The fact that there are so many people who keep saying “wHy DoEs thE GraVE Say WiLlIam” as if for decades people named William aren’t going by Bill or Billy. Be serious please!
I like that the show acknowledges it's okay for Max to have complicated feelings about Billy. He was a bad to her, yes, but Max is an empathic person and he was someone she grew up with.
He wasn’t all too bad. Part of me likes to think we didn’t see the real billy at all, he was hiding under the abuse of his father. And the fact that he took sacrifice for eleven proved there’s something in him because eleven was able to reach to the real billy just few moments before his death.
@@Crimson19977 no he was literally bad the only difference is she actually felt guilty. She was happy cuz you didn't have to do with the pain and I don't blame her. There are a lot of people who get sexually assaulted but that doesn't excuse the fact that they actively chose to sexually assault people knowing that it's wrong
@@brandyjohnson738 we're not talking about sexual assault tho. And you have to understand both sides of the coin, not just max but Billy too,because it was clear he was abused all his life.
@@Crimson19977 I actually think the reason Billy doesn't fight back against his dad(because he clearly has the strength to do it)is because Max's behaviour is what Billy gets abused for. If he fights back, then who is Neil gonna take his anger out on? Max.
Or he realizes how shitty he had been and realizes how fucked up he was (that is my hopeful view on it) but yeah he prob more likely is like good….I wonder if his mom though ever found out about his death and how shit she feels for leaving him when he was kid
Dear Billy, I don’t know if you can even hear this. Two years ago, I would have said ‘That’s ridiculous, impossible. But that was before I found out about alternation dimensions and monsters, so… I’m just going to stop assuming that I know anything. So much has happened since you left. Your dad was a total mess. He and my mom started getting into fights. Bad fights. I don’t think he could stand being here without you. So he left. And he didn’t leave Mom much.
She's taken an extra job and moved into that lovely trailer off curley, basically ever since you left, everything has been total disaster, and the worst part is..
I can’t tell anyone why you’re gone. I can’t tell them that you saved el’s life. That you saved my life. I play that moment back in my head all the time. Sometimes I imagine myself, running to you, pulling you away. I imagine that if i had.. you would still be here. And everything would be, everything would be right again. I imagine that we could’ve become friends.
in march my best friend, sister, auntie, all in one, committed, this scene really frikd me up... it's so difficult to watch stranger things now. i feel like it's hitting too close to home..
@@makenziehackett yeah his dad was a huge part of what made billy what he is, but like I’m saying that if he didn’t die he could’ve redeemed himself somehow someway
@@yes3927 I hate that woman , how could she just leave her only child like that?!?! I know she had to get away from Neil , but she still shouldn't have left Billy and just give up on him 😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤
I just noticed they changed the name on the grave headstone in the S4 Trailer (Thanks to Ridam Vdas for pointing it out!). In the Trailer it says Billy! But in the series, as seen here, it says William!
@@malaysiaedits34789 Yeah, I know that, but thanks anyway 👍 I was more pointing out the fact they changed the name on the gravestone. Just interesting that they made that decision to make an edit in the first place. It costs money
Im pretty sure that if Billy was still alive him and Max would have gotten closer , they already cared about each other deep down but they didnt know how to tell each other , but if he would have lived they would have become really close , its so tragic that the duffer brothers killed him in season 3 , i hated Billy in season 2 but then i felt really bad for him in season 3 and he became one of my favorite characters. I know that he was an asshole but atleast he did something good in the end , he wasnt a nice person but he wasnt bad either , he was a grey character , not an evil one.
I just realized..in strangers things Billy’s real name is William right? And in Harry Potter there is a charecter named William weasley which goes by the name of bill
I hated Billy so much in Season 2 In Season 3, i feel very bad for him now and to this day It’s like the old saying goes, don’t be quick to judge, you never know what that person is going through!
I never really liked Max that much, i found her pretty annoying. But after this scene, i gained a lot of respect for her. I really like how she has such complicated feelings about Billy and her letter almost made me cry. She's a very compassionate person and i honestly wish we got to see her relationship with Billy evolve if he lived.
I doubt Max will die. If they wanted her to die they could have just left her dead this season, I can't imagine them killing her, bringing her back, and then just killing her again.
The fact that there are so many people who keep saying “wHy DoEs thE GraVE Say WiLlIam” as if for decades people named William aren’t going by Bill or Billy. Be serious please!
isn’t william his really name or something
@@shelbygidney6160 William is fullname for Billy.
