Rosanna Carteri was a perfect example of how to sing PURE gorgeous vowels and a really well trained voice in the art of developing the right balance between the head and the chest register muscles. Like all the well trained singers of that period, she mastered an open throat (low larynx/open pharynx) for a ringing tone and a crystal clear diction, which leads to absolute freedom of expression. The second version shows how almost everybody sings today: their throats are closed, singers believe in “placement” (which makes impossible to create the sound from within while training the larynx) and that’s why their voices are pushed, out of tune, artificially darkened, supported on the throat or on the nose (sometimes even both at the same time) with a distorted and ugly vowel production and tiny, since they lack flare, command or resonance. No need to say that “surviving” an aria, leaves very little room for natural, honest acting. In the past, singers had squillo from top to bottom and their sound had both height and depth. They had VOICES. Today, singers have microphones to amplify their uneven and tiny voices. As always, thanks for a fantastic content, AfroPoli. :)
Great music has three purposes: 1) to make us feel exalted, 2) to mend our hearts, and 3) to break our hearts. When Rosanna Carteri hits that high C, it does all three.
The version with R. Carteri is outstanding!!!!!! The orchestra, the tenor, her charming voice! It has brought tears to my eyes. Such a wonderful scene!!! The second version....I´d rather not comment on it...
Rosanna Carteri - What a Beauty!! And with her lovely, strong voice. Could this aria have sounded even better, standing? She reminds me so much of Roberta Peters. Be still my heart! I've just fallen in love, Again.
there is something very commanding about this performance with Magda taking over the piano and singing with such control and ease. I think it is the best of the versions on Utube
First version is superb. Glorious singing and heartfelt acting, not to mention the beautiful, portamento rich orchestral playing. The entire video of this opera is wonderfully sincere and moving.
Quando si sentono gli armonici della voce tutti fuori....è da lì che viene l'emozione....sentire come sprizzano quelli della Carteri!....sembra una cascata d'argento...magnifico anche il tenore Sinimberghi e il sontuoso suo mazzo di fiori, da confrontare con la rosa gettata per terra del secondo video....
Hats off to Carteri. Absolutely amazing with such an exuberant voice exuding from both technicality and emotion alike. The second , in my book, must simply be ignored to say the least.
che gioia mi dà l'ascolto del brano "Ch'il bel sogno di Doretta" che è eseguito in questo magnifico post che parecchio tempo fa ho proposto in FB e che oggi ripropongo... per la gioia dei miei amici .... in esso vi sono una preziosa Carteri e un signorile Sinimberghi e... poi .... ancora...F. Cedolins e E. Giannino.
Once again and again and again etc, in order not to have ones intelligence insulted by what is defined progress in Cultural circles ,we have to go back almost half a century to listen what BEL CANTO and professionalism on the stage was all about ,mediocrity than ,is almost equivalent to today " labeled " Best . Thank you Afro Poli ,for posting this rarities Happy listening to all admires of Carteri and Sinimberghi Grazie Gino
I´ve been a fan of Rosanna ever since I heard her rendition of SELVA OPACA in Cetra´s recording of William Tell.Her Violetta, Mimi, the above and every thing else that she ever recorded make her sort of a GODDESS as to feeling and sheer voice projection, I definitely she was the best...JRT
Premetto che per me la signora Moffo ha fatto discograficamente il suo capolavoro nella Rondine dove (sempre per me )rimane inavvicinabile ... Detto questo accostare la Grande Carteri con una qualsiasi cantante di oggi é praticamente un oltraggio! Le due versioni sono vocalmente e interpretativamente inavvicinabili! un abisso le separa ...... Storico ed artistico ......
La qualità dell'audio è ben diversa,cpmunque la bellezza della voce della Carteri si manifesta nella linea,nel recitar cantando signorile e fascinoso.Il paragone con la Cedolins ,calante,incerta,tremula è sconcertante.
