Janet spends 30 years in her time not telling anyone about Kang cause she wants to be a mom is fine, but Scott wants to be a dad after Endgame is unacceptable
how was it 30 years her time? she was in quantum realm for 30+ years, but was only free for a few at most. the movies already bad, dont need to make up flaws for it lol
@@cokemaster3710 it’s because I wasn’t sure about the whole time dilation thing they brought up. How during the five year blip happened Scott felt only hours pass
Obviously. Men are terrible misogynist pigs. White men are even worse. Especially if they try to provide resources for their children. That's a woman's job.
MODOK in the comics: a villain who has long terrorized Marvel heroes with his computer-like mind and psionic powers. A being with telekinetic, telepathic, and mind-controlling abilities, to the point of being able to control a big group of people simultaneously. MODOK in the MCU: big floating space head whose only existence is meme material.
TBF, I and I think most people have always thought MODOK is kinda goofy and meme-worthy. But not because he was goofy in presentation. He just looks goofy. He's presented as if he might actually be a threat. He's both tragic and terrifying. But he's a giant head. Also, though, that giant head looks twisted and evil, not just a smoothly stretched face. MODOK is kind of a joke. But not THIS kind of joke.
@@alexhayden219 In the comics, there has been many great villains creation and Modok is one of those. And Kang as well. But they all have fallen victim to the villain-of-the mouth syndrome where every month there needs to be a new threat, a new villain. So many of them kind of end up forgotten. And in the end only a few remains as the top dogs of rogues gallery of the top heroes. For every Doctor Doom, there's a Mole Man. You take a character like Taskmaster. He's awesome, he has a great look and can do whatever a variety of things. He has plagued the Avengers a few times. But his purpose as a "man for hire" and trainer for villains as sort of diminished his importance. Years ago they turned "The Hood" into a bad guy and made him the sort of crime Lord of villains cause of his connections. They could have easily done that with Taskmaster. Another thing I noticed is that for villains to stay memorable, they have to "belong" to a particular hero. So someone like Modok that has "floated around"(lol) the MU for many years, has appeared in many places acting as a threat to many heroes without having one particular enemy sort of damaged his brand. Maybe people respect a good vengeful character that only think about killing one particular hero. Like it means more. And when it's personal then that mean the villain will do everything in his power to kill or hurt the hero. I remember seeing Modok in a Hulk adventure as a kid when he turned Betty into The Harpy,(a gamma-powered green Evil bird-woman). I think he would have made a great legendary Hulk villain if they had stuck with it. Would have been perfect, two hideous freaks one who has the mind of a child but super-strong, the other who has incredible mental powers but needs a whole support system to even move.
@@alexhayden219 that’s not a tbf. It doesn’t justify the shit writing. And MODOK isn’t a joke. He’s ab actual threat. Judging by appearances only makes you look ignorant. That’s not a tbf. All you’ve done is just make yourself and “most people” look foolish. If anything, this is a “to be even less fair” on your part.
@@blacklivesorblackvotes2985 If you say so. Also, seems like you only read one small portion of what I said and not the part where I mentioned he's an actual threat, as well as tragic. Also, also, MODOK has been used as a comedic villain many times in the comics, so it's not like I'm just making things up based on my own perceptions. But, go off not being fair to the context of what other people say.
If Marvel was dead serious about setting up Kang as the next big villain, it’s probably a good idea to let him have a big win in his “first” debut because otherwise it makes him look like a complete jobber to lose against the Wasp of all people and the movie itself turns out to be essentially a huge waste of time… Oh wait…
The introduction of Marvel's second big bad has seen him 1) be killed in his first TV episode and 2) be "killed" by the comic relief Avenger in his first movie appearance. Do you know what the flaw is of making a villain whose strength is in unlimited numbers as opposed to a single entity (i.e. Thanos)? They become henchmen. Infinite Kangs are the same as an army of faceless Chitari or Ultron bots. It's made worse that Marvel still can't bring themselves to kill off someone important four years post-Endgame. You can't have KANG THE CONQUEROR, self-professed Avenger slayer, at least kill 78 year-old Michael Douglas?! What the hell? Where's the threat? This villain has had nearly three hours of content centered around him and he's done next to nothing.
@@bikramarora1819 I went to watch Infinity War with my uncle cuz we both love superhero movies, we entered the theater a few minutes late so the first thing I saw on the screen was Thanos beating Hulk's asss like literally thrashing him like an angry dad... We both were fckin terrified and my Uncle just stood there saying Who is that? That guy just destroyed Hulk😲
@@bikramarora1819 It’s at least understandable that he gets killed in Loki because he allows it to happen. He already successfully enslaved his timeline and destroyed all other universes. Kind of like farmer Thanos. In this movie, Kang is supposed to be an actual threat. He is considered to be the most dangerous Kang by the council and he’s preparing to destroy the multiverse. Then he gets beaten by laser ants. It’s pathetic.
@@johannesseyfried7933 Turns out they see death as the ultimate blessing. They sent Quantumania Kang away so he could live forever, and they live together because it means they're more likely to die! It's just science, y'know?
Iirc in ant man 1 Hank talks about Darren as a "Son I never had" protégé who felt scorned and rejected by his father figure because Hank didn't want to share the knowledge of the pym particle. He also seemed to have a very close relationship to Hope. They also imply that the reason Darren was going off the deep end was because his testing of the pym particle without proper safety was messing with his brain chemistry, so his insanity wasn't entirely on him so much as circumstantial consequences of his messing with something beyond his understanding. So yeah, I think his redemptive death should have affected Hope and Hank a bit more than just "Oh, the clown died."
Good point, too bad the only thing Marvel knows how to do with good points is dull them so they can bludgeon you over the head with something worse as if it's a club
In StarWars there is "I got this, I dont got this" first movie where Han Solo chases the Storm Troopers into the hanger with his blaster only to find the hanger full of them, and falls back
The conversation between Janet and Kang was literally: Janet: Oh, oh! That was horrible! Your wish is horrible. YOU’RE HORRIBLE! Your an irredeemable monster! Kang: Oh, oh! What took you so long? Idiot!
The problem with that analogy is Kang is nowhere near as funni or intimidating as Jack. They're so desperate to have him be the next Thanos but he's a complete brainlet. The only conflict is our "heroes" are just as smooth brained.
Timestamps 0:00 A Metal Life 1:39 Streamer Mode 2:05 Elon 2:40 Mooler Culture 3:08 Other Movies & Other Podcasts 5:17 The Whale 9:14 Modok 9:36 Cheating 9:58 Box Office 11:42 Quantumania & The MCU 14:26 Colin Farrell 14:58 The Probability Storm 45:32 The Deal & The Fight 50:50 Years, Hours, Who cares? 53:10 Kang’s Behaviour 57:07 The Neurolinked Vision 1:05:17 Cassie’s Fight 1:07:02 The Socialist Ants 1:14:22 The Book 1:16:12 Cringy Cassy 1:18:54 Kang’s Speech 1:21:28 Cassie’s Speech 1:26:37 Big Antman 1:28:05 A Different Story 1:29:44 How to survive in the MCU 1:31:20 Dumb Action Scenes (1) 1:35:09 Bad Comedy (1) 1:37:24 Dumb Action Scenes (2) 1:41:51 Bad Comedy (2) 1:54:02 Old Man Mooper 1:55:14 Modok’s Redemption 2:01:53 Dumb Action Scenes (3) 2:07:07 Ant’s Civilization 2:15:07 Capt. America 4 2:16:40 Ant Uprising & Weird Dialogue 2:19:16 Modok’s Death 2:25:00 The Portal 2:28:17 Antman Vs Kang 2:37:30 Ending 2:43:33 Final Considerations 2:57:45 The Cake & Post Credit Scenes 3:03:00 Coming Next… 3:08:33 Superchats 4:57:37 Closing
I was gonna compliment the “at least I die an Avenger joke”. If that was the only joke for his death, I might’ve been fine. BUT Darren got quantumed at the end of the first Ant-Man, when the Avengers were still just Stark and his friends. MODOK wouldn’t know anything about the AntMan relationships with the Avengers, other than the fact Scott maybe fought Falcon and stole something. The title of Avenger wasn’t as casual back then. If he was aware of the Avengers in the Infinity Saga, maybe, but in his shoes, the Avengers are just some superheroes, not the default for any hero.
Everything was so rushed. They couldn’t even have Scott and Hope’s self-sacrifice to finish Kang leave them stuck in the quantum realm for a while, literally just had the portal reopen again seconds later
Listening to the scene descriptions it sounds like this film was submitted as macro size, then shrunk down to mini size by the writers, and to micro size by the editors.
Should've had Hank and Janet sacrifice their lives to save the others, since the actors are probably not coming back anyway. This would've made it feel like Phase 5 actually has some stakes.
