Every time some old person gets a heart attack and the staff drag him back behind closed doors instead of outside to the ambulance, shits going down haha
@@el34glo59 He was close to the Mob in life, he would casually eat at Frank's clubs. He said "I asked Franky if he could come over and say hello because I was with this beautiful girl and wanted to hit it out of the park. I go back to my table and a little while later Franky comes over and says how are you doing Don? I turned to him and said can't you see I am with somebody get the hell out of here, Frank started laughing hysterically then called his security over. They picked me up and carried me out of the club, Frank turned on a lot of people, but never me."
But he would get the money. It's just that the money would be used to pay for the hammer. What? You think that kind of labour comes cheap? Think again! Quality hammer work is expensive.
@@juliusraben3526 not as good a scene as something from SPR or TGTBATU, ill throw in Apocalypse Now, Heat and Blade Runner scenes that also blow this away
The only thing I don't like about this seen. Black Jack dealers don't look at their cards. Until everyone else at the table has turned their cards over.
I found it unbelievable that these guys won so much pre-inflation money before drawing heat. I counted cards for a living for over three years in the late 90's. I drew heat for betting as little as $200 a hand. By then there wasn't much if any hand-smashing and so forth going on, or I would not have risked it.
I love how the casinos are running a game designed to cheat you out of your money but feel entitled to keep you from using a tactic to lower the odds of them cheating you out of your money. Gambling is degenerate.
@@Peglegkickboxer But gambling online is smart? No. Unless you consider gambling a pastime, and the money spent on it to be simply the cost of the experience, and spend your money within your means, you're a degenerate gambler. Doesn't matter where you practice your degenerate gambling you are still a degenerate gambler.
Worked in a bookies in Salford England in my teens soon sussed it was a mugs game. 4 paying in windows and 1 paying out..... Soon learned, guys in the 80, s would sell there mothers for a bet.... Sad 😔 where was the help for them in those days.
I thought they were going to use the happy birthday song as a distraction while they zapped the cheating guy. But the way it’s edited, it appears they didn’t even need the song as a distraction. Because they waited until it was over then zapped the guy and everyone who was watching the sparkles on the cake turned and gasped when the guy flung around like a fish on a hook and got carried away. So… no real need for Mr. Happy?
The reason they were told to tell the cops he got hit by a car, which is not stated in the movie explicitly,is because basically the hand was a show for the new guy. The bearded one was going to get pushed into traffic. That's why you don't screw around with house money. If you win honest,you are going to be ok. But when you play stupid games,you win stupid prizes.
When Don Rickles say “You can count your winnings at the office..” it’s a joke! “Bad mistake” means sorry i got caught… “Good mistake” means i’ll do it again… Guy with broken hand: “…now when do i get the money?” De Niro: “You talking to me…”
They shoulda inflicted more physical harm on the doofus with the glasses and blue suit instead of the card trickster. But I see why they smashed his hand if anything, since he was the one who would actually commit the “cheating”. But in the end, they were all fuckin’ cheating.
Did you miss the line at the end where he says to throw him in the alley and tell the cops he got hit by a car. I assure you he got what was coming to him; just not with a hammer
Dude you don't know how that actually goes then. When he says "Tell the cops he got hit by a car" That wasn't just a line. Why do you think he told them to take him to the Alley? The hand was just an appetizer, just to send the message to the new guy.the main course was next. Beardy wasn't walking away with just a broken hand. or walking anywhere again. Remember that he hit them for over $100,000. Back then that was serious coin. Most likely they were going to throw him out into traffic. It's why I never play cards in a casino. Las Vegas/Atlantic City,same thing same people. You don't screw around with the house money.
I broke my hand in a light industrial accident 17 years ago and no it hasn’t or ever will heal to 100%. I’d say mine is 75% and as I’m getting older I’m sure arthritis will affect it more too.
I'm not so sure how it's such a huge advantage to see a hole card. First of all, the only time they look at the hole card is when an ace is showing, so that's one out of every 13 hands on average. And if it is a bust card, like an ace and a 5, it's still a soft six with the dealer getting two shots to make a hand. And being that you have to bet before the cards come out, how does hustling blackjack like this work exactly?
These people are very smart, and are good at probability. They likely remember when facecards are played, how many were played, etc, and by knowing the hole card, they know their probability of winning. If the probability looks good, they bet high.