@@shelbygidney6160 r/whoosh. you missed the whole fucking point of the comment you replied to
I like that the show acknowledges it's okay for Max to have complicated feelings about Billy. He was a bad to her, yes, but Max is an empathic person and he was someone she grew up with.
He wasn’t always bad to her. It was a complex relationship. They did care for each other
Max deserves the biggest hug in this scene
😭😭😭💔💔💔
I love how Max says left instead died , just sounds really respectful to me
the fact that he was abusive towards her and still feels terrible.. too pure.
Too damn pure
He wasn’t all too bad. Part of me likes to think we didn’t see the real billy at all, he was hiding under the abuse of his father. And the fact that he took sacrifice for eleven proved there’s something in him because eleven was able to reach to the real billy just few moments before his death.
@@Crimson19977 no he was literally bad the only difference is she actually felt guilty. She was happy cuz you didn't have to do with the pain and I don't blame her. There are a lot of people who get sexually assaulted but that doesn't excuse the fact that they actively chose to sexually assault people knowing that it's wrong
@@brandyjohnson738 we're not talking about sexual assault tho. And you have to understand both sides of the coin, not just max but Billy too,because it was clear he was abused all his life.
@@Crimson19977 I actually think the reason Billy doesn't fight back against his dad(because he clearly has the strength to do it)is because Max's behaviour is what Billy gets abused for. If he fights back, then who is Neil gonna take his anger out on? Max.
You know I highly doubt Billy's father actually cared when he died. He probably thought, "That worthless excuse of a son can't even survive a fire!"
Oh course that bastard didn't care 🙄😑
Yep, I totally definitely agreed. It more like he can’t pin his problems on Billy anymore and using him as a punching bag.
Or he realizes how shitty he had been and realizes how fucked up he was (that is my hopeful view on it) but yeah he prob more likely is like good….I wonder if his mom though ever found out about his death and how shit she feels for leaving him when he was kid
I almost cried watching this scene- omg
I did cry 😭
I did cry
If it wasn't for Billy's dad then maybe billy would've treated max differently
Yeah, it Neil fault. Why Billy treated Max so badly. Billy let his anger and frustration out on her, instead of letting his anger out his father.
@@jamie_ghost.johnson And his mom's fault , too , for abandoning him 😤
@@makenziehackett it isn't her fault at all💀
@@sun904 Yeah, it is, she left her child with that monster and never came back for him
@@makenziehackett there's a thing called custody lmfao and we don't even know why she didn't take him??? losing custody is 100% a possibility
Dear Billy,
I don’t know if you can even hear this. Two years ago, I would have said ‘That’s ridiculous, impossible. But that was before I found out about alternation dimensions and monsters, so… I’m just going to stop assuming that I know anything.
So much has happened since you left. Your dad was a total mess. He and my mom started getting into fights. Bad fights. I don’t think he could stand being here without you. So he left. And he didn’t leave Mom much.
She's taken an extra job and moved into that lovely trailer off curley, basically ever since you left, everything has been total disaster, and the worst part is..
I can’t tell anyone why you’re gone. I can’t tell them that you saved el’s life. That you saved my life. I play that moment back in my head all the time. Sometimes I imagine myself, running to you, pulling you away. I imagine that if i had.. you would still be here. And everything would be, everything would be right again. I imagine that we could’ve become friends.
I lover max so much. Even though Billy was so bad and abusive towards her, he was still someone that she grew up with and she still cared 😭😭
Billy’s dad is lost without him, more like he can’t pin his problems on Billy anymore.
in march my best friend, sister, auntie, all in one, committed, this scene really frikd me up... it's so difficult to watch stranger things now. i feel like it's hitting too close to home..
All three committed suicide?
@@xmcddddd Maybe she means that her aunt was all those 3 things to her?
I'm so sorry honey💔
i could recognize this music anywhere. eulogy from season 1, but 8-bit
bro i suspect it was really eulogy from season 2 in a different version but i don't think it at all
Sadie Sink in my opinion gave the best performance this season, and that is saying a lot.
