I was able to make a 300mm long part with my V0.1 just fine, I designed in dovetail joints into the part and glued them together. It was the easiest way to get an ABS part that big without warping or a large build chamber.
My V0 is rapidly becoming my favorite printer, and it's one of the few I keep in the house. Small enough to not take up a lot of space, fast enough to churn out prints. It's an excellent platform and a lot of fun to tweak and tune.
I got a 350mm voron 2. Reasoning was that sure I could get a smaller one, but I KNEW I was gonna want bigger parts. I don't do a lot of design work - just finding prints to do usually - so printing fast is not really a problem.
I usually go with bigger printers because I like to throw stuff on and have it fit. Even small parts I like to be able to batch them. With that being said I haven't printed in ABS / ASA in a really long time and can see the benefit of a small enclosed printer.
I used to be all about size but then, insight of smaller printers and this whole shift to faster printers, I've realized I really don't need a massive build volume and most prints do fit the 120x120 for me, I've been considering a v0 for a while and this video is helpful
Honestly 90% of what I 3d print is smaller than 180x180, and 2/3 is smaller than 120x120. Building a Positron right now as I feel 120mm is a *bit* small for my purposes(too small for 3x3 Gridfinity bins). And honestly comparing a V0 and an Ender is like comparing a cheap pickup to an EV Sedan. Both have completely different use-cases, and are valid, but for different reasons.
You made some great points, I agree, from someone that uses, sells and upgrades printers as a business, I have printers from 120mm2 to 500mm2, I think its best to own at least 2 printers, buy a great big cheap machine for those big PLA cosplay things, and a small compact quality machine for printing high quality mechanical parts, always use the right tool for the job, and I'll bet if your into mechanical parts, you will be using the small machine more often than the big one, smaller machines have better tolerance, heat up quicker, are much easier to repair, can print faster, will fit on your desk right next to your work station, the only CON is build size, and I think most people just see that and let it go to their head, saying all this, I think a perfect compromise should be 150mm3 volume, the Voron Zero should have been 150 from the start, but this is a metric thing, I also don't think 0.4 should be the standard Nozzle size, should really be 0.5mm :)
After this I’ve been heavily thinking I should build a 150 or 160mm variant of the V0. It may well happen soon. That really does feel like a sweet spot.
@@MandicReally Yes I agree, 120mm3 is good, but 150 would have been a better choice, there should be a 150mm3 V0 then they should have done a bigger version with 2020 extrusion called it the V1 and made it 200mm3 then step up to the vastly more complicated V2 or Trident.
You touched on it slightly, but I think the biggest reason is that a Voron 0 is rarely the only printer someone will own, while the Ender 2 Pro (and other low-cost off the shelf printers) will often be someone's first and only printer. If I only own one printer, I would want to make sure it is convenient for all my use cases, so even if only 5% of my prints wouldn't fit, that would be annoying. Heat-Up time is also less of a concern on those printers, as they will likely only ever print PLA and PETG, and are also relatively slow. 10 minutes of heat up are annoying if your print only takes 30 Minutes, but if that Same print already takes 2 hours, those extra 10 minutes don't really matter. For me, the perfect combination of printers would be something like a 2.4 350, both for big prints and mass production (and admittedly because it is cool), as fitting more stuff on one plate reduces printer downtime (heat up, cooldown, finding the time to pull the parts out of the printer), and a smaller printer (I'm currently leaning towards something like the Salad Fork, a Trident Scaled down to v0 sizes, but with a max size of 180x180) for rapid iteration.
Props for the quality editing and pacing. Your production is on par with the largest channels in this space. Also very good points on the efficacy of smaller build volumes, never thought of it that way. Great vid!
I have a couple of Vorons and my V0.2 is used all the time. It’s a fast little workhorse. Like you said, I can finish a print before my 2.4 is ready to start.
Had a crunchy motion sound on one of my linear rail machines, and found that by using a thicker grease in the bearing blocks helped a lot. Downside: partial disassembly will probably be necessary.
I'm hoping that is all I need. I never greased them as well as I should have initially. Hopefully they aren't damaged now as I have a few hundred hours on it. I'll be disassembling for a conversion soon so I'll address them then.
@@MandicReally If you need to replace the bearing balls, the best place I've found is McMaster Carr. Just search for Low-Carbon Steel Balls 5/32" Diameter. I used these to rebuild some sketchy rails I got years ago and they worked out great.
I started with an Ender 3, huge learning curve. Like 300 $ things in upgrades. Went on with a FLSun Super Racer, too about 300 $ in upgrades. I got one printer gifted which gave me the Creality CR6 SE. And on that one day in summer my wife cleared me to buy a Voron v0.1 off eBay. The machine was assembled and kinda tuned. The first prints run and I am so happy with it. It is fast in printing and heating and it just runs and does its work. Just the manual leveling is killing me every time. Do I need a Voron v0? Surely not. My wife is aware of this and still does not throw it out of the window. To have a v0 is a whole different thing.
It all depends on what is your main aim in 3d Printing... I print small part that fit on my 100x100mm. I got 2 of those and 1 350x250m and i use it very rearly
This honestly explains to me why so many people have an X1C and an A1Mini - I've lusted to have an A1 or A1Mini just to have a lower cost spare to print something quick and small WHILE I'm running a multi-day print on my X1C
I'm building a V0.2 because I live in a tiny apartment and want to print ABS/ASA but don't have the space for a bigger enclosed printer. Most of the parts I print are not huge, usually for electronic projects, so the size is fine for me, I'm extremely glad something like this exists otherwise I wouldn't have the option to print some things at all
If you want an inexpensive, tiny core xy, look up Rolohaun's Rook printers. There's a fully printed one and the Rook 2020 that as the name suggests uses 2020 extrusions.
Building a V02R1 starting this weekend. I have a SV06 and am happy with it, but want MORE! When I saw a review promoting the V0.2 I knew that the speed was just the thing I wanted it for. Most of my prints can fit within the volume and there is nothing wrong with running 4 prints consecutively rather than one with all the parts on one bed taking longer overall.
I've been using a second hand Monoprice Select Mini V2 for 6 months now. It was given to me for free so there's no way I'd complain. Sure, it isn't perfect and a 110mm/cu (usable) build volume is limiting BUT it still works and it does a really good job. Add to that I HAVE to think smaller and be very careful when I design things which has forced me to come up with some pretty creative ways of getting around problems. It's also enabled me to get much better at placement to maximize size. I've been able to print off 135 mm long items in this smaller volume. Considering 90% of what I print fits in this space I don't really need anything larger. I sure want it though. :)
I Had this machine for one month and then i bought my MK3. It was nice to get started, but it lacks so many Features, and the Manual leveling with a Tool are Not really nice. At the Moment i would Like a bigger surface but Not a Lot more height, as I am printing lego Stones which arent that large. But only 84 fit on my MK3. I do Not mind the small build Volume, but for Projects bigger ist better. If you have to Print a Lot of objects it helps Not to have to Clean Up the build space after every small print. Just fill IT Up and Go.
@@MaxMichel89 I'm actually on the verge of getting an SV05 but only because I want the build volume and it'll really only get used for those larger prints. At least that's what I keep telling myself. 😁
@@Enjoymentboy IT should be a better value, but Inpersonally Like the better working conditions and Open sourceness from Prusa. Also depends where you live.
I think that would say more casual 3d printing folks who have only 1 printer and only print PLA/PETG. Dealing with bed/chamber heating times is so annoying. That is the reason my mostly used printers are small ones. However, if I had to choose only one printer, it would be one with a ~200x200mm bed. So I understand their point of view, but I don't think they understand ours. Just because they never experienced those "issues".
