It’s amazing how many ex SEALs decided to make comment on SEAL tactics. Thanks for you real life experienced input 🤣. It’s a Tv series ffs. Do u honestly think they would offer their only protective tactics to an enemy that can watch UA-cam? Lastly, it’s a TV series ffs. You don’t have to watch it. And yes I do have REAL LIFE experience in CQB. It’s not a bad watch. I’ve seen worse. You guys need to get back to COD. Mommy is calling you for dinner.
Lmao for real exactly my thoughts, Meal Team Sixers talk and complain about tactics, even if actual experts consulted for shows, they'd never pull their pants down 😂
You can find plenty of former SF and military in general on youtube making guides for literally all of this stuff + doctrine manuals etc. Lots of them run real-world training classes as well and while I don't personally have an issue with tactics in the show let's not pretend like SF tactics are some highly secretive thing when you can find combat footage, veteran made guides and so on easily online if you take more than 5 minutes to look. Although i'd love to know more specifics on what your real-life cqb experience is.
I'm confused as to why the team would have 9mm iron sight weapons and stand in front of doors they intend to open while in contact with the enemy?? Was there some reason for this explained in the episode?
It confused me a little bit too when I first watched the episode. I can understand going with PDWs in some of the scenarios in the first half of the episode or the lead up to this, they were operating in confined spaces and at very close ranges so suppressed mp5s aren't a bad choice, plus MP5-SDs are dead nuts quiet thanks to the integral can and sub-sonic ammo. Mounting optics on old school MP5-SDs is a little tricky due to the receiver design, but they're also using MP5K's here as well which is a different variation of the firearm. In the second half though, including this raid, it'd make more sense for them to be using rifles, either HK416s or MK18 ARs with surefire suppressors like usual. The only possible thing I can think of as to why the producers chose to use mp5s is to either just change things up or because of some kind of deal with H&K to feature the weapons, which they already do with the HK416 and MP7. An in-universe explanation would be that this was a clandestine op, where no American boots on the ground were approved, and the MP5 is a more widely used weapon platform, same with 9mm, compared to 5.56 and M4s/416s. Less blowback potential from the host nation if anything went wrong I guess.
@@retrocny5625 solid thinking on this, both first part and second part. My only point to ponder is that 5.56 is NATO standard, so it wouldn’t automatically mean it was the US. Especially if the target was on the radar of multiple countries - but it does give away it was the west, so it being the US isn’t a bad assumption. 9mm could be anybody though.
I would suspect it was given as context in the episode but haven't seen it myself, the lack of optics etc is very bizarre though given MP5 optic mounts arent exactly hard to find.
Not necessarily. While 9mm isn’t the biggest or deadliest round available, by far, it still causes a ton of damage to the muscles & organs it rips through on its way through the body. And when it comes to engaging enemy with decent body armour, smaller rounds can actually be more effective. I do agree with you in the context of this episode/operation however. 9mm probably wouldn’t be their first choice.
Why hesitate..target 1 ( on the roof could of easily been hit without alerting others with 2 to the head. Target 2 ( 3 to the body) target 3 ( 2 to the head 3 to the body ) ..
Limited rules of engagement. This was an “unofficial” op that Bravo was sent on. That’s why they aren’t wearing their uniforms and aren’t using their signature firearms. Moreover in a situation like this where stealth is the most important aspect especially considering this was an “unofficial” op, you wouldn’t go in guns blazing or with a very lax ROE. That’s why Clay held off. You only kill who you need to kill. Otherwise you are wasting ammo and further risking the security of the operation by killing someone who didn’t need to be killed (if the insurgent was unable to spot Bravo).
Manslaughter, killing another person, without the intent to kill. Usually used when someone hits someone with a car, killing them and the driver was intoxicated, accidentally shooting someone, etc.