You're talking about counting cards. That's not what is being portrayed here. It was made clear through the narration of this scene that this scam centered on seeing the hole card. I guess the guy playing could also be counting and this is just an extra little boost to give their scam more bite. Still, simply seeing the hole card only when a dealer is showing an ace after you've already placed your bet doesn't seem like a bankable edge to have in itself.
any "ten" card or ace is when they look, so it's about 38.5% of the time. This is also when the house is at it's strongest position. Knowing the hole card is a huge advantage because 1) you'll know if the house is really 'weak' (showing a ten and hole card is a 5) so you won't hit and go bust, or 2) you'll know when the house is strong (showing a ten and hole card is a ten) so you should hit even if you've got 17.
I don't think there's a specific name for them. They're just an electronic device that responds to a remote signal, by tapping the guy's leg lightly. He would then count the number of taps, to signify the hole-card's value, between 1 and 10. 1 tap would be an ace ( valued at 1 or 11 ), 2 taps for a 2, and so on, up to 10 taps for a 10 or face card. Then the guy can add that number to whatever the dealer's face up card is, and determine how to proceed. What's not shown in this movie, though, is that it's still not fool-proof, since both he and dealer are still subject to the luck of the draw, in a lot of instances. So "He always guesses right" is still not entirely realistic.
@@HisRoyalFreshness163 That's literally not possible in blackjack. This isn't like poker, where you bet multiple times or fold. You have to place your bet to even see the cards. Once you have, you're locked in. You don't know if you can win, until you've placed your bet. And you can't know if the dealer is going to win, because there's drawing involved. The only thing knowing the hole card does, is tell you if you can beat the dealer with what you already have. If say, you have 17, and the dealer's face up is an 8, normally, you would assume that the dealer has 18 ( always assume the hole card is a 10 ), but knowing that their face down card is is an 8 or less, means you know they'll have to draw, and you can possibly bust them out. However, if you can confirm it's a 10, then you know your 17 can not win, and you may have to draw and hope for a very low card. Problem is...you're still at the mercy of luck, because you'd still have to GET a very low card to not bust yourself. Or if they have to draw, then they can still draw up to a winning hand without busting. And knowing the value of the face down card, does not affect this at all. The system in this scene can absolutely help the player win more often than playing legitimately, and is definitely warranting intervention, but it's not going to make nearly the difference depicted here, because of the effects of the luck of the draw. He's still going to lose a fair number of hands. And he still can't possibly "guess right every time" unless he knows what the next cards drawn will be. And that's literally not possible. Especially with their set-up. In Blackjack, the house's edge comes in the form of there being situations where you literally can not win. Situations where you will either draw to a bust, or stay and be beaten by the dealer's hand. Situations like the dealer having a 9 showing with a 10 down, and me having a 15. If I stay, their 19 beats me. If I draw, I get a 10 and bust out. There's literally no way to win this hand, and I only choose whether the dealer beats me, or I beat myself. Ergo, this particular method of cheating would never be worth using, since the difference it makes is negligible at absolute best. Though it still makes for a great cinematic scene. Just not a realistic one.
@@HisRoyalFreshness163 Indeed. It helps to know I'm a well-seasoned casino gambler, with particular fondness for blackjack, Craps ( the dice game ), and Pai Gow.
Si le ganas al casino es porque son muy estúpidos. Si pierden en dónde está su inteligencia para hacerte perder. Cuál es el chiste entonces solo ir a perder dinero ?
Hire better dealers who aren't weak and men like me won't be in your casino. I would of loved if the the guy in the suit had the balls to say something like that to Ace when he threatened him.
when your at a casino, and the happy birthday song or you hear comes on, some one is getting zapped by a cattle prod.
Og
Yooy
Every time some old person gets a heart attack and the staff drag him back behind closed doors instead of outside to the ambulance, shits going down haha
🤣🤣🤣
That'd be awesome 👌
The way the music builds up with that rumbling bass and wah wah guitar to the shock and then drops down, just amazing
Oh, that was music ?
What a freaking racket !
@@richardswann5300 happy 108th birthday!
