Marvin Bagley III analysis: The Future of Old School (2019)
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- Опубліковано 17 бер 2019
- Some of Marvin Bagley III's scoring numbers this year suggest that he is destined for stardom. But there are legitimate questions about his shooting, defense and passing. This detailed film breakdown & scouting report examine the strengths and weaknesses of the Sacramento Kings rookie while incorporating analytics & stats to assess his overall impact while laying out areas he can improve.
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I really like that you are not trying to make an easy point, ever. It's a very complex sport, and nothing is black and white. Happy to be your Patron bro!
Thanks for the support!
Its not that complex. The guy is just a nerd. Nerds try to make everything sound complex lol
We I DID open the door AND turn the doorknob..
While simultaneously proceeding to step forward longingly into my house lol
Everything
@H P I'm a guy n my real name is obv not merideth leavitt
@@meredithleavitt5815 if its so easy and these is simple and you already know and hes just a nerd, why click on the video? Why not just make your own? I promise you dont know basketball like my mans.
died bcuz idk how to make a video...
The most interesting thing about Bagley, and all the kings youth really. Is their ridiculous work ethic. I don't think I've ever seen a group of 5 rookie contract players who have the work ethic that Buddy, Bagley, Fox, Giles, and Bogdanovic have. It's why Buddy and Fox spiked this year and made huge strides, while its why Bagley's gotten comfortable with his current game late in the year and Giles has rapidly gotten back into a game he's spent 2 years away from to recover his legs, while Bogdonovic is just a work horse who never stops playing the game in the off-season. That work ethic will be the equalizer that turns Bagley from a dangerous weapon to an elite talent, he just needs to make his free throws at a higher rate and as long as he's smart enough to fix some of the technical problems in his game, like his passing and footwork, Bagley is scary, especially since a lot of those technical problems are covered up by raw talent alone.
I totally agree. I think in a few years they can be real contenders, even though Bogdanivic and Hield are 26 now, their playstyles don't rely on athleticism, so they could still be pretty good, plus the young core of Fox Bagley and Giles.
Can you imagine Fox, Bagley, and Giles when they’re 25
Too bad willie doesn't work hard, and only works for a paycheck
The Kings have been at the top of my League Pass standings all year. Very exciting team.
Buddy is like 27 yrs old my dude
just imagine how good the kings will be when they’re all developed...
Just imagine them wanting more money after they are all developed
just imagine them being straight because if fox becomes a star you max him, you max or near max buddy next deal, same with bagley, and then for Giles you can sign him to probably around 10-15 a year for his second deal as long as ownership is committed no problem they have all their bird rights and ring chasers will want to come play w them after the demise of GSW, LeBron, Harden, Westbrick in 3-5 years when they are entering their primes@@MichaelKing015
@@MichaelKing015 lol you're not paying for it so who cares? Good basketball players demand a lot of money
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nolang1 thats not what he means. they'll all be asking for max contracts. well at least bagley and fox. hield and cauley stein will want near maxes. they wont be able to get a decent bench at all or even decent wing player because they're way over cap. it'll be a clippers type situation again.
What if instead of player analysis you could also do some team analyses? Just a suggestion
Stick with what he's good at. By its nature individual player analysis gives one a better grasp of each team. As far as players go, I suggest Nurkic from Denver.
Samuel Morse He’s good at everything 😂 he’s talked about some teams on his podcast, especially the Eastern Conference contenders
Samuel Morse Nurkic?
@@mitchellrobingoat8553 I made a mistake meant to say Jokic from Denver. Damn Europeans.
@@samuelmorse784 you mean Jokic? Nurkic is now in Portland
One of the things that encourages me is just how rapidly he’s improved over the season. He has that upside that makes me drool.
You still drooling?
I think that his tunnel vision during transition is due to a lack of confidence in his ball handling ability, making him focus on the ball more instead of open teammates
I agree will hopefully grow out of it once the game slows down more and he realizes he could be a demi-god
Or it could b because hes 6 11 n 19 yrs old already doing Giannis shit...
Of course hes going to go through a process to get there.
I think hell even surpass Giannis as best player in the nba by 2021
@@meredithleavitt5815 by 2021? That's depending on a lot of factors.
