I agree....I also think this is true.........BUT...since they change the story and way of playing the game..They can change this..I hope they do..because I adore Aeris....I want her Back!.....LOL..Cloud and Aeris make the perfect couple...whos with me..we want Aeris back!...Great video.
While I appreciate your time and effort put into this video, we will never know exactly what happened until part 3 is released. We shouldn't be stating things as fact, since everything is still a theory until clarified. While your opinion of the ending is valid, others who say Aerith is alive also has merit and possibly hold more weight from what the game has shown thus far. A few examples being Cloud and Aerith are still in a coma in one of Zacks worlds, (terrier world) indicating part 3 will explore this part of the story even further. We also saw a rainbow effect Cloud created when saving Aerith, as well as Aerith saying to Cloud in the ending fight "I saw what you did for me back there Cloud, thank you." The terrier world also has Marlene insisting Zack saves Cloud so that Cloud can save Aerith. There would be 0 point to any of these scenes shown in the game if they have no meaning, or don't have any continuation in part 3. It would make more sense to believe Aerith will be alive for the finale from all these points I've mentioned, than her still following the OG route. But as I said from the start, we will just have to wait and see.
Props on your theory and research but people really need to stop stating their theories as fact and calling things 'obvious'. It's not obvious one way or the other and it's that way intentionally of course. Your theory is as valid as any others. Aerith might be donezo and only exist in the lifestream or perhaps Cloud saved Aerith in another world and will find her way back, or anything in between. Many of the things you mention are clearly up for interpretation and there are things you kinda gloss over and many hints that Aerith's fate isn't as grim as you suggest. Perhaps you'll be proven correct but only a handful of people truly know as it stands
I played through the game 3 times and watched several other people play, and it took me a while to come to my conclusions about this game (chief among them that the world we've been playing in has been just another doomed world all along). I went back through the game chapter-by-chapter looking at the story beats and recording a deep-dive into the story looking at info from all FF7 games, books, etc, and by the time I was done my views had changed considerably from what I thought I knew at the start of my replay. I think the Aerith who "survived" was just a pocket world that wasn't strong enough to survive its own creation, since Aerith dying is essentially a fixed point, canon event, whatever you want to call it. Any change that deviates from the original story can potentially doom the world, and the bigger the change the faster the world will fail. Aerith's death is so significant it cannot exist, but it's enough for her to give Cloud's damaged brain a reprieve, and Sephiroth's "I underestimated you" is an acknowledgement both of her chess move in preserving Cloud's sanity as well as her willingness to die to accomplish it. He may have been counting on her trying to live (knowing it was literally impossible) and Cloud's mind finally breaking - but her acceptance thwarted him on multiple levels at once. The clear materia (aka "pure materia" I think) is closely tied to the origins of the Black Materia with the Gi. Most importantly, the Lifestream event in restoring Cloud will involve Aerith, Tifa, and Zack working in concert to fill in the major gaps in Cloud's identity, now including the moment of Aerith's death that he'll have to come to grips with. There's a TON of detail going into this that I explored, but that's the highlights. I really enjoy the theory-crafting around this story and the fact that in the end, none of us really "know" anything for sure about the future.
I think the alternate worlds theory where Aerith survives is correct, you only have to look at the intro to the game where we recap the events at the end of remake, and see the first rainbow effect when they break through the whispers, next you’re looking at a world where avalanche were recovered (unknown if they are dead) from the rubble of the shinra building (that didn’t happen in the game world). Zack (who is dead in the game world) appears hauling an unconscious cloud while red crashes the helicopter containing him and Aerith (presumably killing red in the process. If Aerith was only in the life stream, Red could have detected that in OG which he didn’t. Cloud went to the life stream in AC and spoke to Aerith but as soon as he turned to look at her, he left the life stream, here, he’s constantly looking at her. I’m 100% confident that the world’s theory is correct, this explains why cloud is able to fight alongside Zack and Aerith when sephiroth explains the worlds to cloud. For me, the only unknown here is, can Aerith be brought from her world back into the game world, in part 3 or is this just an opportunity to give her an actual chance to say goodbye before her world dies. Having played OG back in the day and remembering how emotional I was over this event, I wouldn’t have played rebirth if I thought events were going to happen the same, I only played it because remake made me think if there’s one event that needed to be different, a different outcome, this was it. The reason I played remake in the first place (not knowing about the different course of events) is I always felt back in the day, Midgar could have been an awesome setting but graphics technology back then couldn’t deliver the experience midgar was deserving of. The extended time for all these events and more interactions between the characters was just a massive bonus.
We can't say for sure what will happen but I find it extremely disappointing to have Whispers, Kingdom Hearts portals, extra worlds, swapping white materia all these convoluted gimmicks if they're just going to follow the OG plot anyway and none of the extra plot devices really amount to anything consequential. I'm not against them being a thing but I'm against them being pointless. I want new events, new playable characters, new perspectives, new surprises, and new outcomes. I would be a lot happier to see part 3 deviate much further from the events of the original game than Rebirth did.