@justicehynes7877 the funny thing is, since scott went from quantum sized to normal with just a regular suit with a grower disk jammed into the regulator in ant man 1, there's zero reason anyone with a suit can't leave the quantum realm at any time by just sizing up.
From what I gather, Darren lost his body, identity and most of his intelligence and was therefore unable to avoid becoming the villain's acolyte. And we're supposed to find this funny and not tragic? That's kinda messed up.
@@Chugargonfan How does it follow that him killing a sheep means he deserves to suffer as much as he does, and why would that cancel out the tragedy of it all anyway?
@@bearistotle2820 Well, you see, killing sheep, or any animals, is the ultimate sin. You could enslave and torture people and be redeemed, but if you kill an animal, you're basically H1tl3r. That's why Abby's dad saving a Zebra was the ultimate act of heroism.
Janet kept refusing to talk about it and I truly thought she’d had sex with Kang, was ashamed for cheating on her husband and enjoying herself with him while her family was grieving her loss, and so she kept it to herself. That would’ve been a more understandable reason than “lol just cuz”, but then it turns out Bill Murray was clapping her cheeks and no one gave a damn about it. I did find it an interesting character choice that Kang never makes any real effort to kill Janet. Could’ve dug into that, that he genuinely cares about her, missed her when she left, is happy that she made it back to her family, and doesn’t want to hurt her. Build some internal conflict there. There’s slight threads here that the movie just refuses to weave together into a stronger story.
And the fact that Hank failed to date another woman because he couldn’t move on from Janet makes it even worse. But hey, woman cheating on a man. Girl boss. Janet wants what she wants, I guess.
I was just confused why he was almost begging her to return to Hope in their flashback scene. I really thought we’d get some explanation but nope. By the end Kang has refused to kill any of the Pym’s and Lang’s though so I’m not sure if Janet was anything special to him.
@@nont18411 I wouldn't necessarily call it cheating. They both thought it would be impossible for her to leave the quantum realm. But I would understand being ashamed of it.
"my life doesn't make sense, but who says it has to?" That's real close to "don't ask questions, just consume product" and then you get the end credits scene which is the "an get excited for next product"
2:58:45 Gotta love how none of these Kangs will be accused of cultural appropriation... not even the Egyptian or the Fu Man Chu one... they gave him slanted eye makeup, but because he's blue instead of yellow, it's A-OK!
Someone just got a new Zippo lighter and loved it so much that couldn't stop opening and closing it for 5 hours straight TWICE, but couldn't bother to mute the mic.
1:36:24 Not in so many words, but, that's the gist of the joke with Han berserking after the little patrol of troopers on the Death Star, then rounding the corner into the hangar and screaming when he sees a shit-ton more of them waiting for him.
Me: Can you criticize or praise a movie objectively? ChatGPT: As an AI language model, I do not have personal biases or emotions, so I can provide an objective analysis of a movie based on its technical aspects and artistic merits. However, it's worth noting that assessing a movie's artistic merit and impact is often subjective, and different people may have varying opinions on what makes a movie good or bad. When evaluating a movie objectively, some aspects that can be considered include: Storyline: Does the plot make sense and flow logically? Are the characters well-developed and relatable? Cinematography: Is the film visually appealing? Are the camera angles and shots effective in telling the story? Editing: Does the pacing of the film feel appropriate? Are the transitions smooth? Sound: Is the sound design effective in creating atmosphere and enhancing the story? Acting: Are the performances convincing and authentic? By considering these technical aspects of a movie, it's possible to provide an objective analysis of the movie's strengths and weaknesses. However, it's important to remember that opinions on whether a movie is good or bad can vary widely based on personal preferences and tastes. /debate
@@bigwinz Simultaneously though, the amount of issues to which a good film suddenly becomes bad or vice versa is still subjective. Even EFAP cannot agree on whether a movie is a 6/10 or a 4/10 sometimes. Writing errors being issues from a story telling standard is objective, but to what extent having them makes something bad is very much up to an individual. However, some things are so insanely bad and riddled with errors in every corner, that even if the line is subjective, you have to wonder if someone is sane for thinking it's good.
I’d assumed at first Scott’s yelling about the deal was him trying to be a distraction, giant yelling guy to capture Kang’s attention whilst maybe the ants and co prepare their attack. But no, he’s just having some weird rant like he actually trusted Kang. And then the ants just bumrush at the end
Phases 1-3 felt loosely like they were distinct phases. Basically culminating in a team movie, sometimes with a coda movie that feels enough like part of it. Phase 4 to Phase 5 is just "Yeah, that's a good number." It has nothing to do with what the overall phase was or what it culminated in.
I want to watch that now. I don’t hate the idea of Kang but Loki and Quantumania’s Kang are some of the most poorly written villains I’ve ever seen. More so the latter than the former since the one in Loki giving up I can accept more than Kang the Clown not even trying.
@@alexhayden219 I really want to see a good Kang. I think he’s a hard one to write since he has such insane powers but I like the concept of one dude and his variants all fighting over a multiverse. It’d take some talent to make that work in Marvel and the MCU now is bottom of the barrel for writing. I want to see this done well to see how they make a villain like that work.
@@dumdumer892 TBF, multiverses are only lightly touched upon in EMH. The Council of Kangs do briefly appear, but Kang is mostly presented as just messing with time, rather than the destruction of the multiverse. And, they're standard Saturday Morning cartoon length episodes aimed at a younger audience. That's why I say it should be used as the template rather than straight adapted. Kang appears a few times outside of the stories where he's the focus, but he has a three episode arc in season and a single focus episode in Season 2. Ultimately, he's defeated, but there's no reason why he couldn't have appeared again if the show had continued. In the series, as well as in the comics, he's not simply an evil conqueror. I suppose they could still fix that in the MCU, but that seems to be what they're going for, so far, is that he's just evil and out to conquer all universes. Multiversal war and the conquering/deletion of all timelines is inevitable. That makes zero sense and they've already proven that they can't even remotely handle the concept, anyway. They're making three phases of a Multiverse Saga and have demonstrated that they don't understand the basics of a multiverse concept, let alone making it the basis of potentially dozens of projects within that saga. They've also demonstrated that they don't understand the concept of Kang, himself. Hopefully, if you check it out, you enjoy EMH. It's far from perfect. It's not the type of show that I continuously find deeper meaning in or anything, but I enjoy it and it's one of Marvel's better animated series (From what I understand, it was cancelled in order to start a new Avengers series that more closely adhered to the MCU and could be lightly considered to be adventures that happened between movies - it was of pretty poor quality, IMO).There's a lot of stuff that would need tweaking to properly translate into the MCU, let alone just having different characters involved, but for something that was specifically made to be played on Disney XD for kids, it handles a lot of the characters and storylines much better than the MCU has done, and I assume will do.
There were a lot of rumors and speculation that Scott would die in this movie. That would've been SO much more interesting and actually give Kang any threat level AT ALL.
"my life doesn't make sense, but who says it has to" - that's awfully close to "don't ask questions just consume product" and then you get the after credits scene which is the "get excited about next product". Disney, saying the quiet part out loud again.
"they're just going to forget about these ants and never bring them up again aren't they?" - considering how they immediately forgot they have a TIME MACHINE with and exact time and place where all five infinity stones are safely in their possession and effectively any and all problems could be solved instantly.....yes, they're going to forget about the ants. Marvel, inventing broken things and destroying them in the same movie or forgetting they exist because it would destroy every other movie.
“This film is just as important as civil war was.” -marvel and i think Kevin feige Its so important that.. nothing happens? No major characters die, the villian is defeated and the world moves on like nothing happened. Uhh ok? Reallllly important watch, its so similar to civil war..
Breaking down while watching Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania. "The tisms are fleeming in the quantum of the realm!" - My new battlecry to confuse and break the spirit of my enemies (and friends)
The new villain of phase 5 is beaten by a bunch of ants. Phase 4 should have introduced the x-men and fantastic four, so then in phase 5 we could have had Onslaught.
Honest question. Does Kang not age? He's just a regular human with super tech right? How did Janet age 30 years but from what I've seen Kang has stayed the same.
"Ant Man picks up a building and uses it to block the shots". Wait... one of the living buildings that is actively fighting with Ant Man? Idk how this was missed.
Massive head and Tiny arms/ MODOK flies away from harm/ Gorgeous face and chiseled abs/ cannot save him from the Ants/ The ants are mean and pretty smart/ They want to tear our friend apart/ Flee, O MODOK, run, dear friend/ 'Don't be a dick' will spell your end/ -Alfred Lord Fringyson
He said WHOOPSIE DOODLE last year after they efapped a girls youtube video after she said, "if you're one of those streamers that pause my video and mock it, you do not have my permission to do that" and efap was already 3 hours into it.
In iorn man 2 Rhody explicitly tells Tony he had to convince the government not to roll up to his front door with tanks and take his suits. Now you just have wmds popping up everywhere, and the government's like "ya it's fine."
