard to work out who was to blame
John Obi Mikel talking about player power is so ironic because he hardly kicked a ball under any manager at Chelsea 🤣🤣🤣
He was a regular for several seasons tho
Huh? He averaged 25 games per season for 10 seasons……
Spreading misinformation and lie, I see.
All the people defending Benitez and having a go at Pennant when many players have said the same about Benitez including Robbie Keane, Gerrard, just to name a few.
That's still how football works. Players get coaches sacked every season
@chelsea being dysfunctional - wasn’t this the most successful period in their history?
Rafa was a great tactician. Man management is different to coaching tactics. I guess he just let the big characters in the dressing room deal with things.
Gerrard won the 2005 CL, not Rafa.
Pennant played for Benitez, he knows Rafa. His opinion is key
Interesting reflections on Rafa. Rafa was more a manager and not a leader? Different approaches?
Why are these sycophant presenters laughing at the fact that the Chelsea players bullied the manager out of his job! We all knew this but to sit and laugh about it on the air is just sickening. Surprise, surprise JT was behind it all.
Sounds like David Moyes
Can u imagine that Chelsea team v Cloughie?
yeah he'd lose the dressing room and they'd get him sacked just like at Leeds.
So does that mean they got rid of Mourinho the first time too? Because they denied it at the time.
Bang average player as well as a pundit, the most consistent thing Pennant has done in his career.
talkSPORT nitpicking again...😂
Liverpool fans getting defensive in the comments, unsurprising. This is a well documented flaw about Benitez, tons of players he's managed have said it including Gerrard. The common conscious is tactically he's a genius, but his man management is cold & leaves a lot to be desired.
gerrard ran the dressing room thats why he is such a great manager now
Gerrard is not a good manager.
i was taking the piss@@MaterLacrymarum
Rafa is arguably the better then klopp in terms of silverware and players he had available. Liverpool were pretty rubbish around 2002
His man management wasn't great thought the time Robbie Keane was there was handled terribly never understood it that season
Great point I’d probably put Klopp ahead but Rafa done well with a very average set of players
Can we get that in writing please Jermaine
This interviewer is dull and delude. If he's not aware of what footballers do in dressing rooms, what is he doing in football?
He is a good manager not a great manager. His way of playing is not lose, very defensive hence Liverpool used to tie a lot of matches. This is why we could never win a Premiere League under him. We He had a Ferrari of team that was waiting to be unleashed and he drove that team like a smart car. We were too busy turning draws to win losses into draws that we never played on the front foot. He was lucky to have Torres and Stevie to save him time after time. LIverpool fans gave Torres hell for going to Chelsea but have no negative thing to say to him when he gladly accepted the Chelsea job and on top of that the Everton job. Regardless majority of the players who played under him did not like him and have nothing nice to stay about him. In addition since 2013 he has been a failure. Just got fired from Getafe.
Players need to realize they are hired hands! Well paid they should keep their mind on the jop! The Manger is their immediate supervisor!
Rafael good manger at newcastle
Jermaine was signed by Arsenal for a record fee for a I think a 16 year old. Never fulfilled his potential, or certainly the potential that Arsenal believed he had. Was it temperament or not good enough? Don’t know, but Football has many a story like this. Just sad really. Benitez CV stands up against most.
Sounds like JP wanted his hand held 😂😂😂. “He didn’t tell me I played well” grow a pair 😂😂😂
The Boss should be more powerful than the players. That’s problem with modern football 🥅. Players are more powerful than the manager. That should not be the case. Rafa record shows he can’t be that bad as these guys are saying.
You can play without a manager, or fans or even a pitch etc but you can’t play without players so it’s obvious players are the most important
Without fans, it's just a bunch of nobodies playing for nothing.
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It's shameful. I have zero respect for football players. I'm thinking what's going on at Man United right now.
Im sure these Talksport pundits are paid to make a dig or bring up Arsenal in any given interview. What was the point in Pennant making a dig at Martin Odegaard here, I can’t think of someone more far removed from this conversation than he is.
Pennant was average.
So was Benitez he somehow failed with a treble winning Inter team, a champions league winning Chelsea team, a Real Madrid squad featuring Ronaldo and he failed with Napoli despite being given their biggest transfer since Zola and Maradona
And Lampard complained when it happened to him….
so basically if rafa was a better "man manager" pennant would have been prime ronaldinho and not the waste of space he really was.....riiiight.
Not sure Jermaine would make a good manager. The best managers give the least praise. Some people just don't get it.
@user-tn8uu2cu8g think you might be on the wrong page somehow...
Pennant calling anyonw bad at their job is the most halarious thing ive heard. Terrible footballer terrible professional terrible person
a worst manager that has won the champions league and a europa league , jermaine do yourself the biggest favour just be quiet
It was one of the most idiotic decisions Abramovich made. Unfortunately, Hiddink was in the Russian league, so Roman couldn't call him in
It says a lot more about the Chelsea dressing room than Rafa. Terrible attitude they would have one great season and would always have a stinker whenever the manager wasn't flavor of the month the following season
So Terry was running the show, disgusting.
He put it across well there's nothing worse than a moody manager
I used to love singing the Rafa song at Chelsea
Why bring Justin Timberlake into this?
Benitez was excellent tactically but came across as a no nonsense and blunt maybe a glass half empty man very defensive
It’s embarrassing that pennant is on this station.
Pennant..average at best so unarticulate pundit!