There is one factor that you have not mentioned, and that is Zack. While what you say is the most likely truth as far as Cloud is concerned, but I think with Zack, we have another story happening. Zack is alive in another world, and in that world, Aerith and Cloud are comatose. Perhaps this is the bittersweet ending we will see is that Aerith and Zack are allowed to live but not in the same world if they do decide to change fate that is. Also, all the other characters of the compilation.
'Defy destiny' tagline only makes sense if Aerith lives. Because all the rest went as desired, they do defeat Sephiroth and Jenova in OG so the only aspect of 'destiny' they would want to change is Aerith's death.
But Sephiroth is attempting to create a new destiny and is in control of half the whispers, which were previously guardians of the planet's will. Sephiroth has essentially become an avatar of destiny itself, as he tries to shape the planet's future to one of his own making. So the tagline still makes sense. I'm pretty sure that that the destiny we'll ultimately be opposing in the end isn't the destiny of the original game's storyline, but rather the destiny that Sephiroth is attempting to create.
Thank goodness for this most touching points for perhaps the best and most powerful story ever presented in gaming history, Truth be told I can not get enough of FF7 Remake❤I believe that Rebirth will keep on on the story over from across the Vale so even though Sephiroth planted his sword into Aerith believing he was carrying out his supreme destiny even he could never have known that he actually immortalized Aerith in the eternal plan set forth by the True Creator of the Planet' forever sealing light as the ultimate Victor in the war for the life of the Planet*" I believe that Rebirth will definitely spell this out far more clearly because sometimes it does take a sacrifice for good to triumph over evil and love can begin to heal the pain... I believe that that is and always the True reasons Aerith did what she did" and I know that death is always never the end of life, but the beginning of our new life from across the great Vale❤
i think there are multiple sephiroth, the og one which does the things as we know them, he talks to cloud as puppet and disrespectful. the omni sephiroth on the other hand, the new one we see in remake and rebirth, talks to him more like a brother. so i think everything omni-s says is actually true.
Maybe shes gone, she needs to be if they want to keep the OG story. But the fact that there are "worlds" within the LS is undeniable, the two white materias are proof. They will have to reconcile that element into the OG story. Unless they plan a big twist then we know the rest.
Aeriths emphasis on “saving” cloud and the world being the most important thing shows her whole goal at the end of rebirth. If you look at it threw that perspective you can see what is actually happening. What is cloud being saved from? Sephiroth stated that he isn’t trying to physically kill cloud. So that means cloud needs saved from his weak mental state. Aerith knew she had to die. Cloud couldn’t handle seeing another person he cared about dying. So that whole ending was life stream aerith giving him the illusion that he saved her. So he can have the strength to carry on. Until later when he’s in a better mental state will he be able to accept the fact she’s gone. She’s not alive in another world. Her spirit is able to manifest via the lifestream the way sephiroth is able to cause of the power and knowledge they have. A lot of people wanna believe she’s alive somewhere. But she isn’t. I believe this game is showing us aerith is way more powerful after death. And that’s why she had to die.
Guys don't lose your hope, there is always a twist possibility there. Remember these are the same group of developers that made kingdom hearts series , final fantasy x series, final fantasy 13 series . What really happened at the end when you thought the story was truly heartbreaking? Reunion always happen! (Secret ending unlocked) Cloud has both empty white material and black material at the same time. (Sephiroth needs Cloud to give the real him the black material so maybe Aerith can do the same......hmmm?) Aerith talked about her future self at costa del sol.( More then one Aerith? just like there are multiple Sephiroths?) Zack is sitting in the church and he said "who's to say they can't reunite again'. ( Is Zack in the main world right now? well since the church is still there in the main world but it is destroyed in other worlds. ) Literally Anything can happen. It all depends on Tetsuya Nomura, the guy who promotes the idea of changing how Aerith dies differently in Rebirth. Kitase confirmed this in a recent interview at Saudi Arabia. It seems like everyone always agrees with his wild ideas, even the supposed writer.
Maybe shes gone, she needs to be if they want to keep the OG story. But the fact that there are "worlds" within the LS is undeniable, the two white materias are proof. They will have to reconcile that element into the OG story. Unless they plan to a big twist then we know the rest.