180mm is perfect to me. 120 tho….. just too small for most of my parts. But I do still want one lol But constantly removing parts and starting a new print is a huge pain tbh
Dead right with the "what size volume do you NEED"... I know a LOT of people who don't print ANYTHING that would exceed a 0.2's build volume. Most people aren't out there printing full scale Iron Man suits or full scale weapon replicas.
a tiny, like micro printer, has been on my todo list for a while to have next to my PC for sub 5 minute prints like spacers which I make quiet often. Getting up and walking to my other printers takes longer than the print itself aha
I've just bought a Neptune 4 Max and honestly, the bed size really can't overshadow the print quality with default design (I will upgrade it with linear rails in the near future). That's why I want to try out building my own 3d printer, starting with the Voron 0. I was a bit concerned about the bed size, but your video made me realize what I need, not want. Voron 0 it is.
I mostly print very small parts, custom grommets with TPU, filler pieces, knobs and whatever I need for restorations. I have a neptune 3 pro, my first machine. Happy with it. But I wouldn't mind a small very fast machine. A bed volume of 5x5x5 cm would cover most parts and they would not even have to be pretty.... :) It's all on on the inside of other things anyway. I'm even looking at printers for kids. Crude, but cheap, so I could work on restorations and have multiple filler pieces printing as I go.
I've got space for one printer and I think my Ender 3 is about the perfect size to be useful without taking up too much space. Some of the projects I've printed recently that wouldn't work on a smaller bed include a very nice 5L trash can, a sponge holder/dryer for my kitchen sink (I actually had to scale this down to fit), a pencil case, and some toys with rip cords that I had to place diagonally to get it to fit on the Ender 3. I also want to get into gridfinity or multigrid which would be very limited on such a small bed. That said I do really like the idea of a Voron 0.2 as a secondary printer that can be used to print ABS components fast for real applications and the majority of little toys/trinkets way faster than I'm used to.
I started out with an ender 3, the original, that i found on sale for 100 euros, after about a year of printing, i decided to get a V0.1 since almost all of my prints were half the size of my ender 3 bed, and the ender broke down almost completely, i managed to resurrect it by swapping out its mobo for a ramps 1.4 and an old laptop to run klipper, and strapped a v6 hotend to the ender 3 carriage with some wire to print a temporary mount for the hotend that didn't shake like crazy, once i did that, i started printing parts for the voron, and i still use these same parts today, just a week ago the extuder mechanism broke, and i managed to print a sherpa mini out of resin, and i screwed it on top of the mini stealthburner. right now i'm printing the parts to upgrade my v0.1 to a v0.2 with this frankenstein setup, and i wouldn't do it any other way!
another thing about mini printers is that it forces you to make easily printable models that you can glue or even weld together with a soldering iron. These models will either have to be sliced to be printed in multiple pieces or adjust the size to be smaller. This makes you have to print easy models that are unlikely to fail and if they do fail, less wasted time and filament. Furthermore, yiu get amazing features for a low price. The Monoprice Mini Delta is my go to mini printer, and I LOVE IT it is fast, high quality, easy to mod and maintain, ect. Simply put, the only models that can't be done on a mini printer are large print in place models, and let's be honest, print in place is more a gimmick than anything in most cases.
Speed and accuracy of a cube frame that takes up less space for less money. I seldom use the entire build volume of my 200x200x250mm Prusa clone, and when I do I wish it was bigger. I have plans to extend it vertically, then I might just build a small, rigid H-bot for quick everyday prints.
If you build a voron 0, remember to not use NEMA 14 motors! I switched to LDO NEMA 17 and it can accelerate at 30000mm/s^2, when using stealthchop and running lower than rated current.
Youve kinda sold me on this. Not physically since i only have 1 printer and dont plan buying another. But youve sold me on the idea on its usefulness. The low energy consumption and print speeds is what made me go to that conclusion.
I tried myself by building a few Printer (HyperCube, V0.1, Trident, Annex K3). For everyday Printing i usually use the Trident. Everday meaning i have multiple Parts on a Buildplate. For really fast prints, i stick to the K3. The Buildvolume of 180 mm³ is the Sweetspot for me, its super fast and i just love to watch the crossed gantry in motion. The V0 is catching dust at the Moment and needs some tuning anyway. I will rebuild it eventually as i have new and shiny Filament.
I've been considering a v0.1 but it always seemed like something that could be to limited by size, even though in reality I can print 95% of the items I sell regularly on one no problem. The biggest reason I haven't pulled the trigger on building one is time. The p1p I picked up recently checked all the boxes I was looking for with a v0.1 for less $ and setup time, but I do worry about maintenance issues with it. I will definitely be building a v0.1 as soon as I finish up the Mercury One build on my Ender5+. As always, love the content!
Its also great that the print bed is small that i rarely have to level the bed before a print. It makes a significant difference in print time when the printing time is less than an hour.
So I just ordered the Siboor 0.2 kit (with metal parts vs colored extrusions). Specifically most of what I print are smaller things, for drones and functional parts. Figured it would be faster and more reliable than my S1 Pro. I plan on getting a multi head next year.. just not sure which one yet. Waiting on the ProForge 4 release/reviews to see how well it does. It looks a lot like a Voron e.g. accessible parts you can source and fix if need be, but 4 heads, 800mm/s print speeds (we'll see how fast it really is), etc.
When I just had my Mini, I printed 8km on it. Then I got some Troodon 2.0 machines for large parts, I still fired up the mini regularly. Now, I use V400's for smaller parts. Newer printers should get a small unit first, then a big one. Keep both.
My second 3D printer, the first one I ever built from scratch, is a 500mm cubed machine..... I almost never use the full build volume, that being said there has been maybe 3 projects over the last couple of years that I absolutely couldn't have done without it.
My main motivation for a larger printer is either full build plates worth of smaller parts so I'm not constantly pulling prints off the bed, waiting for the bed to heat up/cool off and the various pre flight print_start processes. Or for the occasional large item like helmets or cosplay props in fewer pieces meaning less time joining the bits and post processing before painting. I have a little ender that prints like a champ but it's slow and smaller than my 300^3 Trident which means I can't get as much off it in the same amount of time. I'm still looking to build a V0 someday but for me the size is more immediately useful.
I live in the UK, which means my house is tiny, so I struggle to find space for my Ender 3. I mostly print DnD terrain with it so the build volume and physical size of a V0 would be perfect. I don’t really need to be able to print ABS though and would love someone to do a kit that’s cheaper and leaves out all the enclosure, top hat and such
You could cover building larger prints in sections and gluing, welding, bolting, etc. the sections together. I suspect that, for many larger prints, printing the separate sections with a V0 would take less time in total than printing an unseparated piece in a larger printer. Also, section level errors would reprint much faster than reprinting a large piece on a large printer.
My Prusa Mini has been able to handle 95% of my prints. I'd really like to see a 'Voron 1' that prints roughly a 180mm plate. The 2.4 is just too big for my limited space.
PrintersForAnts do some scaled down Vorons, there is the Salad Fork, which is a scaled down Voron Trident that can do either 120 or 160mm plates, there is also the Tri-Zero with the Plus 50 mod which takes a 2.4 belted design down to 170mm!
Why. Ive been focused on a big stupid printer because i hate to merge pieces together. But you made me realize how often i spend too long trying to load up the build plate to make more things at one shot instead of printing the 1 small print i need.
Those little guys are absolute throughput machines. Our parts are relatively small and the 120 bed is great … and we can fit multiple of these where a bigger printer would go.