My only thought on that would be IF the guard had poor trigger discipline and had his finger on the trigger “just cuz” - and if that finger involuntarily spasmed or twitched when he was shot. Or, regardless of how swiftly you enter, sweep, clear a room - some enemy will still manage to get a shot or two off. But I do agree with you. If the guard got a shot off due to a slow engagement time, especially if he’s being engaged by SOF - probably wouldn’t happen. Especially since in this scene, nobody at the target building was friendly or a hostage, so the baddies would be dropping pretty quick. 0.02
Couple reasons to the logic Most military units favor ops in the dark because of one key factor. The opposing force doesn’t have night vision. Moreover, when looking for some form of protection such as cover and concealment, the darkness provides natural concealment (not shown in the scene as Hollywood needed lighting to allow the audience to see what was going on). Besides, the Bin Laden raid? Night time as well. Shots were still fired, a crowd of Pakistani’s investigated and the Pakistani Air Force sent jets to intercept. Not to mention suppressors are actually pretty loud. All it really does is makes the shot harder to find in terms of visual and auditory hints. I should probably mention that I am in no way involved in the military. Just going off of what I’ve heard from many veterans say on podcasts, interviews, etc.
because with AKs in particular, people often have the weapon on fire constantly, due to the way the safety works it is nowhere near as ergonomic as more "modern" weapons so it is often left off. and then as you are shot, and spasm, you engage the trigger.. pretty straight forward not to mention subsonic 9mm isnt exactly a "heavy hitter" cartridge.... and often takes several rounds to down a threat....
I’m also wondering why they’re not wearing uniforms. I’m full aware DEVGRU has a lot of flexibility to wear what they want but they usually save plain clothes work for certain operations and mainly wear their AOR uniforms
@@TheGrimSniper14 I'm wondering why so many people can't just take it as it is and roll with it. So many of you expect 100% realism and just ruin the experience for yourselves lol it's a TV show. Just enjoy it.
People who actually believe SF operators don't use their safety, these days, are stupid. That may be true for SOME people, but the majority of guys train to the extent where their safety offers no impairment at all to their fighting ability, and instead use it as the safety measure it is, rather than treating it like something that gets in their way.
Have you ever seen Basic SEAL training or any military training? Soldiers are taught to have safeties on when not firing. For example in BUDs 234 phase 3, ALL SEALs are literally taught to have their safeties on when not firing. You are right to some extent though. In a situation in which things could pop off at any moment, it is best to rely on finger safety. But when looking at the basics of combat, safeties are on when not firing.
You would think they might bring in someone who has ever held a rifle once to teach these actors how to look at least a little bit less clueless. Step one: Learn how to hold a gun. Plus no SEAL troop EVER starts bickering and assigning blame in the middle of an op. Totally pathetic.
you realize of course that a SEAL and a Green Beret are part of the production team and some of the actors....and still have to do what the network asks right?
Like half the SEAL team are former special operators, the fuck you on about? Obviously the bickering is because it's a drama TV show, but I do find it a bit annoying as well.
1: Were you in any military unit at all? With the way you’re talking about it, it seems you know so much more than the actual military consultants that are on the show. (Trents actor was in Army SF. Need proof? Look at his arm) According to Jocko Willink, the former commander of Task Force Bruiser, he said that it is important to hold your leaders accountable by telling them that certain actions are not sound decisions. An example of this is recieveing orders to charge a machine gun nest from his superiors. If Jocko received that order, he would disagree with his superiors stating that a tactical disaster would be waiting to happen as the MG nest is fortified, it might be on the high ground, and they may outnumber your force. If a former commander of a SEAL unit said that in many of his podcasts, I think it would be reasonable for tier one operators to discuss poor tactical decisions while in battle. You do realize that if the military consultants got full access to produce the show, you would literally not be able to see anything in this clip. Don’t blame the actors who do their research and learn from the consultants that teach them. Blame Hollywood needing to portray things to an audience.
You realize that this show employs over 200 former mil / leo personnel right? Fuck even trent the teams medic s former 1st sfod-d, Delta force. Trent grey, Im pretty sure a former tier 1 operator knows more about sop’s than you
You are correct in terms of solo room clearing. That is a very dangerous thing to do. If you get hit while solo clearing, you won’t have a battle buddy to send comms over the radio or help cover you. Trent was former US army SF. The show does have high quality military advisors. Ultimately, the only people in this situation you can blame is Hollywood. They wanted Ray to have is revenge moment at the cost of show accuracy.
I'm so glad I never got into this series... If you want to make a SOF TV show, put some money into it and at least give the team guys some legit gear like quads, M4's with IR lasers... I wish I was more ignorant to this stuff lol.