I liked the way you shared your viewpoint but I still don't think this is direction the developers are wanting for this game trilogy. My guess is Cloud can see both outcomes simultaneously, so he did witness the main world where Aerith died (is trying to block it out mentally) and he also sees this new world where he saved Aerith. A new world by the way that might not be lasting long given the world he placed her has a sky rift. Implying that the world will come to it's end soon, that's what the NPC's characters suggested anyway. You also downplayed that Red13 noticed Aerith's presence in the field.. My guess is because he is an intelligent animal he might be able to sense a being outside his world. I could be very wrong but that's my theory for now. Lastly it fundamentally doesn't make sense to me that the developers deliberately had Sephiroth address Cloud (and the audience) about this notion of different decision-making with showing clips of what Zack did... And also informing the player about creating different worlds.. who knows maybe the line, "I'll give you my blessing" was him basically giving Cloud the ability of being a God in a sense and making new worlds. We honestly don't know. Lastly let's look at Final Fantasy 7 Remake, the vision that Red13 had near the end in regards with him running with his puppies ..the ending seen in 1997 Final Fantasy 7 was something these characters -now want to avoid. The developers made that very clear we won't end up in that same path... Yes they also mentioned Advent Children but... they said "link up" not directly leading into, I think that means we might get some references to that film but it doesn't correlate to the narrative lead directly into that AC story. It's only logical to think the developers will be making some major changes to the narrative going forward. If the Red puppy outcome isn't what we want, these characters have to pull strings to get a new and different ending and I'm all for that honestly. I just got to the part where you mentioned the end credits of Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth. I'll give you that .. it is an interesting decision to -not include those scenes with (new world) Aerith. Maybe they don't want to show their cards though.. they want us to believe that Aerith in all worlds now is completely dead to us. Only to surprise us in part 3. They definitely want to ramp up sales by the whole, "unknown journey continuing". The only bit of hope I have and continue to have is Zack's confidence about seeing rejoining of the worlds potentially (seeing Aerith). The fact the last shot in Rebirth shows prominently the yellow lilies flowers that represent reunion. Also if you're really digging in the weeds...at the official Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth concert they only showed footage of Aerith as the Rosa role in the Loveless play and Alfred said, He'll return to find her. So if you squint.. that might tie into part 3. The reunion of Cloud, Aerith and Zack, Aerith. If it's all a red herring and much of the developers are misleading some folks in the fan community like myself... I'll be not pleased but we will see.
I agree with this interpretation as well. This video's assertion also doesn't address Zack's admonition to Cloud to, 'save her'. Is that meant to just be a red herring as well? If Aerith is meant to just be deceased in all worlds we're left with in Rebirth, then what was that? Zack would have no way of knowing her most recent fate in the primary world the rest of the party, sans Cloud, experience sure, but the idea that those words are the last he'd entreat Cloud with right before being separated from Cloud at the Edge of Creation, only for them to be unfulfillable seems unlikely to me. As you suggest, it's implied that the outcome of the OG game is a kind of 'bad end' which the party would want to avoid. It seems that Sephiroth is aware of that in at least his primary incarnation and also likely has different goals in this Re- series than he had in the original. I lean towards the idea that he's possibly reconnected with his true self apart from Jenova's influence and wants to break the cycle of life and death on Gaia now in some twisted sense to 'save' everyone on the planet as was his heroic dream he could not truly fulfill which the recent mobile game depicts him struggling with in his youth. So where does all that lead in part 3 then? I think it's a reasonable guess that the outcome at the end of all this could be very different. If Aerith's death in OG allowed her to guide the lifestream to erase Meteor, but at the cost of a world still so damaged that Geostigma was a literal plague and Jenova and Sephiroth remained within the lifestream with the latter able to return via Cloud's memories of Seph and his emotional struggle over Aerith's death, then seems that outcome would need to be avoided this time around. That is to say, this series may connect to advent children via Sephiroth's knowledge of that possible future projected back to OG timeline through the lifestream, but not end in a way that leads to that this time. If Advent Children is still a 'bad end' as it really seems, then how do you avoid that? Well it might just be that preventing Aerith's death in at least some fashion and thus the worst of the trauma for Cloud which prevents him from ever forgetting Sephiroth (thus enabling Seph to avoid joining the lifestream and keep returning) is actually needed for a 'good end'. I do think there's ample evidence to suggest one alternate (and likely temporary) world exists where Cloud saved Aerith now at the end of Rebirth, even if he's the only one who can see it fully and interact with it (again this makes sense as only he was beyond the whisper wall(barrier of fate) when Aerith is either killed or saved, just as in Remake the whole party was beyond that wall together on the highway at Remake's end). The idea that he'd hallucinate this as a cope to not accept or confront her death is also sensible and likely but that simply being all that is going on I think is a mislead in fact. I think both are true: She died in the world the party inhabits and that Cloud has presence in and he doesn't see or accept that, but also he actually is seeing her alive in an alternate world created when he saved her that the party doesn't see. This could be a surprise beyond the obvious, 'he's blocking out her death' conclusion... that is to say, Cloud's brain is in denial, but also actually seeing something real. Now does this mean we get a super happy ending in part 3 where Zack and Aerith are left alive in a world merged with that populated by the rest of the party at the end? Maybe? probably not, but not impossible either. I don't know and honestly, I'm more interested in what they do with Sephiroth by the end of this. Does he sorta realize Jenova is using and manipulating him too and work with Cloud to throw her off and destroy her, only to then confirm that his idea of 'saving' the world isn't something the party can accept and is corrupted too? I can imagine Cloud and Sephiroth joining forces in part 3 at some point to actually destroy Jenova, or Sephiroth does at least so it's just his 'true self', but then his vision is too skewed, and he's still the villain (even if now a more understandable one) that you have to end for good. I don't know, but I do think there's still plenty to suggest a living Aerith in some form may be in part 3.