Rod Stewart singing with Jeff Beck’s wah-wah guitar ;)
Agreed
The way those girls sang "Happy Birthday" was pretty good too 👍
Send over a bottle of champagne , something real nice in the shape of a hammer 😂😂😂
Don Rickles played a great gangster in this movie. How he survived the aftermath of the fall of the Vegas mob is beyond me.
Rickles was a comedian and actor. In with sinatra. Kept his gob shut 😒. And had a good life...no need to be clipped like sinatra. 👍
@@jonsigsworth8788 Sinatra clipped? Lol. Not dying in his 80s?
@@jgray1711 that's when they whack you - when you least expect it
Rickles was not a gangster in this
@@el34glo59 He was close to the Mob in life, he would casually eat at Frank's clubs. He said "I asked Franky if he could come over and say hello because I was with this beautiful girl and wanted to hit it out of the park. I go back to my table and a little while later Franky comes over and says how are you doing Don? I turned to him and said can't you see I am with somebody get the hell out of here, Frank started laughing hysterically then called his security over. They picked me up and carried me out of the club, Frank turned on a lot of people, but never me."
Imagine if the guy said “I’ll have the money and the hammer” and then he realizes he was only getting the hammer 💀
i may have thought about it for a second
😂
But he would get the money. It's just that the money would be used to pay for the hammer. What? You think that kind of labour comes cheap? Think again! Quality hammer work is expensive.
They might have changed their minds and given him the saw instead of the hammer....lol
He would have got a hammer to the head not the hand. Moneys no good when you're dead
Big crooks bullying little crooks!
Right ?
Right ?
Rothstein had this all coordinated well. They taught those guys a good lesson.
one of the best scenes of all films
It was a good scenen, but compare it to the intro of Saving Private Ryan or final scene from the Good, Bad and Ugly?
Frankie and Nicky getting beaten to death was another one.
@@juliusraben3526 definitely not
@@starwarsroo2448 definitely not what ?
@@juliusraben3526 not as good a scene as something from SPR or TGTBATU, ill throw in Apocalypse Now, Heat and Blade Runner scenes that also blow this away
He got it pretty easy compared to his friend who got his hand smashed.
boredstudent the suits guy was an actual producer of the film.
But no money :(
Cause it wasnt the first time his friend did it
considering they would really kill them irl they did get lucky
The casino won in the end because it got the money that he was supposed to win
If you want the money, you get the hammer, the next one is going to be the saw.
The only thing I don't like about this seen. Black Jack dealers don't look at their cards. Until everyone else at the table has turned their cards over.
RIP Don Rickles.
Donald Jay Rickles (May 8, 1926 - April 6, 2017)
He was a funny potato head
Took no prisoners.
@@rasul407 that wasn't funny, ya hockey puck 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Never been in a casino in my entire life...after this I'm not sure I want to.
I found it unbelievable that these guys won so much pre-inflation money before drawing heat. I counted cards for a living for over three years in the late 90's. I drew heat for betting as little as $200 a hand. By then there wasn't much if any hand-smashing and so forth going on, or I would not have risked it.
Why did you stop counting cards
I love how the casinos are running a game designed to cheat you out of your money but feel entitled to keep you from using a tactic to lower the odds of them cheating you out of your money. Gambling is degenerate.
@@jamespfitz it's not degenerate when it's fair and idiots arent bettering everything they own on it. Gambling at a casino is stupid
@@Peglegkickboxer But gambling online is smart? No. Unless you consider gambling a pastime, and the money spent on it to be simply the cost of the experience, and spend your money within your means, you're a degenerate gambler. Doesn't matter where you practice your degenerate gambling you are still a degenerate gambler.
Worked in a bookies in Salford England in my teens soon sussed it was a mugs game. 4 paying in windows and 1 paying out..... Soon learned, guys in the 80, s would sell there mothers for a bet.... Sad 😔 where was the help for them in those days.
2:05 those sparkles would make so many little holes on that table felt lol
I thought they were going to use the happy birthday song as a distraction while they zapped the cheating guy. But the way it’s edited, it appears they didn’t even need the song as a distraction. Because they waited until it was over then zapped the guy and everyone who was watching the sparkles on the cake turned and gasped when the guy flung around like a fish on a hook and got carried away. So… no real need for Mr. Happy?
He didn't blow the candles out
Jeff Beck never sounded so sinister.
@@pperezklein
Ain't Superstitious, I believe.
