The Hardest Challenge in Majora's Mask
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- Опубліковано 12 чер 2024
- Blue dog can't normally win the race, but a small oversight in the code changes everything.
UPDATE: Since the publish date of this video, the dog race glitch happened a third time, to a randomizer runner named TonyBigBlind. Once again, since this was a randomizer race, the runner chose gold dog and thus we have no way of knowing which dog "won" the race. However, each subsequent instance of the glitch happening gives me hope that it's more likely than originally thought.
Clip of the glitch happening to marco: www.twitch.tv/marco/clip/Calm...
Clip of the glitch happening to cassie: www.twitch.tv/cassie/clip/Fro...
Clip of blue dog winning in MM3D: • RARE FOOTAGE OF THE BL...
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An additional video about how dog race works by Deathbasket, including a few finer details I didn't talk about: • Majora's Mask Doggy Ra...
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Timestamps
00:00 - How the dog race works
01:29 - Not all dogs are created equal
02:34 - Why it's impossible for blue dog
03:49 - The glitch
05:02 - Why it's not impossible for blue dog
08:36 - The challenge
09:14 - Outro - Ігри
blue dog cant win because he is afflicted with sugma
What is sugma?
@@poo5630 sugma ballz
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@@poo5630 btw what was the name of this guy who stole the bomb bag in north clock town on night 1 again ? i can't remember :/
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Concise and informative. You have a very good voice for this too. Very enjoyable video overall.
My dad has actually seen the blue dog wins
This has the same energy as a Lowest Percent video and I am absolutely here for it.
really interesting. i always wanted to pick blue dog or yellow dog bc they are the most interesting looking, but even as a dumb kid i learned that blue dog usually didn't win. didn't realize it was literally never. the dog race is possibly the most fun and peaceful part of the game, and it was really cool learning about the logic the game uses to determine a winner. i didn't know it was so complicated
This was really interesting!
I'm not an expert on this sort of thing but I feel like this could be automated en masse by running many instances of this game on emulators with auto inputs (would probably require a beefy CPU), probably with frameskip. Maybe you could have something that monitors the memory address for when the race starts and ends, and detect if the length of time is abnormally short.
You could have a log dump that keeps track of each reset and also what reset number had a successful race. If you let it go for long enough you could probably then calculate just how rare it is not just for the race to end early, but also for the blue dog in particular to hit a "goldilock" coordinate.
This would all be beyond anything I'd be capable of doing tho, and I could just be talking out of my ass with this idea lol.
Yeah, if Pannenkoek and the ABC crew can brute force ultra precise floating point angles for Mario 64 setups, than someone breaking down the code should definitely be able to replicate the environment of the dog race and find the necessary starting variables to get a Blue Dog win to trigger (if at all possible).
High quality content right here - though oof good luck to anyone trying to brute force this problem by hand.
I won the race first place first try no Mask of Truth on a recent playthrough and I have video proof of it. Im never doubting blind dumb luck again after that, unfortunately not with blue dog though
I've seen the blue dog come in as high as fifth a few times (never better than that) and one time he got fifth when I bet on him
Not sure if I just missed it, but what _are_ the multipliers for the dog's condition? I assume it's still not enough to make up for Blue dog's defficit?
I mostly left that part out of the video as it ended up being a little long-winded and irrelevant, but essentially during the last quarter of the race each dog gets:
1. a speed multiplier proportional to how far behind 1st place it is, unless it has the bad condition
2. a 20% speed boost if it has the good condition, unless it's the very first dog to enter the last quarter
For a full breakdown of the dog race mechanics, including some other stuff I didn't talk about, I suggest watching deathbasket's summary ua-cam.com/video/2s6Tb0Y_1ok/v-deo.html
@@Vidya_James Okay ya, just for my own curiocity I took a look at the code to understand better how the speed mulitplier worked because I wasn't quite getting the "Proportional to how far behind 1st place" part.
For others who are curious, the game has an internal counter that starts when the first dog hits the 3/4th mark which is about 10 seconds before the end of the race by my timing. I couldn't tell for sure, but from what I gather it increments every frame, i.e. 30 times per second. whenever a new dog crosses the 3/4th mark, it gives the dog a speed multiplier equal to [200 / 200 - counter] unles the counter is over 100 in which case the multiplier is 2.
If Blue dog has a good condition (+20%) and gold dog has a bad condition (no final multiplier), blue dog still needs this final multiplier to be 1.25 to even match Gold dog's speed. A 1.25 multiplier would be when the counter is at 40 (about 1.33 seconds).
Now, doing calculations on the time and speed of each dog is way outside my wheel house, but if we assume every other dog has a bad condition and blue dog has a good condition, _and_ blue dog crosses the 3/4ths mark over 1.33 seconds after the first place dog, I think it is theoretically possible for blue dog to win without the glitch; and that might just be the holy grail of MM dog racing.
Hey cool vid, make more :D
What’s different about MM3D that allows Blue Dog a chance 2 win unlike the og?
Of course I’m not a developer, but my guess is that since Majora’s Mask 3D is a full on remake they didn’t copy and paste variables and this just flew under the radar especially because 3D wasn’t made by Nintendo, it was made by a company called Grezzo. I think they gave an advantage to the gold dog but made every other dog run the same? Idk, but the running speeds are definitely not the same.
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This challenge was just as bad as the snowpeak race in Twilight Princess!
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Frist!
It is not really hard or impossible. All you need is the mask of truth and the dog that says something along the lines of I know I can win. Select that dog and you will win every game.