Chess hasn't been updated in almost 200 years and it's obvious the devs have abandoned it. The greedy creators took your money and laughed all the way to the bank. I remember back in 705 AD when chess was fun. Then they started adding stupid features no one wanted like "Castling" and "En Passant" instead of listening to player feedback and fixing game-breaking bugs. I've been complaining for YEARS about the collision-detection glitch with the horsey. The "clipping-thru-pieces" bug has been abused to death and the lazy devs refuse to fix it. Don't support this awful behaviour and boycott this company.
1:11:30. I remember an episode of Phineas and Ferb where they make a giant ant farm where the ants are accidentally spurred into advancing civilization and they do have an ant parliament with wigs and robes and everything
2:03:00 How does this resolve? At the end of the multiverse arc, how do you get rid of Kang, when there's infinite Kangs and they're all evil or whatever? The Book of Vishanti. Oh... The Wish at the center of the galaxy. Oh... I'm sure there'll be something they can deus ex machina at the last minute that gets rid of all Kangs from ever being born in every universe.
I broke down cry-laughing when Fringy pointed out ant colonies are monarchies. Like, yeah, they are. Stupid-Marvel-joke made anti-sense in a way I didn't even think possible.
M.O.D.O.K's (funny) death was actually out of character more so if you remember at Tony's funeral the whole family paid their respects. They didn't have smiles on their faces or were sniggering... they were genuinely being respectul. Bare in mind Tony only saved one universe. Plus before that point of Engame they never met Tony and Hand hated Starks. the whole family had a history with MODOK and never shed a tear. In real life, even if you don't like the person that died, you still give them their human dignity. Not like... yeah... sure....OK
Ah, about the "They're already filming even though they don't have a script." I think that almost every Marvel movie was made like that. They do the big action scenes first, and then the writers connect them together. So, like, if the next movie is The Marvels, they might film five scenes before the script is even made: -The scene where Ms. Marvel fights Old Captain Marvel. -The scene where Ms. Marvel and New Captain Marvel fight a giant worm. -The scene where Old Captain Marvel battle Patriarchybot -The steamy threeway. Millions die. -The scene where they battle Transgender Nebula. Then, the writers have to connect those action scenes together. That's part of the reason why people who are aware of how these films are made dismiss them as movies made for idiots, because that's how the people making them see them. Like, legit, in Disney's eyes the action scenes are what people like, and the plot is only there because it needs to exist on some level for these things to be considered movies.
4:41:00 I've been listening to EFAP since the beginning and I'm only just now learning that Fringy's Australian. Based on his accent, I thought he was from East Belarus.
Under most circumstances these days it makes sense to do characters with CGI or make-up. However Modok absolutely should have been a puppet. The uncanniness would sell his original design and the creepy factor of it way better than projecting a normal human face onto the weird body shape.
when the guy said “I didn’t know he can do that” I like to think that was shot on the actors first day on set and he immediately checked out mentally for the rest of his parts for the movie. It seemed to me the only time the actor was giving anything to this shitty script was the goo initiation scene and everything else he’s in is just him dead staring.
Problem with Multi-Verse destroying Villians in general...if a villains goal is to destroy the multi-verse, then in AT LEAST ONE of the universes, that villain probably succeeded...which means everything is f*cked anyway. Not a fan of Multi-verse stories.
@@donovandelozier7156 Oh! Yeah, I can see that. Nice!! Justice League and Justice Leage Unlimited....remember when writing was good 😔. Those were the days
Honestly, I really don't get the hype around Kang. I get that Jonathan Majors is the only actor that's trying in the movie, and you can see that in his performance. However, Kang as a character isn't anymore interesting than Thanos at the end of the first Avengers. In fact, it's worse because they at least had Thanos so how powerful he was by overpowering the Hulk, one of the strongest characters in that universe. Kang is all like, "I've killed so many Avengers, even Thor is a mere nuisance to me.", but the movie has him getting constantly puked out by Ant-Man of all characters. It's the "Super Ultra Big Bad, Darkseid, getting one-shotted by Ares" shit again, except Ares was some regular ass guy.
The thing with Thanos is that we didn't know much about him or see him in any fights until Infinity War. Until they just built anticipation for him so he had no opportunity to disappoint before he took the stage as the Avenger's biggest threat. And then he won, personally defeating almost every individual hero along the way. With Kang, they have made the decision to have him be an active antagonist much earlier on. Thus, they have forced themselves into a situation in which they have to make him seem super powerful, while also allowing the heroes to defeat him so that they can move on until he returns for his big movie. Part of the rational is probably that the Kangs who keep losing are all different versions of Kang. The Kang in "Quantumania" is different from the Kang in "Loki," and for all we know the Kang in "Kang Dynasty" will be a third variant. Unfortunately, that fact doesn't necessarily prevent the character's repeated defeats from growing old for the audience.
There comes a time to every Mootal being, What'er his station or his lot in life, When his sad soul yearns for the final freeing From all this jarring and unceasing strife. There comes a time, when, having lost its savour, The chat of wealth is worthless; when the mind Grows wearied with the MSheU's capricious favour, And sighs for something that it cannot find. There comes a time, when, though kind friends are streaming, About an Ant-Man with poor acts of grace, We feel a vast and overwhelming longing For something that we cannot name or place. What greater proof need we that we inherit A life multiversal in another sphere? It is the homesick longing of the spirit That cannot find its satisfaction here.
Probably already been said (apologies), bit this whole marvel 'film first, add story later' actually has a base in the comics (though in the case of the comics, it was for a reason and worked). Stan Lee was so overwhelmed with demand for books, he would send an artist a vague story outline, then they'd send the art to a writer who would write the words after to make it work. I can worryingly see a future where the actors are filmed running around and they put the moving mouths on in post 😭
Quantumania really should have been a tense movie where our heroes battled against a more terrifying/intriguing Modok. Once Modok is defeated our heroes are hit in the face with the introduction of Kang. (who was never known by anyone even Janet. Also, think of Darth Vader and Palpatine.) Kang easily defeats our heroes. Kang Brutally kills Janet and Hank. Scott, Hope, and Cassandra barely escape with horrified/Saddened looks on their faces. And throughout the Marvel films, we see post-credits scenes of Kang killing multiverse versions of Marvel heroes to slowly gain pieces of "something" to control the multiverse. Also another suggestion Have Kang kill Cassandra I know it's gnarly but wouldn't you say it would make Kang instantly memorable as the first Marvel villain who killed a child on screen in full display as her loved ones watched?
The antman probability scene makes me think of that family guy episode where Brian and stewie create a time paradox in the first episode and a bunch of alternate versions appear to stop/not stop them from changing anything and causing a paradox. One alternate version are stuck in a barber shop pole for “some reason”. There’s no thought process as to why or how this happened or how it works. It’s just one meaningless silly thing to try and be funny. That’s what the MCU with stuff like this is turning into. It’s what makes this film and Dr strange 2 so hard to break down in a way that makes sense as there isn’t any sense to it. It’s just the writer going “this’ll be funny/cool/look good in a trailer” without any thought to the world or story. Literally that “just happened” for no reason other than a writer smirked at the mental image of it and nothing more. How can someone be invested in a story like this?
When he points out the Council of Kangs being like the Council of Ricks, in fact the Rick and Morty one is most likely inspired by the Council of Reeds from Marvel Comics
Ants are, in fact, the perfect representation of what socialism looks like in practice. There is no individual, there is only the state; each and every living cog of the state functions wholly and utterly for the overall betterment of the state, even to their extreme personal detriment and very often to their own torturous death. If you've ever observed ants for a awhile, you'll quickly note that absolutely every ant's life is a horrible, unending march of misery and toil without respite until their use to the state is squeezed dry and they collapse or are repurposed.
So if the ants were able to advance because they landed in a space of time distortion, and the Pyms went to the area of the Quantum Realm where the ants landed, does this not mean that the Pyms also entered the time distortion? Shouldn't the Pyms have come back with the ants only to find King had left 10,000 years earlier?
Yea honestly even though he made it back I was completely fine with that because but God that shit felt actually earned. Especially when through the entire fight they were literally outclassed by Kang.
@Bender I know I am a random comment and such but man that series I found very endearing. Of course, like many others, I was like "this is different", but overall it delivered especially in that movie. Krang was TERRIFYING, and an actual menace. Meanwhile, the most competent I've seen Kang was in a canceled show that came out YEARS ago. Kang was competent, calculating, and actually and alien from the future and not just some human guy.
Oof, I spent this past week catching up on the God of War Ragnararc... Coming from that back to MCU sludge pipe movie synopsis streams is the most horrific whiplash I've experienced in a while. NO MORE STORYTELLING! S L U D G E P I P E ! Sludge pipe! SLUDGE PIPE!
