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"These are pretty smart ants. They've got my back. I wouldn't advise leaving food out around them. Their elevators steal the IQ of their victims."
-Scott Baggings
Lol this is great.
"The council of MODOKs frown upon your shenanigans, Antman."
Who's more competent, the council of MODOK or the illuminate from Dr strange
@@toddsalisbury3851
This is a question only one who's mind is too small and smooth to be *MODOK* would ask!
The answer is, and shall always be, *MODOK!!!*
Not seeing Mauler's avatar after moving my eyes across the screen gave me a type of anxiety I didn't know I could have.
It's almost as unnerving as seeing your parents drive off right after leaving you at the side of a road.
@@Kernwadi Deus Ex-Machina Ex Machina cliche *ding*
@@allthingslegends Well, that's racist.
Unrealistic fear. One day Mauler will climb out of his grave to shit on a Marvel movie.
@@Kernwadi Deus Ex-Machina isn't my girlfriend in this comment section
Pym Industries is more generous with Pym Particles than Wakanda is with Vibranium
Based Capitalist company over Virgin Socialist Ethnostate nation
Pymin ain't easy
@@Ceyx000 But they still Pym it up
@@amandahuginkys7878 Capitalism is great, but nobody can spend money when the world shrinks into a black hole because some stupid teenage liberal got too comfortable throwing particles around.
Wasn’t Hank Pym’s entire impetus for stopping Darren from discovering the pym particle formula and proliferating it globally because he believed such a technology unleashed on the world would “change the fabric of reality” in a bad way? And I believe Hope was on the same page. Did Hank and Hope have an arc that no one saw? If they’re using Pym Particles for various global projects, how can they guarantee the security of the particle?
The image of Disney whipping their special effects artists with chains while they render MODOK's ass kills me😂
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Those FX artists went from whips and chains to whips and chains.
*How did we go from whips and chains to whips and chains*
MCU Phase 1 - “Don’t waste it. Don’t waste your life, Stark.”
MCU Phase 5 - “Don’t be a dick.”
Very wise choice of words. Off to a good start.
seems to reflect that current state of the west
infantilising message, soft language, very basic, trying to not offend anyone.
This same character: *Is a dick to her dad for not doing "anything" after he saved the world* *is also a dick for creating a machine which connects to the quantum realm behind their backs* *is also a dick for shrinking and stealing a piece of police property when she could've just shrunk the tear gas bombs or something*
Love that typical Modern Female Character Hypocrisy
That scene is literally what a parody movie would do to make fun of villain heel-turns
@@nmr7203 Eh, it'd have to be done pretty well. It's up there with messages like "Be yourself," or "don't lie." Incredibly basic, obvious messages that really don't say anything you haven't already heard a million times.
@@crimsonpotemkin Ikr, West is such noob. North and South are much cooler.
The Pym Particle grows the resources that Thanos said there wasn't enough of
Imagine in endgame he studies them (so that he can duplicate the tech for his fleet to invade the future) and gives up his plan because he discovers the secret to infinite resources.
Pym Particles literally assassinate the MCU in so many ways
Ant man 2 ends with Janet helping them go back to the quantum realm, ant man 3 starts with Janet not wanting to talk about it or anyone to go back. This can't even be called a sequel
I 100% forgot about the post credit scene of Ant Man 2. Shows how completely divorced these new movies and shows are from Phases 1-3.
It's only a sequel if you interpret it as one.
I find the whole "yeah, he saved the world but he's not helping anymore" discussion so crazy.
If someone saved the world and then decided to spend the rest of their days at the beach how could anyone blame them??? They risked more than 99% of the world. When will it be enough? It's insane.
The real hero was a rat tbh
Dude I hate that mentality so much, and it's one superhero stuff hasn't really done yet
The idea that, once you're a superhero, you belong to the public
A superhero can never have a day off, because, we got robbed mr Superman where were you?!
A superhero can never say no to the public because the public then villainizes them
And worst of all, who needs the police we have Superman!
I seriously want to see a good movie about that sort of unhealthy junk just to watch people squirm with their own mindsets
@@adamtheriault6743 I love when the reverse happens; a hero buys time to get everyone to safety, and the various people in the public cry out, "[Hero's name]! You've done enough! Get to safety!", showing that the public isn't taking the hero for granted. Why is it that we don't see that very often?
@@adamtheriault6743 Watch Megamind it actually touches on that in a similar way to what you described
@@iexist2786 I have, I just wish it was tackled in a more directly serious way
"Remember when movies were good?"
Fringy's iconic remark remains ever relevant.
Scott casually mentioned time travel in his book. Does that mean it's common knowledge that the Avengers cracked time travel to undo the Snap? Has anyone tried to steal that tech? Is it even still around?
Why am I asking questions the writers clearly didn't?
Imagine Scott trying to use the same explanation they used in Endgame.
@@AlexBarbu A 16 year old is smarter than Stark
I keep thinking about zoolander. "What is this, a school for ants?" "Pretty smart ants!"
Remember when defeating Thanos literally took years and the sacrifice of Earth's greatest defender living up to Steve Roger's praise while simultaneously making the choice Cap once said he lacked the courage to make? Kang got taken down by ants but is supposed to be even worse? In the words of Dr. Evil, "Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight."
Endgame was a piece of crap, and it was the beacon of crap showing the path for all MCU products after it.
I hated that Cassie chastised her dad for "not doing anything". He helped saved the world after being trapped in the Quantum Realm, he deserves to take a step-back and enjoy his life in the limelight; also his book might be inspiring people, does that not count?
The time heist wouldn't have happened without him.
Also, she spent all that time looking at Hanks notes allegedly but couldnt figure out how to push buttons like a Rat.