Barely any special forces use m4s haha, and they used these smgs in like two episodes because most people think they look cool and the show was made for entertainment
Watch the show first dude. The NVGs are real, so they can't afford actual quads for every actor. Normally they're rocking 4-16s, or in the new seasons; Noveske's. It was just this one episode, for operational reasons, they were using this particular setup.
Congrats on making a judgement on the whole show based on a clip with no context. Very few spec ops units these days use M4s. This particular show they mainly use 416s. The show is actually fairly spot on. Grow up
The more i watch this show the more I can't stand Ray. He's the self righteous backstabbing type. He pretends to be about the team and his brothers but in reality he's all about himself.
At 2:19 I thought Raqqa Jacques was Jeff Goldblum. LoL
It sure looked like him lol
@@barbaradurrance8483 getting shot trying to find his new apartment lol
@@slappymcgillicuddy7532 Lmao
Ray kills Jeff Goldblum
What's the song at the end of the video ?
It’s amazing how many ex SEALs decided to make comment on SEAL tactics. Thanks for you real life experienced input 🤣. It’s a Tv series ffs. Do u honestly think they would offer their only protective tactics to an enemy that can watch UA-cam? Lastly, it’s a TV series ffs. You don’t have to watch it. And yes I do have REAL LIFE experience in CQB. It’s not a bad watch. I’ve seen worse. You guys need to get back to COD. Mommy is calling you for dinner.
Ok mr badass
Lmao for real exactly my thoughts, Meal Team Sixers talk and complain about tactics, even if actual experts consulted for shows, they'd never pull their pants down 😂
You can find plenty of former SF and military in general on youtube making guides for literally all of this stuff + doctrine manuals etc.
Lots of them run real-world training classes as well and while I don't personally have an issue with tactics in the show let's not pretend like SF tactics are some highly secretive thing when you can find combat footage, veteran made guides and so on easily online if you take more than 5 minutes to look.
Although i'd love to know more specifics on what your real-life cqb experience is.
Playing paintball with bunch of nerds makes u a CQB expert..got it
lol shut up. you were support no doubt
I'm confused as to why the team would have 9mm iron sight weapons and stand in front of doors they intend to open while in contact with the enemy?? Was there some reason for this explained in the episode?
For the first part, they seem to actually have red dots the mp5s but idk about the second part of your comment doesn't make much sense
It confused me a little bit too when I first watched the episode. I can understand going with PDWs in some of the scenarios in the first half of the episode or the lead up to this, they were operating in confined spaces and at very close ranges so suppressed mp5s aren't a bad choice, plus MP5-SDs are dead nuts quiet thanks to the integral can and sub-sonic ammo. Mounting optics on old school MP5-SDs is a little tricky due to the receiver design, but they're also using MP5K's here as well which is a different variation of the firearm.
In the second half though, including this raid, it'd make more sense for them to be using rifles, either HK416s or MK18 ARs with surefire suppressors like usual. The only possible thing I can think of as to why the producers chose to use mp5s is to either just change things up or because of some kind of deal with H&K to feature the weapons, which they already do with the HK416 and MP7. An in-universe explanation would be that this was a clandestine op, where no American boots on the ground were approved, and the MP5 is a more widely used weapon platform, same with 9mm, compared to 5.56 and M4s/416s. Less blowback potential from the host nation if anything went wrong I guess.
@@retrocny5625 Or maybe they found it cool.
@@retrocny5625 solid thinking on this, both first part and second part.
My only point to ponder is that 5.56 is NATO standard, so it wouldn’t automatically mean it was the US. Especially if the target was on the radar of multiple countries - but it does give away it was the west, so it being the US isn’t a bad assumption.
9mm could be anybody though.
I would suspect it was given as context in the episode but haven't seen it myself, the lack of optics etc is very bizarre though given MP5 optic mounts arent exactly hard to find.
I feel like they’d choose something bigger than 9mm.
Ok
Not necessarily. While 9mm isn’t the biggest or deadliest round available, by far, it still causes a ton of damage to the muscles & organs it rips through on its way through the body. And when it comes to engaging enemy with decent body armour, smaller rounds can actually be more effective.
I do agree with you in the context of this episode/operation however. 9mm probably wouldn’t be their first choice.
@@chrisburke624 According to them in the episode, due to this operation being “unofficial” they were not using their “official” weaponry or outfits
It makes less sound..they r using subsonic ammunition
no idea what a 147 grain does to a man
"Shut up, Blondey"
Lol, thank god they had NVG, otherwise they would not have been able to see anything.........