I asked this of a conductor who is quite well esteemed although not super famous. He said the directors nowadays don't trust the audience to just listen to the music and follow the music, they insult the intelligence of the audience.
Mais ou sont les neiges d'antan !!!.Che bella voce , che bella donna senza ritocchi, Grandissima Rosanna, i filati la linea ,dove sono ormai i cantanti, oggi e sufficiente farsi ritocchi facciali o corporali, e cosi, si canta?.
I would gladly place long stem roses at the feet of the lovely Rosanna Carteri, an artist of the very first order. Such beauty, both physically and vocally and such wonderful musical intelligence. In the second video, is that Martha Raye struggling with the music?
Interessante il confronto tra le due scenografie... evidentemente gli specchi dei gusti delle rispettive epoche..., per quanto riguardo il paragone prettamente canoro... beh, secondo il mio gusto, l'interpetazione più recente appare come un'involuzione di performance; inconfondibile per la sua classe, oltre ad essergli affettivamente legato... apprezzo molto il timbro di voce soave del tenore Gino Sinimberghi, impressionante la potenza vocale del soprano Carteri... Interesting the comparison between the two sets... evidently mirrors of the tastes of their respective times..., about purely singing... well, according to my taste, the most recent done interpretation appears as an involution of performances; unmistakable for his class, in addition of the emotional bond... I really appreciate the sweet timbre of the tenor Gino Sinimberghi, impressive the vocal power of soprano Carteri...
Che bellissima ! This is one of my absolute favorite arias.And in my opinion,Carteri was an excellent and underated soprano.But she is almost unknown here in the US. Che peccato ! AfroPoli,can you tell me if Carteri had a brief or lengthy career in Italy? Grazie mille mio amico for sharing this wonderful piece with us.
Molto bello questo antico video del 1958 con Carteri-Sinimberghi, non ne sapevo della esistenza.- Per gli ammiratori della Carteri informo che è uscito recentemente un libro sulla sua carriera: ROSANNA CARTERI, il fascino di una voce, di Paolo Padoan - pagine 236 - Marsilio Editore - con allegato un CD, completo di tante belle foto.--
Gino Sinimberghi is superb and compliments the wonderful Carteri beautifully. It's a pity that most versions of this wonderful aria only show the female part. The second version is totally overshadowed by Gino and Rosanna.
cosa si scopre smanettando su youtube grande Sinimberghi e fantastica la Carteri La Rondine - Ch'il bel sogno di Doretta - Carteri, Sinimberghi, Cedolins 1958-2008
Vocalmente un bel confronto, ma in quanto a classe , eleganza, bellezza e emozione trasmessa la Carteri è grande! Lasciamo perdere la messa in scena attuale!
Commovente la Carteri, voce timbratissima e fiera. Che dire invece di quegli smandruppati erotomani ubriaconi?...la sottil carezza alla bottiglia di whisky...:-)
what difference, l cannot understand why some singers are gaining so much notoriety. Belle la donna ad anche la voce , Rosanna ,grande anche come artista. Tante grazie. How poor la Fenice,
Joana Banyeres. You mean like Jorge de León who sings everywhere with NO SOUND IN THE FIRST OCTAVE and so out of tune that it hurts, with the musicality of a dog and pushing his squeezed high notes to unsuspected limits, right? He will be remembered for developing the biggest wobble in the shortest period of time.
Truth be told, Cedolins is not the worse among the "modern" singing. There are male and female sounds which can be hardly identified as opera nowadays. And if you dare to probe Wagnerian productions... well, it's simply scary. Frightening.
I don't think the more recent performance is not valuable- it shows a "critical" way of approaching a story...with a hint of irony- not that bad- Carteri is totally wonderful, nevertheless Cedolins sketches a different charcter, the one of a "demi monde" woman, with no true sensitivity..just graces...interesting! she sings properly., but Carteri is on an other planet..she is heavenly
The modern version is heartless. The orchestra the singers are so generic, cold and indifferent.what is soprano doing? Taking a shower? Touching herself? So awful and cliche stage direction.
