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Would love to see the US's way of dealing with this issue in the UK:
Call a tow company and have them remove it at the owners expense!
Yep! Also in the US, trespass is an arrestable criminal offense, albeit a relatively minor one. A blatant, obvious and intentional act of trespass like in this video I can guarantee someone's getting arrested and paying a fairly steep fine.
Too right. The US laws on trespass are how things should be. Not the UKs woke laws.
Just hire a skip legally on the road and block it in and then fill the skip. If you haven't got anything to put in the skip just let the rest of the street know that they can fill it for free 🤣 When the driver comes back give him or her the number for the skip company and they can pay to remove it. Job done ✔️
@@danquaylesitsspeltpotatoe8307 yes mate. But I'm in the UK. Doesn't have to be a skip it could be and old car that is road legal and the owner is away on holiday for some time with the keys 🤣
Sounds good, but unfortunately, if you did this you could be charged with blocking your own driveway. Ridiculous, I know but that is the stupidity of the law. I find it crazy that if a person trespasses on your land you can gently guide them off but you cannot remove a car. Yes, the law is an ass.
If I was ever in this situation, I think I would have ordered a couple of bulk bags (1000 kgs) of road stone from my local builders merchant and had them placed infront of the car. And when the culprit/ imbecile returned, I would very politely state that those materials belong to myself, and on private land, and that they have zero right in touching them.
my thoughts exactly
I would at least do the same thing. But nowadays with the camera's and all i would cover the car with a car cover (i won't do any damage) I would chain up the wheels together (it won't do any damage) and then i would order a couple of concrete roadblocks to put in front of the car. And i wil keep it that way for over a year. And i wil newer allow people on to my property. Also i would built a cheap wooden vence so the car is not publicly accessible anymore. That should teach them. The owner would order a big crane and would ask for my permission to crane out his car from my prived domain.
I think he wil newer try something stupid like that again in his life.
You have to be very careful doing something like that because perversely blocking them in can land you in trouble rather than them.
@@schrodingerscat1863 how so? it is his property so he can place WHATEVER and wherever he wants ? :D I would buy a junk car for parts, remove wheels and keep it there nicely :D good luck moving my property
@@robertasviskupaitis9195 Seriously the laws in the UK relating to this are a mess, if you block him in it's obstructing access to the highway even though it's your own land. I know it's messed up but that is just the way it is.
So what about the farmer that flipped a car of his land with a forklift and was found not guilty by the courts....
Found not guilty by a jury, the jury lottery is a gamble not a sure thing.
@@ancientrenegade9243 yes and as such can be used to set a precedent for such cases in the future can it not.
@@paulmcgair5796 not to my knowledge. Judges set precedent not juries.
Not a situation that you can compare as they are fundamentally different. In the case with the farmer the car was parked and blocking access to the highway (and you have to consider the aggression and violence which was alleged). In this incident the home owner's car was parked in the street, and so no obstruction to the highway occurred, and as there was no interaction with the individual parking the vehicle, there was no aggression or violence.
@@ancientrenegade9243 Aaaaand that was why he asked for a jury trial.
I had almost the same problem a few years ago. I have a shared drive with the far (back garden) end forking out to separate garages and gates to respective gardens. One day I came home to find the neighbours son had parked his car right up against my garage door. Consequently blocking access to my garage, back garden and bins. The neighbours and siblings had all shoved off on holiday for a week. I asked the Council for help and they wrote a letter to my neighbour telling him to be a good boy.
Had this happen years ago outside my old house. Dragged the car into the middle of the road and left it there. Police soon arrived and arranged a recovery truck to move it. It never happened again.
The useable parts would have been on Ebay and the rest would have ended up as a steel square before the sun had set. Take the p1$$ with me and expect the consequences. I ha d a person park on my company forecourt and they defiantly refused to move it when I pointed out it was private land and walked off. He must have been quite sad when he returned to where the car should have been. I’d already dealt with it and closed up. Never tolerate a Liberty taker.
For future reference, just have a retractable post fitted at the beginning of the driveway and make sure it's always up when the driveway isn't in use. In fact, use it even if you're parked on your driveway. It will help deter car thieves.
They will just break it.
Call to fuzz:
"Some kids have just vandalised a car that someone has parked in my driveway".
The car now has 4 flat tyre's.
Bang on!!!!