Running nods with mp5s with no IR lasers???
Why hesitate..target 1 ( on the roof could of easily been hit without alerting others with 2 to the head. Target 2 ( 3 to the body) target 3 ( 2 to the head 3 to the body ) ..
Limited rules of engagement. This was an “unofficial” op that Bravo was sent on. That’s why they aren’t wearing their uniforms and aren’t using their signature firearms.
Moreover in a situation like this where stealth is the most important aspect especially considering this was an “unofficial” op, you wouldn’t go in guns blazing or with a very lax ROE. That’s why Clay held off. You only kill who you need to kill. Otherwise you are wasting ammo and further risking the security of the operation by killing someone who didn’t need to be killed (if the insurgent was unable to spot Bravo).
AK can find a way to jam itself.p
Very real
Home made AKs
Producers wans to show that but not a chance
Are real men doing this❤
The MP5? Really? .. Pretty sure I saw one on display at the Civil War museum ?
What was article 119? Why Bravo 1 was arrested?
Unlawful killing, I think
It’s Manslaughter, going off US. Navy terms.
@@TheLoneWanderer0 For slaughtering Raqqa Jacque? I thought navy would be happy because i heard Ray was saying he killed 12 people earlier.
Manslaughter, killing another person, without the intent to kill. Usually used when someone hits someone with a car, killing them and the driver was intoxicated, accidentally shooting someone, etc.
Movie name plzz
It's a show called Seal Team, this is episode 9 from season 4.
SEAL vengance...
No IR lasers?
@Faliku Sanoe : Sorry Sir, that's not correct. Put a Picatinny Rail on the MP5 and you can mount the IR Laser.
@@bushcraft6884 Can you put one on an MP5SK?
@@spyglass5346 : Yes Sir.
@@bushcraft6884 Oh nice
Why in the holy hell do you wait until dark thirty to extract a target with suppressed weapons do you let a guard get off a shot????
My only thought on that would be IF the guard had poor trigger discipline and had his finger on the trigger “just cuz” - and if that finger involuntarily spasmed or twitched when he was shot.
Or, regardless of how swiftly you enter, sweep, clear a room - some enemy will still manage to get a shot or two off.
But I do agree with you. If the guard got a shot off due to a slow engagement time, especially if he’s being engaged by SOF - probably wouldn’t happen. Especially since in this scene, nobody at the target building was friendly or a hostage, so the baddies would be dropping pretty quick.
0.02
Couple reasons to the logic
Most military units favor ops in the dark because of one key factor. The opposing force doesn’t have night vision.
Moreover, when looking for some form of protection such as cover and concealment, the darkness provides natural concealment (not shown in the scene as Hollywood needed lighting to allow the audience to see what was going on).
Besides, the Bin Laden raid? Night time as well. Shots were still fired, a crowd of Pakistani’s investigated and the Pakistani Air Force sent jets to intercept.
Not to mention suppressors are actually pretty loud. All it really does is makes the shot harder to find in terms of visual and auditory hints.
I should probably mention that I am in no way involved in the military. Just going off of what I’ve heard from many veterans say on podcasts, interviews, etc.
because with AKs in particular, people often have the weapon on fire constantly, due to the way the safety works it is nowhere near as ergonomic as more "modern" weapons so it is often left off. and then as you are shot, and spasm, you engage the trigger.. pretty straight forward
not to mention subsonic 9mm isnt exactly a "heavy hitter" cartridge.... and often takes several rounds to down a threat....
I'm questioning the very low tech get they are sporting. No 416s, or Quad NODs, even the MP5s were mostly plain.
Also the rating aren't doing well either. So they make the operations shorter and focus more on cheaper to film relationships between characters :)
I’m also wondering why they’re not wearing uniforms. I’m full aware DEVGRU has a lot of flexibility to wear what they want but they usually save plain clothes work for certain operations and mainly wear their AOR uniforms
First of all its a low vis op they were not allowed in the country so they took only EU gears..see the full episode you will get the answers
@@UnknownMisu That's not true at all lol season 5 is coming. That means the ratings are still solid.
@@TheGrimSniper14 I'm wondering why so many people can't just take it as it is and roll with it. So many of you expect 100% realism and just ruin the experience for yourselves lol it's a TV show. Just enjoy it.