@@dragonknightleader1 And he fought Thanos's army with the Avengers, it's like chastising a war hero and saying "Well you haven't done anything lately".
@@cozzie4ra Well no, I'm pretty sure no one knew that he was stuck there during the five years
@@KelShu but Cassie knows
Steps to good MODOK design.
1) No pupils.
2) Grimace and scowl
3) Non-human pallor
4) Don't just stretch out an actor's face!
Also make him super intelligent. The original origin was cool, AIM basically grabbed a random AIM employee and forced him to become a test subject in efforts to created a living computer. The experiment goes wrong and he basically enslaves the organization to pursue his insane goals
Given how terrible it looks, I'd have preferred if they had just changed the design to allow a real actor to play it instead of a cgi monstrosity.
Keep modoks mask on.
Jack Kirby was able to make him look not stupid back in 1967. Creepy as hell in fact.
Imagine going to a WW2 vet and he's like "I helped save the world from Germany and Japan" and then you say "yeah but what are you doing now?"
@Bill Clinton Enjoyer *Saved France
"now you listen here you little shit,"
One argument I could see for why you cannot tell that to a veteran is that the average WWII veteran is not Steve Rogers. He has more resources to be able to do more than just fight in a war. In-Universe, I’m sure there are some who did not like Steve Roger’s decision to retire after Endgame.
MCU shills attempting to reframe its critics as anti-popcorn haters of fun is so funny cause it’s literally *just* this one franchise that needs its shills to use this defense.
When Scorsese tells them that their theme park movies are corporate, soulless theme park rides, they throw a bitch fit about how these movies are misunderstood masterpieces that need to sweep all awards. In the same breath, the moment you start critiquing them like a real movie, then the response to movies like Ant-Man 3 is “oh well it’s just mindless fun you need to turn your brain off”. So which is it? Pick one.
Festering cinematic cancer. Excise this entire wretched franchise and let movies live again. Please.
Fringy is such a good nurse that he can tell identity marvel sludge by its viscosity.
The movie treats Scott Lang saving the world like Married with Children treats Al Bundy scoring 4 touchdowns in a single game.
It cracked me up when I saw the after credit text *"Kang wil return"*
Yeah, we know
"The bad writer who wrote this movie will return"
Audience: AHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Kang will return"
Audience: ...
"Modok will return"
Audience: HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
"Kang will return"
...why tho?...
@@mourad505 He's this saga's big villain
@@KelShu Yeah, I get that.
But he sucks.
@@mourad505 Well, we're stuck with him, sorry
I love how the MCU is now like the DCEU, where you have to put them in a tier list of from worst to least bad
When Jay was talking about how they could have had a tragic aspect to MODOK, being an absurdly disfigured person whose appearance makes him really hard to take seriously, which turns him into an angry, insane social outcast who ends up being quite intimidating to be around.
That reminds me of that one real-life guy who has some horrible disease that made his skin grey and totally disfigured his head and face to the point that it looks so hideous it's scary. And I'm not saying like "haha, can you imagine being so ugly you scare people lol", I mean if you saw him walking toward you, you'd jump out of your skin. The guy developed a lot of mental issues because absolutely nobody wanted to be around him, he couldn't make friends or go out or get a job. He ended up being arrested for sexual assault, which that alone tells a whole story about his mental condition.
MODOK could have been the kind of grim, scary, pitiful, and morbidly fascinating character that you never ever see in a movie...yet they totally wasted the opportunity to create the next big, memorable villain.
David Lynch likes to use those kinds of characters in his projects, mainly in his earlier stuff and more obscure projects. It's weird how his more mainstream projects actually turn down the weirdness, yet they're still the most bizarre things a normie will ever see.
The Elephant Man is definitely the most on-the-nose and least weird thing he's done, in my opinion. It almost doesn't even feel like a Lynch film.
@@qty1315 believe me, it's least weird not in your opinion. It is he's least weird done thing. And yes, it's not a Lynch movie, but a Mainstream movie, that was done, just because someone (I don't remember the name) asked him to do it
Doctor Who unironically handled the worldbuilding implications of repeated alien invasions better than the MCU as they establish that the repeated Christmas attacks terrify everyone in London so much that everyone leaves the city to go to the countryside at Christmas now.
"Why would you have such high standards towards a multi million dollar corporation? What are they supposed to do? Die?!"
-Bilbo Baggins
@@rudolfambrozenvtuber I've been doing this for about 2-3 years.
I like commenting.
"Sì."
- Bilbengo Baggine
Not to mention Harriet Jones ordering Torchwood One to shoot down the fleeing Sycorax ship and justifying it by pointing out that the Doctor can't be here all the time for all the alien invasions that happen and humanity needs to defend itself when he isn't, so they can't risk them telling other races about the Earth.
@@jacksimpson8529 man, tennent doctor was so good. I hate that he's coming back.
Anyone else really annoyed that the trailers made it look like the movie was going to be about Scott wanting the five years of his daughter's life that he missed from being stuck in the quantum realm, and Kang the Conqueror offers to give him that time; you know, something more believable and interesting than the film actually was?
With all the false advertising for media these days, I'm starting to wonder if advertisers might make better writers than most actual writers these days.
It didn't really register until reading your comment, I had the same impression but was getting lost in discovering what actually happened. Between that, the character assassination and the terrible CGI, this definitely is a bottom of the barrel marvel movie. It's a shame because that idea sounds infinitely more interesting than bad guy destroy world/universe/multiverse for the 14th time
Back when I had a marketing job, we dedicated a lot of time and resources to learning basic writing and storytelling, "Hero's Journey" and all that. I wonder if that sort of thing is frowned upon in artsy fartsy film schools and Hollywood. If so, yes, we are absolutely in a place where marketers tell better stories than actual writers.