I agree that V0 will print about 50-70% of parts. But if I want only one printer, then I need something bigger to satisfy my needs. I don't want to split parts and glue them later together. I'm mostly 3d printing automotive and motorcycle tuning parts. Basically anything: from little air ducts, to manifolds, adapters, cupholders, covers, buttons, mounts, brackets, holders and anything else for car or motorcycle. Actually I'm thinking about building Voron 0 but exactly 1.5 times bigger.
Also depends on where you're coming from. If you're coming from the cosplay corner, then you'll need a bigger build volume. 300 x 300 x 400 is a must! Having too many cuts in an armor piece results in misalignments and therefore you have to fill in the gaps which requires more post processing.
also more "cuts" opens up more chances for a warp to occur on a piece, resulting in many re-prints. The more of a large print you can do at once, the better.
I build my v0.1 for specifically faster prototyping next to my desk instead of the bigger printers I have in the basement cause I hated having to sit around for first layer checks (don't judge me lol) and when it was a small part it was nice to keep working on the cad while it was printing for fit checks. The ONE THING that annoys me about the build volume (beside my bed having a low spot which is likely my fault lol) is I often want to print things that are 130mm or so or just outside of the volume and then I have to do a cut and key or orient it weirdly or just scale it. There's way to work around it, but by and large it's enough for most of my gadgets, not to mention the building of the kit was worth it in and of itself :D
My first printer is a sunlu s8 pro with a massive build volume (31x31x40). I love having that capacity, especially the width (which is still limiting at times), but 100% most of the parts I print would fit into one of these tiny printers. And the main problem I run into with printing tiny parts on a giant printer is bed levelling. The larger the bed, the greater the difference there's going to be between even the most accurate tramming map and the actual bed; this has no greater impact than in the very middle of the bed, where small parts are usually printed.
I have an old Flashforge Finder (140mm^3) and recently also built a Voron Trident (250^3) and I find, build-volume-wise, that the Finder prints almost everything I want to print. I went with the 250 spec Voron because I really didn't *need* any more than about 180mm^3, and there's not a spec Voron for that.
I'm starting to really think the Voron team should consider something between the 0.2 and 2.4/Trident 250mm. Something like a 180mm machine would probably become my most used rather quickly...
@@MandicReally Members of the Voron Team have developed smaller printers based on the stock printers. There's the Micron+ that's 180mm^3 (think V2), and the Salad Fork which comes in at 160mm^3 (think Trident). I saw mention of a Halfwire (think Prusa Mini mashed up with Switchwire) but I'm not sure if it was a one-off or if it is in development. I was originally thinking about a Salad Fork for my next printer, but I have a 250 V1.8 frame kicking around that is yearning to be turned into something... So that may end up turning into a Legacy of some variety.
My v0.1 has 842 hours, 1020 jobs, and 6km of filament used in about 8 months at speeds around a bamboo p1p ... My 2.4 built at the same time (and printed by the v0.1) has half as much time on it. If I have something to print and it fits, it typically goes to the v0
since making my Tiny-m a 150x150x150 printer it's has very quickly taken over as the one that is always on and ready to print. I have just finished the enclosure and getting ready for asa - abs prints and it's the only actually enclosed printer I have. It's just perfect for quick test prints like you said because it heats up in no time and can print very fast. This is my 10th printer and the 3rd I have self sourced and made and I never want to go back to a cheap box printer again.
Tiny-M REALLY is interesting to me, but hasn't been updated in a bit that I've seen. I'd probably want 0.2 aesthetics, which would be a big project on my part that I don't have time for...
could you say then that a voron 0 is a great 2nd printer when the reasoning for the 2nd printer is that 1 printer just doesn't quite have enough throughput for rapid prototyping
Yea, that was a point I had intended to make but didn't want to drag out the conclusion. To me the V0 is an excellent "2nd" printer. Have another machine that can handle the bigger stuff, but the small one to pump out rapid parts. When I first started using my V0 that was how it was. It was the "small" sibling to my Prusa Mk3 & Ender 3, that slowly eclipsed those machines entirely.
I got fascinated with Voron around Christmas, and built a V0.1/2 this spring because I wanted all of the project part without as much expense. At the time I fully intended to give it a few months and then start looking into a Trident, but ... I'll be honest, now I'm fascinated with these little printers, so I might redirect to one of the printers for ants in the 180mm range (such as a Micron or scaled Tiny-T).
@@ballbous :-). I think there may be advantages to sticking within a specific ecosystem for the first couple builds! Also, while I'll have to think on it, my current inclination is towards something more in the 180mm area, because it's a nice split between 120mm and 250mm.
I had a small printer as my first printer, the Monoprice Voxel (rebranded Adventurer 3). 150x150x150 was its build volume, nice, fully enclosed little printer...noisy as hell though. I generally used it as my "test" printer for a single design as well as my portable printer when traveling to shows (Train Swap Meets). I decided to sell it since what I had been printing was all too big for it, HO scale buildings were not going to fit in a 150mm area. Also mass producing multiple items also wasn't feasible either, could get 1 or 2 on it, but the bigger printers I had (Twin Neptune 2S) could do 10+ instead. However the Voron 0's there are the same price as that Voxel was, but clearly faster. The only benefit I really see a Voxel 0 having is entirely in the speed department, if you can manage to get said print to fit in the small 120x120 plate. Portability might be a draw too, since its small and enclosed to begin with, it would travel well. However the Voron 2.4, at least at the 350 version does seem to be quite beneficial even at its high price point. Because it brings both high speed AND large build volume together. Then there is the X-1, that with the AMS is cheaper then the 2.4, 100mm smaller in build volume but really can't beat that ability to print in Color. There is the Pallet 3 System that allows up to 8 colors on any printer to be used, but thats another extra, fairly spendy thing. No idea how well it would work in conjunction with a Voron printer.
I see small (fast) printers like I see big printers… amazing to augment a primary printer, but not great as your first one since they fill a bit of a niche. A Voron 0 would make a great second printer, just as the Neptune 3 Max does (just different ends of the spectrum)… but I’ll always recommend a solid mid-volume printer as a first (workhorse) printer.
Yea, I wanted to make that point but didn't want to run the video longer. It isn't what I'd recommend for your ONLY printer, but an excellent 2nd printer.
I don't have one of these but I would say 90% of the things I print would fit on one. If I had any need for multiple printers one of them would probably be a small one like that.
There are very few things that I print normally that won't fit on a V0 bed. Most of the ones that won't fit on the V0 will fit on a 160mm Salad Fork (a small V0 like variant of the Voron Trident). Portability and convenience are other factors. Perhaps the larger printer must be put in the garage or a less convent to access place. The small printer can sit closer to where you design and work. The small printer is also easy to transport and show off, take to the local club or group for a presentation. It's also less likely to shake out of alignment in use. Even dropping one on it's head didn't do much damage (Nero). The small printer is also available while the big printer is busy to try out that new idea you just had. :)
I got a cR10 V3 with „little“ Mods. About 90% of my parts fits into the V0 which was the reason why I decided to get one. Now I barely use my CR10 anymore 😅
As someone who mainly uses FDM for wargaming terrain, and bases, etc. Build volume is everything but for someone prototyping small parts using a finicky filament, and needing to print more than 3 pieces a week I can definitely see the advantages of a small and fast FDM printer.