I am team sephiroth he is actually right …. The rest of the team is a tool for a better future as you will see in part 3 you will realise that sephiroth is actually the good guy
Major applause for the effort you put into this, but I sorely cringe every time I see a theory video with anything implying that a convoluted scene is cut & dry on a work that has Nomura or Kitase's name on it. A lot of what you say is valid, but I think you significantly underestimate the concept of the Lifestream and it's relationship with fate. Sephiroth himself explains that every time fate is tampered with, an alternative world is diverged into the Lifestream's reality. That's why Zack is able to create multiple outcomes depending on what choices he makes from where he was (where Stamp is seen as a terrier, pug, and corgi) and why Aerith was able to take Cloud on that one final date in Sector 5 (where Stamp is a chihuahua). All these world divergences are signified by the rainbowy golden light, the same light we see when Cloud clashed his Whisper-infused sword with Sephiroth's Masamune. This shows that Cloud did indeed diverge fate once again and created the world where he successfully saves Aerith. This is even further shown as the case when Tifa's point of view saw the overlapping between the two realities (the blood vs no blood glitches). Tifa was able to see this because of her experience in Lifestream back in Gongaga. So, what I think happened exactly at that moment was just as Sephiroth said: a confluence of worlds. Cloud & Sephiroth's clash did two things at once: diverged fate into the worlds where Aerith lived and died respectively, and began the Reunion of all Lifestream worlds into one. This is how Aerith is both alive and dead at the same time and why Zack is almost certainly now in the same reality that the game takes place in (the beagle Stamp world). So yes, Cloud is in a state of mind that is reluctant to accept the reality that Aerith is dead, but it's being symbolized by his "gift" that Sephiroth gave him which allows him to see the rift in the sky and interact with Aerith as a living being at the end.
I don't recall Cloud being an unreliable narrator about what is happening presently. If true, Square is making deliberate efforts to fool the audience. Well made video of course
@@ultima7865 A false narrative about specific past events and his role in them. Not schizophrenic hallucinations of rainbows and interdimensional Aerith's helping him fight on some floating rocks in the middle of the cosmos. Which, outside of the FF universe, would probably constitute schizophrenia, but it seems to work here.
@@TheLongBrook Tbh, I don’t know you or your expertise or knowledge of schizophrenia, but I’m not certain it’s fully accurate or appropriate to put such a real life mental illness onto a game/reality based on FANTASY. As far as being confused by the presence of rainbows, and light, and all of that… this is a game in which magic is real. The lifestream is a thing. The rainbows and other lights COULD be illusions, or indeed they could be there simply because they are at the edge of creation, like the other commenter said. Keep in mind this place is ALSO part of the Cetra, and ANYTHING can happen or manifest where THEY are concerned.
How much I love the original. And how confused I was with all the nonsense and cryptic horseshit basically ruining a masterpiece of a remake. 😢👉👌 And instead of pulling out 💦 you pull out 💩
Trolls when Cloud sees Seph: "He's alive." Trolls when Cloud sees Aerith: "She's dead. He's an unreliable narrator!" Trolls when Red dies in Terrier: "Uhh he's alive." Trolls when Zack is alive for the 4th time: "Maybe he's alive but Aerith is dead." Trolls when Biggs is alive in Rebirth: "Stop pretending there's any way Aerith survived. I'M NOT LISTENING LA LA LA." Btw, could you stop spreading popular myths? Tifa in OG said Aerith didn't intend to be a sacrifice.
You're a good theorist, speaker and video editor, but you're not omniscient, psychic or one of the developers. You don't know any more than the rest of us, so saying things are "obvious" and claiming your opinion as "the truth" is really annoying. If you had just framed it as "this is what I think happened" your video would have been much better recieved by lots of people.
This ending is just bad writing. The signs were on the wall so we should have known it was coming. Look at what Kingdom Hearts has become (worst writing in RPG history bar none). Look at FF13. FF15. It's time to face it guys. The real storytellerscare not in Square anymore. Yasumi Matsuno, their best writer, is gone. Hironobu Sakaguchi is gone. Tetsuya Takahashi is gone. Square has nothing left. They and their Forspoken-like projects will end up brankruptcing Enix as well.
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I agree....I also think this is true.........BUT...since they change the story and way of playing the game..They can change this..I hope they do..because I adore Aeris....I want her Back!.....LOL..Cloud and Aeris make the perfect couple...whos with me..we want Aeris back!...Great video.