Cattleprods? Hammers? Saws? Shit...they wouldn't have had to tell me twice to NOT come back. WOW!
fwdthinker hahaha ha!
The pit boss with the cattle prod is Dick Warlock (Michael Myers in Halloween 2)
"...and that's how I walked out of the casino with the money and even got a brand-new hammer for free"
Garth didn't get his hand smashed in.
party on Garth
The best Casino part...EVER!
Only a tough guy with security. You can't take the law into your own hands. Security and the casino bosses should be arrested.
The casino was run by the mob and you're talking about taking the law into your own hands. They were lucky they didn't end up buried somewhere.
Jim Pimmers Talking more to all the people here saying that's what happens to cheaters.
Back in those days even worse happened. You're not putting it into context of Vegas and the time period.
Jim Pimmers Don't just talking about people's reactions and how they think it's some knid of rough justice. I don't agree with that.
@@alcoholandfun243 shut the fuck up bitchboy,
"Look what they did to my hand man"
Yes. Yes that was said.
Love that line.😇
Always reminds me of Look What They Did To My Song, Ma.
Whatsamattawithya!
dan eDan enjoy your craft beer and your waxed mustache.
“We got a cardiac arrest, here.”
“He’s fine folks, just give us some room.”
What?
The reason they were told to tell the cops he got hit by a car, which is not stated in the movie explicitly,is because basically the hand was a show for the new guy. The bearded one was going to get pushed into traffic. That's why you don't screw around with house money. If you win honest,you are going to be ok. But when you play stupid games,you win stupid prizes.
That was a trick question, if you decide to get the money and the hammer, you can’t walk out of there
"BJ19, second base, the beard."
That was a fancy way of saying to fuck up the guy with the beard :)
Blackjack 19 (table)
Second base (location at table in relation to the dealer)
The beard (self-explanatory)
He never flinches his fingers even after the first hammer blow.
In the director's cut, Sam says to the crook: "Now lay out your hands, spread your fingers, and don't move or else!"
Never saw that. But it would be impossible not to flinch your fingers and you can see it is a fake hand prop.
@@MrK623
No! Really? I thought they just smash the shit out of actors' hands.
Yes, I'll take the money and the hammer please.
okay here's the hammer then....TO THE HEAD...lol
When Don Rickles say “You can count your winnings at the office..” it’s a joke!
“Bad mistake” means sorry i got caught…
“Good mistake” means i’ll do it again…
Guy with broken hand: “…now when do i get the money?”
De Niro: “You talking to me…”
Thank God for your cc I didn't know half the stuff he says
4:27 I don't feel sorry for the guy, but I do feel morally outraged on his behalf that his buddy got off Scott free.
Hurting them wasn't the point. Sending the message that they will hurt you was. They didn't need to injury both guys to send that message.
getting the two balloonheads pissed at each other is a nice little cherry
They shoulda inflicted more physical harm on the doofus with the glasses and blue suit instead of the card trickster. But I see why they smashed his hand if anything, since he was the one who would actually commit the “cheating”.
But in the end, they were all fuckin’ cheating.
Did you miss the line at the end where he says to throw him in the alley and tell the cops he got hit by a car. I assure you he got what was coming to him; just not with a hammer
Look how they massacred my hand
Nice Godfather tie in
Armstrong and Friday will keep you honest at the casino. If you're not, the police report will say your hand got hit by a car.
Casino is in my top 3 movies of all-time
The others being Sister Act 2 and Bareback Mountain.
Yeah, he got hit by a car in his hand multiple times, but everything else is fine. lol
George Washington is a convincing man
"Hi cops, oh yeah he got by a car... well, his hand did, at least."
Dude you don't know how that actually goes then. When he says "Tell the cops he got hit by a car" That wasn't just a line. Why do you think he told them to take him to the Alley? The hand was just an appetizer, just to send the message to the new guy.the main course was next. Beardy wasn't walking away with just a broken hand. or walking anywhere again. Remember that he hit them for over $100,000. Back then that was serious coin. Most likely they were going to throw him out into traffic. It's why I never play cards in a casino. Las Vegas/Atlantic City,same thing same people. You don't screw around with the house money.
Better to lose the money and keep your hand, he made the right choice.
Yeah?