A rather simple addon can negate the enclosure heating time difference. One can get a used hair dryer for a few dollars, or even free. Slight case modification, a relay, and a temperature sensor/switch (but an Arduino is a better way) - and you've got yourselves a printing enclosure temperature booster. Then, your enclosure could be ready in a minute or two. Older underpowered-for-today hair dryers are a better option, because it is easier to control the potential temperature spikes; food dehydrator is also an option (due to a weaker heating element, and thus "safer"). And needless to say, have a triple you-built-it safeties (ideally, on top of the dryer built-in ones), ideally only have it on to heat the inside air while you're physically present (first few layers), and only to a reasonable air temperatures (consider hair dryer's and your printer's components and build materials). If you cannot fathom at least 10 ways in which you can mess up this project/addon and fail - (and their succesful fixes) - better ye not undertake this project.
I make a ton of gears and small builds in general so I don't need a bigger printer, enough said for me, and a small printer is always more reliable and live longer than large ones. That's exactly why Voron V2.4 isn't trying to reach 400mm cubic.
v0 and my bambu are my main workhorses right now. I can get much better surface quality from my v0. Bambu prints reliably and the parts function, but cannot be tuned as well as the voron because of the input shaper. VFAS etc.
I first built a v2 a year ago and just recently finished my v0... after finishing the v0 I find I am using it almost exclusively unless I want to print something larger than its build volume. My guess is what you are 47 yrs old.
I've got a Prusa Mini because I don't have a lot of space in my home. While a bit large at 18cm cubed, I don't think I ever printed a part larger than 12cm cubed. A small Voron is certainly on my list considering the speeds possible with that thing.,
I have a Silhouette Alta+. Teensy build volume. I’ve considered selling it, to upgrade to a Bambu X1C and Elegoo Neptune 3 Max. I also have an FLSun Speed Racer in storage (long story). Still, I’ve come up with a number of ideas for things I can print on the Silhouette. After all, if I ever have a 3D print garden, each print can be busy with something, thus adding speed. I do, however, really consider the Silhouette to be on the level of a kitchen appliance, for making cookie cutters though.😂
I have an Artillery Genius, and most of my prints would fit on a smaller machine. Knowing this, if I buy a new machine I clearly prefer a small one, which will offer me better quality for the same price than a larger printer.
My largest print volume is 250^3 on my Biqu BX. I currently have 4 "mini" printers - a Prusa Mini, my Voron 0.1, and two Kingroon KP3Ss (a V1 and a Pro V2) and they print 90% of what I need and my Ender 3s and BX take care of the remaning 10%. But if a 350mm Voron 2.4 kit showed up at my doorstep, I certainly wouldn't turn it down :)
Thata the first question i ask when somebody wants a printet or suggests one. What are going to do with it? How large are the items? If you are going to do functional abs part your ender 3 is pretty pointless, even with all metal hotend and enclosure, its just not built for that usage. Same goes the opposite way, pla prototypes or cosply. A qidi i fast as example is also wasted money since its not good for pla. For size i only ask if its out of the ordinary, like above 300mm since the drawbacks of large printers become really apparent aftet 300mm
My first impression of the V0 was that it was a throwback to the old makerbot cupcake. Right now I'm in the process of making a Hadley telescope. The parts for this fit on my Ender3 with a bit of space left over (but not much). The Hadley is a 4.25" (mirror size) scope. I'd like to scale this up to a 6.5" mirror (which I will try to grind myself). A scaled up design for this might fit on the ender3, though I might have the cut some of the parts in half on the cad model, print them, and glue them together. So the Voron 0 would be too small for this. However, I have also 3D printed a chess set. THAT would fit on the Voron, and I could easily print several pieces at a time. (I didn't do that on the Ender, too much stringing between the parts (PETG). I could probably tune the extraction, flow rate, and filament temp to control this, I just haven't bothered yet.
the only thing that is kind of sad is you can no longer do overnight prints 😅 which feel like a underutilization of it. like every part is sub 2hr my take on this is probably don’t get v0 as your 1st printer as it can be hard to tune (unless you are in a dorm than the smol footprint is super nice). get a bambu if you are not interested in tuning printer and a E3 otherwise (not actually sure if there are better choice on this one, when I started E3 is still the king). with that said v0 are awesome second printer since it require some tuning but not too much tuning and complements a larger printer nicely. after that it is pretty much personal judgement and I plan to build a voron 2.4 from v0
My first(so far only) printer is a prusa mini, and while I think more than half of the stuff I've made could be printed on a voron 0, the thing I've made in highest quantity (a part similar to shelf brackets), would not fit in the smaller build volume. I think Voron 0 is a good size for a third or fourth printer, after you can already print any single thing you need, but need more speed or capacity.
Oh man this is escalating quickly. I think my klipperized ender 3 s1 pro and X1C power duo needs a tiny sibling to bring some color to this livingroom. My gut says it has to be red, but should I try something different.... racing green maybe...
I also run a v0.1/2 (its a frankenstein v0.1) I also run an open source project where none of the parts fit in the V0 so i mostly use my trident for that, but that doesn't mean the V0 doesnt get used i still use it for all my personal and or fun bits when my big printer is in use.
i LOVE my Voron 0.2 its so cool , its so easy to take it with you, ive taken mine to seferal friends houses, mine prints at 800mm/s so its really FAST and its not That expensive (formbot kit all in roughly 550€) and its a fun challenge to do in your free time and its just cool
If it’s the only machine you have, then yes , a bigger printer is a must, especially with limited design capabilities. I3 size is the default for many existing design on Thingiverse or elsewhere. Anything beyond that is optional. I started with a too small printer and regretted it.
I got a creality ender 3 s1 and a voron 0.1. I use almost exclusively my voron 0.1, for drone parts and other small 3d prints. I used the creality for building the voron though
so ... how many of those people are printing objects of that size strictly due to how long it takes. what would they be printing if they had the speed and accuracy of a voron?
Follically challenged people FTW! I always tell people my oversized brain pushed all my hair out, no room. 🙂 For small 3d printers, another point worth mentioning is improvements in slicing software. These days it's easier than ever to break bigger models down into smaller pieces right from the slicer, without needing to be a CAD expert. TinkerCad is also incredibly accessible, even to idiots like me. So we have loads of options for making big things into small pieces.
The Baldness is just poor layer adhesion 🤣
lol, either that, or he is a printer and his PEI sheet on his build plate is permanently damaged
I was able to make a 300mm long part with my V0.1 just fine, I designed in dovetail joints into the part and glued them together. It was the easiest way to get an ABS part that big without warping or a large build chamber.
My V0 is rapidly becoming my favorite printer, and it's one of the few I keep in the house. Small enough to not take up a lot of space, fast enough to churn out prints. It's an excellent platform and a lot of fun to tweak and tune.
All the printers I build & play with, when folks ask "What is your favorite?" I pretty immediately think "My V0.1".
Thanks for the reference. Great summary. I’ve found 85% of my prints can fit on an Ender 2 Pro so your numbers for Voron 0.x seems about right.
I got a 350mm voron 2. Reasoning was that sure I could get a smaller one, but I KNEW I was gonna want bigger parts. I don't do a lot of design work - just finding prints to do usually - so printing fast is not really a problem.
I usually go with bigger printers because I like to throw stuff on and have it fit. Even small parts I like to be able to batch them. With that being said I haven't printed in ABS / ASA in a really long time and can see the benefit of a small enclosed printer.
I used to be all about size but then, insight of smaller printers and this whole shift to faster printers, I've realized I really don't need a massive build volume and most prints do fit the 120x120 for me, I've been considering a v0 for a while and this video is helpful
Honestly 90% of what I 3d print is smaller than 180x180, and 2/3 is smaller than 120x120. Building a Positron right now as I feel 120mm is a *bit* small for my purposes(too small for 3x3 Gridfinity bins).