1. Gianni's still with no consistent jumper
2. Bags goes through Giannis level improvement in 2 years.
3. The Kings become in of the best teams in the West AND Giannis doesn't have a ring by then.
But it could be possible. Try 2025
@@kxng_jordxn I think the kings will make the finals n lose to the celtics in the 20 21 season.
Bagley is almost guaranteed to make insane leaps from year to year for atleast his first two seasons
What makes me think that?
I've never seen as much in season improvement as bagley has made this year in my life. I cant even imagine ho 2s much better hes going to get with an off season to work on his game
@@meredithleavitt5815 hope so. His potential and his "go get it at all times" mentality are unmatched in this draft class
This is the best basketball channel ever
Derek Huang What about mike korzemba and bball breakdown
Dwyane Rose this channel is much more professional and everytime you finish a video you feel like you actually learned something lmao
I hope sometime you do a Gregg Popovich analysis and what makes him one of the best coaches
Do one on Collin Sexton. The man has been on fire 🔥
2018 might be the greatest draft of this generation. Ayton, Doncic, Bageley, JJJ, Trae Young, Mo Bamba, Collin Sexton, and Michael Porter Jr. all have allstar potential and some have All NBA potential.
I like to see how the kings have great potencial.
Really enjoying the content, keep it up!
Great analysis as always.
Nikola Jokic feature would be awesome, who saw Denver vying with Golden State for a top seed?
non-casuals have had denver on their "future contender" radar for about 3 years now
@@ChillLikeAFreezer Shut your casual ass up. The Nuggets historically are about as relevant as the Sacramento Kings.
Samuel Morse lol the Nuggets might not be like the Celtics or Lakers, but they’re undoubtedly more historically great than the Kings
He is really good! Reminds me of a mixture of all those incredibly skilled PF from the early 2000's, Duncan, Dirk,Pau, KG, Webber... In fact he has more than a little of C-Webb in him.
I’ve sat down and watched all your videos at once. They’re very well analyzed and I enjoy watching them. They also give me tips what to not do for my personal basketball game. Your basketball iq blows me away. Keep it up 👍🏻
This is one of the best bball channels on youtube
Great video yet again! Stoked when I saw you posted a new one! I do think Bagley is going to be an all star even as a sub-par defender. You can teach a player to take quicker steps & stay down. While his vision may not improve a ton, it'll be worth it because, as he gets more and more reps, he's going to be a scoring machine.
Hes a very good defender already actually, have u watched him play or r u still reading college scouting reports
This guy making the video is also w complete moron.
Hes judging bagley based on passing as a 19 yr old of lol
Desperate to make luka look better I'm guessing
Wonderful analysis!
I just discovered you content and I appreciate it very much. Thank you for expressing your basketball thoughts. I'll adopt your ideas and maybe reference your youtube page in talks with friends, depending on if I want to look like a smartass or not!
As a Kings fan, I have loved having him on the team this year. I know a lot of us were pulling for Doncic in the draft, but Bagley brings exactly what we need: a competent rebounder and a threat in the post. We all know about his weaknesses passing, but he has shown some flashes with Giles recently. That frontcourt is going to be something to be reckoned with soon.
As a Luka fan, I'm glad he didn't go to the Kings. He wouldn't fit in, too many ball handlers and they play too fast.
Heard your own coach?? Even he said kings fucked up thinking Doncic has reached his ceiling...
understand Doncic is a great player with superstar potential, but he does not fit the Kings playing style. Also the kings need a big man more than a playmaker or shooter... they have a great playmaker (fox) and shooters of course (Hield, Bogdanovic, Bjelicia) . Though i will admit Doncic is a better all around player at the moment, Bagley is a better fit for the kings right now. Kings share the Ball a LOT! They are currently playing a fun brand of basketball, and while Doncic is great look what happened to Dennis Smith Jr. who was a great point guard last season. Well imagine him doing the same thing to fox.... we needed a rebounder and rim protector more than a shooter and playmaker. In the end I’m glad we have BAGLEY! 4-0 since he has been back!!
@John Bencomo nah, he's a tunnel vision player with low basketball IQ.