While I appreciate your time and effort put into this video, we will never know exactly what happened until part 3 is released. We shouldn't be stating things as fact, since everything is still a theory until clarified. While your opinion of the ending is valid, others who say Aerith is alive also has merit and possibly hold more weight from what the game has shown thus far. A few examples being Cloud and Aerith are still in a coma in one of Zacks worlds, (terrier world) indicating part 3 will explore this part of the story even further. We also saw a rainbow effect Cloud created when saving Aerith, as well as Aerith saying to Cloud in the ending fight "I saw what you did for me back there Cloud, thank you." The terrier world also has Marlene insisting Zack saves Cloud so that Cloud can save Aerith. There would be 0 point to any of these scenes shown in the game if they have no meaning, or don't have any continuation in part 3. It would make more sense to believe Aerith will be alive for the finale from all these points I've mentioned, than her still following the OG route. But as I said from the start, we will just have to wait and see.
Props on your theory and research but people really need to stop stating their theories as fact and calling things 'obvious'. It's not obvious one way or the other and it's that way intentionally of course. Your theory is as valid as any others. Aerith might be donezo and only exist in the lifestream or perhaps Cloud saved Aerith in another world and will find her way back, or anything in between. Many of the things you mention are clearly up for interpretation and there are things you kinda gloss over and many hints that Aerith's fate isn't as grim as you suggest. Perhaps you'll be proven correct but only a handful of people truly know as it stands
This.
22:02 "Her clothes aren't moving with the wind". While he says that the clothes are moving with the wind.
Fantastic editing and scoring! Really enjoyed the presentation. Thank you!
Good video but you may be setting yourself up for disappointment by presenting what’s clearly a theory as the answer we’ll receive in a few years
I played through the game 3 times and watched several other people play, and it took me a while to come to my conclusions about this game (chief among them that the world we've been playing in has been just another doomed world all along). I went back through the game chapter-by-chapter looking at the story beats and recording a deep-dive into the story looking at info from all FF7 games, books, etc, and by the time I was done my views had changed considerably from what I thought I knew at the start of my replay.
I think the Aerith who "survived" was just a pocket world that wasn't strong enough to survive its own creation, since Aerith dying is essentially a fixed point, canon event, whatever you want to call it. Any change that deviates from the original story can potentially doom the world, and the bigger the change the faster the world will fail. Aerith's death is so significant it cannot exist, but it's enough for her to give Cloud's damaged brain a reprieve, and Sephiroth's "I underestimated you" is an acknowledgement both of her chess move in preserving Cloud's sanity as well as her willingness to die to accomplish it. He may have been counting on her trying to live (knowing it was literally impossible) and Cloud's mind finally breaking - but her acceptance thwarted him on multiple levels at once.
The clear materia (aka "pure materia" I think) is closely tied to the origins of the Black Materia with the Gi.
Most importantly, the Lifestream event in restoring Cloud will involve Aerith, Tifa, and Zack working in concert to fill in the major gaps in Cloud's identity, now including the moment of Aerith's death that he'll have to come to grips with.
There's a TON of detail going into this that I explored, but that's the highlights. I really enjoy the theory-crafting around this story and the fact that in the end, none of us really "know" anything for sure about the future.
I think the alternate worlds theory where Aerith survives is correct, you only have to look at the intro to the game where we recap the events at the end of remake, and see the first rainbow effect when they break through the whispers, next you’re looking at a world where avalanche were recovered (unknown if they are dead) from the rubble of the shinra building (that didn’t happen in the game world). Zack (who is dead in the game world) appears hauling an unconscious cloud while red crashes the helicopter containing him and Aerith (presumably killing red in the process.
If Aerith was only in the life stream, Red could have detected that in OG which he didn’t. Cloud went to the life stream in AC and spoke to Aerith but as soon as he turned to look at her, he left the life stream, here, he’s constantly looking at her. I’m 100% confident that the world’s theory is correct, this explains why cloud is able to fight alongside Zack and Aerith when sephiroth explains the worlds to cloud.
For me, the only unknown here is, can Aerith be brought from her world back into the game world, in part 3 or is this just an opportunity to give her an actual chance to say goodbye before her world dies.
Having played OG back in the day and remembering how emotional I was over this event, I wouldn’t have played rebirth if I thought events were going to happen the same, I only played it because remake made me think if there’s one event that needed to be different, a different outcome, this was it.
The reason I played remake in the first place (not knowing about the different course of events) is I always felt back in the day, Midgar could have been an awesome setting but graphics technology back then couldn’t deliver the experience midgar was deserving of. The extended time for all these events and more interactions between the characters was just a massive bonus.
We can't say for sure what will happen but I find it extremely disappointing to have Whispers, Kingdom Hearts portals, extra worlds, swapping white materia all these convoluted gimmicks if they're just going to follow the OG plot anyway and none of the extra plot devices really amount to anything consequential.
I'm not against them being a thing but I'm against them being pointless. I want new events, new playable characters, new perspectives, new surprises, and new outcomes. I would be a lot happier to see part 3 deviate much further from the events of the original game than Rebirth did.
There is one factor that you have not mentioned, and that is Zack. While what you say is the most likely truth as far as Cloud is concerned, but I think with Zack, we have another story happening. Zack is alive in another world, and in that world, Aerith and Cloud are comatose. Perhaps this is the bittersweet ending we will see is that Aerith and Zack are allowed to live but not in the same world if they do decide to change fate that is. Also, all the other characters of the compilation.