And honestly comparing a V0 and an Ender is like comparing a cheap pickup to an EV Sedan. Both have completely different use-cases, and are valid, but for different reasons.
Hey I'm in the middle of building a positron right now as well. Did you finish yours yet? If so, how did it go?
You made some great points, I agree, from someone that uses, sells and upgrades printers as a business, I have printers from 120mm2 to 500mm2, I think its best to own at least 2 printers, buy a great big cheap machine for those big PLA cosplay things, and a small compact quality machine for printing high quality mechanical parts, always use the right tool for the job, and I'll bet if your into mechanical parts, you will be using the small machine more often than the big one, smaller machines have better tolerance, heat up quicker, are much easier to repair, can print faster, will fit on your desk right next to your work station, the only CON is build size, and I think most people just see that and let it go to their head, saying all this, I think a perfect compromise should be 150mm3 volume, the Voron Zero should have been 150 from the start, but this is a metric thing, I also don't think 0.4 should be the standard Nozzle size, should really be 0.5mm :)
After this I’ve been heavily thinking I should build a 150 or 160mm variant of the V0. It may well happen soon. That really does feel like a sweet spot.
@@MandicReally Yes I agree, 120mm3 is good, but 150 would have been a better choice, there should be a 150mm3 V0 then they should have done a bigger version with 2020 extrusion called it the V1 and made it 200mm3 then step up to the vastly more complicated V2 or Trident.
You touched on it slightly, but I think the biggest reason is that a Voron 0 is rarely the only printer someone will own, while the Ender 2 Pro (and other low-cost off the shelf printers) will often be someone's first and only printer.
If I only own one printer, I would want to make sure it is convenient for all my use cases, so even if only 5% of my prints wouldn't fit, that would be annoying.
Heat-Up time is also less of a concern on those printers, as they will likely only ever print PLA and PETG, and are also relatively slow. 10 minutes of heat up are annoying if your print only takes 30 Minutes, but if that Same print already takes 2 hours, those extra 10 minutes don't really matter.
For me, the perfect combination of printers would be something like a 2.4 350, both for big prints and mass production (and admittedly because it is cool), as fitting more stuff on one plate reduces printer downtime (heat up, cooldown, finding the time to pull the parts out of the printer), and a smaller printer (I'm currently leaning towards something like the Salad Fork, a Trident Scaled down to v0 sizes, but with a max size of 180x180) for rapid iteration.
Props for the quality editing and pacing. Your production is on par with the largest channels in this space. Also very good points on the efficacy of smaller build volumes, never thought of it that way. Great vid!
I have a couple of Vorons and my V0.2 is used all the time. It’s a fast little workhorse. Like you said, I can finish a print before my 2.4 is ready to start.
How long does it take for your 2.4 to heat up?
Had a crunchy motion sound on one of my linear rail machines, and found that by using a thicker grease in the bearing blocks helped a lot. Downside: partial disassembly will probably be necessary.
I'm hoping that is all I need. I never greased them as well as I should have initially. Hopefully they aren't damaged now as I have a few hundred hours on it. I'll be disassembling for a conversion soon so I'll address them then.
@@MandicReally If you need to replace the bearing balls, the best place I've found is McMaster Carr. Just search for Low-Carbon Steel Balls 5/32" Diameter. I used these to rebuild some sketchy rails I got years ago and they worked out great.
I started with an Ender 3, huge learning curve. Like 300 $ things in upgrades. Went on with a FLSun Super Racer, too about 300 $ in upgrades. I got one printer gifted which gave me the Creality CR6 SE. And on that one day in summer my wife cleared me to buy a Voron v0.1 off eBay. The machine was assembled and kinda tuned. The first prints run and I am so happy with it. It is fast in printing and heating and it just runs and does its work. Just the manual leveling is killing me every time.
Do I need a Voron v0? Surely not. My wife is aware of this and still does not throw it out of the window.
To have a v0 is a whole different thing.
It all depends on what is your main aim in 3d Printing... I print small part that fit on my 100x100mm. I got 2 of those and 1 350x250m and i use it very rearly
This honestly explains to me why so many people have an X1C and an A1Mini - I've lusted to have an A1 or A1Mini just to have a lower cost spare to print something quick and small WHILE I'm running a multi-day print on my X1C
I'm building a V0.2 because I live in a tiny apartment and want to print ABS/ASA but don't have the space for a bigger enclosed printer.
Most of the parts I print are not huge, usually for electronic projects, so the size is fine for me, I'm extremely glad something like this exists otherwise I wouldn't have the option to print some things at all
If you want an inexpensive, tiny core xy, look up Rolohaun's Rook printers. There's a fully printed one and the Rook 2020 that as the name suggests uses 2020 extrusions.
Building a V02R1 starting this weekend. I have a SV06 and am happy with it, but want MORE! When I saw a review promoting the V0.2 I knew that the speed was just the thing I wanted it for. Most of my prints can fit within the volume and there is nothing wrong with running 4 prints consecutively rather than one with all the parts on one bed taking longer overall.
I've been using a second hand Monoprice Select Mini V2 for 6 months now. It was given to me for free so there's no way I'd complain. Sure, it isn't perfect and a 110mm/cu (usable) build volume is limiting BUT it still works and it does a really good job. Add to that I HAVE to think smaller and be very careful when I design things which has forced me to come up with some pretty creative ways of getting around problems. It's also enabled me to get much better at placement to maximize size. I've been able to print off 135 mm long items in this smaller volume. Considering 90% of what I print fits in this space I don't really need anything larger. I sure want it though. :)
I Had this machine for one month and then i bought my MK3. It was nice to get started, but it lacks so many Features, and the Manual leveling with a Tool are Not really nice.
At the Moment i would Like a bigger surface but Not a Lot more height, as I am printing lego Stones which arent that large. But only 84 fit on my MK3.
I do Not mind the small build Volume, but for Projects bigger ist better. If you have to Print a Lot of objects it helps Not to have to Clean Up the build space after every small print. Just fill IT Up and Go.
@@MaxMichel89 I'm actually on the verge of getting an SV05 but only because I want the build volume and it'll really only get used for those larger prints. At least that's what I keep telling myself. 😁
@@Enjoymentboy IT should be a better value, but Inpersonally Like the better working conditions and Open sourceness from Prusa. Also depends where you live.
I think that would say more casual 3d printing folks who have only 1 printer and only print PLA/PETG. Dealing with bed/chamber heating times is so annoying. That is the reason my mostly used printers are small ones. However, if I had to choose only one printer, it would be one with a ~200x200mm bed. So I understand their point of view, but I don't think they understand ours. Just because they never experienced those "issues".
Not sure how accurate "random poll on twitter" is for gathering data buuuuut these printers are cute. And that green and black colour scheme is 🔥
Oh it is VERY flawed science for certain... ha.
180mm is perfect to me. 120 tho….. just too small for most of my parts. But I do still want one lol
But constantly removing parts and starting a new print is a huge pain tbh
Dead right with the "what size volume do you NEED"... I know a LOT of people who don't print ANYTHING that would exceed a 0.2's build volume. Most people aren't out there printing full scale Iron Man suits or full scale weapon replicas.
About 80% of my stuff is small enough to fit. The small printer fits my living room, the big one is sitting in the basement, so perfect combo for me.
a tiny, like micro printer, has been on my todo list for a while to have next to my PC for sub 5 minute prints like spacers which I make quiet often. Getting up and walking to my other printers takes longer than the print itself aha
I've just bought a Neptune 4 Max and honestly, the bed size really can't overshadow the print quality with default design (I will upgrade it with linear rails in the near future). That's why I want to try out building my own 3d printer, starting with the Voron 0. I was a bit concerned about the bed size, but your video made me realize what I need, not want. Voron 0 it is.