Woof woof woof woofy and zero core. 2nd group awful but unfortunately there is no way to put this side by side for an audience. It's different but if it isn't pointed out and examples given then no one can tell or the untrained ear cannot
io mi riferisco solo alla carteri non é stata ditrutta non so dove trovi certe scemenze il ritiro é stata una scelta di vita era all 'apice della carriera richiesta da tutti i grandi teatri ancora. una volta informati
guarda che non é affatto vero la voce era intatta anzi migliorata basta documentarsi sui critici di allora il ritiro è dovuto alla gravidanza e al timore di un secondo aborto
Puccini was the death of bel canto singing. Whole notes, nothing but whole notes. A dog could sing this.
Peter Anastos In that case please go ahead and try.
@@AfroPoli waste of time. Movie music. Verdi reigns supreme.
@@AfroPoli But my dog sings "Ricondita Armonia" beautifully. Cat sings "Vissi d'arte" better than Caballe. They're outside, so I don't suffer.
@@Sutherland2 Surely your pets are more intelligent than you.
@@davidtornabene516 They can sing Puccini, it's so simple-minded. They can bark "Nessun dorma" anytime. Anyone could sing that junk.
Rosanna Carteri was a perfect example of how to sing PURE gorgeous vowels and a really well trained voice in the art of developing the right balance between the head and the chest register muscles. Like all the well trained singers of that period, she mastered an open throat (low larynx/open pharynx) for a ringing tone and a crystal clear diction, which leads to absolute freedom of expression.
The second version shows how almost everybody sings today: their throats are closed, singers believe in “placement” (which makes impossible to create the sound from within while training the larynx) and that’s why their voices are pushed, out of tune, artificially darkened, supported on the throat or on the nose (sometimes even both at the same time) with a distorted and ugly vowel production and tiny, since they lack flare, command or resonance. No need to say that “surviving” an aria, leaves very little room for natural, honest acting.
In the past, singers had squillo from top to bottom and their sound had both height and depth. They had VOICES.
Today, singers have microphones to amplify their uneven and tiny voices.
As always, thanks for a fantastic content, AfroPoli. :)
Wonderful performance by Carteri and Sinimberghi. Beautifully sung, nicely acted, as well---such a pleasure and a treasure!
Carteri and Sinimberghi were execellent. They took it to another level
Great music has three purposes: 1) to make us feel exalted, 2) to mend our hearts, and 3) to break our hearts. When Rosanna Carteri hits that high C, it does all three.
The version with R. Carteri is outstanding!!!!!! The orchestra, the tenor, her charming voice! It has brought tears to my eyes. Such a wonderful scene!!!
The second version....I´d rather not comment on it...
I enjoyed both
Rosanna Carteri - What a Beauty!!
And with her lovely, strong voice.
Could this aria have sounded even better, standing?
She reminds me so much of Roberta Peters. Be still my heart!
I've just fallen in love, Again.
there is something very commanding about this performance with Magda taking over the piano and singing with such control and ease. I think it is the best of the versions on Utube
bravissimo Sinimberghi,grande la Carteri
STUPENDA CARTERI!!!
Lorena Galeazzi
La Carteri è stata un grandissimo soprano ed una grandissima artista. Sinimberghi eccellente....
c'è un abisso tra le due versioni!!!!!!!!!
..meravigliosi (nel '58) e che attore Sinimberghi..Prunier è un ruolo da vero co-protagonista..altro che
I can barely see through my tears. Stupendous!!!! (naturally I am referring to the Carteri version; the second...meh.)
First version is superb. Glorious singing and heartfelt acting, not to mention the beautiful, portamento rich orchestral playing. The entire video of this opera is wonderfully sincere and moving.
Che differenza!!!...
Cantanti contro cantori!