@Dick Nutter IV
"we have to be patient with big men. They take longer to adjust to the NBA than a guard"
Big disagree on this one. Jokic took one season with him as a starter and already showed what he had that makes him an elite level player on the offensive end with his court vision and shooting ability. Embiid took half a season to tease that he's one of the most dominant offensive players in the post. Took a whole season and a playoffs to show he can do it on both ends of the floor with elite rim protection as well. KAT before getting injured showed his growing versatility as a scorer, shooting at least 40% from 3-point on a crazy 8.5 attempt clip. NBA bigs already show how dominating their strengths are and further refine it to a consistent level while adding something even more valuable. Otherwise you turn into gimmicks like Jahlil okafor who can only score in the paint but not do anything else. Which is why Bam Adebayo looks like he took the leap this year after the Whiteside trade. He's been developing that game and his handles/court vision add value for his team performance. Simply put if Bagley can't start applying what he did last year as a full year starter and add other stuff, he's nowhere close to the likes of the elites like the guys I have mentioned or even Anthony Davis.
I love how the Sacramento Kings are playing this season.
Today I was checking to see if you uploaded cause it's been a while. Got home to a Brett kollman video and as soon as it finished I got this notification
Mohammed Nana have you checked out his website
@@chancewolff8268 nah not yet
Well hopefully this will b this dudes last video he just made a video about a player he obviously hasn't even seen play esp lately
He would improved all his weakness as he matured.hed recently just turn 20 and I can see a lot of potential in him. He can be an all star in the future.
It's so exciting watching this channel because it's gonna BLOW by next year
Def isnt
Ppl are sick of nerds that never played b balk in thier lives trying to break down players
They dont know shit 99 Oct of the time they arecwrong
Him and Jaren Jackson are two of my favorite rookies since their ceilings are so damn high. Yes, Luka, DeAndre and Tre are great but Bagley and Jackson are unique and are gonna showcase a lot/more the next few years to come
Lmao this didn't age well
@@chelmg9537 come back in 5 years and we shall see
@@lost5587 luka is a 2 time all nba first team
zup dawg?
The Kings might be the next consistent number 1 in the west in the next few years, as a Lakers fan, this is awesome and scary.
lmao I lost it when you said ""scateboard close out" , anyway good job on the analysis
Great vid
Wow! a Thinking Basketball(best bb analyst) and Brett Kollmann(best football analyst) video on the same day. Must be my birthday!!
bagley is already 100x better than WCS so tbh i'm happy we drafted him
Seems hes not happy though.
didn't age well lmfao
awesome channel.
Man, Ive just discorvered this channel but its awesome analysis. Making me want my NBA TV subscription again lol
For me the main thing is that once he gains 10-15 pounds and gets some 'grown man strength' he'll be great size for a smallball 5 and his relative skill deficiencies will be even less of an issue. Consider how much someone like Montrezl Harrell has improved since coming into the league, and Harrell came in at 22 rather than 19.
What skill definciencies?
I'd love to see a video on Shai Gilgeous-Alexander. Guy had a great season and doesn't get enough love imo. Would be awesome to see your thoughts on him
great video. any chance you can do the same thing for Harry Giles?
Can you imagine when Bagley, Fox, and Giles will be 25?
So much fun to watch and I’m a Celtics fan who wants them to lose lmao
do one on harry giles
It didn't aged well😂
I wouldn't really call it a horrible take, he did have a very wide range of outcomes and it just so happens that the worst possible one happened
Good observation. So hes basically a long and athletic JRandle
this chanel will be big one day
Doubt it
This a good one topic alone
Anyone notice that the first rookie team had 2 Guards, 2 Fowards and a center and thought that these guys might be an all NBA first team
@ThinkingBasketball subbed. Love your content. Here's a hypothetical for ya, if you were the Kings GM, with almost the whole season as data, would you have picked Doncic over Bagley or do you think Bagley's play style and Kings glaring weakness in rebounding would still push you toward picking Bagley?
Kings front office incompetence is what led them to take Bagley over Luka
Dude you're good
Great work, keep it up, I would love if you would do a breakdown of a Deandre Ayton
How much does it cost for ur service?
U know the ones that u can buy subs and upvotes and q special deluxe package where will even leave comments!!!