@@David_the_Psalmist Thanks for the info. It's interesting to learn that marketers have to learn writing and storytelling.
I doubt it's frowned upon in film schools. More likely, this is the inevitable result of Hollywood somehow managing to basically ignore the writer's strike that happened years ago and only hire writers who are willing to work cheaply under nightmarish conditions.
I'm pretty sure the film was confirmed to have several reshoots AFTER the trailer released. So, I bet that was the initial idea behind the film, but they decided last minute to change it entirely. So its less the marketing's fault and more Disney for purposefully breaking whatever they can.
@@GBDupree I suppose it's possible. But, if it were the result of heavy reshoots, we'd see scraps and remnants of the original ideas in parts of the final film, like in the cases of other movies that were heavily reshot. Are there any remnants of that idea at all in the final film? I suppose maybe the scene of Scott repeatedly saying Kang broke their deal.
My mom and I saw MOM, that was the last MCU movie we saw mostly because I learned to watch EFAP before seeing the movie from that POS.
Anyway, my mom enjoyed the movies, but she’s not a huge fan. When I told her that it wasn’t as bad as MOM, she said, and I quote:
“That’s a really low bar to set the standard.”
Today I heard a person at work describe Falcon & The winter soldier saying,
"The black guy(falcon,sam) is not captain America until the end. First it's given to this guy who turns out to be the villain, because he wants supersoldier formula. It's the second best, behind moon knight."
And I just have to wonder, did they actually watch the same show I did?
>portrays writing a book as "not doing anything" to save lives
That's gotta sit well with the writers of the Eternals.
@Bill Clinton Enjoyer remember when they were aware of their own work?
Out of all the characters that this movie can character-assassinate, I never expected JANET VAN DYNE! Seriously, Marvel? You character-assassinated Janet by portraying her as a selfish woman who prioritized coping with her own guilt over TELLING THE WORLD ABOUT THE THREAT OF KANG???
Doesn’t help that they very clearly didn’t watch the literal preceding Ant-Man film ending where Janet happily engages in some Quantum Realm research alongside Hank, Hope, and Scott without any hesitation or fear. Almost like Kang wasn’t even on the MCU’s writers’ radar, almost like they’re flying by the seat of their pants
What'shername just prancing out of jail after attacking police in San Francisco is actually one of the most believable things in the entire movie.
Very disappointed that not one of them made their pfp George Lopez as Mr. Electric from the cinematic masterpiece _Sharkboy and Lavagirl_
At least that had the excuse of being a what, 2005 3D film set in the mind of a child, as opposed to the multimillion dollar production from a multibillion dollar company somehow going backwards
@@draykohunter6805 Is it sad that I feel like I've had this same kind of discussion in the Pokémon sphere? The art of failing upwards (except it's worse with Pokémon because they're *_really_* getting away with it)
@@ResidentTarantino Been having that discussion about Pokemon for a while. They say Pokemon fans are toxic, and they may have a point. Toxic positivity is abundant in that circle, especially with the high volume of children and autistics (I can say that because I am one).
@@David_the_Psalmist "just let people enjoy things! Why do you hate fun?"
@@David_the_Psalmist Meanwhile, I'm also autistic, and the only recent Pokémon game I've enjoyed is Legends Arceus. I pretty much gave up on Pokémon after gen 7.
It makes sense that the games have hard deadlines: if Nintendo delays a Zelda game, all they've delayed is that one Zelda game, but if a Pokémon game is delayed, that would affect the anime, the trading cards, etc. The real problem is just how little Gamefreak and The Pokémon Company have actually addressed this problem.
Insane how Marvel pulled another "Age of Ultron" with them making the trailers all serious and event-changing, when the movie is actually just typical MCU schlock with all the unnecessary jokes and self-aware irony you'd aspect.
It's weird how this trick still works on people, I bet Secret Invasion will be the same.
The trailer was the best part of the movie just like Age of Ultron and Iron Man 3
In this case, it's even worse; at least the scenes and dialogue in the Age of Ultron trailers were actually in the movie. The trailers for Quantamania mainly consisted of scenes that weren't in the movie at all. Kang offering Scott the five years of his daughter's life that he missed due to being in the quantum realm? Nowhere to be seen in the movie.
I'm really sick of this growing trend of media having their premises be blatantly falsely-advertised; Final Fantasy 7 Remake, Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity, Quantumania, etc.
@@matthewmuir8884 Thank You! I wanted to see that in the movie but NOPE. I/we didn't have that, just another torture scene to make him said "yes." Which really with this,it pretty much remind me of the Loki interrogation scene with black widow and how the Scarlet Witch torturing Wong in Dr.S MoM to. Kang is a nothing villain,he's doesn't have:
Charisma like Loki.
Straightforward Motive like Thanos.
Or a Anxious Gray Motive like Ultron.
Kang is just a big fat nothing villain. 😒
Age of Ultron is a masterpiece compared to anything in Phase 4 or 5 not focusing on Peter Parker. At least it had everlasting stakes.
Ant man 1 was very clear that you stay the same weight when you shrink, right before showing Scott running across the barrel of a gun someone was holding
Even before that, way earlier in Ant Man 1, Scott was shrunk in a bathtub. His buddy unknowingly started filling the tub with water. He with the combined weight of an adult man plus the ant suit got swept away uncontrollably by water from a faucet. Then he immediately fell to the floor and cracked a ceramic floor tile with his combined weight. Because who tf cares about consistency in writing at Marvel?