Wouldn't it be a lot easier for "ordinary people", saving court time, legal fees etc.. simply to make trespass a criminal offence? Why is stuff that's obviously perverse never dealt with in a way that's fair to ordinary people, without going through protracted legal steps that will generally go nowhere.
Simply, because it would have an affect on one of our 'minority' communities!!!
If you leave you door open on a nice hot day, anyone can come into your house and make themselves at home. You can’t force them out and they are not breaking the law. I’ve heard. That’s another silly law
@@littlebag123 regards to people on your property you can tell somebody to leave your property and if they refuse to leave of their own volition, you may use reasonable force to remove them from the property. So it would be unreasonable to cause injury, but it would not be unreasonable to take somebody by the arm and march them out to the public pavement. (It would be advisable in this day and age to have somebody record you doing this so you can prove that you only used the level of reasonable force required to eject the trespasser from your property when they refused to leave).
There is this misconception that you cannot place a hand on another person, and you will likely immediately hear cries of "I'm gonna sue you for assault!" If you ever need to do this - which is laughable. Be firm, but fair, and don't do anything with the intent of causing harm or injury.
@@damionlee7658 as a side note you can actually get the police to assist you in throwing them out or try at least .. As regards witnesses your right,you can use anyone but this includes the police .. the weird thing is the police cannot act in there official capacity as officers of the law only as witnesses and if they're assaulted in the process the person who assaults them even though they are in uniform cannot be charged with assaulting a police officer ..
Yes!! I’d absolutely vote for ‘trespass with/by intent’ being a criminal offence e.g. someone knowingly and purposefully trespassing / trespass where common sense suggests it’s private land not public space.
These vehicles are very sought after. What would be the case if the car had been stolen whilst on this land?. What if another party believed this car to belong to homeowner and vandalised it?.What if someone else towed the car away and torched it? Is the homeowner to be held accountable?
I imagine these 'not so legitimate' parking firms at airports do this kind of thing fairly often.
Yeah, I have friends that live near Gatwick, and all of the ones with drives have to have lockable gates/posts to prevent it.
@@Gainn It doesn't surprise me in the slightest.
Usually in muddy fields, and they’re the best of them. The worst are fronts for organised car crime, who have been known to dismantle cars left in their care (in one extreme case they took the whole front end off his Merc)
@@Mikeb1001 I have heard of that kind of thing happening.
These is a "loophole" that seriously needs to be addressed. Obviously, if this was my driveway, I would not do anything which could be construed as criminal damage...and I would have no idea how the vehicle received four slashed tyres and a smashed windscreen.
And your cctv wasn’t working that day 😂 same as most people, that would’ve been an ‘ex’ car
The problem there is a lot of people have CCTV, and may have images of the offenders.
@@santorini8423 that’s what I thought 😂
Just go to the scrap yard and have a junker delivered onto your drive behind the parked car and left there for two months.
Trouble with that is that the owner probably left the car with a parking company in good faith. They are innocent too. It's the " parking " company that needs penalising, not the owner.
I've heard of this happening to same person a few times, and on the last occasion they had a skip delivered right in front of the car.
The parking company were not best pleased when they came to collect it..
Nor was the owner of the car when it wasn't ready for them until two weeks later..
I was unfortunate enough to live within a few hundred yards of Manchester City's ground some years ago, and on match days drivers would often park in the entrance to the alley behind my row of houses. blocking access for my motorbikes. I found that if I reached down the narrow gap between the nearside of the car and the brick wall, I could pull out the tyre valves with a pair of pliers, on both wheels, of course. Yup, it was criminal damage, but no, I didn't give a toss. Nobody ever did it twice. No video cams then of course. Some of the drivers did get a bit upset. Boo hoo.
And they'd have to drive out on their rims because there wasn't enough room to change the tires. Genius. That is true justice 🤣
and no one saw you do it no witnesses, jet wash your drive thats not illegal surprising what crap will land on lt
What is the difference between a parked vehicle and an abandoned vehicle in this case? The home owner doesn't know if it has been stolen and abandoned and the police should surely be made aware? Personally I would be tempted to let the air out of the tires and tell them that "it's happened a lot to me around here, bloody kids eh?". No damage, no proof it was you that did it or that it wasn't like that when they abandoned it. If it's too much of a nuisance for them to abandon the vehicle on your road they will stop.
Excellent, helpful explanation of the assinine laws that run our way of life in the UK. Realistically, anyone who parks on your land should expect that their car will be removed at their expense and any legitimate damage caused in its removal is hard luck,
Given the area around Manchester Airport, I would be very surprised if there weren't some people with questionable legal ethics who could remove it themselves if you know what I mean.