Zack is already dead. He means nothing.
@@MisteRRYouTuby I disagree, in the main world yes, but not in the terrier world.
@@TravaillesDuChanson Terrier world is non canon.
@@MisteRRYouTuby What does that mean? It happened in Rebirth, the devs specifically say Zack is alive.
@@TravaillesDuChanson Rebirth is non canon. It is not Final Fantasy VII.
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'Defy destiny' tagline only makes sense if Aerith lives. Because all the rest went as desired, they do defeat Sephiroth and Jenova in OG so the only aspect of 'destiny' they would want to change is Aerith's death.
But Sephiroth is attempting to create a new destiny and is in control of half the whispers, which were previously guardians of the planet's will. Sephiroth has essentially become an avatar of destiny itself, as he tries to shape the planet's future to one of his own making. So the tagline still makes sense. I'm pretty sure that that the destiny we'll ultimately be opposing in the end isn't the destiny of the original game's storyline, but rather the destiny that Sephiroth is attempting to create.
Thank goodness for this most touching points for perhaps the best and most powerful story ever presented in gaming history, Truth be told I can not get enough of FF7 Remake❤I believe that Rebirth will keep on on the story over from across the Vale so even though Sephiroth planted his sword into Aerith believing he was carrying out his supreme destiny even he could never have known that he actually immortalized Aerith in the eternal plan set forth by the True Creator of the Planet' forever sealing light as the ultimate Victor in the war for the life of the Planet*" I believe that Rebirth will definitely spell this out far more clearly because sometimes it does take a sacrifice for good to triumph over evil and love can begin to heal the pain... I believe that that is and always the True reasons Aerith did what she did" and I know that death is always never the end of life, but the beginning of our new life from across the great Vale❤
i think there are multiple sephiroth, the og one which does the things as we know them, he talks to cloud as puppet and disrespectful.
the omni sephiroth on the other hand, the new one we see in remake and rebirth, talks to him more like a brother.
so i think everything omni-s says is actually true.
Maybe shes gone, she needs to be if they want to keep the OG story. But the fact that there are "worlds" within the LS is undeniable, the two white materias are proof. They will have to reconcile that element into the OG story.
Unless they plan a big twist then we know the rest.
Aeriths emphasis on “saving” cloud and the world being the most important thing shows her whole goal at the end of rebirth. If you look at it threw that perspective you can see what is actually happening. What is cloud being saved from? Sephiroth stated that he isn’t trying to physically kill cloud. So that means cloud needs saved from his weak mental state. Aerith knew she had to die. Cloud couldn’t handle seeing another person he cared about dying. So that whole ending was life stream aerith giving him the illusion that he saved her. So he can have the strength to carry on. Until later when he’s in a better mental state will he be able to accept the fact she’s gone. She’s not alive in another world. Her spirit is able to manifest via the lifestream the way sephiroth is able to cause of the power and knowledge they have. A lot of people wanna believe she’s alive somewhere. But she isn’t. I believe this game is showing us aerith is way more powerful after death. And that’s why she had to die.
Guys don't lose your hope, there is always a twist possibility there. Remember these are the same group of developers that made kingdom hearts series , final fantasy x series, final fantasy 13 series . What really happened at the end when you thought the story was truly heartbreaking? Reunion always happen! (Secret ending unlocked)
Cloud has both empty white material and black material at the same time. (Sephiroth needs Cloud to give the real him the black material so maybe Aerith can do the same......hmmm?)
Aerith talked about her future self at costa del sol.( More then one Aerith? just like there are multiple Sephiroths?)
Zack is sitting in the church and he said "who's to say they can't reunite again'. ( Is Zack in the main world right now? well since the church is still there in the main world but it is destroyed in other worlds. )
Literally Anything can happen.
It all depends on Tetsuya Nomura, the guy who promotes the idea of changing how Aerith dies differently in Rebirth. Kitase confirmed this in a recent interview at Saudi Arabia.
It seems like everyone always agrees with his wild ideas, even the supposed writer.
Maybe shes gone, she needs to be if they want to keep the OG story. But the fact that there are "worlds" within the LS is undeniable, the two white materias are proof. They will have to reconcile that element into the OG story. Unless they plan to a big twist then we know the rest.
i figured on the final disc Sephirot is gonna reveal the truth as cloud notices he doesnt see aerith no more
I liked the way you shared your viewpoint but I still don't think this is direction the developers are wanting for this game trilogy.
My guess is Cloud can see both outcomes simultaneously, so he did witness the main world where Aerith died (is trying to block it out mentally) and he also sees this new world where he saved Aerith. A new world by the way that might not be lasting long given the world he placed her has a sky rift. Implying that the world will come to it's end soon, that's what the NPC's characters suggested anyway.
You also downplayed that Red13 noticed Aerith's presence in the field.. My guess is because he is an intelligent animal he might be able to sense a being outside his world. I could be very wrong but that's my theory for now.