Quando si sentono gli armonici della voce tutti fuori....è da lì che viene l'emozione....sentire come sprizzano quelli della Carteri!....sembra una cascata d'argento...magnifico anche il tenore Sinimberghi e il sontuoso suo mazzo di fiori, da confrontare con la rosa gettata per terra del secondo video....
Belissima e bravissima la Carteri, che classe! e che eleganza! tutto il dvd è molto bello. Grazie per averlo postato.
Linea di canto strepitosa.bella,bella,b3llissima
Always had a soft spot for Carteri and her singing of this aria confirms it.
Great singing from Carteri and Sinimberghi.
Thank you ''AfroPoli'' for sharing this moment of pure magic, of art at its highest !
Hats off to Carteri. Absolutely amazing with such an exuberant voice exuding from both technicality and emotion alike. The second , in my book, must simply be ignored to say the least.
....come si puo' innamorarsi a distanza di 65 anni ??!!!!??
Rosanna... perfetta !
che gioia mi dà l'ascolto del brano "Ch'il bel sogno di Doretta" che è eseguito in questo magnifico post che parecchio tempo fa ho proposto in FB e che oggi ripropongo... per la gioia dei miei amici .... in esso vi sono una preziosa Carteri e un signorile Sinimberghi e... poi .... ancora...F. Cedolins e E. Giannino.
La Carteri di un altro livello rispetto alla Cedolins, peccato che la Rosanna si sia ritirata cosi' presto, una numero uno.
Abisso e' troppo vicino ,Terra e infinito mi sembra la distanza giusta ,Buon ascolto Gino
Non ci sono paragoni sotto ogni punto di vista......grande Carteri e bravissimo Sinimberghi!!!!!
Once again and again and again etc, in order not to have ones intelligence insulted by what is defined progress in Cultural circles ,we have to go back almost half a century to listen what BEL CANTO and professionalism on the stage was all about ,mediocrity than ,is almost equivalent to today " labeled " Best . Thank you Afro Poli ,for posting this rarities Happy listening to all admires of Carteri and Sinimberghi Grazie Gino
I´ve been a fan of Rosanna ever since I heard her rendition of SELVA OPACA in Cetra´s recording of William Tell.Her Violetta, Mimi, the above and every thing else that she ever recorded make her sort of a GODDESS as to feeling and sheer voice projection, I definitely she was the best...JRT
Premetto che per me la signora Moffo ha fatto discograficamente il suo capolavoro nella Rondine dove (sempre per me )rimane inavvicinabile ... Detto questo accostare la Grande Carteri con una qualsiasi cantante di oggi é praticamente un oltraggio! Le due versioni sono vocalmente e interpretativamente inavvicinabili! un abisso le separa ...... Storico ed artistico ......
My favourite lyric soprano Rosana carteri. This is how you sing puccini
La qualità dell'audio è ben diversa,cpmunque la bellezza della voce della Carteri si manifesta nella linea,nel recitar cantando signorile e fascinoso.Il paragone con la Cedolins ,calante,incerta,tremula è sconcertante.
Bravissima ! And she does it playing piano and sitting down. R. Carteri is so great.
Rosanna la tua voce suscita in me una commozione vera e profonda.Che artista equanto eri bella! Grandissima.Lafca88.
No comparison: Team "A" for the win...
Mindboggingly amazing - first 4,44 minutes...
Why do modern versions always seem to SCORN opera? Do contemporary stage directors feel opera is a ridiculous thing to be mocked?
Yes indeed. The second version is dreadful especially after the magical Carteri and Sinimberghi!
I asked this of a conductor who is quite well esteemed although not super famous. He said the directors nowadays don't trust the audience to just listen to the music and follow the music, they insult the intelligence of the audience.
Cedolins incommentabile. Il do è un grido.
Words fail me, what true beauty.
Mais ou sont les neiges d'antan !!!.Che bella voce , che bella donna senza ritocchi, Grandissima Rosanna, i filati la linea ,dove sono ormai i cantanti, oggi e sufficiente farsi ritocchi facciali o corporali, e cosi, si canta?.