I mostly print very small parts, custom grommets with TPU, filler pieces, knobs and whatever I need for restorations. I have a neptune 3 pro, my first machine. Happy with it. But I wouldn't mind a small very fast machine. A bed volume of 5x5x5 cm would cover most parts and they would not even have to be pretty.... :) It's all on on the inside of other things anyway.
I'm even looking at printers for kids. Crude, but cheap, so I could work on restorations and have multiple filler pieces printing as I go.
I've got space for one printer and I think my Ender 3 is about the perfect size to be useful without taking up too much space. Some of the projects I've printed recently that wouldn't work on a smaller bed include a very nice 5L trash can, a sponge holder/dryer for my kitchen sink (I actually had to scale this down to fit), a pencil case, and some toys with rip cords that I had to place diagonally to get it to fit on the Ender 3. I also want to get into gridfinity or multigrid which would be very limited on such a small bed.
That said I do really like the idea of a Voron 0.2 as a secondary printer that can be used to print ABS components fast for real applications and the majority of little toys/trinkets way faster than I'm used to.
I started out with an ender 3, the original, that i found on sale for 100 euros, after about a year of printing, i decided to get a V0.1 since almost all of my prints were half the size of my ender 3 bed, and the ender broke down almost completely, i managed to resurrect it by swapping out its mobo for a ramps 1.4 and an old laptop to run klipper, and strapped a v6 hotend to the ender 3 carriage with some wire to print a temporary mount for the hotend that didn't shake like crazy, once i did that, i started printing parts for the voron, and i still use these same parts today, just a week ago the extuder mechanism broke, and i managed to print a sherpa mini out of resin, and i screwed it on top of the mini stealthburner. right now i'm printing the parts to upgrade my v0.1 to a v0.2 with this frankenstein setup, and i wouldn't do it any other way!
another thing about mini printers is that it forces you to make easily printable models that you can glue or even weld together with a soldering iron. These models will either have to be sliced to be printed in multiple pieces or adjust the size to be smaller. This makes you have to print easy models that are unlikely to fail and if they do fail, less wasted time and filament. Furthermore, yiu get amazing features for a low price. The Monoprice Mini Delta is my go to mini printer, and I LOVE IT it is fast, high quality, easy to mod and maintain, ect. Simply put, the only models that can't be done on a mini printer are large print in place models, and let's be honest, print in place is more a gimmick than anything in most cases.
Speed and accuracy of a cube frame that takes up less space for less money. I seldom use the entire build volume of my 200x200x250mm Prusa clone, and when I do I wish it was bigger. I have plans to extend it vertically, then I might just build a small, rigid H-bot for quick everyday prints.
I really consider getting a1 mini to pair with my x1c just for it's small size
If you build a voron 0, remember to not use NEMA 14 motors! I switched to LDO NEMA 17 and it can accelerate at 30000mm/s^2, when using stealthchop and running lower than rated current.
Youve kinda sold me on this. Not physically since i only have 1 printer and dont plan buying another. But youve sold me on the idea on its usefulness. The low energy consumption and print speeds is what made me go to that conclusion.
I am just getting into 3d printing and I would say a simple line.
The right tool for the right job.
I tried myself by building a few Printer (HyperCube, V0.1, Trident, Annex K3). For everyday Printing i usually use the Trident. Everday meaning i have multiple Parts on a Buildplate. For really fast prints, i stick to the K3. The Buildvolume of 180 mm³ is the Sweetspot for me, its super fast and i just love to watch the crossed gantry in motion.
The V0 is catching dust at the Moment and needs some tuning anyway. I will rebuild it eventually as i have new and shiny Filament.
I've been considering a v0.1 but it always seemed like something that could be to limited by size, even though in reality I can print 95% of the items I sell regularly on one no problem. The biggest reason I haven't pulled the trigger on building one is time. The p1p I picked up recently checked all the boxes I was looking for with a v0.1 for less $ and setup time, but I do worry about maintenance issues with it. I will definitely be building a v0.1 as soon as I finish up the Mercury One build on my Ender5+. As always, love the content!
Half the crap I print fits on my 0.2 and gets printed 4 times faster. Worth it!
Its also great that the print bed is small that i rarely have to level the bed before a print. It makes a significant difference in print time when the printing time is less than an hour.
So I just ordered the Siboor 0.2 kit (with metal parts vs colored extrusions). Specifically most of what I print are smaller things, for drones and functional parts. Figured it would be faster and more reliable than my S1 Pro. I plan on getting a multi head next year.. just not sure which one yet. Waiting on the ProForge 4 release/reviews to see how well it does. It looks a lot like a Voron e.g. accessible parts you can source and fix if need be, but 4 heads, 800mm/s print speeds (we'll see how fast it really is), etc.
When I just had my Mini, I printed 8km on it. Then I got some Troodon 2.0 machines for large parts, I still fired up the mini regularly. Now, I use V400's for smaller parts. Newer printers should get a small unit first, then a big one. Keep both.
My first printer was a Monoprice Select Mini. Loved that machine. It was super reliable and delivered pretty great quality
My second 3D printer, the first one I ever built from scratch, is a 500mm cubed machine..... I almost never use the full build volume, that being said there has been maybe 3 projects over the last couple of years that I absolutely couldn't have done without it.
It's still mind blowing to me that you can print a 3-d printer from a 3-d printer. What a time to be alive
My main motivation for a larger printer is either full build plates worth of smaller parts so I'm not constantly pulling prints off the bed, waiting for the bed to heat up/cool off and the various pre flight print_start processes. Or for the occasional large item like helmets or cosplay props in fewer pieces meaning less time joining the bits and post processing before painting.
I have a little ender that prints like a champ but it's slow and smaller than my 300^3 Trident which means I can't get as much off it in the same amount of time. I'm still looking to build a V0 someday but for me the size is more immediately useful.
I live in the UK, which means my house is tiny, so I struggle to find space for my Ender 3. I mostly print DnD terrain with it so the build volume and physical size of a V0 would be perfect. I don’t really need to be able to print ABS though and would love someone to do a kit that’s cheaper and leaves out all the enclosure, top hat and such
This is what I was thinking. If people live in cities, they probably don't have space for large machines.
You could cover building larger prints in sections and gluing, welding, bolting, etc. the sections together.
I suspect that, for many larger prints, printing the separate sections with a V0 would take less time in total than printing an unseparated piece in a larger printer.
Also, section level errors would reprint much faster than reprinting a large piece on a large printer.
Great video! people are too quick to dismiss the V0 as a viable option because of it's size, when that's actually it's strength.
also... 43?
My Prusa Mini has been able to handle 95% of my prints.
I'd really like to see a 'Voron 1' that prints roughly a 180mm plate. The 2.4 is just too big for my limited space.
PrintersForAnts do some scaled down Vorons, there is the Salad Fork, which is a scaled down Voron Trident that can do either 120 or 160mm plates, there is also the Tri-Zero with the Plus 50 mod which takes a 2.4 belted design down to 170mm!
The voron 1 already exists. The trident. It's technically the 1.9
Why. Ive been focused on a big stupid printer because i hate to merge pieces together. But you made me realize how often i spend too long trying to load up the build plate to make more things at one shot instead of printing the 1 small print i need.
I survived a year on a monoprice mini delta and I would say that is what you define as "too small", almost nothing fit on that bed
Those little guys are absolute throughput machines. Our parts are relatively small and the 120 bed is great … and we can fit multiple of these where a bigger printer would go.