Lol yeh... Woodhouse Park here. 😁
Not surely suggesting that there are thieving little scrotes in Wythenshawe?
It's a fire hazard.
It's blocking an exit route and stopping the emergency services from reaching the rear of the property.
If you have access to a car jack and four vehicle positioning dollies (around £80 for all) you could remove the problem yourself…it’d be a lot quicker than four days and it’d be down to the person that parked it there to prove that it was you that moved it…
A good idea. The only drawback I can see is you could be accused of criminal damage, wether or not you did any damage. I think a wheel clamp would be a better option. Put up signs saying it is private property and no unauthorised parking. The meet and greet companies would take no notice but when the owner got a bill for parking charges he would have to pay and then fight the company to recover his money.
@@THEJR-of5tf but it’s illegal to clamp in the uk, isn’t it?
The car is obstructing/disrupting lawful activities by the owner e.g. moving the bins to the highway, accessing his garden. Does this not then make it aggravated trespass which is a criminal offence?
i towed a car off my drive left it middle of road not my problem now, i know nothing
Buy a tube of crazy foam from a builders merchant and squirt it up the exhaust. The damage caused will in many cases render the car a write off and will take a good mechanic ages to find out why the car won't start.
Get a skip dropped off and block it in as you were doing some renovation work 😉
Have you priced a skip recently?
@@spencereagle1118
You can price the car though…
@@spencereagle1118 yep , worth it for the annoyance it would cause
@@Sthilboy56 lol, I suppose so, I'd be tempted myself. Either that or a set wheel skates.
If it had been my driveway, unfortunately the vehicle would have been sadly vandalised by local youths.
Best thing to do if you live in one of those areas would be to close and lock your gates at the end of the driveway and/or install a lockable post so they can't get up the driveway.
probably the most sensible thing to do, but annoying that you would have to do it.
So if you put up a sign saying"any car parked on this land will be removed / charged X amount of pounds per day" would that then be a contract which that person has agreed to, similar to car parks?
I saw this today. When this happened to me I called the council and they towed it away. The geezer came back angry and I said it’s gone FO and he did. Where I live now I have seen neighbours pick up cars and carry the car out of their parking space. Legends. On the darker side of this I remember a geezer parking in this space across from me. I came back one night and someone had seriously damaged the car. The police came around interviewed the owner of the space and he said nothing to do with him. In the end the illegal parker had to pay to take it away as not drivable without windows and no one was charged. Moral of the story don’t park illegally.
It's not illegal to park in some else's space, though, is it? Did you actually watch the video?
Nobby People can be very territorial about parking spaces to extreme degrees. They see a parking space as part of their property and on the deeds it is so encroaching into a parking space is tantamount to stepping over someone’s threshold uninvited. It is more difficult for this geezer as anything happens to the car and rather than it being one in 150 it’s one in one. Also not so easy to pick up and carry away either. It is trespassing so civil so maybe I should have said moral of the story don’t be a dick 😁
It would be a shame if Catalytic Converter thieves hit it.
@@misfit2022
Parking space is very dear, especially in the 'burbs.
I was negotiating a flat with an estate agent. I asked where my parking spot was. She pointed to a spot with a car in it. "As you don't have a car, I hope you won't mind - there's a very nice lady with two cars and she really needs the spot."
"Do I get a discount on my rent?" I asked.
"No, sorry."
"Then I'll find another place."
@@grimftl I would have done exactly the same. During the last few years I have moved around a lot, stayed with family etc and they know they can use my space when I am not there but I’ll let them know when I am back for any length of time and they will vacate it but this goodwill has been built up over years.
The lack of respect and care for others is huge in this country. I'm a bus driver and I can't tell how many times in a day I can't stop at a bus stop to pick up or drop passengers. The saddest part is that often disable passengers can't get off the bus because is impossible for us to stop near the kerb and use the ramp, forcing me to drive to the next bus stop, which not always is near. All due to a selfish driver, too lazy to park 100 yards further down the road
honey and bird seed tend to make sure they never park on your land again
This happened to me in 2021.
I contacted a company (vehicle recovery company). These uplifted via crane to a flatbed lorry and took vehicle to a yard. I was told they'd informed POLICE who updated PNC as to the location. When the driver returned asked for her car was I played ignorance and told her to call police.