@@Dandan-qm4xb Hard to recover from that sort of injury, his hand wouldn't work right for the rest of his life.
He probably broke his hand...and yes I twisted my hand and it doesn't work as it used to . Imagine a broken hand is worst than my injury. 😳
Probably his jackoff hand, so he said I'll just leave.
I figure he picked a smart choice cuz he can just cheat other casinos out for money!
Damn, Garth sure had a dark past before meeting up with Wayne in Aurora!
This came out after Wayne's World.
Old guy with bouffant looked a grandad but was the most Savage one in there
Look at what they did to my resolution!
That's where I go for my power tools
Rosenthal was nice. Imagine if Nicky found out.
You would have been in the trunk of a car
@@smdsoldering You'd be rehearsing with a SHINE BOX lol.
Was this filmed from the moon
Will that hand eventually heal to 100%?
No, not really.
MikeDunn Hopefully not
Hopefully not
Never does.
I broke my hand in a light industrial accident 17 years ago and no it hasn’t or ever will heal to 100%. I’d say mine is 75% and as I’m getting older I’m sure arthritis will affect it more too.
Micheal Myers (Dick Warlock) with a cattle prod for the win!!
he was the android too in halloween 3 season of the witch
@Teixeirapictures
I Ain't Superstitious by Jeff Beck
Was this uploaded under water?
Man Down! 😂😂😂😂
if you're a righty he's frank "LEFTY" Rosenthal
People were murdered for this , the movie leaves that detail out
geez he refused 100k just to keep his hand? what a doofus
not sure the bday distraction worked since he waited til WAY AFTER for the applause to end before zappn em'
Honestly... I would have taken the money. No pain, no gain.
They lied
Dudes hand caused all this
110 k and a busted hand I might the money..but I have a feeling they wouldn't stick to the deal
Money and hammer or walk out????
That's funny
*hand broken into 500 pieces*
HE GOT HIT BY A CAR
I bet casino still do this to this day.
At that time period Irl they used the saw one hand all the time. You can spot old cheats in Vegas by that lack of a hand or fingers.
You can have the money and hammer😅
💟💟
♥️♥️♥️
Hello cheater, I want to play a game...
Hopefully Mike Postle is make example of by Rothstein
Great comment!
3:12 when your Pal had a hand of 5 +4 in One the game of color cards
I might be gullible and stupid.
But I'm not an adulterer
What does it mean to count cards?
You see that saw we're gonna fucking use it
We dont fuck around in here
Did the bearded dude look Sam in the eyes and not get spooked?
Rules are simple.
You cheat. You get hurt. Big Time
Zero tolerance to cheating I see.
I thought the old dude pulled out a vibrator
We used to own a former saw mill.
AM I A "CHEATER?"
I would've gave my left fucking hand for all that fucking money!
Yeah, sure you would have!
i would have taken the money and hammer
Cool story bro.
Rob ass
no way he was walking out with the money either way
You'd be walking out of there without a head if you chose the money
Lmao
He would had gave them the money if he took the hammer too
Im not guilty of cheating
Im just blind and stupid
I would have to the hammer and the money
I'm not so sure how it's such a huge advantage to see a hole card. First of all, the only time they look at the hole card is when an ace is showing, so that's one out of every 13 hands on average. And if it is a bust card, like an ace and a 5, it's still a soft six with the dealer getting two shots to make a hand. And being that you have to bet before the cards come out, how does hustling blackjack like this work exactly?
These people are very smart, and are good at probability.
They likely remember when facecards are played, how many were played, etc, and by knowing the hole card, they know their probability of winning.
If the probability looks good, they bet high.
You're talking about counting cards. That's not what is being portrayed here. It was made clear through the narration of this scene that this scam centered on seeing the hole card. I guess the guy playing could also be counting and this is just an extra little boost to give their scam more bite. Still, simply seeing the hole card only when a dealer is showing an ace after you've already placed your bet doesn't seem like a bankable edge to have in itself.
@@JohnLoCicero they look anytime they have an ace orrr 10/face card showing
any "ten" card or ace is when they look, so it's about 38.5% of the time. This is also when the house is at it's strongest position. Knowing the hole card is a huge advantage because 1) you'll know if the house is really 'weak' (showing a ten and hole card is a 5) so you won't hit and go bust, or 2) you'll know when the house is strong (showing a ten and hole card is a ten) so you should hit even if you've got 17.