Awesome! You printed the Click-n-Grow cup I put on Printables! :)
Great video as always!
My Prusa Mini+ is my work horse, all other printers have been retired. Ender 3, Ender 5 Pro, and Tevo Tornado.
I agree that V0 will print about 50-70% of parts. But if I want only one printer, then I need something bigger to satisfy my needs. I don't want to split parts and glue them later together. I'm mostly 3d printing automotive and motorcycle tuning parts. Basically anything: from little air ducts, to manifolds, adapters, cupholders, covers, buttons, mounts, brackets, holders and anything else for car or motorcycle. Actually I'm thinking about building Voron 0 but exactly 1.5 times bigger.
Also depends on where you're coming from. If you're coming from the cosplay corner, then you'll need a bigger build volume. 300 x 300 x 400 is a must! Having too many cuts in an armor piece results in misalignments and therefore you have to fill in the gaps which requires more post processing.
also more "cuts" opens up more chances for a warp to occur on a piece, resulting in many re-prints. The more of a large print you can do at once, the better.
I have a 350x350x250 Trident behind me and it takes a LONG time to heat up the chamber for ABS, but I wanted it because I want to print 60% keyboards.
I build my v0.1 for specifically faster prototyping next to my desk instead of the bigger printers I have in the basement cause I hated having to sit around for first layer checks (don't judge me lol) and when it was a small part it was nice to keep working on the cad while it was printing for fit checks. The ONE THING that annoys me about the build volume (beside my bed having a low spot which is likely my fault lol) is I often want to print things that are 130mm or so or just outside of the volume and then I have to do a cut and key or orient it weirdly or just scale it. There's way to work around it, but by and large it's enough for most of my gadgets, not to mention the building of the kit was worth it in and of itself :D
My first printer is a sunlu s8 pro with a massive build volume (31x31x40). I love having that capacity, especially the width (which is still limiting at times), but 100% most of the parts I print would fit into one of these tiny printers. And the main problem I run into with printing tiny parts on a giant printer is bed levelling. The larger the bed, the greater the difference there's going to be between even the most accurate tramming map and the actual bed; this has no greater impact than in the very middle of the bed, where small parts are usually printed.
I have an old Flashforge Finder (140mm^3) and recently also built a Voron Trident (250^3) and I find, build-volume-wise, that the Finder prints almost everything I want to print. I went with the 250 spec Voron because I really didn't *need* any more than about 180mm^3, and there's not a spec Voron for that.
I'm starting to really think the Voron team should consider something between the 0.2 and 2.4/Trident 250mm. Something like a 180mm machine would probably become my most used rather quickly...
@@MandicReally Members of the Voron Team have developed smaller printers based on the stock printers. There's the Micron+ that's 180mm^3 (think V2), and the Salad Fork which comes in at 160mm^3 (think Trident). I saw mention of a Halfwire (think Prusa Mini mashed up with Switchwire) but I'm not sure if it was a one-off or if it is in development.
I was originally thinking about a Salad Fork for my next printer, but I have a 250 V1.8 frame kicking around that is yearning to be turned into something... So that may end up turning into a Legacy of some variety.
My v0.1 has 842 hours, 1020 jobs, and 6km of filament used in about 8 months at speeds around a bamboo p1p ... My 2.4 built at the same time (and printed by the v0.1) has half as much time on it. If I have something to print and it fits, it typically goes to the v0
since making my Tiny-m a 150x150x150 printer it's has very quickly taken over as the one that is always on and ready to print. I have just finished the enclosure and getting ready for asa - abs prints and it's the only actually enclosed printer I have. It's just perfect for quick test prints like you said because it heats up in no time and can print very fast. This is my 10th printer and the 3rd I have self sourced and made and I never want to go back to a cheap box printer again.
Tiny-M REALLY is interesting to me, but hasn't been updated in a bit that I've seen. I'd probably want 0.2 aesthetics, which would be a big project on my part that I don't have time for...
@@MandicReally the rev 5 is currently in development so perhaps take a look at then when it's ready.
It fulfills the urge to own a fancy dust collector pretty well
could you say then that a voron 0 is a great 2nd printer when the reasoning for the 2nd printer is that 1 printer just doesn't quite have enough throughput for rapid prototyping
Yea, that was a point I had intended to make but didn't want to drag out the conclusion. To me the V0 is an excellent "2nd" printer. Have another machine that can handle the bigger stuff, but the small one to pump out rapid parts. When I first started using my V0 that was how it was. It was the "small" sibling to my Prusa Mk3 & Ender 3, that slowly eclipsed those machines entirely.
I got fascinated with Voron around Christmas, and built a V0.1/2 this spring because I wanted all of the project part without as much expense. At the time I fully intended to give it a few months and then start looking into a Trident, but ... I'll be honest, now I'm fascinated with these little printers, so I might redirect to one of the printers for ants in the 180mm range (such as a Micron or scaled Tiny-T).
VZbot vz150 time?
@@ballbous :-). I think there may be advantages to sticking within a specific ecosystem for the first couple builds! Also, while I'll have to think on it, my current inclination is towards something more in the 180mm area, because it's a nice split between 120mm and 250mm.
I had a small printer as my first printer, the Monoprice Voxel (rebranded Adventurer 3). 150x150x150 was its build volume, nice, fully enclosed little printer...noisy as hell though. I generally used it as my "test" printer for a single design as well as my portable printer when traveling to shows (Train Swap Meets). I decided to sell it since what I had been printing was all too big for it, HO scale buildings were not going to fit in a 150mm area. Also mass producing multiple items also wasn't feasible either, could get 1 or 2 on it, but the bigger printers I had (Twin Neptune 2S) could do 10+ instead.
However the Voron 0's there are the same price as that Voxel was, but clearly faster. The only benefit I really see a Voxel 0 having is entirely in the speed department, if you can manage to get said print to fit in the small 120x120 plate. Portability might be a draw too, since its small and enclosed to begin with, it would travel well.
However the Voron 2.4, at least at the 350 version does seem to be quite beneficial even at its high price point. Because it brings both high speed AND large build volume together. Then there is the X-1, that with the AMS is cheaper then the 2.4, 100mm smaller in build volume but really can't beat that ability to print in Color. There is the Pallet 3 System that allows up to 8 colors on any printer to be used, but thats another extra, fairly spendy thing. No idea how well it would work in conjunction with a Voron printer.
I see small (fast) printers like I see big printers… amazing to augment a primary printer, but not great as your first one since they fill a bit of a niche. A Voron 0 would make a great second printer, just as the Neptune 3 Max does (just different ends of the spectrum)… but I’ll always recommend a solid mid-volume printer as a first (workhorse) printer.
Yea, I wanted to make that point but didn't want to run the video longer. It isn't what I'd recommend for your ONLY printer, but an excellent 2nd printer.
I don't have one of these but I would say 90% of the things I print would fit on one. If I had any need for multiple printers one of them would probably be a small one like that.
There are very few things that I print normally that won't fit on a V0 bed. Most of the ones that won't fit on the V0 will fit on a 160mm Salad Fork (a small V0 like variant of the Voron Trident). Portability and convenience are other factors. Perhaps the larger printer must be put in the garage or a less convent to access place. The small printer can sit closer to where you design and work. The small printer is also easy to transport and show off, take to the local club or group for a presentation. It's also less likely to shake out of alignment in use. Even dropping one on it's head didn't do much damage (Nero). The small printer is also available while the big printer is busy to try out that new idea you just had. :)
I got a cR10 V3 with „little“ Mods. About 90% of my parts fits into the V0 which was the reason why I decided to get one. Now I barely use my CR10 anymore 😅
Holy crap what a perfectly balanced and informative video, now I want to finish mine lol
As someone who mainly uses FDM for wargaming terrain, and bases, etc. Build volume is everything but for someone prototyping small parts using a finicky filament, and needing to print more than 3 pieces a week I can definitely see the advantages of a small and fast FDM printer.