Police told her who to contact as the vehicle was taken away, she had to pay a daily storage charge and removal fee. Cost me nothing for this "service". Happened once before but hasn't ever happened since.
Happened before, same car, same female driver. Never returned. It was a £60K plus vehicle, apparently, the company leased/owned. but I understand the recovery firm charge £125 removal fee and £80 daily secure storage.
How is the homeowner to know that the car has not been "abandoned" on their property. If it was not collected the same day, would that not indicate abandonment?
In order to be reported as abandoned the car must have been left for at least 14 days. That's what I've been told by my council, the last time I wanted to report a van parked on my doorstep as abandoned.
Need a follow up on this one, so many questions in the comments...
The car was removed in the early hours of the morning according to the news article. The owner of the property woke up to find the car had gone.
The laws around this to support the land owners, and especially for this leaving a car on your drive, are ludicrous. I think I’d take this car a very long way from there and neatly place it somewhere safe but not legal…then good luck coming to my house and demanding the vehicle back, I’d simply look at you as though you’re a fucking nut case and call the police on you.
Or ask them for £100 and you’ll tell where to pick it up.
I would pile up some house bricks under the car and then when they drive off it would damage the underside. You can just claim later that the brick were there when the car was parked and not your problem. Hopefully the sum would be ruptured.
Yep I was thinking about using a forklift and placing it in the most inconvenient place and if I could find somewhere high even better and perhaps a chain through the alloy wheels welded onto the steel of a building, yep I’m a saddo but anyone who stops me getting my bins out will pay a price 😇
only problem is most of these carshare camera systems all round, you'd have to torch it to destroy the evidence.
The law encourages that sort of behaviour , whatever needs to be done will cost the landowner ,time ,costs , loss of usage /amenities with no real sanctions on the perpetuator .
Here's an idea. Could you have a company come over and install retractable bollards? Then demand a release fee? It could cover the cost of the bollard installation and they'd be handy to stop it ever happening again.
No because it’s obstruction of traffic, and there was no contract between you and vehicle owner.
@@blankroomsoup666 Would it be obstruction of traffic when not on public roads? There is no public right of way.
@@blankroomsoup666 would there be a contract if you put a sign up saying you were going to clamp cars parked there. Might be worth doing if you live near an airport?
@@reallynotpc It would be an obstruction to the public highway, if you put them on your drive, and prevented the vehicle from leaving the drive to get onto the public highway.
Clamping is now a regulated industry. You need an SIA licence to legally clamp, and also register yourself.
@@DJKav Always good to learn this stuff - thanks.
I remember seeing a video of a car parked in an entrance of a business funnily enough the business was a mechanic / welder so he made four dollies with wheels raised the car. One in each wheel and with assistance of employees removed the car and parked it on double yellows, reported it few days later it was still there so council had it impounded. ££££££££££ 😂😂😂😂
Another shinning ⭐️ video, well done BBB👍🏻
The car prevented access to his rubbish bins, could he claim for the charges levied by the council for an unscheduled return to empty the bin?
So in practice there is basically nothing you can do in this situation, as by the time you get anywhere with respect to suing the person/company the car will be gone.
Would the police be willing to move the car if a disabled person was being blocked from accessing or getting out of their house, for example?
You can vandalise the car ie break window wipers, smash a couple of windows. The police cant prove you did it so they will not come back in the future
@@OrdinaryJoe12 My grandma used to say "Two wrongs don't make a right". I think i would try to avoid that route. It's just disappointing that victims in this sort of instance are so completely powerless.
what happens if you block the car in say with another car that has become your diy project car or 20 tonnes of sand plonked in front to level your garden?
Weirdly, I think that would count as blocking access to the highway.
@@ClarinoI You are probably right. Although I have always suggested that you could argue that if you can't park your car or put that sand there, on your property, you are being denied quiet enjoyment of your property... It would be interesting to see if that worked.
@@initialyze Agreed. It's certainly worth trying.
@@ClarinoI I don't believe so, because you can only block access for a person and the driver is not allowed on your land without your permission legally.
This made me chuckle. My mate used to live 10-15 minutes from Manchester Airport and his neighbours had this issue a lot. Someone would come and plonk their car on the driveways on his street for two weeks, come back and be gone again, only for it to happen a few months later. Also, there was a HUGE field used as a car park which was in more ways than one used to illegally store cars for passengers flying from Manchester Airport, as far as I’m aware, it was operated from and used for car storage without the land owners knowledge or permission, I’d love to know the result of that case but nothing can be found surrounding the case.