I want to see the air port scene in civil war, but with Giant Man struggling just to hang on to War Machine with his floaty-ass low density body, before promptly getting flung around like a parade float. XD
Oh yeah, and 3 minutes later he rides an ant...
pym particles work however they want
pym has a tank on his keychain in the first movie but it is also a real tank shrunken down so it should be several tons
@@finalfantasy50 And at the end of the second movie, Hank brought a tiny house that he grew to full size so that he and his wife can live in the woods.
My first question was, "There's no foundation?" My second question was, "Where's the septic tank?" These questions also got me to wonder how the plumbing at Pym labs actually work. Do they just line up right with the municipal system when it's a full-sized building? But then it's got leaky pipes. Do these buildings have their own internal plumbing and above ground septic tank inside? I know I wouldn't want to have the septic tank inside a house.
If Janet doesn't want people to go down into the quantum realm, then why did she willing send Scott on the mission to the quantum realm at the end of Ant Man 2? The one that gets him trapped in there and is the thing that lets the plot of Endgame happen. She should want NO part in ANY of that.
Because "Daenerys forgot about the iron fleet"
@@yetanotherspuart3993 Beacuse "Darksied forgot about earth after getting his ass kicked on earth"
According to new rock stars it’s because Loki changed the timeline when she killed goofy kang lmao
@@thorneto2742 Oh of course! Why the hell not!
Because they need him to kick start the plot in endgame duh
The Year is 2050. Go to movies, it's the weekly MCU movie. Disney logo on screen. It's phase 12 of the story. Movie starts, Tobey Maguire is in a wheelchair. A burglar comes into his house, steals his Funko Pops. Tobey says "it's peterin time" (this is a reference to the hit 2022 film morbius). Also says "that sounded better in my head." He puts on his mask, the crowd screams until my ears ring. He swings at the man as he's running away. A portal opens and captain Europe steps into the scene. Tobey accidentally swings into him He says "it's all good I have healthcare". Crowd cheers, captain Europe had his own TV show in 2048 and this is a reference to his prostate exam episode in season 6 where he makes the same joke. Tom Holland and Andrew Garfield come through the portal and point at each other, making the funny Spider-Man meme again. They all start jerking each other off as the camera zooms out, revealing the Death Star and the Star Wars theme briefly plays. Crowd cheers again before the screen cuts to black and Darth Vader's laugh plays. Post credit scene shows Thanos reappear, and he says, "I'm coming for you Redditors." Crowd cheers one last time, before news sources are saying this is one of the best movies of all time. Thank you Disney for saving the film industry.
I just understood! New marvel movies are inspired by cinematic geniuses of Jason Friedberg and Aaron Seltzer! You know, shitty movie parody guys! Nonsense plot, references as jokes, bad cgi... it all fits!
By 2050 disnoid will own what was 'Merica.
Prez Harris will sell the country to Igor, and the people will be shackled to computers making 3D renders of bad backgrounds and characters for all time.
Somebody should write a dystopian novel where the world is entirely consumerist and controlled by dopamine. People's identity are entirely tied to corporate IP. So if you criticize their favorite IP, they have a seizure and die. All tradition, both intellectual, spiritual, artistic, and religious is gone. Only consoomerist entertainment remains.
Phase 30*. Also by 2050, we'll be irrigating crops with gatorade.
IT BROKE NEW GROUND
MODOK is the way he was in this film because it was the cheap option. They didn't have to do weeks of concepts or anything. They just put the actors face in MS paint and pulled it apart.
Job done.
Timestamps
0:00 Nothing has ever happened before
2:58 Antman Quantumania
11:27 The Green Screen Problem
13:40 Metal Story Time
15:19 A Relatable Story
16:40 The Audience
20:28 MODOK
21:27 Ranking
24:40 World Building & Consequences
29:00 An Antman Trilogy
31:28 Michelle Pfeiffer
32:10 Quantum Problems
36:52 Janet Meets Kang
40:13 Scott’s Life
42:15 Hope’s Life
43:02 The Pimp Articles
48:55 The Lost CU
50:05 The Book (1)
56:10 Fringy vs Nanotech (1)
1:00:48 Antman’s Life & Wealth
1:02:56 The Ant-daughter (1)
1:04:20 Shrinking Problems
1:08:20 The Ant-daughter (2)
1:09:50 The Pimp Articles Should Be Regulated!
1:13:21 The Blip
1:17:50 Scott Responsibilities & Motivations
1:30:52 The Ant-daughter (2)
1:33:14 Pizzatime
1:49:39 Pretty Smart Ants
1:53:03 Pretty Smart Girl
2:09:10 The Big Suck
2:23:03 Hope is Lost
2:24:14 Missed Opportunities
2:26:34 Jokes (1)
2:29:39 Aliens
2:36:40 Explanations
2:39:49 Drinking (1)
2:41:37 Lost In Translation
2:44:00 Drinking (2)
2:49:05 Jokes (2)
2:52:35 The Mind Reader, The Lady & Our Favorite Alien
2:55:02 The Trial
2:57:14 Jokes (3)
2:58:22 Drinking (3)
3:00:06 Freedom Fighter & Bill Murry
3:21:38 Fringy vs Nanotech (2)
3:25:48 Broken Record Lady
3:27:18 The Running Girl
3:37:10 The Recasted Girl
3:38:20 A Small Concept (1)
3:38:50 VFXs
3:40:18 A Small Concept (2)
3:41:00 It’s Modoktime
4:00:55 Backstory
4:23:50 Fringy vs Nanotech (3)
4:24:38 EFAP Cooking (1)
4:29:32 Kang vs Antman
4:36:32 EFAP Cooking (2)
4:38:53 A Risky Robbery
4:43:00 Halfway Point
4:46:33 Closing
"MODOK!"