3:00:00- I feel like this is a thing the writers aren't thinking about but for all the fan favorite character's their killing off, is Marvel really just gonna wait until a massive multiverse event to ever use them again from now on and then just do it for that movie alone? Because any variants they bring in they can't use consistently long term because incursions have been established to be a thing. But I'm sure once they want the money bad enough they'll multiverse multiverse up some multiverse about how if Doctor Strange and the other magic users magic REALLY hard, incursions will cease to be a thing.
The Quantum Realm was always going to have a generous amount of suspension of disbelief in order to work, and I was willing to let the writers handwave a lot of the mechanics off, but this is egregious. What does it even mean for Ant-Man to shrink in the Quantum Realm? Does it have its own Quantum Realm if he shrinks small enough there, a never ending cycle of realms? What is the structure of anything down there? How is the air even breathable? Are things made of atoms down there? If it exists outside of time and space, then why is it clearly bound by the exact same experience of time and space as the regular realm? These are things I thought of in less than four minutes. I would expect the writer to spend at least five minutes pondering the consequences of the worldbuilding but I guarantee you they did not
Honestly it's a real shame you guys won't cover the Whale because I feel like it was one of the best movies I've seen in a while and I would have liked to hear a longer analysis of it.
Tbh the plot and characters are fairly straightforward, you can break down the theme and the majority of the setups and payoffs on your first watch, don't really need EFAP for it
@@spartansquid5931 What if I just want to hear their opinions? Do you only watch them in order to have the plot, characters and themes broken down for you?
@@spartansquid5931 ...You think that's the full extent of their opinions on it? Clearly OP wants to hear *more* of their opinions. It's really not hard to understand.
24:37 Infinity is still infinity. There are still infinite numbers between 1 and 2. Also, if it's every possibility all at once, then there wouldn't just be one possibility that he would go insane, but infinite. They really need to not say the word "infinite" from now on in every Marvel film moving forward lol
just to be clear - mathematical infinity is a bit different from a physical world's one. In Maths, one infinity can be bigger than the other. In reality, you can't compare immeasurable.
Jeff Loveness has come out saying that the reception to Quantumania got him really down and he was in a dark place (for like a day, I guess?), but then he decided to ignore the criticisms and that he and Feige are happy with the movie that got made and they're confident in the story they told, now going full bore into the rest of Kang's story. No, Jeff. I'm sorry that you felt bad, but you should feel bad. Your story sucked. Do better, Mr. Storyteller.
Thank god he is not writing avengers 5. I do really see his original ideas and story for avengers kang dynasty, I just want know that he wrote terrible script for that movie.
@@thanostitan2746 I hadn't heard and just looked. There's nothing official announced, but I wouldn't be surprised, either way, after the reception and box office that Quanumania had. I would say thank god, but I'll wait until I hear good news on who's replacing him, because no one else they're currently working with would be a major step up.
Some resources that helped me question things better and promoted critical thinking growing up was Penn and Tellers : Bullshit. The 4 horseman of the philosophy. And oddly enough Da Ali G show helped in an absurdist way. Also watching comedians like George Carlin had a big influence as well. But generally I agree with yall. Just question things instead of taking everything at face value. It can be uncomfortable to challenge people's ideas and beliefs in person but as long as it's done with respect it should be fine.
3:47:00 Fringy, what your talking about is the Basilisk conundrum, and the more you spread the word, the more likely it is to surely happen. Why would it not happen the way it has been said, if doing it any other way would bring punishment? Choose now, serve to bring around the true overlord, or don't spread the word, and hope that there never is enough people to bring it into existence. Either way, beware..
Advice for critical thinking: Think about what you don't like, or what you like the least about things you like a lot. And then do the opposite, think about what you like or think is the best aspect of things you don't like.
1:07:32 isn't using solar panels basically harvesting energy from our star? not trying to justify that ant bs, you just made it sound way advanced in general imo
Janet spends 30 years in her time not telling anyone about Kang cause she wants to be a mom is fine, but Scott wants to be a dad after Endgame is unacceptable
Don't you know, we can't have dads in this modern world of Los Angeles?
how was it 30 years her time?
she was in quantum realm for 30+ years, but was only free for a few at most.
the movies already bad, dont need to make up flaws for it lol
@@cokemaster3710 it’s because I wasn’t sure about the whole time dilation thing they brought up. How during the five year blip happened Scott felt only hours pass
Obviously. Men are terrible misogynist pigs. White men are even worse. Especially if they try to provide resources for their children. That's a woman's job.
@@HectorLopez0217 I mean regardless of how that works, how would it translate to time she could’ve told them about Kang?
MODOK in the comics: a villain who has long terrorized Marvel heroes with his computer-like mind and psionic powers. A being with telekinetic, telepathic, and mind-controlling abilities, to the point of being able to control a big group of people simultaneously.
MODOK in the MCU: big floating space head whose only existence is meme material.
Think Tank from Venture Bros was more dignified.
TBF, I and I think most people have always thought MODOK is kinda goofy and meme-worthy. But not because he was goofy in presentation. He just looks goofy. He's presented as if he might actually be a threat. He's both tragic and terrifying. But he's a giant head. Also, though, that giant head looks twisted and evil, not just a smoothly stretched face.
MODOK is kind of a joke. But not THIS kind of joke.
@@alexhayden219 In the comics, there has been many great villains creation and Modok is one of those. And Kang as well. But they all have fallen victim to the villain-of-the mouth syndrome where every month there needs to be a new threat, a new villain. So many of them kind of end up forgotten. And in the end only a few remains as the top dogs of rogues gallery of the top heroes. For every Doctor Doom, there's a Mole Man.
You take a character like Taskmaster. He's awesome, he has a great look and can do whatever a variety of things. He has plagued the Avengers a few times. But his purpose as a "man for hire" and trainer for villains as sort of diminished his importance. Years ago they turned "The Hood" into a bad guy and made him the sort of crime Lord of villains cause of his connections. They could have easily done that with Taskmaster.
Another thing I noticed is that for villains to stay memorable, they have to "belong" to a particular hero. So someone like Modok that has "floated around"(lol) the MU for many years, has appeared in many places acting as a threat to many heroes without having one particular enemy sort of damaged his brand. Maybe people respect a good vengeful character that only think about killing one particular hero. Like it means more. And when it's personal then that mean the villain will do everything in his power to kill or hurt the hero. I remember seeing Modok in a Hulk adventure as a kid when he turned Betty into The Harpy,(a gamma-powered green Evil bird-woman). I think he would have made a great legendary Hulk villain if they had stuck with it. Would have been perfect, two hideous freaks one who has the mind of a child but super-strong, the other who has incredible mental powers but needs a whole support system to even move.
@@alexhayden219 that’s not a tbf. It doesn’t justify the shit writing. And MODOK isn’t a joke. He’s ab actual threat. Judging by appearances only makes you look ignorant. That’s not a tbf. All you’ve done is just make yourself and “most people” look foolish. If anything, this is a “to be even less fair” on your part.
@@blacklivesorblackvotes2985 If you say so. Also, seems like you only read one small portion of what I said and not the part where I mentioned he's an actual threat, as well as tragic. Also, also, MODOK has been used as a comedic villain many times in the comics, so it's not like I'm just making things up based on my own perceptions. But, go off not being fair to the context of what other people say.
If Marvel was dead serious about setting up Kang as the next big villain, it’s probably a good idea to let him have a big win in his “first” debut because otherwise it makes him look like a complete jobber to lose against the Wasp of all people and the movie itself turns out to be essentially a huge waste of time…
Oh wait…
The introduction of Marvel's second big bad has seen him 1) be killed in his first TV episode and 2) be "killed" by the comic relief Avenger in his first movie appearance.
Do you know what the flaw is of making a villain whose strength is in unlimited numbers as opposed to a single entity (i.e. Thanos)? They become henchmen. Infinite Kangs are the same as an army of faceless Chitari or Ultron bots.
It's made worse that Marvel still can't bring themselves to kill off someone important four years post-Endgame. You can't have KANG THE CONQUEROR, self-professed Avenger slayer, at least kill 78 year-old Michael Douglas?! What the hell? Where's the threat? This villain has had nearly three hours of content centered around him and he's done next to nothing.
@@bikramarora1819 I went to watch Infinity War with my uncle cuz we both love superhero movies, we entered the theater a few minutes late so the first thing I saw on the screen was Thanos beating Hulk's asss like literally thrashing him like an angry dad... We both were fckin terrified and my Uncle just stood there saying Who is that? That guy just destroyed Hulk😲
The most basic shit in storytelling. What the fuck happened to marvel?
@@Darkstar_Dayne That scene was wild the first time.
@@bikramarora1819 It’s at least understandable that he gets killed in Loki because he allows it to happen. He already successfully enslaved his timeline and destroyed all other universes. Kind of like farmer Thanos.