Could put up a sign saying 10mins free parking, £100 overstay fee.
Or sign up to a drive sharing website, so you could legitimately claim loss of revenue when you sue for trespass.
There was also a UK case recently where a farmer used an agricultural vehicle to remove a car from his property, with lots of damage to vehicle. He was let off essentially as "an English man's home is his castle"
Not an exact one of this situation, but we did once joke about picking a friend’s Smart car up and moving it out of the way because it was blocking our cars!
Had this happen to me in my flat's designated parking. I decided to park my car to block it, left an angry note taped to the windscreen with A LOT of duct tape that had my number on it so the bell end had to look me in the eyes as I unblocked the car. Needless to say, they got the message.
I read some advice that super glueing the windscreen wipers down was an Idea. In this case the owners would blame the company that illegally parked it if that's the case. Naughty but satisfying.
Joys of knowing a trained, and properly equipped vehicle recovery specialist who can move things without causing damage :) Although here on the farm, there are plenty things that can be used to make it exceedingly difficult but not impossible for someone to take their vehicle
What about the case recently where a farmer got his digger and rolled a car over to move it. Some folk had been parking a car in one of his field's gateway. In court he claimed, "An English man's home is castle", and was cleared.
you know what an absolute dogshit state the UK laws are in where, if i park on council land without permission i can be towed and if they damage my car its my responsibility. but if a council worker or literally anyone parks on my lands then IT IS STILL MY RESPONSIBILITY?!
If someone parks on council land the council arrange to tow it away. If someone parks on your land then you arrange to tow it away. Its the owner of the lands problem whether its you or the council or whoever.
The difference is that the council will have posted signs specifically prohibiting parking. If you do the same on your own property, you have the same rights to tow away any vehicle parked there without your permission.
@@ClarinoI I also believe that if you put up clear and obvious signs indicating that a charge will be levied for parking on your land then you are legally entitled to charge a fee. I'm not sure whether you can legally impound the vehicle (eg with a wheel clamp) until that charge has been paid.
@@MarkJT1000 I believe you can if the sign indicates that this will be a consequence of unauthorised parking.
@@MarkJT1000 I'm not sure about that, we have a sign on our garage door saying "strictly no parking access required at all times" but according to both the council and the police the sign carries no legal weight whatsoever? Had i known that before I wouldn't have paid for the sign.
perhaps a solution is for a notice on your driveway advising that "Unauthorised parking will incur a £500 per day fee, & vehicle parked at owners risk". Then wheel clamp them, & then on a daily basis stick a penalty charge notice of £1000 on the windscreen. Then sue them!
From a policing point of view, no. Unless the vehicle is stolen it is a civil matter. This is typical of the problems faced by those who live near to the airport. Less than ethical companies charge you for parking your car in the street, or sometimes in a field. In one case a man collected his nearly new BMW from an off airport company only to find it drove strangely. He took it to the dealer who stated they believed it had been handbrake turned. Several times. Then he received not one, but two NIPs for speeding in a 30 limit, one of which was over 110 mph. So we buy a £30K car and then choose a cheap company to leave it with. Caveat emptor anybody?
That car was so tightly packed it amazes me how who ever parked it got out.🤔
Not impossible for a slug.
Lol 🤣
Enter and exit through the tail gate
@@superskier2 yes I stopped a slug the other day from nicking my car.
@@veritasaequitas9875 he must have slithered in and slithered out there was no room either side.🤭
its simple, you go and get yourself a 2 ton trolley jack, jack up the braked wheels {normally the rear wheels} with the wheels off the ground you can pull the car off your drive and into the road, you then make sure the car is blocking the road and call the police to report this, tell them you have no idea how the car got there... they will tow it away...
I live in South Africa so it would puzzle me how they got the car past the motorized steel gate, razor wire and electric fence and why the rottweilers didn't eat them.
Why is there a difference whether the car is blocking another vehicle vs. simply blocking access to the garden and bins, and they suffered the inconvenience of missing a bin collection?
The only similar situation I had, I was blocked off in a public car park once, in a free for all with no markings old market square type, I rang 101 non emergency number, I gave them the reg, they were able to look up the keepers details including their mobile phone number, the police gave them a call, and the car moved out of the way in around an hour!