Most of my stuff fits on my ender 3, but making an a4 book cover to suffice my bookbinding addiction is a no go.
But those Vorons look so cool😍
A rather simple addon can negate the enclosure heating time difference. One can get a used hair dryer for a few dollars, or even free. Slight case modification, a relay, and a temperature sensor/switch (but an Arduino is a better way) - and you've got yourselves a printing enclosure temperature booster. Then, your enclosure could be ready in a minute or two.
Older underpowered-for-today hair dryers are a better option, because it is easier to control the potential temperature spikes; food dehydrator is also an option (due to a weaker heating element, and thus "safer"). And needless to say, have a triple you-built-it safeties (ideally, on top of the dryer built-in ones), ideally only have it on to heat the inside air while you're physically present (first few layers), and only to a reasonable air temperatures (consider hair dryer's and your printer's components and build materials).
If you cannot fathom at least 10 ways in which you can mess up this project/addon and fail - (and their succesful fixes) - better ye not undertake this project.
I make a ton of gears and small builds in general so I don't need a bigger printer, enough said for me, and a small printer is always more reliable and live longer than large ones. That's exactly why Voron V2.4 isn't trying to reach 400mm cubic.
v0 and my bambu are my main workhorses right now. I can get much better surface quality from my v0. Bambu prints reliably and the parts function, but cannot be tuned as well as the voron because of the input shaper. VFAS etc.
I first built a v2 a year ago and just recently finished my v0... after finishing the v0 I find I am using it almost exclusively unless I want to print something larger than its build volume. My guess is what you are 47 yrs old.
I've got a Prusa Mini because I don't have a lot of space in my home. While a bit large at 18cm cubed, I don't think I ever printed a part larger than 12cm cubed.
A small Voron is certainly on my list considering the speeds possible with that thing.,
Great points. If it could print to a height of 250mm it would probably allow me to print even more on this footprint.
I have a Silhouette Alta+. Teensy build volume. I’ve considered selling it, to upgrade to a Bambu X1C and Elegoo Neptune 3 Max. I also have an FLSun Speed Racer in storage (long story).
Still, I’ve come up with a number of ideas for things I can print on the Silhouette. After all, if I ever have a 3D print garden, each print can be busy with something, thus adding speed.
I do, however, really consider the Silhouette to be on the level of a kitchen appliance, for making cookie cutters though.😂
I have an Artillery Genius, and most of my prints would fit on a smaller machine. Knowing this, if I buy a new machine I clearly prefer a small one, which will offer me better quality for the same price than a larger printer.
My largest print volume is 250^3 on my Biqu BX. I currently have 4 "mini" printers - a Prusa Mini, my Voron 0.1, and two Kingroon KP3Ss (a V1 and a Pro V2) and they print 90% of what I need and my Ender 3s and BX take care of the remaning 10%. But if a 350mm Voron 2.4 kit showed up at my doorstep, I certainly wouldn't turn it down :)
Thata the first question i ask when somebody wants a printet or suggests one. What are going to do with it? How large are the items? If you are going to do functional abs part your ender 3 is pretty pointless, even with all metal hotend and enclosure, its just not built for that usage. Same goes the opposite way, pla prototypes or cosply. A qidi i fast as example is also wasted money since its not good for pla.
For size i only ask if its out of the ordinary, like above 300mm since the drawbacks of large printers become really apparent aftet 300mm
I could understand a 180-150mm for a bedslinger to have some 15k accel and short prints, not on a corexy.
The majority of my prints fit on a V0 bed, the other prints? Well that's why I have a Sunlu S9+. Hopefully that'll get replaced with a 350 2.4 soon...
My first impression of the V0 was that it was a throwback to the old makerbot cupcake.
Right now I'm in the process of making a Hadley telescope. The parts for this fit on my Ender3 with a bit of space left over (but not much). The Hadley is a 4.25" (mirror size) scope. I'd like to scale this up to a 6.5" mirror (which I will try to grind myself). A scaled up design for this might fit on the ender3, though I might have the cut some of the parts in half on the cad model, print them, and glue them together. So the Voron 0 would be too small for this.
However, I have also 3D printed a chess set. THAT would fit on the Voron, and I could easily print several pieces at a time. (I didn't do that on the Ender, too much stringing between the parts (PETG). I could probably tune the extraction, flow rate, and filament temp to control this, I just haven't bothered yet.
the only thing that is kind of sad is you can no longer do overnight prints 😅 which feel like a underutilization of it. like every part is sub 2hr
my take on this is probably don’t get v0 as your 1st printer as it can be hard to tune (unless you are in a dorm than the smol footprint is super nice). get a bambu if you are not interested in tuning printer and a E3 otherwise (not actually sure if there are better choice on this one, when I started E3 is still the king). with that said v0 are awesome second printer since it require some tuning but not too much tuning and complements a larger printer nicely. after that it is pretty much personal judgement and I plan to build a voron 2.4 from v0
You need to risk it and print stuff oriented vertically, just enough time for overnight printing with a plate full of stuff.
My first(so far only) printer is a prusa mini, and while I think more than half of the stuff I've made could be printed on a voron 0, the thing I've made in highest quantity (a part similar to shelf brackets), would not fit in the smaller build volume.
I think Voron 0 is a good size for a third or fourth printer, after you can already print any single thing you need, but need more speed or capacity.
That color scheme on your own voron 0 build is so nice, its making me want to build one even tho ive only use a prusa mk3 thus far
Oh man this is escalating quickly. I think my klipperized ender 3 s1 pro and X1C power duo needs a tiny sibling to bring some color to this livingroom. My gut says it has to be red, but should I try something different.... racing green maybe...
now I kinda want one as small as in the thumbnail...
I also run a v0.1/2 (its a frankenstein v0.1) I also run an open source project where none of the parts fit in the V0 so i mostly use my trident for that, but that doesn't mean the V0 doesnt get used i still use it for all my personal and or fun bits when my big printer is in use.
i LOVE my Voron 0.2
its so cool , its so easy to take it with you, ive taken mine to seferal friends houses, mine prints at 800mm/s so its really FAST and its not That expensive (formbot kit all in roughly 550€)
and its a fun challenge to do in your free time and its just cool
If it’s the only machine you have, then yes , a bigger printer is a must, especially with limited design capabilities. I3 size is the default for many existing design on Thingiverse or elsewhere. Anything beyond that is optional. I started with a too small printer and regretted it.
I got a creality ender 3 s1 and a voron 0.1. I use almost exclusively my voron 0.1, for drone parts and other small 3d prints. I used the creality for building the voron though
3:14 that is why i bught my voron0.1 -0.2 the head part looks like your 0.1 because it is in my car , its a really portable printer.
As a trucker this thing is perfect
so ... how many of those people are printing objects of that size strictly due to how long it takes. what would they be printing if they had the speed and accuracy of a voron?
First video ive seen from you, subbed! love the humor and how fast you fire off great info
Follically challenged people FTW! I always tell people my oversized brain pushed all my hair out, no room. 🙂 For small 3d printers, another point worth mentioning is improvements in slicing software. These days it's easier than ever to break bigger models down into smaller pieces right from the slicer, without needing to be a CAD expert. TinkerCad is also incredibly accessible, even to idiots like me. So we have loads of options for making big things into small pieces.