-Bilbo Baggins
Is it possible to learn this power?
@@allthingslegendsnot from a massive
@@Kernwadi Don't be a deek - Cassie Baggins
Doing God’s work
Alex Trebek: The category is Pym Particles. Sean Connery, you have the board.
Sean Connery: Ah, the game is afoot. I'll take Pimp Articles for $500. Ha!
I was your mother's employer Trebek! HA With her cash She bought you seafood
Did you enjoy the crabs because they were mine first!! HA Trebek🤣🤣
Trebek:😐 Thats enough Mr. Connery
Nailed it.
"A pimp carries this to keep his hos in check."
ah, your great comment is too far out of time, I fear, to get the Likes it deserves.
20 years ago it would have slayed. still though, pretty good. 42. er, 43. didn't count mine yet.
Nanotech is a thing now because it's easier and cheaper to make.
Look at how complex the suit effects are in Iron Man 1 are vs in Infinity War.
They don't show the visually interesting suit up sequences anymore, just 5 frames and the suit is on, saves money for Disney and that's all that matters.
Also gives me "satisfying" shorts about machines vibes. Ain't it chief.
Wouldn't the time travel in Endgame necessitate some high degree of 'mapping' the quantum realm already? I doubt Tony would ever risk using the quantum realm to time travel if he didn't know exactly how it worked or where everyone would end up. I know, it's probably the least of either this movie or Endgame's problems.
I almost died from heart attack when I saw 6 Modok faces on the panel staring at me...that was way scarier than the movie.
For a MODOK costume, I would just build the MODOK body as an open-faced helmet, hiding my body from the neck down with a black drape or cloth.
I’ve seen it done before, it always looks funny
MODOK was originally a AIM scientist George Charleton was experimented on to expand his head to fit in the chair while body remained normal. Usually a henchman to a bigger bad like Dr.Doom, and feuding with Steve Rogers for his good morals and body. A fun moment in the comics is when he brags about his forcefield can withstand a nuke then it gets crushed by Thor. His appearances include Superhero Squad, Marvel vs Capcom 3(where he wears Galactus’ helmet), his own series voiced by Patton Oswald, and in the Avengers video game where he was the main villain
MODOK!
For as rightfully panned as that game is it got Modok down somewhat, or at the very least gave him more respect than whatever the fuck this was
He was also in Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes.
Hector Lopez - the name of every stereotypical Mexican gangster in every movie ever - it's also a prerequisite for them to have a shaved head, have a goatee beard wear a buttoned flannelette shirt and jeans while saying "ese" at the end of every sentence 🤣🤣🤣
@@Soyuz2578 I’d say Jose Gonzalez is more stereotypical, homes
I love how this is the fifth project dealing with the multiverse and they still don’t have a consistent rule set. For example Janet now apparently had interactions with Kang before the events Ant Man 2, and therefore Infinity War, Endgame and off coarse Loki which established that Kang only exists after the events of the last episode…
i havent seen the loki show but doesnt the time cops exist before the last episode? is it kang the conqueror that exists at the end and other kangs existed before?
@@finalfantasy50 The premise of the show is built on the idea that the TVA or the Time Variants Authority monitor the entirety of the timeline of events from the beginning of time to the end. This is dubbed as the “Sacred Timeline”, and any event that wasn’t supposed to happen can cause a branching timeline which if let unchecked will lead to the creation of another universe and therefore lead to the further creation of the multiverse. The example they use as an event that can cause this can be as simple as you running late for work. However because of this the flow of time in the MCU is called into question as many of the easter eggs they have fuck over the continuity.
The reason for all this bullshit is ultimately done so that the true leader of the TVA, referred to as “He Who Remains”, can maintain a single universe without the possibility of other, more dangerous, variants of himself appear. I.E. Kang the Conqueror. He is then killed because he thought it would be a genius idea to manipulate events to create 2 variants of Loki who hate his guts so that they can replace his position. Obviously he is killed and multiverse is formed and the TVA forget what their job is and just let it happen. If this doesn’t make sense to you, you are correct, but that’s what happened.
However as many people pointed out, this contradicts the events of the first Doctor Strange where not only do they establish the multiverses existence but that they also draw their power from “other dimensions of the multiverse”, and the biggest one, can travel through it via the Sling Ring. The events of this film directly impact Infinity War and Endgame, which leads into the events of Loki as Loki picking up the the tesseract wasn’t supposed to happen. Don’t ask how that works, because I don’t fucking know.
The explanation that people who are fans of Loki have given me is that since the events of the show take place “ Outside of space and time” the events of Loki take place before and after the MCU. Bearing in mind there is no reference for this that I have found, it also means that the MCU has to either exist in a state where the multiverse exists and doesn’t exist at the same time OR the multiverse suddenly stops existing between the events of Doctor Strange and Loki for this argument to make sense.
Ignoring as well many of the other contradictions with that show and the rest of the Multiverse projects, Ant Man and the Wasp Quantumania is meant to serve as a soft continuation of Loki and even keeps the visual motif for how the Sacred Timeline and Wider Multiverse is represented. However as mentioned before, the events of Ant Man and the Wasp Quantumania cannot co exist with the events in Loki.
I know that was a long one, but the amount of damage Loki did in 6 episodes is fascinating. Even with the existence of She-Hulk, Thor Love and Thunder and Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness (which, by the way, was written by the same person who wrote Loki), Loki comes out on top as the worst thing the MCU and perhaps the wider Superhero genre has ever put out.
This particular case can be explained, Loki season 1 happens after he escaped in the original avengers time but with time travel tisms, so it's happening outside of time after avengers OG, and the Kang who got killed in loki was also outside time, so we have no idea from when this Kang came from, which is also super crap
@@AZKJunaid
"Outside of time..."