I think that the law needs to be changed. I think that I would also be tempted to lock my new driveway gates
Could anyone living in an area where this is a problem (e.g. near airports) put up signage on their property detailing charges and/or penalties for parking so that anyone parking there knowingly enters into a contract and becomes liable for whatever amounts are stipulated on the signage? If so, how high could such charges / penalties realistically be - is there even a limit? (For example I would suggest £10,000 as this is the maximum amount that can be perused via the small claims track...)
I must admit that sometimes my neighbour tends to park the car across the entrance to my drive. I don’t mind too much considering that I don’t have a car but if a friend is coming to visit so it’s difficult to get past the car, I just knock on the door and ask if they will move.
I must admit it’s handy to know these laws.
Thanks for giving your advice. It's much appreciated. Had this problem many years ago when I got my first home. Interwebs not widely used then, and info was harder to come by without seeking sometimes costly advice. Luckily I was able to resolve it amicably.
thanks for some information i didnt know, i did indeed think it was only parking companies that could request the information...
Excellent information as always, thank you.
Another thought, if you rock the car to set the alarm off would police take it away then?
I wonder if this would be legal. If he parked like that at my house . And then I parked a car behind it . So it was not possible to drive the car away . When he came back for the illegal parked car . I demanded £100 per day parking charge . And refused to remove the car behind, until he payed it !
What he should have done was get some petrol, and pour it on the floor, under the car by the fill cap, then phone the police, and tell them, someone has left a car on his property, and the petrol tank is leaking, and it's a health hazard.
best suggestion so far.
I find it concerning that DVLA could provide details to a third party about the owner of a vehicle. Doesn't this leave the door open to would be car thieves to learn where a vehicle of interest is ordinarily parked?
Hey BBB 🙂
Can you cover derogations from the RTA for motor vehicles such as 'Work Trucks', Ag and engineering machinery etc. For example, people in my rural community use ride-on lawnmowers to cut the verges, crossing the public road;
move light tractors and ATVs with no reg plate on the road from farm to field;
builders drive skid-steer loaders, mini-diggers and dumper trucks between building sites.
My guess is that few people know the law:
When is a machine a motor vehicle?
How old do you have to be to drive a ride-on mower or tractor?
When is motor insurance needed?
How far can machinery be driven along a public road?
Is it ok to drive an empty dumper a mile down a country lane?
Can a ride-on mower tow its trailer on a road from home to paddock?
When do flashing amber beacons have to be used?
There's a lot of material, and you're the one to cover it.
Easiest course of action is to hire a skip to block the vehicle in. Refuse the owner access to your property and insist on payment for the skip and a parking fee before arranging removal of the skip at your convenience. Other semi permanent obstructions could be arranged such as a heavy chain barrier or even a brick wall. Just so long as the offending vehicle is not touched or damaged in any way. While the police cannot give you the owners details, they can confirm if a vehicle has a current keeper or not. If there is no current keeper, then you might arrange a local scrap yard to collect and dispose of it on the reasonable assumption that it has been dumped.
in this instance, what are the rights of the land owner to clamp the vehicle that is trespassing, requesting a fee to release the vehicle?
It is best to tow the offending vehicle to the worst housing estate in your area - for them to disassemble the car and provide them with entertainment.
This must be a recurring problem around Airports.
I would build a brick wall around the property or a koi pond with a land rover island in the middle.
Taking a vehicle on to private land without permission should be a criminal offence! .... I get people parking across my entrance all the time despite 4 no parking signs. Its a hazard if I had to get a fire engine on to site :(
Fire engines can and do barge obstructing vehicles out of their path when on an emergency call out.
@@michaelkaliski7651 not in the Uk …. Or at least I have never heard of it.
Build a small wall behind the vehicle to prevent it being removed and charge a release fee, or park another car behind it even, and just leave it there . Of course this may cause inconvenience but imagine the joy of seeing the horror on the collectors' face, OR third option do nothing and ignore it and pretend the World is full of kind gentle reasonable individuals that use consideration toward you. Good luck with that!
I would dump a ton of manure in front of the vehicle and a ton of manure behind it and tell the rogue parking company that they can have the car back when they have paid for someone to remove said manure from my property.
So as is so often, the police and the council are no help. Instead you have to give up more time and expense and take legal action against the registered keeper/owner. Many of us dont have a lot of spare time, or spare money. I had a 4x4 deliberately boxing me in my drive, so I could not leave the house and guess what no one gave a rats arse, police or the damned council.