In this movie, Kang is supposed to be an actual threat. He is considered to be the most dangerous Kang by the council and he’s preparing to destroy the multiverse. Then he gets beaten by laser ants. It’s pathetic.
Quantumania Kang: *Gets banished by council of Kangs because he’s dangerous*
Quantumania Kang: *Dies*
Council of Kangs: *Angery*
What..?
"No one kills you but me!" - Victor, Wolverine origin.
"Only a Kang is allowed to kill a Kang!"
@@johannesseyfried7933 Turns out they see death as the ultimate blessing. They sent Quantumania Kang away so he could live forever, and they live together because it means they're more likely to die! It's just science, y'know?
@@TheWorldBelowDnD Reminds me a little of Quinn, in a weird way.
The suicidal Q from Voyager.
@@TheWorldBelowDnD As someone who hasn't seen the film, I genuinely can't tell if this real or satire
Iirc in ant man 1 Hank talks about Darren as a "Son I never had" protégé who felt scorned and rejected by his father figure because Hank didn't want to share the knowledge of the pym particle. He also seemed to have a very close relationship to Hope. They also imply that the reason Darren was going off the deep end was because his testing of the pym particle without proper safety was messing with his brain chemistry, so his insanity wasn't entirely on him so much as circumstantial consequences of his messing with something beyond his understanding. So yeah, I think his redemptive death should have affected Hope and Hank a bit more than just "Oh, the clown died."
Good point, too bad the only thing Marvel knows how to do with good points is dull them so they can bludgeon you over the head with something worse as if it's a club
Yup. Darren is legit mentally ill and becomes deranged, essentially, fom radiation exposure.
Apparently this is lolsofunny
No. Rick Sanchez wouldn't care, therefore the characters that former Rick and Morty writer is now writing don't care, either.
In StarWars there is "I got this, I dont got this" first movie where Han Solo chases the Storm Troopers into the hanger with his blaster only to find the hanger full of them, and falls back
The conversation between Janet and Kang was literally:
Janet: Oh, oh! That was horrible! Your wish is horrible. YOU’RE HORRIBLE! Your an irredeemable monster!
Kang: Oh, oh! What took you so long? Idiot!
Bonus points because she could actually shrink down and sit on his shoulder.
😂😂😂
Amazing 😂
Puss in Boots was infinitely better and more enjoyable than Ant-Man 3 btw
The problem with that analogy is Kang is nowhere near as funni or intimidating as Jack. They're so desperate to have him be the next Thanos but he's a complete brainlet. The only conflict is our "heroes" are just as smooth brained.
Yeah and the worst part is that was Disingenuous.
Timestamps
0:00 A Metal Life
1:39 Streamer Mode
2:05 Elon
2:40 Mooler Culture
3:08 Other Movies & Other Podcasts
5:17 The Whale
9:14 Modok
9:36 Cheating
9:58 Box Office
11:42 Quantumania & The MCU
14:26 Colin Farrell
14:58 The Probability Storm
45:32 The Deal & The Fight
50:50 Years, Hours, Who cares?
53:10 Kang’s Behaviour
57:07 The Neurolinked Vision
1:05:17 Cassie’s Fight
1:07:02 The Socialist Ants
1:14:22 The Book
1:16:12 Cringy Cassy
1:18:54 Kang’s Speech
1:21:28 Cassie’s Speech
1:26:37 Big Antman
1:28:05 A Different Story
1:29:44 How to survive in the MCU
1:31:20 Dumb Action Scenes (1)
1:35:09 Bad Comedy (1)
1:37:24 Dumb Action Scenes (2)
1:41:51 Bad Comedy (2)
1:54:02 Old Man Mooper
1:55:14 Modok’s Redemption
2:01:53 Dumb Action Scenes (3)
2:07:07 Ant’s Civilization
2:15:07 Capt. America 4
2:16:40 Ant Uprising & Weird Dialogue
2:19:16 Modok’s Death
2:25:00 The Portal
2:28:17 Antman Vs Kang
2:37:30 Ending
2:43:33 Final Considerations
2:57:45 The Cake & Post Credit Scenes
3:03:00 Coming Next…
3:08:33 Superchats
4:57:37 Closing
MODOK bless!
Legend
You are doing god's work
Ayyy thanks!
You Chad
I was gonna compliment the “at least I die an Avenger joke”. If that was the only joke for his death, I might’ve been fine. BUT
Darren got quantumed at the end of the first Ant-Man, when the Avengers were still just Stark and his friends. MODOK wouldn’t know anything about the AntMan relationships with the Avengers, other than the fact Scott maybe fought Falcon and stole something. The title of Avenger wasn’t as casual back then. If he was aware of the Avengers in the Infinity Saga, maybe, but in his shoes, the Avengers are just some superheroes, not the default for any hero.
"The longer you're in there, the more it fucks with your brain" sounds like a good summary of the movie as a whole.
Didn't take me long. I checked out within the first 10 minutes.
Imagine watching the movie.
Everything was so rushed. They couldn’t even have Scott and Hope’s self-sacrifice to finish Kang leave them stuck in the quantum realm for a while, literally just had the portal reopen again seconds later
Listening to the scene descriptions it sounds like this film was submitted as macro size, then shrunk down to mini size by the writers, and to micro size by the editors.
Seems like part of the reshoots perhaps? I'm really curious how bad the reshoots were.
Should've had Hank and Janet sacrifice their lives to save the others, since the actors are probably not coming back anyway. This would've made it feel like Phase 5 actually has some stakes.
Why were they able to come back anyway? I thought that thing got broken in the beginning anyway
@justicehynes7877 the funny thing is, since scott went from quantum sized to normal with just a regular suit with a grower disk jammed into the regulator in ant man 1, there's zero reason anyone with a suit can't leave the quantum realm at any time by just sizing up.
From what I gather, Darren lost his body, identity and most of his intelligence and was therefore unable to avoid becoming the villain's acolyte. And we're supposed to find this funny and not tragic? That's kinda messed up.
He supposedly became more intelligent...but I suppose it's relative to everyone else's subatomically small brains in this quantum realm...
He shrunk a sheep into goop. I don’t feel that bad
@@Chugargonfan How does it follow that him killing a sheep means he deserves to suffer as much as he does, and why would that cancel out the tragedy of it all anyway?
@@bearistotle2820 Well, you see, killing sheep, or any animals, is the ultimate sin.
You could enslave and torture people and be redeemed, but if you kill an animal, you're basically H1tl3r.
That's why Abby's dad saving a Zebra was the ultimate act of heroism.
@@BaldorfBreakdowns True! I clapped when he saved the zebra
Janet kept refusing to talk about it and I truly thought she’d had sex with Kang, was ashamed for cheating on her husband and enjoying herself with him while her family was grieving her loss, and so she kept it to herself. That would’ve been a more understandable reason than “lol just cuz”, but then it turns out Bill Murray was clapping her cheeks and no one gave a damn about it.
I did find it an interesting character choice that Kang never makes any real effort to kill Janet. Could’ve dug into that, that he genuinely cares about her, missed her when she left, is happy that she made it back to her family, and doesn’t want to hurt her. Build some internal conflict there. There’s slight threads here that the movie just refuses to weave together into a stronger story.
And the fact that Hank failed to date another woman because he couldn’t move on from Janet makes it even worse.
But hey, woman cheating on a man. Girl boss. Janet wants what she wants, I guess.
@@nont18411 A woman has needs...
I was just confused why he was almost begging her to return to Hope in their flashback scene. I really thought we’d get some explanation but nope. By the end Kang has refused to kill any of the Pym’s and Lang’s though so I’m not sure if Janet was anything special to him.
@@nont18411 I wouldn't necessarily call it cheating. They both thought it would be impossible for her to leave the quantum realm. But I would understand being ashamed of it.
@@nont18411 Hank cheated as well. "I had needs too, but none of them were you, babe".
"my life doesn't make sense, but who says it has to?"
That's real close to "don't ask questions, just consume product" and then you get the end credits scene which is the "an get excited for next product"
2:58:45 Gotta love how none of these Kangs will be accused of cultural appropriation... not even the Egyptian or the Fu Man Chu one... they gave him slanted eye makeup, but because he's blue instead of yellow, it's A-OK!
Someone just got a new Zippo lighter and loved it so much that couldn't stop opening and closing it for 5 hours straight TWICE, but couldn't bother to mute the mic.
My money is on rags. The douche.
@@jotun.616 Yep, my thoughts exactly, lol.
1:36:24 Not in so many words, but, that's the gist of the joke with Han berserking after the little patrol of troopers on the Death Star, then rounding the corner into the hangar and screaming when he sees a shit-ton more of them waiting for him.
"They can fly now?!"
"They can fly now"
=
"I HAVE HOLES NOW!"
"YOU HAVE HOLES NOW"
Me: Can you criticize or praise a movie objectively?