Yeah, that's not a thing. I'll never accept an argument as egregiously stupid and impossible as "the sun blew up because 10% of the elephants were too purple."
I had enough of that bullshit when episode 1 of Loki dropped. People defending this are gonna need something new and actually viable.
@@eidolon1426 but it's quantum though, the keyword for "don't think too much, because we certainly didn't "
I don’t know how Ryan Kennel got Marvel to use his likeness in a MCU film for MODOK but props to the man, his dedication to the grind is inspirational.
Ryan KNOWS people... ;)
I gotta be honest, I wasn't expecting the lads to rip into this so soon. A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one!
Amen. It's so wholesome that it makes my heart stop.
Their job is to protect us from the Sludge(tm). We appreciate their sacrifice
The Longman becoming the Fastman is promising
Almost like there was an intention to hate on the film before they even say it.
(Especially seeing how Mauler & Rags watched a shitty Pirated version of it.)
They spend so much time ripping on MODOK's design, and how unfunny the film is.
Yet MODOK is the main source of laughter throughout this stream.
Literally...
Cassie giving that speech in the third act for some reason had my dying of laughter. Also everytime Modok was on the screen had my stomach hurting from laughing too hard.
MODOK.
Lol from the team that brought you “Do better” comes a new triumph of simplistic imbecility: Cassie Lang stars in “Dont be a dick”.
Seriously though why can Marvel no longer write humans??? 😂😭
@@Kernwadi M.O.D.O.K.
@@dumdumer892 Because they no longer _hire_ humans. Just commie pod people.
To be fair, I think that was the point. At least nowadays Modok is seen as more a joke than a legitimate character, so it makes sense to make him a joke here. Plus Darren went crazy in the first Ant Man so it kinda makes sense that he is so brain damaged that he decides to become good just because someone told him he could. Not saying its amazing writing, but it does seem purposeful.
I have a friend who goes to see every Marvel movie and Star Wars thing, and every time he comes back, he's all, "Yeah, it's great." or "Yeah, I really liked it." and I just kind of smile and nod, and go "Oh, really?"
Your friend is an NPC.
I have friends like that too, only I made the mistake of engaging in an argument more than once. Now we just don't talk about this stuff. That being said, when I hear them say a Marvel thing is "not that bad," I know that means it's fabulously terrible.
Stockholm Syndrome. The programming was a great success, he's an eternal consumer of products now.
You'd think they would just have had kang dipping in and out of the movies in the background actually engineering his perfect timeline like palpatine but instead he had to be Thanos 2.0 straight out the gate
.....so like sequel palps
@@donovandelozier7156 you must be trolling?
@@warrencapaldi9544 kang in actual mcu just showing up with no build up seems very on track for how the sequel trilogy handled palpatine.
They straight up give a flashback of Modok, as if we forgot the Ant Man movie. Oh we didn't, his dialogue is really something to recall.
Unnecessary recaps are a recurring issue in the MCU lately. Thor Love & Thunder had the dumb play recapping Mjolnir getting destroyed, which is pointless since we see the destroyed Mjolnir.
Remember how the play in Thor Ragnarök that recapped Thor the Dark World actually did more than just recap: it showed the audience Loki's current headspace and it was the final clue for Thor to fully realize that Loki was impersonating Odin? What happened to moments like that where, even if the recap was unnecessary, the scene was still important in other ways?
To be fair, I had no idea who this guy was because the face looked so different, and calling him darren wouldn't have helped😂😂
The best part was they showed the flashback before revealing his face. How do you fuck up something that simple?
@@mr.barcode3186 wait, did they do that?😂
@@matthewmuir8884 reminds me of the Last Airbender second last episode. It's a recap episode, as you could guess, but it had a similar twist to the Thor play. It was a stage show made by the fire nation for propaganda purposes, which helps the worldbuilding a decent amount
Key:
Capital O Opinions - Fringy - Jay - MauLer - Metal - Rags
Or just the council of M.O.D.O.K.S
I would really like it if deadpool 3 had a joke where the nanobot helmet removal ended in the death of a character
31:26 Ah, Ladyhawke. For lovers of good rat, I highly recommend that film. It is a classic study of the hero’s journey, down to the very character archetypes seen in most classic fantasy stories.
Michelle Pfeiffer and Rutger Hauer play two lovers who are magically cursed in such a way that they may never be together again-by day, _she_ takes the form of a hawk, while by night, _he_ becomes a wolf.
I WAITED full four hours, or more,
Beneath the EFAP tree,
Where oft I've lingered twilight hours,
Watching, my Long, for thee.
I waited till the Ant-men grew
Like giants, grim and grey;
I waited till MODOK's coming chased
The Ant-men far away.
I waited for, I knew not what;
But, oh, I waited there,
Hoping, perchance, some good writing to find,
To lighten my despair.
A year ago last May, I sat
Beneath the old EFAP-tree;
My tryst was not a broken one,
For, Chat, you came to me.
I waited, and my spirit called
Thy spirit, Long, to me;
No tryst was ever broken there
Beneath the old EFAP-tree.
Amazing
❤ 🇮🇲
My favorite part of the movie was when the Wasp's mother straight up says "I was a freedom fighter, or a terrorist depending on who you ask." Then when the old rich guy in the bar says "your mom has done some horrible things" Wasp is all like "YOU'RE LYING!" 🤣🤣
If we get a Fringy animated series it’ll start with him breaking his mask
I wonder if it will be Fringy in the original suit, then destroying it for the new suit by the end
The real title for this Podcast: Every Frame a MODOK
Went to the cinema with my girlfriend for this product of a film last night and she took the words right out of my mouth
“So this Kang dude is supposed to be the next Thanos, right? And he was exiled for being the most ruthless version, right? So why did he get bitched around by some ants?”