Bcuz I'm starting my own yet channel n I'd like to buy some subscribers too
Once he physically develops his abilities will be magnified. I see an all star personally
his biggest problems arent physical id say. which might be better for him. you can correct tunnel vision but u can teach height
Gavin Silva can’t teach what Luka or Trae are doing either
Nope
Future star
holy crap, the analysis is amazing... NBA teams really should look to hire you as a consultant for development!
Meredith Leavitt why are you so mad? Are you not mature enough to respect someone’s opinion?
@@tak3aw4y6 I just hate that most of the basketball content on UA-cam is put out by ppl that have never played. And u can yell.
This dude is criticizing a 19 just turned 20 yr old last week power forward passing?
Like wtf dude?
If u knew ANYTHI G about basketball, you would know that literally LIIIITTTTEEERRRAAALLLY
EVERY SINGLE ROOKIE BIG EVER.. EEEEEEVVVEEEER
sucked at passing.
Harry fucki g Giles is actually the best passing rookie big I've ever seen.
So it's just stupid to criticize or even cover bagleys fucking passing definciencies.
Same exact thing with the defense.
Bagley, like every other big ever to come into the nba not named bill Russell takes a little time to get up to speed and be able to rotate like they need to.
But again, every rookie big goes thru it.
A real analyst is looking to see if bagley shows the flashes of a guy who is going g to learn and get the rotations down, which obviously is, and judge on that.
Not his literall production as a 19 year old
I'm a pro scout and I'm telling u this guy doesnt know sshhhit as to how to evaluate players
Plain n simp
@@meredithleavitt5815 k
@@hmp01 u dumb fuk, again hes 19 in 99 pct of the videos...
Why are we talking about how good he is instead how good he is going to be?
Also.. empty stats? Lol
Look. At the kings record w n w out bagley n then tell me he puts up empty stats lol
U know who puts up empty stats...
Luka Doncic aka Devin Booker lite
I think it would be cool to do an analysis about caris levert pre and post injury
What’s the music in the background? I love it
Pls do John Collins next! Keep it going 🔥🔥
I love these videos. Can you please do a video on a magic player like Terrence Ross, Aaron Gordon, it any other magic player
Do a vid on Harry Giles
He will be a Allstar in 2020
Great vid cold you do shai and the clippers next pls
Would you do a video on John Collins? He may be the most underrated player in the NBA right now. Averaging 20 and 10, on fantastic efficiency, as well as solid defense. I feel like everyone always thinks of guys like Markannen and Porzingis when they talk about young 4's, but John Collins is not only a great potential, but a great player right now.
I agree he’s definitely underrated, and he is already a great player offensively, but saying his defense is solid is a bit of a stretch.
I'd say he's better defensively than Markannen, for example, and with his athleticism, he has potential to be a great defender.
Coming from a die hard kings fan, a majority of this is pretty spot on, but I feel like you have a tendency to be pessimistic when it comes to giving player the benefit of the doubt when it comes to learning to correct their mistakes. I mean, they are in the NBA for a reason.
Bagley will be better than Luka. Every part of Bagley’s game is still developing. If Bagley’s game doesn’t develop at all he is still a 20 and 10 guy easily.
lol
lmao
Do you plan on doing a video on Brandon Ingram soon? He was playing great right before he got DVT, but thankfully he'll be ready and healthy for next season since his surgery was successful. Thanks for doing a good job analyzing basketball players 💯💯💯
Dude go back to ur real acct n stop using an alt lol
Ur the same dude that is Brandon ingram w his pic for ur profile
First of all ingram sucks, and as a celtics fan I'm soooooo glad to have gotten a Wway better player in Jaylen brown w thex3rdxpick while the bitchass lakers took her another BUST at 2...