A similar incident was reported a few years ago. Someone came home to find a car on his driveway with a neighbour telling him they saw two people get out of the car carrying suitcases and walk off in the direction of the local airport. It turned out to be a genuine mistake as they had paid to park in a driveway nearby where it had been advertised by the owners as an airport parking space. I think it was settled with a sincere apology.
Tape off the outside and any lips of the exhaust and any surrounding bodywork to prevent damage. Then pour wet postcrete into the exhaust, let it set then give it a dust of matt black paint. When they come to collect it, low and behold it won't start, and it will then have to be towed away. It will be days before they work out why it wont start......at which point they will struggle to prove it was you. Other than that invest in a good set of gates and keep them locked when you are not in........simples
I've seen expanding foam squirted up the exhaust. They had to buy a new exhaust.
what about the legalities of blocking the offending vehicle in, using your own vehicle, on your own land?
Not a criminal offence...How could the police be sure that it wasn't stolen??? Did they take the reg and contact the owner/company? I would have blocked it in with my car and demand they pay a retainer to retrieve it!
Parking companies in and around airports have been doing this for years. There's plenty pf documentaries showing parking companies doing this very thing. And also check your mileage on handover and when you pick your car up, in some cases there will be a vast difference from popping it in the nearest Long or Short stay car park, because they have been driving around for ages to find a place to dump your car. All the while your blissfully unaware of where you car has been driven.
That’s a lot of work for a victim. Personally, I’d have sold it for spares lol
Maybe he should have phoned the local council and reported it as fly tipping. If the council, thought that there was the slightest opportunity of a fine there would have removed it within hours no doubt.
easier to move the car with a company onto a double yellow line and let them get fines
if it is blocking access by a fireman contact the local fire safety officer. They have the authority to ensure emergency access. Emergency Workers (obstruction) Act 2006.
This needs reviewing surely, the courts should make this an offence surely?
Interesting topic, thank you BBB.
And how long does all this take. Weeks ? What was wrong with towing unauthorised vehicles from private land. It was more of a deterrent than the shambles we have now, where the land owner has to go to a lot of trouble when it’s not their fault.
This situation reminded me of the UA-cam video about the house owner who refused to pay for some scaffolding he’d had erected for house renovations...
...The scaffolding guys just showed up one day and built a cage around his car...
...he paid up.
Always love your videos, very informative.
In the UK, as the landowner, could you call a tow truck to take it away to their impound and have the fees added to the car’s impound fee to be paid by the vehicle’s owner if they want their car back?
I would just let down a few tyres. Not criminal damage, just a nuisance for them
Actually letting down tyres has previously been ruled by a court to be criminal damage, obviously it would depend on the exact circumstances.
@@simonrook5743 Would the car owner have to 'prove' that the homeowner did it.? Just say 'that's how I found it on my drive'..!
A number of comments say block it in, but I'm not sure it's as simple as that, as the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 says:
"54. A person commits an offence who, without lawful authority-
(a) immobilises a motor vehicle by the attachment to the vehicle, or a part of it, of an immobilising device, or
(b) moves, or restricts the movement of, such a vehicle by any means, intending to prevent or inhibit the removal of the vehicle by a person otherwise entitled to remove it."
It seems perverse that a law aimed at the cowboy clampers appears to assist the cowboy airport parking company, rather than the householder, in this scenario.
Interesting that trespass is not a crime over there. Here, if I find a vehicle on my property without my permission, I have the right to have it towed away. Any damage incidental to towing is on the owner of the car.
Years ago I got back to my parents house at about 2 am and saw a car parked in their drive. It was not my Mother's car but I knew who's it was. My Dad wanted to smash the window and roll it out but I called the police instead. About 15 minutes later the police arrived and woke the owner up and made her move it. Not sure if they would do that now and it's in Scotland so who knows...
Sorry @BlackBeltBarrister a couple of corrections here. The council cannot tow a non-abandoned vehicle for obstruction as they have no powers to do that. Going back to the non-obstruction scenario, The Removal and Disposal of Vehicles (Amendment) (England) Regulations 2012 amend regulation 4 of The Removal and Disposal of Vehicles Regulations 1986 to permit the police to tow a vehicle in exactly these circumstances (trespassing vehicle on private land), so it's really just a question of standing your ground and talking to someone senior enough in the police to know what they're on about until they turn up with their towing contractor and take the car away.
I'd borrow my mates trailer and take it somewhere very far away.