Lastly it fundamentally doesn't make sense to me that the developers deliberately had Sephiroth address Cloud (and the audience) about this notion of different decision-making with showing clips of what Zack did... And also informing the player about creating different worlds.. who knows maybe the line, "I'll give you my blessing" was him basically giving Cloud the ability of being a God in a sense and making new worlds. We honestly don't know.
Lastly let's look at Final Fantasy 7 Remake, the vision that Red13 had near the end in regards with him running with his puppies ..the ending seen in 1997 Final Fantasy 7 was something these characters -now want to avoid.
The developers made that very clear we won't end up in that same path...
Yes they also mentioned Advent Children but... they said "link up" not directly leading into, I think that means we might get some references to that film but it doesn't correlate to the narrative lead directly into that AC story.
It's only logical to think the developers will be making some major changes to the narrative going forward. If the Red puppy outcome isn't what we want, these characters have to pull strings to get a new and different ending and I'm all for that honestly.
I just got to the part where you mentioned the end credits of Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth. I'll give you that .. it is an interesting decision to -not include those scenes with (new world) Aerith. Maybe they don't want to show their cards though.. they want us to believe that Aerith in all worlds now is completely dead to us. Only to surprise us in part 3. They definitely want to ramp up sales by the whole, "unknown journey continuing".
The only bit of hope I have and continue to have is Zack's confidence about seeing rejoining of the worlds potentially (seeing Aerith). The fact the last shot in Rebirth shows prominently the yellow lilies flowers that represent reunion. Also if you're really digging in the weeds...at the official Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth concert they only showed footage of Aerith as the Rosa role in the Loveless play and Alfred said, He'll return to find her. So if you squint.. that might tie into part 3. The reunion of Cloud, Aerith and Zack, Aerith.
If it's all a red herring and much of the developers are misleading some folks in the fan community like myself... I'll be not pleased but we will see.
I agree with this interpretation as well. This video's assertion also doesn't address Zack's admonition to Cloud to, 'save her'. Is that meant to just be a red herring as well? If Aerith is meant to just be deceased in all worlds we're left with in Rebirth, then what was that? Zack would have no way of knowing her most recent fate in the primary world the rest of the party, sans Cloud, experience sure, but the idea that those words are the last he'd entreat Cloud with right before being separated from Cloud at the Edge of Creation, only for them to be unfulfillable seems unlikely to me.
As you suggest, it's implied that the outcome of the OG game is a kind of 'bad end' which the party would want to avoid. It seems that Sephiroth is aware of that in at least his primary incarnation and also likely has different goals in this Re- series than he had in the original. I lean towards the idea that he's possibly reconnected with his true self apart from Jenova's influence and wants to break the cycle of life and death on Gaia now in some twisted sense to 'save' everyone on the planet as was his heroic dream he could not truly fulfill which the recent mobile game depicts him struggling with in his youth.
So where does all that lead in part 3 then? I think it's a reasonable guess that the outcome at the end of all this could be very different.
If Aerith's death in OG allowed her to guide the lifestream to erase Meteor, but at the cost of a world still so damaged that Geostigma was a literal plague and Jenova and Sephiroth remained within the lifestream with the latter able to return via Cloud's memories of Seph and his emotional struggle over Aerith's death, then seems that outcome would need to be avoided this time around. That is to say, this series may connect to advent children via Sephiroth's knowledge of that possible future projected back to OG timeline through the lifestream, but not end in a way that leads to that this time. If Advent Children is still a 'bad end' as it really seems, then how do you avoid that? Well it might just be that preventing Aerith's death in at least some fashion and thus the worst of the trauma for Cloud which prevents him from ever forgetting Sephiroth (thus enabling Seph to avoid joining the lifestream and keep returning) is actually needed for a 'good end'.
I do think there's ample evidence to suggest one alternate (and likely temporary) world exists where Cloud saved Aerith now at the end of Rebirth, even if he's the only one who can see it fully and interact with it (again this makes sense as only he was beyond the whisper wall(barrier of fate) when Aerith is either killed or saved, just as in Remake the whole party was beyond that wall together on the highway at Remake's end). The idea that he'd hallucinate this as a cope to not accept or confront her death is also sensible and likely but that simply being all that is going on I think is a mislead in fact. I think both are true: She died in the world the party inhabits and that Cloud has presence in and he doesn't see or accept that, but also he actually is seeing her alive in an alternate world created when he saved her that the party doesn't see. This could be a surprise beyond the obvious, 'he's blocking out her death' conclusion... that is to say, Cloud's brain is in denial, but also actually seeing something real.