@@meredithleavitt5815 I just saw this comment, but what in the hell are you talking about? This is my main account, why would that random account you mentioned be my alternate account? There's literally other comments asking for a Brandon Ingram video, why would you point me out specifically lol
Nobody said anything about Jaylen Brown. Brandon Ingram was playing better than Jaylen Brown, before Brandon Ingram unfortunately got DVT, but I feel like you're trolling at this point by spewing some random nonsense. Brandon Ingram is also about 1 year younger than Jaylen Brown as well. Anyways, why in the hell would I be using a random alternate account you mentioned with Brandon Ingram as my profile picture? Some of you people are crazy with your thinking lmao 😂😂😂
Also, you can't call somebody a "bust" this early in their career. You guys called D'Angelo Russell a "bust" when he was with the Los Angeles Lakers, and look at D'Angelo Russell now with the Brooklyn Nets. Some players need time to grow. It took 5 seasons for Victor Oladipo, the #2 overall pick in the 2013 NBA draft, to develop into a star for the Indiana Pacers. Before that, some people called Victor Oladipo a "bust", so stop with that "bust" talk lol
@@sam_droid24k Jaylen brown is without question better than I gram...
If I said sum bout ur acct n was wrong I apologize
But u saying g ingram is better than Jaylen is laughable
PLZZZ do deandre ayton!! He’s so underrated as a number one pick!
Can you do one for Daniel House jr?. The new addition to the rockets.
Give him to Greg Popovic he's all nba first team in 3 to 5 yrs.
Do deandre ayton next hes probaly one of the most underrated number 1 pick ever cause of luka and young he isn't underachieving but he isn't overachieving its probaly cause he bearly gets any shots i think hes averaging 12 shots per game and he doesn't have a good point gaurd as well
is mitchell robinson on the list of to do players?
I have so much faith in him for some reason. I think his career highs can be 26ppg and 14rpg. I also really believe that he can become a pretty good 3pt shooter. Maybe 40% on few attempts.
loooool
This aint 2k
The kings are going to run the league with their young core in 3 years
*Cough*mavericks
The mavs are going to b a fuking dumpster fire they dont have any draft picks like 3 outvofc th he next 4 years lol
@@meredithleavitt5815 If 6th speed in the playoffs currently is a dumpster fire, how many real deal talents does Divac has to miss until he finally builds a team who can make the playoffs in the West? Fuck the Grizzlies are holding onto the 8th spot! How good are Fox/Hield exactly when they can't even win 35 games?
No they won't lmao. The Mavs, Pelicans, Grizzlies, and Celtics all have better young cores
@@meredithleavitt5815 say that again bitch lmao
Bro what music do you use in the background?
music worth getting high to
please do a video about mitchell robinson!
Gotta do a Mitchell Robinson analysis 🧐
You didn't answer the most important question: would you draft him over Luka?
Wish he was a SF. Im looking forward to MPJ's nba debut
What I like on him is we have the same first name.
So clear he wants to mimic Kevin Durants playstyle and he does a good job at it but still needs alot of improvement
did this guy really say he doesnt see bagley making the all star team? dude must be on some strong shit.
are you still saying that now? Ben was higher on Bagley than majority of draft analysts.
all star what?
Do a Draymond Green one
try to make an analysis on Sexton or D'lo russell
DO ONE ON DLO!
You should done some vids on college players
Could you do Wendell Carter Jr.?
Didn’t even know he made music
Another kings rookie, Harry Giles, good player to analyze.
Any analysis on Deandre Ayton?
Can u do Mitchell Robinson?
You can’t see him making an all star? Are we watching the same Marvin Bagley III ?
He said he can see him not making an all star game. Not that he won't, just that he sees it as a possibility.
"He can see the outcome in which he doesn't", is different from "he can't see the outcome in which he does"
Dathan Busby yeah I understood what he said. That’s what I’m saying lmao. After watching him all season, I don’t see how you cannot see him not making an all star lol. Like I watched all of Giannis rookie and sophomore years and knew he was going to be the future. I see the same thing with MB3
Nice thumbnail
I hope he spends the whole summer working on his right hand if he can learn to finish with his off hand the sky is the limit
Do devin booker
2 years later and it looks like the bust label is starting to come true
Do miles bridges
Where is the brandon Ingram analysis at?
Bagleys footwork reminds me of demar
do one for lauri markkanen
well this did not age well.
the video isnt really that positive on him tbf
Do KAT next
3:58 that list is missing DeAndre Ayton...
Please do Kyle kuz
Man, Hakeem would be proud of those Skyhooks.
Do Collin Sexton next
Could have gotten Luka