A lot of people mention the Protection of Freedom Act 2012 and argue that you can't block in or move the offending car. Looking at the explanatory notes I'd argue under certain circumstances you can:
"Subsection (1) makes it a criminal offence to immobilise a motor vehicle by attaching to the vehicle, or to a part of the vehicle, an immobilising device (typically a wheel clamp), or to move (for example, by towing away) or to restrict the movement of a vehicle (for example, by using another vehicle to prevent it being driven away). To be guilty of the offence, a person must undertake one of these actions with the intention of preventing or inhibiting a person entitled to move the vehicle concerned from moving the vehicle. Consequently, a person who moved an obstructively parked vehicle a short distance intending to regain access to his or her property would not be committing the offence in circumstances where he or she did not intend to prevent the driver of the vehicle from subsequently retrieving it"
The way I read this nothing stops you parking your car on your driveway in front of the offending car, provided you move your car once they politely ask you. Your intention wasn't to block them in and prevent them leaving, you intention was to legitimately park your car on your driveway. Similarly if the offending car is blocking your access you should be able to move it out of the way to regain access to your property. Of course this doesn't apply in all cases, but if your driveway isn't that big (eg one car wide and 2-3 cars long) and/or the offending car blocks your access I'd argue you'd be fine.
So parking your car on your driveway which then blocks him in and you go on holiday leaving your mobile number for them to contact you and when they call you say yes of course I will unlock my padlocked gate/posts and move my car for you as soon as I get back next week !
By extension, if you get a skip or a tonne of sand delivered "blocking" the vehicle in, your intention isn't to block the vehicle in but to do maintenance on your property. Would this stand up?
@@MAdams853 unless you can prove that your maintenance had been planned before the offending vehicle turned up I doubt it. Also keep in mind you need to be able to release the car pretty much immediately, which you can with your car, but will struggle to do with a tonne of sand. Assuming the maintenance had been pre-booked I believe it gives you a good argument to move the car out of the way though, as long as that doesn't stop the owner to drive it away afterwards.
@@MAdams853 That's the problem, if you had planned work to be done to you house on a particular day and the morning of the day that the bricks etc were due to be delivered say for midday what do you do ? Cancel costing you money and try and get compensation via the courts small claims or say F*ck it they were an ignorant Pr*ck so I will just go ahead and put them in front of his car blocking him in since I never gave him permission to park on my property anyway or what happens if you had arrange the delivery and were not even going to be at home when it was being delivered so its not even your fault. Would it then be the delivery guy that gets prosecuted and maybe you didn't even know that the car was parked on your property as it was put there after you left for work or to go on holiday !
block it in and whowecer comes to,take the car away is committing trespass. you could put a barrier up or dig up,your own drive. the only way they can get it back then is if they damage your property and commit trespass.
From what I have heard it seems as though the only legal response is to fit a lockable gate/post.
The issue for me is punishing what appears to be a rogue parking company without overly punishing the actual owner who may have used them in good faith. I’d certainly want them to get their money back for not receiving the service they paid for.
A possible method of doing that would be to fit the car with a yellow clamp (one or more) and demand a payment into your bank account etc. from the 'parking company'. I think a fee of £100 per day for parking is reasonable, though the release fee (for the clamps) would be on a per clamp basis and possibly start at £100 per clamp, or just £200 for one, if you only have the one clamp too hand of course.
If the parking company get "funny" over it and "send the boys around" then do not, under any circumstances, start to juggle a can (or two) of old brake fluid near the vehicle. That's how accidents happen (all the time)
@@sirmalus5153 Unfortunately it's no longer legal to clamp someone else's vehicle. It used to be legal and it was abused by private car parks who would charge ludicrous sums for removing the clamp. If you have a gate, which can be locked, it's legal to close it, but I don't know whether you have to unlock it and allow the vehicle's owner access to remove it.
@@sirmalus5153 Wheel clamping on private land was banned by the Protection of Freedoms Act (2012).
I'd be inclined to spill paint on it and say it was an accident whllst up a ladder which I am perfectly entitled to do on my own property. Let the parking attendant explain that away.
Many years ago I was followed home by the police and they followed me onto the drive. I put my car into reverse to turn around and rammed the police car which I was perfectly entitled to do, not expecting anyone to follow me onto my drive in the middle of the night..
After a couple of days of being there without permission, it is an abandoned vehicle.
Jack it up and place it on dolliies, then move it to double yellow lines.