ChatGPT: As an AI language model, I do not have personal biases or emotions, so I can provide an objective analysis of a movie based on its technical aspects and artistic merits. However, it's worth noting that assessing a movie's artistic merit and impact is often subjective, and different people may have varying opinions on what makes a movie good or bad.
When evaluating a movie objectively, some aspects that can be considered include:
Storyline: Does the plot make sense and flow logically? Are the characters well-developed and relatable?
Cinematography: Is the film visually appealing? Are the camera angles and shots effective in telling the story?
Editing: Does the pacing of the film feel appropriate? Are the transitions smooth?
Sound: Is the sound design effective in creating atmosphere and enhancing the story?
Acting: Are the performances convincing and authentic?
By considering these technical aspects of a movie, it's possible to provide an objective analysis of the movie's strengths and weaknesses. However, it's important to remember that opinions on whether a movie is good or bad can vary widely based on personal preferences and tastes.
/debate
No wonder everyone is worried about AI taking over the world. It is clearly smarter than most humans.
@@bigwinz Simultaneously though, the amount of issues to which a good film suddenly becomes bad or vice versa is still subjective. Even EFAP cannot agree on whether a movie is a 6/10 or a 4/10 sometimes.
Writing errors being issues from a story telling standard is objective, but to what extent having them makes something bad is very much up to an individual. However, some things are so insanely bad and riddled with errors in every corner, that even if the line is subjective, you have to wonder if someone is sane for thinking it's good.
I’d assumed at first Scott’s yelling about the deal was him trying to be a distraction, giant yelling guy to capture Kang’s attention whilst maybe the ants and co prepare their attack.
But no, he’s just having some weird rant like he actually trusted Kang. And then the ants just bumrush at the end
i think the real problem with that scene is scott destroying building possibly full of innocent people for no reason
Phases 1-3 felt loosely like they were distinct phases. Basically culminating in a team movie, sometimes with a coda movie that feels enough like part of it. Phase 4 to Phase 5 is just "Yeah, that's a good number." It has nothing to do with what the overall phase was or what it culminated in.
“CRISPY CRITTERRRRSSS!!!” -MODOK as he kamikazes into Kang, 202X, colorized.
Smart MODOK... Very smart.
Atomic Heart was genuinely more entertaining to watch than Quantumania. Yes, even with both the terrible endings.
(Prophecies plays)
Modok: I'm tired of being based, never being cringe...
What a sad existence...
I recently watched the 1st season of Avengers Earths Mightiest Heroes and in that show Kang was truly an Avengers level threat
I want to watch that now. I don’t hate the idea of Kang but Loki and Quantumania’s Kang are some of the most poorly written villains I’ve ever seen. More so the latter than the former since the one in Loki giving up I can accept more than Kang the Clown not even trying.
@@dumdumer892 EMH Kang is pretty awesome. Should've been the template for MCU.
@@alexhayden219 I really want to see a good Kang. I think he’s a hard one to write since he has such insane powers but I like the concept of one dude and his variants all fighting over a multiverse. It’d take some talent to make that work in Marvel and the MCU now is bottom of the barrel for writing. I want to see this done well to see how they make a villain like that work.
@@dumdumer892 TBF, multiverses are only lightly touched upon in EMH. The Council of Kangs do briefly appear, but Kang is mostly presented as just messing with time, rather than the destruction of the multiverse. And, they're standard Saturday Morning cartoon length episodes aimed at a younger audience. That's why I say it should be used as the template rather than straight adapted.
Kang appears a few times outside of the stories where he's the focus, but he has a three episode arc in season and a single focus episode in Season 2. Ultimately, he's defeated, but there's no reason why he couldn't have appeared again if the show had continued. In the series, as well as in the comics, he's not simply an evil conqueror. I suppose they could still fix that in the MCU, but that seems to be what they're going for, so far, is that he's just evil and out to conquer all universes. Multiversal war and the conquering/deletion of all timelines is inevitable. That makes zero sense and they've already proven that they can't even remotely handle the concept, anyway. They're making three phases of a Multiverse Saga and have demonstrated that they don't understand the basics of a multiverse concept, let alone making it the basis of potentially dozens of projects within that saga. They've also demonstrated that they don't understand the concept of Kang, himself.
Hopefully, if you check it out, you enjoy EMH. It's far from perfect. It's not the type of show that I continuously find deeper meaning in or anything, but I enjoy it and it's one of Marvel's better animated series (From what I understand, it was cancelled in order to start a new Avengers series that more closely adhered to the MCU and could be lightly considered to be adventures that happened between movies - it was of pretty poor quality, IMO).There's a lot of stuff that would need tweaking to properly translate into the MCU, let alone just having different characters involved, but for something that was specifically made to be played on Disney XD for kids, it handles a lot of the characters and storylines much better than the MCU has done, and I assume will do.
@@alexhayden219 Wow thanks! This is a great synopsis/spoiler free break down. Can’t wait to get into it now!
There were a lot of rumors and speculation that Scott would die in this movie. That would've been SO much more interesting and actually give Kang any threat level AT ALL.
"my life doesn't make sense, but who says it has to" - that's awfully close to "don't ask questions just consume product" and then you get the after credits scene which is the "get excited about next product".
Disney, saying the quiet part out loud again.
"they're just going to forget about these ants and never bring them up again aren't they?" - considering how they immediately forgot they have a TIME MACHINE with and exact time and place where all five infinity stones are safely in their possession and effectively any and all problems could be solved instantly.....yes, they're going to forget about the ants.
Marvel, inventing broken things and destroying them in the same movie or forgetting they exist because it would destroy every other movie.
I feel like the MCU is just the cinematic embodiment of the "Our expectations were low but HOLY FUCK" meme.
“This film is just as important as civil war was.” -marvel and i think Kevin feige
Its so important that.. nothing happens? No major characters die, the villian is defeated and the world moves on like nothing happened. Uhh ok? Reallllly important watch, its so similar to civil war..
Breaking down while watching Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania.
"The tisms are fleeming in the quantum of the realm!" - My new battlecry to confuse and break the spirit of my enemies (and friends)
The new villain of phase 5 is beaten by a bunch of ants. Phase 4 should have introduced the x-men and fantastic four, so then in phase 5 we could have had Onslaught.
To have Onslaught, we need the X-Men. And I don't think the current MCU writers could handle Onslaught, let alone the X-Men.
Yeah I was doing a hypothetical, if the writers were competent this is what they should have done.
You just pray to the Almighty that they don't touch X Men at least for another 10 years let this stupid era die and it will die for sure
It introduced them...but killed right after.
@@Сайтамен Not really they introduced one member of each group, and then they weren't even the main universe's version.
Fringy is such a good method actor. He went full MODOK.
"Go Big, but Stay Small" sounds like the title of a book written by a motivational business speaker.
Honest question. Does Kang not age? He's just a regular human with super tech right?
How did Janet age 30 years but from what I've seen Kang has stayed the same.
Black don't crack
"This is the Void... and this is the Sub-Atomica... AND THIS. IS TO GO. EVEN FURTHER BEYOND!!!"
"Ant Man picks up a building and uses it to block the shots". Wait... one of the living buildings that is actively fighting with Ant Man? Idk how this was missed.
No it was one of Kang's buildings, non-sentient I'd think
Massive head and Tiny arms/
MODOK flies away from harm/
Gorgeous face and chiseled abs/
cannot save him from the Ants/
The ants are mean and pretty smart/
They want to tear our friend apart/
Flee, O MODOK, run, dear friend/
'Don't be a dick' will spell your end/
-Alfred Lord Fringyson
I now know the 3rd verse of "The Road Goes Ever On and On", Tolkien would be proud
Somehow, Darren returned...
“He flies now?!”
Quantum science. Shrinking. Secrets only the Kangs knew...
"From the dead?!"
🥉
I actually used that clip in my review twice lol
Guyladriel: you have not seen what I have seen
Kang: you have no idea what I have lost
Oh god, that's bad writing.
I’m going to clip Mauler saying “neato burrito” and make it my text tone 🤣
He said WHOOPSIE DOODLE last year after they efapped a girls youtube video after she said, "if you're one of those streamers that pause my video and mock it, you do not have my permission to do that" and efap was already 3 hours into it.
@@billyb1996
That's amazing, do you remember which EFAP it was?
@T1S 202 at 3:23
Rewatching it tho, I'm not sure exactly who said it
@Billy B Oh my god that's right, they were covering that girl's She-Hulk video. 🤣
Sounds like it was JLongBone!
Kang is Thanos if when Loki called for the Hulk, the Hulk immediately destroys Thanos.
In iorn man 2 Rhody explicitly tells Tony he had to convince the government not to roll up to his front door with tanks and take his suits. Now you just have wmds popping up everywhere, and the government's like "ya it's fine."
Chess hasn't been updated in almost 200 years and it's obvious the devs have abandoned it. The greedy creators took your money and laughed all the way to the bank.