Joana Banyeres
così mi piaci !
brava !
I would gladly place long stem roses at the feet of the lovely Rosanna Carteri, an artist of the very first order. Such beauty, both physically and vocally and such wonderful musical intelligence. In the second video, is that Martha Raye struggling with the music?
Thanks.
Grande Sinimberghi anche come attore. Carteri immensa.
Interessante il confronto tra le due scenografie... evidentemente gli specchi dei gusti delle rispettive epoche..., per quanto riguardo il paragone prettamente canoro... beh, secondo il mio gusto, l'interpetazione più recente appare come un'involuzione di performance; inconfondibile per la sua classe, oltre ad essergli affettivamente legato... apprezzo molto il timbro di voce soave del tenore Gino Sinimberghi, impressionante la potenza vocale del soprano Carteri...
Interesting the comparison between the two sets... evidently mirrors of the tastes of their respective times..., about purely singing... well, according to my taste, the most recent done interpretation appears as an involution of performances; unmistakable for his class, in addition of the emotional bond... I really appreciate the sweet timbre of the tenor Gino Sinimberghi, impressive the vocal power of soprano Carteri...
Che bellissima ! This is one of my absolute favorite arias.And in my opinion,Carteri was an excellent and underated soprano.But she is almost unknown here in the US. Che peccato ! AfroPoli,can you tell me if Carteri had a brief or lengthy career in Italy? Grazie mille mio amico for sharing this wonderful piece with us.
che meraviglia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Splendida poesia
Bravo! Bello!
Molto bello questo antico video del 1958 con Carteri-Sinimberghi, non ne sapevo della esistenza.- Per gli ammiratori della Carteri informo che è uscito recentemente un libro sulla sua carriera: ROSANNA CARTERI, il fascino di una voce, di Paolo Padoan - pagine 236 - Marsilio Editore - con allegato un CD, completo di tante belle foto.--
Yes Gionnino is rather nasal with no bottom. Carteri clip rocks. Simberghi is resonant, gorgeous
Gino Sinimberghi is superb and compliments the wonderful Carteri beautifully. It's a pity that most versions of this wonderful aria only show the female part. The second version is totally overshadowed by Gino and Rosanna.
cosa si scopre smanettando su youtube
grande Sinimberghi e fantastica la Carteri
La Rondine - Ch'il bel sogno di Doretta - Carteri, Sinimberghi, Cedolins 1958-2008
Simplemente maravilloso..!!
The blueprint for lyric soprano.
La versión de esta aria en la voz de Rosanna Carteri raya en la perfección
I am in love with Rosanna!
Melodie eterne ma fino a quando con la gioventu' di oggi?
Grazie mille
Vocalmente un bel confronto, ma in quanto a classe , eleganza, bellezza e emozione trasmessa la Carteri è grande! Lasciamo perdere la messa in scena attuale!
I would like to watch Fiorenza Cedolins face when she listens to Rosanna Carteri’s version…
Cuanta diferencia entre los primeros y los segundos. Sin duda, la tecnica vocal ha desmejorado en la actualidad.
Carteri was wonderful. Cedolins was painful. Sad to say I do have the 2008 version on DVD. However, I DO like the 1960’s production!
Carteri is indeed splendid in almost anything I have heard of her. She chose to retire rather early after her marriage to devote time to her family.
The first rendition is quite beautiful and expressive, but for me, my all time favorite in this aria is Leontyne Price... 😍
Bravo! Are Cateri and Sinimberghi actually playing the piano here?
Yes, they do.
quest'aria e' meravigliosa e chi la interpreta altrettanto ,gino e rosanna
Commovente la Carteri, voce timbratissima e fiera. Che dire invece di quegli smandruppati erotomani ubriaconi?...la sottil carezza alla bottiglia di whisky...:-)
고전 여자분이 여자 마그다중 가장 다이나믹하신거 같아요.👏👏👏
incroyable!
what difference, l cannot understand why some singers are gaining so much notoriety.