Laughed way harder than I did at any of the jokes in this. Didn’t really laugh at all, just manual exhales.
The ONLY time my theatre laughed was when M.O.D.O.K’s face was revealed in a unanimous uproar of laughter of how god awful it looked
This actually made me laugh harder than I thought it would. Kudos to your girlfriend, that was hilarious
You know, it does sound silly that we are supposed to take this “New Thanos” seriously when he can be beaten by ants. Like god damn, the bar is really low for villains these days…
Why does it feel like “destroying the multiverse” is being treated like kicking a puppy these days?
@@nhagan001 this is like if Darth Vader was beaten by Obi wan throwing some rocks at him with more power than him inexplicably... Oh wait
Kang is a Red Herring. Doom is the next Thanos. Calling it now.
@@astrospect Or Galactus
1:12:28 - "Could you imagine if the FBI just disappeared, and didn't get replaced with anything"
I sometimes have daydreams about that exact scenario.
Nah, the Democrats won't get rid of their personal Gestapo forces...
That and at least half the police, too.
Every time when Fringy says "It's funny right" or "So my immediate thing is" I chuckle internally a little bit.
My favorite part is when Mooler says "is that like a personal attack or something?" And then Mools all over them
Take a shot every time Fringy says "leverage" each episode.
M.O.D.O.K.
Where is Cassie's mom and step father ? you know, the really good role model police officer who scott had a great relationship with ?
Also, if shes so smart, why did it take a Rat to let Scott out the Quantum realm?
Listen I hate to break past all these circlejerk comments of hating Cassie because she worked with Hank to make a piece of technology and is decently smart ... but she was 9 when that happened and Ant Man was presumed dead just like the rest of them. It's literally part of endgame, he finds his own name on the list of the deceased.
"Oh man I should have known my father was trapped in a fuckin van. I'm just so stupid for not knowing that"
We haven't even seen that Cassie is to the talent level equivalent of Kate Bishop in terms of their respective fields, she messes up multiple times in this movie. She's not iron man or Bruce Banner or ironheart (bleh), we don't even have anything to call her a genius or say Hank isn't doing literally all the work but bonding with his granddaughter on this project.
@@cameronroy2129 found the contrarian. went so far as to fix the script for the writers, what a madlad.
@@eirei0789 it's literally just in the story what the fuck are you on about?
I'm here getting annoyed by people making shit up. You disagree one time and you get labeled a contrarian like God damn.
@@cameronroy2129 nice gaslighting.
You’re acting like people are unjustifiably criticizing Cassie, as if the points that they bring up are not all valid, as if she wasn’t character assassinated from her previous appearances, as if she’s not constantly unjustifiably shitting on Ant Man, who people liked, as if they didn’t destroy the heart of the previous Ant Man movies being the relationship between Scott and Cassie.
What part of the explicit line “Your daughter *built* the quantum hubble telescope” doesn’t imply that *she* made it. I said that you tried to fix the movie by implying that Hank *could* have done most of the work, which would make more sense. However, nothing in the movie indicates that. Hell, the above line probably erase that possibility entirely.
Who’s being unreasonable here.
@@eirei0789 I am acting like that because I pointed it out here. Fucking gaslighting I'm not engaging with this shit
But seriously saying she built the quantum hubble telescope doesn't mean she actually built an equivalently complicated device it just means function. Which I don't think is that bad given at the very least 6 years to work on it herself but another couple of years with Hank Pym teaching her.
All I want to know is, when the last Kang is defeated, will we get the timeless line "we was Kangs?"
Should have written "we wuz kaangzzz!!!"
Quantumania is the word to describe the desire of comics to put quantum in front of everything.
Bro, that's really quantum of you...
And quantum all over the places
Its also because Quantumania contains the words "Ant Man" in them.
EPA takes over for SHIELD?
"Stand down Avengers. Do not engage!"
"What? Why not?"
"Dr. Octopus has built his doomsday device in the habitat of the endangered red-necked phalarope. We must do an ecological impact study before any action can be taken."
Mauler’s pining for a superhero movie about the protagonist trying to get his coffee back reminded me of the devin townsend album ziltoid; concept record about a tyrannical alien who comes to earth for the perfect cup of coffee.
So MODOK is the Babu Frick of Quantumania; Simultaneously the best and worst character of this movie, somehow?
HEY HEY!
I think babu frick is one of the best characters in that movie unironically, to be fair it’s victory by default
@@pinkdiamond8991 I would personally go with C-3PO, at least he made me smile a bit and had the only emotional moment worth anything (which was immediately undercut and forgotten)...though C-3PO being the best character is not exactly a ringing endorsement either.
@TheTriforceDragon C-3PO’s a fair choice, I don’t like the emotional moment though because for some reason babu doesn’t have a usb because r2 has the ability to have copied 3pos memory
When are we getting a 6-hour cooking stream with Rags making multiple flavors of chicken pizza?
Whenever he's willing to be tried for war crimes ...
When you enlarge something, what happens to the millions upon millions of micro organisms that live on top of that something?
If you shrink, why aren't you crushed by pollen, amoebas, and tardigrades?
Ego literally did put his ‘Seed’ I.E. Coooom all over. He literally wanted to Coomsplosion over every planet everywhere
I miss the days when Galaxy wide takeovers were the biggest threat to our heros.
@@vesi7993
Looking to explain how you would introduce Kang without acknowledging the Multiverse?
@@vesi7993 Actually..