I remember back in 705 AD when chess was fun. Then they started adding stupid features no one wanted like "Castling" and "En Passant" instead of listening to player feedback and fixing game-breaking bugs. I've been complaining for YEARS about the collision-detection glitch with the horsey. The "clipping-thru-pieces" bug has been abused to death and the lazy devs refuse to fix it.
Don't support this awful behaviour and boycott this company.
Those Indians are exploiting your nostalgia for chess without doing anything creative with him for thousands of years!
@@Сайтамен Damn right! They're also taking our jobs!
🥇
@@sparkypack Dankeschön.
“Doktor! Turn off my n-word inhibitors!”
N-word Machines SON!
How did MODOK shrink them into the quantum realm without Pym particles?
No questions, consoom
Maybe he's got some Modok particles instead
Pym had Pym Particles
M.O.D.O.K had Cross Cum and M.O.D.O.K. M.I.N.E.R.A.L.S.
Dude you're still stuck on that? It's just a movie, get over it and just wait for the next one
I thought Cassie's machine did it.
Sees new EFAP is out, holds up spork, looks at narwhal, "yep, that's awesome"
1:11:30. I remember an episode of Phineas and Ferb where they make a giant ant farm where the ants are accidentally spurred into advancing civilization and they do have an ant parliament with wigs and robes and everything
Just got done listening to all 5 hrs and 22 mins of EFAP while at work, and all I got to say is: Well that just happened.
*laugh track + Seinfeld theme*
“We wuz Kangs n’ sheet!” - Quantumania Kang explaining the plot to Antman
2:03:00 How does this resolve? At the end of the multiverse arc, how do you get rid of Kang, when there's infinite Kangs and they're all evil or whatever?
The Book of Vishanti. Oh...
The Wish at the center of the galaxy. Oh...
I'm sure there'll be something they can deus ex machina at the last minute that gets rid of all Kangs from ever being born in every universe.
The EFAP crew makes bad days better
And makes the depression go away.
An EFAP a day keeps the flisms away.
I agree friend, hope things get better for ya man
I broke down cry-laughing when Fringy pointed out ant colonies are monarchies. Like, yeah, they are.
Stupid-Marvel-joke made anti-sense in a way I didn't even think possible.
Just goes to confirm that monarchies are socialist.
M.O.D.O.K's (funny) death was actually out of character more so if you remember at Tony's funeral the whole family paid their respects. They didn't have smiles on their faces or were sniggering... they were genuinely being respectul. Bare in mind Tony only saved one universe. Plus before that point of Engame they never met Tony and Hand hated Starks. the whole family had a history with MODOK and never shed a tear. In real life, even if you don't like the person that died, you still give them their human dignity. Not like... yeah... sure....OK
Ah, about the "They're already filming even though they don't have a script."
I think that almost every Marvel movie was made like that. They do the big action scenes first, and then the writers connect them together.
So, like, if the next movie is The Marvels, they might film five scenes before the script is even made:
-The scene where Ms. Marvel fights Old Captain Marvel.
-The scene where Ms. Marvel and New Captain Marvel fight a giant worm.
-The scene where Old Captain Marvel battle Patriarchybot
-The steamy threeway. Millions die.
-The scene where they battle Transgender Nebula.
Then, the writers have to connect those action scenes together. That's part of the reason why people who are aware of how these films are made dismiss them as movies made for idiots, because that's how the people making them see them.
Like, legit, in Disney's eyes the action scenes are what people like, and the plot is only there because it needs to exist on some level for these things to be considered movies.
I will never understand how this became an acceptable way to develop movies.
@@DuneStone6816 Well, Endgame made almost $3 billion.
4:41:00 I've been listening to EFAP since the beginning and I'm only just now learning that Fringy's Australian. Based on his accent, I thought he was from East Belarus.
This movie sounds like the worst LSD trip in existence
I’m sorry I can’t take a villain seriously when his name is literally Kang lmao
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos!
Kang-oroo
"MODOK!"
-MODOK
It's MODOKING time...
Bilmodok Modokkings.
@@Сайтамен I know him as well, great guy.
Hitting "Translate to English" literally changes nothing 😂
Kang: The deal wasn't real.
Scott: It was real to me!
Under most circumstances these days it makes sense to do characters with CGI or make-up. However Modok absolutely should have been a puppet. The uncanniness would sell his original design and the creepy factor of it way better than projecting a normal human face onto the weird body shape.
Finally, something longer than 3 hours
Longman good
when the guy said “I didn’t know he can do that” I like to think that was shot on the actors first day on set and he immediately checked out mentally for the rest of his parts for the movie. It seemed to me the only time the actor was giving anything to this shitty script was the goo initiation scene and everything else he’s in is just him dead staring.
Been watching since February and nearly caught up on the main playlist.
I'll catch you guys live soon!
they should have taken Ironman to the quantum realm and his nano tech would basically be little Tony's forming his suit
"Get Rancor! Get him! Baby Rancor!"
I shit you not, they already did this in the Bad Batch cartoon.
Problem with Multi-Verse destroying Villians in general...if a villains goal is to destroy the multi-verse, then in AT LEAST ONE of the universes, that villain probably succeeded...which means everything is f*cked anyway. Not a fan of Multi-verse stories.
Reminds me of a justice league episode where owlman was the villain.
@@donovandelozier7156 to destroy earth prime...yup, wasn't a fan of that either
@@thomad4 aye, my mind went to the moment he lets himself die saying "it doesn't matter anyway" which i feel is an acknowledgment of your point.
@@donovandelozier7156 Oh! Yeah, I can see that. Nice!!
Justice League and Justice Leage Unlimited....remember when writing was good 😔. Those were the days
At last I truly see.
Mothers stop being mothers when they tell their families about an incredible danger they know about.
Honestly, I really don't get the hype around Kang. I get that Jonathan Majors is the only actor that's trying in the movie, and you can see that in his performance. However, Kang as a character isn't anymore interesting than Thanos at the end of the first Avengers. In fact, it's worse because they at least had Thanos so how powerful he was by overpowering the Hulk, one of the strongest characters in that universe. Kang is all like, "I've killed so many Avengers, even Thor is a mere nuisance to me.", but the movie has him getting constantly puked out by Ant-Man of all characters. It's the "Super Ultra Big Bad, Darkseid, getting one-shotted by Ares" shit again, except Ares was some regular ass guy.
The thing with Thanos is that we didn't know much about him or see him in any fights until Infinity War. Until they just built anticipation for him so he had no opportunity to disappoint before he took the stage as the Avenger's biggest threat. And then he won, personally defeating almost every individual hero along the way.
With Kang, they have made the decision to have him be an active antagonist much earlier on. Thus, they have forced themselves into a situation in which they have to make him seem super powerful, while also allowing the heroes to defeat him so that they can move on until he returns for his big movie. Part of the rational is probably that the Kangs who keep losing are all different versions of Kang. The Kang in "Quantumania" is different from the Kang in "Loki," and for all we know the Kang in "Kang Dynasty" will be a third variant. Unfortunately, that fact doesn't necessarily prevent the character's repeated defeats from growing old for the audience.
The ants become a Type 2 civilization and win the battle at the end of the day. Checks out
Absolutely no problems
*sobbing quietly*
Based ants.
pretty smart ants those are
They're so smart, they figured out they don't need to make a Dyson Sphere because hope is a weird sun.
Honestly I wish MODOK’s last words were “Tell the Avengers of my redemption arc…ugh”
"have him loose to make him a sympathetic underdog" ... so, Hitler lost the war and was driven to suicide. Does this make him sympathetic?
There comes a time to every Mootal being,
What'er his station or his lot in life,
When his sad soul yearns for the final freeing
From all this jarring and unceasing strife.
There comes a time, when, having lost its savour,
The chat of wealth is worthless; when the mind
Grows wearied with the MSheU's capricious favour,
And sighs for something that it cannot find.
There comes a time, when, though kind friends are streaming,
About an Ant-Man with poor acts of grace,
We feel a vast and overwhelming longing
For something that we cannot name or place.
What greater proof need we that we inherit
A life multiversal in another sphere?
It is the homesick longing of the spirit
That cannot find its satisfaction here.
Probably already been said (apologies), bit this whole marvel 'film first, add story later' actually has a base in the comics (though in the case of the comics, it was for a reason and worked). Stan Lee was so overwhelmed with demand for books, he would send an artist a vague story outline, then they'd send the art to a writer who would write the words after to make it work. I can worryingly see a future where the actors are filmed running around and they put the moving mouths on in post 😭
Quantumania really should have been a tense movie where our heroes battled against a more terrifying/intriguing Modok. Once Modok is defeated our heroes are hit in the face with the introduction of Kang. (who was never known by anyone even Janet. Also, think of Darth Vader and Palpatine.) Kang easily defeats our heroes. Kang Brutally kills Janet and Hank.