Belle la donna ad anche la voce , Rosanna ,grande anche come artista.
Tante grazie.
How poor la Fenice,
Joana Banyeres. You mean like Jorge de León who sings everywhere with NO SOUND IN THE FIRST OCTAVE and so out of tune that it hurts, with the musicality of a dog and pushing his squeezed high notes to unsuspected limits, right? He will be remembered for developing the biggest wobble in the shortest period of time.
❤❤❤❤❤❤
как же хорошо
A first two are second to none
Brava Carteri, heavenly !
La seconda versione ????? Mah????? No comment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Una delle romanze che preferisco spesso ascoltare.......ovviamente quando è cantata bene e con i colori e filature giuste!!
Roberto Scandurra Anch'io caro Roberto!
Rosanna Carteri wins hands down! :D
How about Gino ?
@@josephbellano2817 Yes, Gino Sinimberghi was exceptional too.
Se fosse nata 30 anni prima, sono sicuro che G.Marconi avrebbe irradiato l'etere x la prima volta al mondo con questa aria al posto della Boheme.
Modern singing with their "great" and "modern" singing and staging.
La commedia e finita!
Truth be told, Cedolins is not the worse among the "modern" singing. There are male and female sounds which can be hardly identified as opera nowadays. And if you dare to probe Wagnerian productions... well, it's simply scary. Frightening.
Diego , the comparison was most unfair. Whoever posted the video should never have .. But your comment was wonderful !
Belissima Carteri
I don't think the more recent performance is not valuable- it shows a "critical" way of approaching a story...with a hint of irony- not that bad- Carteri is totally wonderful, nevertheless Cedolins sketches a different charcter, the one of a "demi monde" woman, with no true sensitivity..just graces...interesting! she sings properly., but Carteri is on an other planet..she is heavenly
La Carteri superba, la Cedolins vulgar.
LOL @ Cedolins. Carteri is grace incarnate.
Ottiima la prima..... La seconda una tragedia !!!! Certo che anche regia e costumi non aiuta....
I fully agree with you
Un sogno sei Carteri .
hahaha Cedolins. This is why some people think fine singing is dead.
omg she sung @&#^ out of that. the first one at the piano
The modern version is heartless. The orchestra the singers are so generic, cold and indifferent.what is soprano doing? Taking a shower? Touching herself? So awful and cliche stage direction.
Carteri is superior
Kiri Te Kanawa é a rainha dessa ária ❤ nenhuma outra supera Kiri.
Caballe :))
MEGLIO LA PRIMA MOLTO MEGLIO
Woof woof woof woofy and zero core. 2nd group awful but unfortunately there is no way to put this side by side for an audience. It's different but if it isn't pointed out and examples given then no one can tell or the untrained ear cannot
Carteri Cedolins 10 a 0!!!!!!!!
a Fabrizio maria garzi la moffo e` brava ma due toni sotto e meno musicale altro che anni luce
informati sui fondamentali del canto
io mi riferisco solo alla carteri non é stata ditrutta non so dove trovi certe scemenze il ritiro é stata una scelta di vita era all 'apice della carriera richiesta da tutti i grandi teatri ancora. una volta informati
guarda che non é affatto vero la voce era intatta anzi migliorata basta documentarsi sui critici di allora il ritiro è dovuto alla gravidanza e al timore di un secondo aborto
Fretta, superficialità, showbusiness e la mania di alzare le note ormai dilagante.
I just watched it again. I do not like Condelin's singing, then again I hate all modern belcanto music.
Giuseppe gismondoe'untenorebravoconunosquilloparticolarenegliacuti
Unavocericcadiarmoniciepotentissimaunatecnicasapiente
2008 performance sucks!
Awful.
Carteri is far superior