I’ll take the hammer and money FUCK IT!
What are the things they're wearing on their legs called? Is it just a wire? Or is there an actual name.
I don't think there's a specific name for them. They're just an electronic device that responds to a remote signal, by tapping the guy's leg lightly. He would then count the number of taps, to signify the hole-card's value, between 1 and 10. 1 tap would be an ace ( valued at 1 or 11 ), 2 taps for a 2, and so on, up to 10 taps for a 10 or face card. Then the guy can add that number to whatever the dealer's face up card is, and determine how to proceed.
What's not shown in this movie, though, is that it's still not fool-proof, since both he and dealer are still subject to the luck of the draw, in a lot of instances. So "He always guesses right" is still not entirely realistic.
@@Hero_of_Legend "he always guesses right" would also apply to the player choosing not to bet when the dealer was gonna win
@@HisRoyalFreshness163 That's literally not possible in blackjack. This isn't like poker, where you bet multiple times or fold. You have to place your bet to even see the cards. Once you have, you're locked in. You don't know if you can win, until you've placed your bet. And you can't know if the dealer is going to win, because there's drawing involved.
The only thing knowing the hole card does, is tell you if you can beat the dealer with what you already have. If say, you have 17, and the dealer's face up is an 8, normally, you would assume that the dealer has 18 ( always assume the hole card is a 10 ), but knowing that their face down card is is an 8 or less, means you know they'll have to draw, and you can possibly bust them out. However, if you can confirm it's a 10, then you know your 17 can not win, and you may have to draw and hope for a very low card.
Problem is...you're still at the mercy of luck, because you'd still have to GET a very low card to not bust yourself. Or if they have to draw, then they can still draw up to a winning hand without busting. And knowing the value of the face down card, does not affect this at all.
The system in this scene can absolutely help the player win more often than playing legitimately, and is definitely warranting intervention, but it's not going to make nearly the difference depicted here, because of the effects of the luck of the draw. He's still going to lose a fair number of hands. And he still can't possibly "guess right every time" unless he knows what the next cards drawn will be. And that's literally not possible. Especially with their set-up.
In Blackjack, the house's edge comes in the form of there being situations where you literally can not win. Situations where you will either draw to a bust, or stay and be beaten by the dealer's hand. Situations like the dealer having a 9 showing with a 10 down, and me having a 15. If I stay, their 19 beats me. If I draw, I get a 10 and bust out. There's literally no way to win this hand, and I only choose whether the dealer beats me, or I beat myself.
Ergo, this particular method of cheating would never be worth using, since the difference it makes is negligible at absolute best. Though it still makes for a great cinematic scene. Just not a realistic one.
@@Hero_of_Legend huh I never knew that. Good to know, cheers.
@@HisRoyalFreshness163 Indeed. It helps to know I'm a well-seasoned casino gambler, with particular fondness for blackjack, Craps ( the dice game ), and Pai Gow.
@MSavage59 no u wont
2:01 the girl singing Rlmao
Is that Dick Warlock(Michael Myers from Halloween 2) @ 1:54?
Yes, Halloween 2 & Halloween 3.
Amazing! He was the stunt double for Kurt Russell in Escape from NY as well. Dick f'n Warlock!
They should have gave Tom Brady the same treatment after he got caught cheating.
Robert de Niro play’s has parts will
I guess you can't read my comment or something
Get me mr happy lol
Jeff Beck
The moral of this story or any other story is WOMEN always fuck everything up lol.
Si le ganas al casino es porque son muy estúpidos. Si pierden en dónde está su inteligencia para hacerte perder. Cuál es el chiste entonces solo ir a perder dinero ?
I can't believe the casino would do that to these two guys. They're fucking Heroes in my book.
They did so back then. Not just from this movie, I saw it in a documentary before.
.......cheaters are your heroes?........ Eh, UA-cam logic.
Hire better dealers who aren't weak and men like me won't be in your casino. I would of loved if the the guy in the suit had the balls to say something like that to Ace when he threatened him.
Now tables have peekers (a small mirror that allows the dealer to see the card without lifting it.) So that's a non issue.
funny,but such BS
I would took the money and hammer
No you wouldn't, you pussy.
I would have taken the money and the hammer.
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