Now does this mean we get a super happy ending in part 3 where Zack and Aerith are left alive in a world merged with that populated by the rest of the party at the end? Maybe? probably not, but not impossible either. I don't know and honestly, I'm more interested in what they do with Sephiroth by the end of this. Does he sorta realize Jenova is using and manipulating him too and work with Cloud to throw her off and destroy her, only to then confirm that his idea of 'saving' the world isn't something the party can accept and is corrupted too? I can imagine Cloud and Sephiroth joining forces in part 3 at some point to actually destroy Jenova, or Sephiroth does at least so it's just his 'true self', but then his vision is too skewed, and he's still the villain (even if now a more understandable one) that you have to end for good. I don't know, but I do think there's still plenty to suggest a living Aerith in some form may be in part 3.
@@bhickman1015he told Cloud to save her cause of what Marlene told him
I am team sephiroth he is actually right …. The rest of the team is a tool for a better future as you will see in part 3 you will realise that sephiroth is actually the good guy
Great analysis
what a banger of a video
Major applause for the effort you put into this, but I sorely cringe every time I see a theory video with anything implying that a convoluted scene is cut & dry on a work that has Nomura or Kitase's name on it.
A lot of what you say is valid, but I think you significantly underestimate the concept of the Lifestream and it's relationship with fate. Sephiroth himself explains that every time fate is tampered with, an alternative world is diverged into the Lifestream's reality. That's why Zack is able to create multiple outcomes depending on what choices he makes from where he was (where Stamp is seen as a terrier, pug, and corgi) and why Aerith was able to take Cloud on that one final date in Sector 5 (where Stamp is a chihuahua). All these world divergences are signified by the rainbowy golden light, the same light we see when Cloud clashed his Whisper-infused sword with Sephiroth's Masamune. This shows that Cloud did indeed diverge fate once again and created the world where he successfully saves Aerith. This is even further shown as the case when Tifa's point of view saw the overlapping between the two realities (the blood vs no blood glitches). Tifa was able to see this because of her experience in Lifestream back in Gongaga.
So, what I think happened exactly at that moment was just as Sephiroth said: a confluence of worlds. Cloud & Sephiroth's clash did two things at once: diverged fate into the worlds where Aerith lived and died respectively, and began the Reunion of all Lifestream worlds into one. This is how Aerith is both alive and dead at the same time and why Zack is almost certainly now in the same reality that the game takes place in (the beagle Stamp world). So yes, Cloud is in a state of mind that is reluctant to accept the reality that Aerith is dead, but it's being symbolized by his "gift" that Sephiroth gave him which allows him to see the rift in the sky and interact with Aerith as a living being at the end.
I don't recall Cloud being an unreliable narrator about what is happening presently. If true, Square is making deliberate efforts to fool the audience. Well made video of course
Cloud’s false narrative and unreliable narration is the major twist of FF7
@@ultima7865 A false narrative about specific past events and his role in them. Not schizophrenic hallucinations of rainbows and interdimensional Aerith's helping him fight on some floating rocks in the middle of the cosmos. Which, outside of the FF universe, would probably constitute schizophrenia, but it seems to work here.
@@TheLongBrook its edge of creation
@@TheLongBrook Tbh, I don’t know you or your expertise or knowledge of schizophrenia, but I’m not certain it’s fully accurate or appropriate to put such a real life mental illness onto a game/reality based on FANTASY.
As far as being confused by the presence of rainbows, and light, and all of that… this is a game in which magic is real.
The lifestream is a thing. The rainbows and other lights COULD be illusions, or indeed they could be there simply because they are at the edge of creation, like the other commenter said.
Keep in mind this place is ALSO part of the Cetra, and ANYTHING can happen or manifest where THEY are concerned.
Love the remake too, expect when at the end it turns into kingdom craps
How much I love the original. And how confused I was with all the nonsense and cryptic horseshit basically ruining a masterpiece of a remake. 😢👉👌 And instead of pulling out 💦 you pull out 💩
Trolls when Cloud sees Seph: "He's alive."
Trolls when Cloud sees Aerith: "She's dead. He's an unreliable narrator!"
Trolls when Red dies in Terrier: "Uhh he's alive."
Trolls when Zack is alive for the 4th time: "Maybe he's alive but Aerith is dead."
Trolls when Biggs is alive in Rebirth: "Stop pretending there's any way Aerith survived. I'M NOT LISTENING LA LA LA."
Btw, could you stop spreading popular myths? Tifa in OG said Aerith didn't intend to be a sacrifice.
The only troll here is you
Finally someone gets it!! She's gone!
You're a good theorist, speaker and video editor, but you're not omniscient, psychic or one of the developers. You don't know any more than the rest of us, so saying things are "obvious" and claiming your opinion as "the truth" is really annoying. If you had just framed it as "this is what I think happened" your video would have been much better recieved by lots of people.
This ending is just bad writing. The signs were on the wall so we should have known it was coming. Look at what Kingdom Hearts has become (worst writing in RPG history bar none). Look at FF13. FF15.
It's time to face it guys. The real storytellerscare not in Square anymore. Yasumi Matsuno, their best writer, is gone. Hironobu Sakaguchi is gone. Tetsuya Takahashi is gone.
Square has nothing left. They and their Forspoken-like projects will end up brankruptcing Enix as well.