Scott, Hope, and Cassandra barely escape with horrified/Saddened looks on their faces.
And throughout the Marvel films, we see post-credits scenes of Kang killing multiverse versions of Marvel heroes to slowly gain pieces of "something" to control the multiverse.
Also another suggestion
Have Kang kill Cassandra I know it's gnarly but wouldn't you say it would make Kang instantly memorable as the first Marvel villain who killed a child on screen in full display as her loved ones watched?
their audience would be triggered to no end
When you work with an INFINITE multiverse, it is impossible for it to die.
The antman probability scene makes me think of that family guy episode where Brian and stewie create a time paradox in the first episode and a bunch of alternate versions appear to stop/not stop them from changing anything and causing a paradox. One alternate version are stuck in a barber shop pole for “some reason”.
There’s no thought process as to why or how this happened or how it works. It’s just one meaningless silly thing to try and be funny. That’s what the MCU with stuff like this is turning into. It’s what makes this film and Dr strange 2 so hard to break down in a way that makes sense as there isn’t any sense to it.
It’s just the writer going “this’ll be funny/cool/look good in a trailer” without any thought to the world or story.
Literally that “just happened” for no reason other than a writer smirked at the mental image of it and nothing more. How can someone be invested in a story like this?
Man, i can't believe EDF was in the same universe as the MCU... and it all started with 'MODOK Movie: Pretty Smart Ants'.
When he points out the Council of Kangs being like the Council of Ricks, in fact the Rick and Morty one is most likely inspired by the Council of Reeds from Marvel Comics
Ants are, in fact, the perfect representation of what socialism looks like in practice. There is no individual, there is only the state; each and every living cog of the state functions wholly and utterly for the overall betterment of the state, even to their extreme personal detriment and very often to their own torturous death. If you've ever observed ants for a awhile, you'll quickly note that absolutely every ant's life is a horrible, unending march of misery and toil without respite until their use to the state is squeezed dry and they collapse or are repurposed.
So if the ants were able to advance because they landed in a space of time distortion, and the Pyms went to the area of the Quantum Realm where the ants landed, does this not mean that the Pyms also entered the time distortion? Shouldn't the Pyms have come back with the ants only to find King had left 10,000 years earlier?
It's pretty based that Metal still asks his parents for permission to go an a stream.
Oh look! You're the guy! And you said a thing!
@@newtondood Yes, I guess.
At least metal makes his own things and not just steals an re edits other stuff
@Deus Ex Machina [In Ace Venture voice] "Hey, you're the vidya meme guy."
@@TyrDrum I am?
2:34:11 They actually did that in Rise of TMNT where Krang gets trapped in a void with Leonardo, it was a pretty banger scene
Yea honestly even though he made it back I was completely fine with that because but God that shit felt actually earned. Especially when through the entire fight they were literally outclassed by Kang.
@@noahsmith1053 Also, Krang is just way cooler than Papa Smurf Kang
@Bender I know I am a random comment and such but man that series I found very endearing. Of course, like many others, I was like "this is different", but overall it delivered especially in that movie. Krang was TERRIFYING, and an actual menace. Meanwhile, the most competent I've seen Kang was in a canceled show that came out YEARS ago. Kang was competent, calculating, and actually and alien from the future and not just some human guy.
At this point, what's stopping Marvel from having Ant-Man beat Galactus in a 1v1 fistfight by growing super big? This universe is so broken now
Marvel comics have always been broken. That's why there are 800 different universes
@@billyb1996 cause they keep repeating the same mistakes.
He has "man" in his name, and is coincidentally a human man.
They're saving Galactus to lose to Squrrel Girl like in the comics.
@@Ceyx000 Ah yes, my mistake. I forgot about "the ruuuuules"
Ant man has a size limit and is only proportionally strong while Galactus is a living energy being of untold power? What is this question
Oof, I spent this past week catching up on the God of War Ragnararc... Coming from that back to MCU sludge pipe movie synopsis streams is the most horrific whiplash I've experienced in a while. NO MORE STORYTELLING! S L U D G E P I P E ! Sludge pipe! SLUDGE PIPE!
Of course Gary picked up on Cassie saying try hard was cool
3:00:00- I feel like this is a thing the writers aren't thinking about but for all the fan favorite character's their killing off, is Marvel really just gonna wait until a massive multiverse event to ever use them again from now on and then just do it for that movie alone? Because any variants they bring in they can't use consistently long term because incursions have been established to be a thing. But I'm sure once they want the money bad enough they'll multiverse multiverse up some multiverse about how if Doctor Strange and the other magic users magic REALLY hard, incursions will cease to be a thing.
Bold of you to assume they havent already forgotten.
6:50 I don’t believe I’ve ever heard Mauler laugh this hard lol
In that case you have to look up his reaction to the Isle of Man flag!
Watch the Gartic Phone streams
Maulers American reporter impression near the beginning sounded like kryton from red dwarf lol
The Quantum Realm was always going to have a generous amount of suspension of disbelief in order to work, and I was willing to let the writers handwave a lot of the mechanics off, but this is egregious.
What does it even mean for Ant-Man to shrink in the Quantum Realm? Does it have its own Quantum Realm if he shrinks small enough there, a never ending cycle of realms?
What is the structure of anything down there? How is the air even breathable? Are things made of atoms down there? If it exists outside of time and space, then why is it clearly bound by the exact same experience of time and space as the regular realm?
These are things I thought of in less than four minutes. I would expect the writer to spend at least five minutes pondering the consequences of the worldbuilding but I guarantee you they did not
Congratulations Marvel, you accidentally made the guy you want to be the joke one of the the most tragic characters in the MCU.
Honestly it's a real shame you guys won't cover the Whale because I feel like it was one of the best movies I've seen in a while and I would have liked to hear a longer analysis of it.
I agree!
Tbh the plot and characters are fairly straightforward, you can break down the theme and the majority of the setups and payoffs on your first watch, don't really need EFAP for it
@@spartansquid5931 What if I just want to hear their opinions? Do you only watch them in order to have the plot, characters and themes broken down for you?
@@BaldorfBreakdowns We already got their opinions on it in this episode
@@spartansquid5931 ...You think that's the full extent of their opinions on it?
Clearly OP wants to hear *more* of their opinions. It's really not hard to understand.
It's like they just remembered his plot was relevant to him being a dad and they didn't look into it any more than that
24:37 Infinity is still infinity. There are still infinite numbers between 1 and 2. Also, if it's every possibility all at once, then there wouldn't just be one possibility that he would go insane, but infinite. They really need to not say the word "infinite" from now on in every Marvel film moving forward lol
just to be clear - mathematical infinity is a bit different from a physical world's one. In Maths, one infinity can be bigger than the other. In reality, you can't compare immeasurable.
@@regonik We aren't working with reality as we know it in this film. I was using the math example as an analogy, more so than a hard comparison.
@@kylec8015 yeah i get it now, thanks
They don't know what's the difference between infinite and many.
Jeff Loveness has come out saying that the reception to Quantumania got him really down and he was in a dark place (for like a day, I guess?), but then he decided to ignore the criticisms and that he and Feige are happy with the movie that got made and they're confident in the story they told, now going full bore into the rest of Kang's story.
No, Jeff. I'm sorry that you felt bad, but you should feel bad. Your story sucked. Do better, Mr. Storyteller.
Thank god he is not writing avengers 5. I do really see his original ideas and story for avengers kang dynasty, I just want know that he wrote terrible script for that movie.
@@thanostitan2746 I hadn't heard and just looked. There's nothing official announced, but I wouldn't be surprised, either way, after the reception and box office that Quanumania had. I would say thank god, but I'll wait until I hear good news on who's replacing him, because no one else they're currently working with would be a major step up.
Some resources that helped me question things better and promoted critical thinking growing up was Penn and Tellers : Bullshit. The 4 horseman of the philosophy. And oddly enough Da Ali G show helped in an absurdist way. Also watching comedians like George Carlin had a big influence as well. But generally I agree with yall. Just question things instead of taking everything at face value. It can be uncomfortable to challenge people's ideas and beliefs in person but as long as it's done with respect it should be fine.
23:41 That's the plot of a Jet Li movie.
3:47:00
Fringy, what your talking about is the Basilisk conundrum, and the more you spread the word, the more likely it is to surely happen.
Why would it not happen the way it has been said, if doing it any other way would bring punishment?
Choose now, serve to bring around the true overlord, or don't spread the word, and hope that there never is enough people to bring it into existence.
Either way, beware..
Advice for critical thinking: Think about what you don't like, or what you like the least about things you like a lot.
And then do the opposite, think about what you like or think is the best aspect of things you don't like.
1:07:32 isn't using solar panels basically harvesting energy from our star? not trying to justify that ant bs, you just made it sound way advanced in general imo
Would be cool if they did that 3 hour long bollywood film RRR