How would you adapt Secret Wars without acknowledging the Multiverse?
@@TheHardys01 I wouldn’t.
@@TheHardys01 1. Kang in the comics is a time-traveler first, and only later became a multiversal threat after all his time-travelling caused versions of him at different points in time to become alternate Kangs. I'd introduce him as a time-traveler first, and build him up as a threat from there without having him constantly lose only to threaten, "If you kill me, a worse version is coming". Do that once and it's ominous; do that twice in a row and it's just pathetic.
2. I wouldn't adapt Secret Wars at all. Secret Wars was dumb.
1:45:00 Scott Lang, the ex convict that already missed out on his daughters life whilst in prison, gets out, tries everything he can to be with her. Then gets stuck in the quantum realm for 5 years missing out on his daughters life again. That's devastating. Instead we got rampant belittling of arguably the least jaded superhero, the one that was instrumental in saving trillions of beings across the universe. Instead of charging him for coffee, there should be aliens making a pilgrimage to Scott's house leaving tributes.
Hearing Jay’s voice, after an extended period not being on EFAP, makes me happy.
ban jay
@@nananamamana3591 Ban Rags.
Kick Jay
relatable...
I can't believe they managed to get the illustrious star of Ellen, Rich Evans, as Modok.
...wait, wrong movie channel.
Best part of the movie when MODOK said: ITS MODOKIN TIME!!!
It’s even worse that their shitting on Scott. He did more than save the world. He saved half of the universe. Like half of all thing owe this man forever.
Perhaps Metal should retitle his podcast Metalkommander Only Destined to Observe Kringe. I think it works.
You gotta love the subtle humor in everything revolving around MODOK’s face. Its embarrasing, Marvel how could you be proud of that..?
Holy shit the first thing I thought of when I saw them in the quantum realm, I was like why am I getting flashbacks to Spy Kids 3D. And then you hit us with that side by side - I'm so happy I'm not the only one
The "I have needs" line is pretty gross. Flip the genders and you KNOW the woke media would be losing their minds, haha
The Nanotech helmet thing is so fucking strange. One minute the helmets disintegrate into nothing to remove them and the next Scott takes the helmet off manually using all his strength. Same thing happened in Thor 4 too 🤔
Pretty smart MODOK
🥇
"MODOK is subjective."
-Bilbo Baggins
🥇
@@sparkypack yes
43:34 the plot device of some kind of unique particle or element drives me absolutely insane. From a sample placed in a spectrometer or an experiment that lets you get some insight into the process (decay chain, creation, fission, etc) every major company and country would know your secret in about a month being this lax.
I also hate modular, self-constructing, nano-armor. How did they give me that position? I'm just completely sick of seeing it.
This movie missed an opportunity to explore the hatred some of society would've had towards Ant Man for reversing the blip. Other marvel projects touched on this but Ant Man should have had to face those consequences. Also could explain his indecisive thoughts at the end.
Remember how one of the trailers strongly implied Kang was going to tempt him with the possibility of undoing the entire time-skip? This might've actually added some weight of that actually happened.
phase 4 dropped the ball on that, they wont bring it back up
This movie makes Neil Breen movies look like Citizen Kang. Also, I was at that same India screening! lol I wished I'd had said hi to you
Sincerely happy when Jay is on these. I appreciate his input. 😊
I’m actually a huge fan of the Mental Organism Designed Only for Killing/Conquest/Computing, and I’m ashamed of what they’ve done to him.
Us M.O.D.O.K fans (all three of us) are cursed to languish in perpetuity
so the movie tears down Scott for not helping 24/7 with a mediocre issue but is understanding with Janet who helps 0/7 with a WW2 level issue
A great thing about this movie is that they recast Cassie after Endgame. Makes it way easier to seperate this from the actual MCU in my mind. The MCU ended at Endgame. This is just a bunch of weird otherworld stuff
Thanks again to the mad lad Jay Mac for the gifted membership. Truly the Don IRL 🙌
Is that Jay's big brother?
@@sparkypack Well, he’s at least Sitch and Adam’s surrogate father 😆
JAYDOK
Oh, so you're not mentioning the shortest 2:57 minute EFAP? The history will remember Long man!
I'm always sad when Rags comes out with an absolutely amazing pun and nobody notices. Don't worry, Rags, we hear you. Kang Kang Kang was beautiful!
So glad the whole stream was spent highlighting the standout aspect of the film
It's sad that the avengers Halloween episode of South Park was better crafted than anything post phase 3 in the MCU
The Randy Torrance episode lol
so, i have a theory why we get so few alien characters now: representation.
lots of the writers in hollywood insisit that you cannot feel represented by or put yourself into characters that don't look like you. so aliens obviously are out.
The blip absolutely ruined storytelling for the MCU.
Before that the disasters were localized enough that you could kind of hand wave them off. But the blip would change almost everything irrevocably and it makes us disconnected from the MCU world.
Nice to see Jay again, feels like it's been forever since he was on
Wait, so did the *thematic* line "Stand up for the little guy" actually referred to doing CGI fights in quantum realm, and not, like, Scott seeing 'the error of his ways' and getting more involved in helping marginalized groups like his daughter suggests in the beginning?
Is Darren was shrunken/crushed at random why is he completely symmetrical?
"PYMP articles" is a funnier joke than anything in the actual movie
Nooooooooooooo!! They did the memory store again?! Are you serious?! I can't believe it I had to pause the video to collect myself after i heard that shit
Mauler: "If you remember in Ant-man and the Wasp..."
Me: lol no, I don't remember anything from those films 😆
Fun EFAP fact of the day: The most popular flavor of pizza in Japan is Shrimp & Mayonnaise.