If it wasn’t for Billy’s death, he could have been redeemed 😭
More like if it wasn't for his dad
@@makenziehackett yeah his dad was a huge part of what made billy what he is, but like I’m saying that if he didn’t die he could’ve redeemed himself somehow someway
@@yes3927 Or if his stupid mom hadn't left him , too 😤
@@makenziehackett a lot could’ve been different
@@yes3927 I hate that woman , how could she just leave her only child like that?!?! I know she had to get away from Neil , but she still shouldn't have left Billy and just give up on him 😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤
I just noticed they changed the name on the grave headstone in the S4 Trailer (Thanks to Ridam Vdas for pointing it out!). In the Trailer it says Billy! But in the series, as seen here, it says William!
Lol William is both will and billy full name😂
@@malaysiaedits34789 Yeah, I know that, but thanks anyway 👍 I was more pointing out the fact they changed the name on the gravestone. Just interesting that they made that decision to make an edit in the first place. It costs money
Billy is another name for william has nothing to do with will
She just wants her older brother back 😞
0:36 "Your dad was a total mess", No surprise there 😑🙄
And the part when she said that his dad is lost without him, more like he can’t pin his problems on Billy anymore.
Does she ever say that she wants to swap places with him
No, but Vecna exposes her thoughts that are similar to something like that.
Im pretty sure that if Billy was still alive him and Max would have gotten closer , they already cared about each other deep down but they didnt know how to tell each other , but if he would have lived they would have become really close , its so tragic that the duffer brothers killed him in season 3 , i hated Billy in season 2 but then i felt really bad for him in season 3 and he became one of my favorite characters.
I know that he was an asshole but atleast he did something good in the end , he wasnt a nice person but he wasnt bad either , he was a grey character , not an evil one.
I just realized..in strangers things Billy’s real name is William right?
And in Harry Potter there is a charecter named William weasley which goes by the name of bill
Because Bill can be another name for William.
why does it say William on the plaque instead of billy
His name is William nickname Billy
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Ohhh
RIP Billiam
Hey but did you notice... In trailer the name written is Billy . Just check once
Dear lord this is so devastating to watch, please bring Billy (the real one) back so those two can share a big hug!
even before he got flayed he was still abusive, i wish he could become a better person
@@444riki yeah but his father was abusive. i guess the family line is full of abusers lol
@@sincerelyfeltoons4664 it’s an explanation not an excuse
People really ignoring his abusiveness and racism for what?
@@ok.4720 Who cares?
I hated Billy so much in Season 2
In Season 3, i feel very bad for him now and to this day
It’s like the old saying goes, don’t be quick to judge, you never know what that person is going through!
I was trying to screwn record it for an edit then part two popped up and I can't get the rest of it 😭
I never really liked Max that much, i found her pretty annoying. But after this scene, i gained a lot of respect for her. I really like how she has such complicated feelings about Billy and her letter almost made me cry. She's a very compassionate person and i honestly wish we got to see her relationship with Billy evolve if he lived.
Uhh max u r at the wrong grave wait but who is William Hargrove but this scene made me cry
William is Billy’s real first name lol.
So are we not gonna talk about how the grave says William Hargrove
Bill or billy is short for william
It should have said William "Billy" Hargrove. His dad is an ass for not acknowledging that he as Billy wasan individual
I think Max will die in the next Season after then they'll read Max's letter for them.
I’d be sick for days! Since it’s the last season I know they’ll hit us hard with one of the main characters death
I doubt Max will die. If they wanted her to die they could have just left her dead this season, I can't imagine them killing her, bringing her back, and then just killing her again.
Ep?
Season 4, episode 4.
Why is it William not billy
Billy it’s short for William. Guess that’s why it said William, instead of Billy.
bruh, why does billy's grave say WILLIAM hargrove instead of BILLY hargrove\mayfield
In the trailer it said Billy I wish they’d tell us why they changed it
William is a full name of Billy. Look it up.
Wait a minute that’s not billy…
THATS WILLIAM
Wait! Why the heck does it say "William Hargrove"? I am very confused. Who is that? Isn't that Billy's grave?
William is Billy’s real name.
William is Billy's name !!
Billy is a nickname for William
Song?
Letter to Willy (it's a typo)
If you see on the grave its says william hagrove
Elijah
Wait it says William but will is William?
William is also Billy's name , too
William Hargrove?
Billy is a short for William, same as mike for Michael or Max for maxine
william??
billy is short for william
Am I the only one who saw William Hargrove
Y does the rock say William hargrove
It's Billy's real name !
Because his full name is William “Billy” Hargrove, Plus Billy is a short name for William.
It's a grave , show some respect! 😤
@@makenziehackett they are 💀 it was just a question calm tf down
@@sun904Sorry