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I love these comments. 99% of these guys are who trashing this show probably never seen combat besides cod
What kind of Seal has to take his safety off.
their safety is their head
Literally anyone that has actual training lmao.
Dudes don’t roll up with safeties off. Not shooting = safety on.
People who actually believe SF operators don't use their safety, these days, are stupid.
That may be true for SOME people, but the majority of guys train to the extent where their safety offers no impairment at all to their fighting ability, and instead use it as the safety measure it is, rather than treating it like something that gets in their way.
Have you ever seen Basic SEAL training or any military training? Soldiers are taught to have safeties on when not firing. For example in BUDs 234 phase 3, ALL SEALs are literally taught to have their safeties on when not firing.
You are right to some extent though. In a situation in which things could pop off at any moment, it is best to rely on finger safety. But when looking at the basics of combat, safeties are on when not firing.
Cod doesn't count as sf knowledge
I thought this was a comedy
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
You would think they might bring in someone who has ever held a rifle once to teach these actors how to look at least a little bit less clueless. Step one: Learn how to hold a gun. Plus no SEAL troop EVER starts bickering and assigning blame in the middle of an op. Totally pathetic.
you realize of course that a SEAL and a Green Beret are part of the production team and some of the actors....and still have to do what the network asks right?
The way they drive the guns is completely accurate. The fuck are you talking about?
Their weapon handling is good what are you talking about, plus this is just for a TV Show, you are the one who should literally Get Real.
Like half the SEAL team are former special operators, the fuck you on about?
Obviously the bickering is because it's a drama TV show, but I do find it a bit annoying as well.
1: Were you in any military unit at all? With the way you’re talking about it, it seems you know so much more than the actual military consultants that are on the show. (Trents actor was in Army SF. Need proof? Look at his arm)
According to Jocko Willink, the former commander of Task Force Bruiser, he said that it is important to hold your leaders accountable by telling them that certain actions are not sound decisions.
An example of this is recieveing orders to charge a machine gun nest from his superiors. If Jocko received that order, he would disagree with his superiors stating that a tactical disaster would be waiting to happen as the MG nest is fortified, it might be on the high ground, and they may outnumber your force.
If a former commander of a SEAL unit said that in many of his podcasts, I think it would be reasonable for tier one operators to discuss poor tactical decisions while in battle.
You do realize that if the military consultants got full access to produce the show, you would literally not be able to see anything in this clip. Don’t blame the actors who do their research and learn from the consultants that teach them. Blame Hollywood needing to portray things to an audience.
This solo building clearing is BS. Spend more money on recruiting the expert advisors on tactics.
You realize that this show employs over 200 former mil / leo personnel right? Fuck even trent the teams medic s former 1st sfod-d, Delta force. Trent grey, Im pretty sure a former tier 1 operator knows more about sop’s than you
@@brendancooper7751 3 out of 6 of this team are former operators, one is even an ex SEAL.
3 out of 7*
You are correct in terms of solo room clearing. That is a very dangerous thing to do. If you get hit while solo clearing, you won’t have a battle buddy to send comms over the radio or help cover you.
Trent was former US army SF. The show does have high quality military advisors.
Ultimately, the only people in this situation you can blame is Hollywood. They wanted Ray to have is revenge moment at the cost of show accuracy.
I'm so glad I never got into this series... If you want to make a SOF TV show, put some money into it and at least give the team guys some legit gear like quads, M4's with IR lasers... I wish I was more ignorant to this stuff lol.
Barely any special forces use m4s haha, and they used these smgs in like two episodes because most people think they look cool and the show was made for entertainment
they’re operating in a country undercover lmao indig weapons and civilian clothes.
Watch the show first dude.
The NVGs are real, so they can't afford actual quads for every actor.
Normally they're rocking 4-16s, or in the new seasons; Noveske's.
It was just this one episode, for operational reasons, they were using this particular setup.
You realize former special operators worked on this show right? I’m sure they know their shit!
Congrats on making a judgement on the whole show based on a clip with no context. Very few spec ops units these days use M4s. This particular show they mainly use 416s. The show is actually fairly spot on. Grow up
The more i watch this show the more I can't stand Ray. He's the self righteous backstabbing type. He pretends to be about the team and his brothers but in reality he's all about himself.