"Don't you see!? He has inter-generational grievances with entire ethnic groups! That makes him compelling, and sympathetic." ...Yes, I'm sure Borat would agree.
Iron Man 3 Mandarin was pretty great twist, though (a dark and scary shade on the wall being exposed as literally shade and nothing else, very good representation of US politics in real life too, hyping up international terrorism and their war against such only to then keep licking ass of Saudi Arabia while occupying Iraq's oil)..... shame that they didn't have a proper end-movie villain, though.
"tHaT's DiFfErEnT bEaCaUsE [insert post-modern word salad predicated on new definitions for established terms concocted by humanities majors in the last 10~ years]"
@@ephraimwinslow Behind all the word salad the actual substance of why it is different is because they were white and the other is non-white. They don't actually disagree with what is being done to them, just that it is happening to the wrong people.
Reminds me of people who sympathies with angstrom levy from invincible Really annoying how that one villan targets the one good version of Invincible when its confirmed he can travel the multiverse
Literally just saw a video posted 2-3 days ago that still is trying to say “Killmonger is great and he did nothing wrong, and he is the actual hero of Black Panther”. Bro his name is KILLMONGER not exactly screaming hero with that title
@ Fr not to mention the scene where he literally kills his entire team just like every hero does and not to mention killing/poisoning innocent museum folk
@@PelemusMcSoy IIRC those are presumed combatants KIA during his career as a private military contractor. So *those* ones at least are morally grey. (That said? Taking such obvious pride in his numbers 100% signals a *frightening* personality.)
"Killmonger brought me a dead body" "I almost brought you a living body to pass judgement on before that jackass swiped him from me." Everybody dogpiles Killmonger. The dude with the plate lip whips it out of his mouth to smack him around. The End.
"I don't think Killmonger had his finger on the pulse of society. The pulse of Tumblr, maybe." - Dawn Somewhere's unforgettable review of Black Panther
God... people STILL talk about Killmonger being a good villain. People wanted him brought back as a potential black panther with the floompy multiverse nonsense.
Only black supremacists and weak minded people support Killmonger, I don’t associate with anyone who thinks he was “right” or justified in any of his actions
He wasn’t terrible but the movie made him not a bad guy until they had to. And I know the cgi was shit but I liked the idea of the rhinos. The writer couldn’t figure out who was the good guy. Ominous for what was to come in Hollywood popular writing 🤮
I'm so sick of this moral relativism bull crap. Just because you can understand or even sympathize with someone's motives doesn't make them any less of a villain.
what are his motives though? His people were never colonized but were active colonizers themselves, even if briefly. He is a hypocritical psychopath, nothing else.
EFAP is hypocritical here though. They kept making the argument that Daenerys was fine because she only *threatened* to burn down cities and raze populations to the ground. She didn't actually do it! Meanwhile Killmonger threatens to do it, and he's immediately actually evil?
An aspiring artist and political visionary sees the exploitation and humiliation of the people of his adopted homeland at the hands of a shadowy cabal of ne'er-do-wells and sets out to restore his nations glory and preserve the very existence of it´s populace. Truly a hero's journey.
When I first watched the movie, I thought that Killmonger was supposed to be somebody who was sympathetic, but still clearly a villain. Like, his plan was just going to cause needless destruction, and when he said 'The sun never sets in Wakanda' I thought the movie was directly calling him out. That's a phrase used to describe the British Empire! The British Empire that committed a lot of atrocities to keep their colonies, and whose colonial practices the movie was (attempting) to critique! Were we not supposed to realize how much of a threat Killmonger was to both the wider world and the people he supposedly cares about and wants free? He may have had good intentions, but you know what they say about the road to hell. I genuinely thought that he wasn't supposed to be idolized for the longest time. Hearing that apparently a lot of people thought otherwise is more than a little confusing.
You pretty much have that correct. He's like Thanos in that you can understand his motives and still recognize the insanity of their actions of how it would cause more problems. The people who think he's a hero have the same delusion his character has!
I took the girlfriend killing scene to mean that even if he cared for her, he cared more about his mission, showcasing his conviction and unwillingness to yield to intimidation and threats by others, even against people he might care for in some capacity. Then again, he pretty casually knocked her off and displayed no remorse over it from what I recall. Does he even look upset when or after he kills her?
I remember after watching Black Panther going to a bookstore where a guy tried buying BP comics but none of them went past issue #3 because they didn’t sell
The best thing about Thor 4 is how it, seemingly by magic, made me remember not only the several times that I had watched Thor 2, but it also made me remember the various plot bits and characters.
Even if Black Panther’s father didn’t need to murder him, Killmonger’s dad committed crimes first. That makes the case for Killmonger’s writing even worse.
"admirable in some ways" The background, for you audience-members in the furthest rows, is Killmonger burning all the flowers that hold the secret to physically healing the human body back from bullet wounds in the spine.
If you guys haven’t ever seen it, there’s an old show called “Misfits” that aired years and years ago. Essentially a comedy/superheroes-lite, it’s about juvenile delinquents getting superpowers and getting into delinquent shenanigans… Some other people get powers too, so there’s villains and some neat story arcs. Highly highly HIGHLY recommend, it was like The Boys meets Superbad.
No. Don't. It implodes so quickly. Read the comic if you're curious, its initial run is *actually* really good (which is part of what makes the show completely Schitt). EDIT: NVM. I got "Misfits" and "Runaways" confused.
Killmonger was not a good villain, but I actually get this guy's point about T'challa and Erik having similar goals. It's basically that both of them want Wakanda to take a position in the world stage, with T'challa being more uncertain about it as he doesn't know what way to do it - in line with that movie being about him deciding what kind of king he will be. Killmonger wants Wakanda to take a position on the world stage, but to do so violently and with retributive "justice" that leads to a lot of murder and would end up basically being the same colonial force he resents. I don't think it's *GOOD*, but I think that's what the guy in the video was meaning by saying they had similar goals.
Thanos is unironically less evil than Killmonger. He, at no point, kills *_anyone_* he doesn't need to. When he has the stones he always goes out of his way to be non-lethal, even to the heros trying to stop him. He does kill more people overall, but thats because he thinks its literally necessary (& based on the information we've been given he seems correct, or at least like he has good reason to believe he's correct) KillMonger however just kills because.
@@bandawin18 he explicitly didn't tho. Did you even watch the movie? He literally turned drax into ribbons rather than actually doing anything lethal once he had the power to. He did kill people, but only out of necessity, percieved or otherwise. At no point has he ever been shown killing just because. The absolute *_closest_* we get to that is 1 : when squidward tells the other 2 to let him have his fun fighting Hulk, but that was a fist-fight sparring match for him, he wasn't getting a kick out of torturing him or anything, and 2 : maaaybe Loki and Heimdall, but both of them were subdued first and then only killed because they kept causing issues. (And of them if I recall he didn't even kill Heimdall, that was one of his goonies) And, again, when he actually had more of the stones he always went for the non-lethal option. I.e. when he already had enough power that he felt his goals were assured he explicitly avoided death. His plans involved a lot of death, but he never killed unnecessarily. Killmonger did, repeatedly. And killing to achieve a goal, specifically a goal that a character believes will help the wider population, isn't remotely a villain-exclusive characteristic. To absolutely fucking shatter the long broken record, Steve Rogers has a *_lot_* of blood on that shield and tony shot kinetic darts into people's skulls in his first outing in the Mark 3 armor. (Mark 2? I think ot was mark 3 but it might have been mark 2.)
There was a guy on tick tock that dressed up as killmonger, I think his channel name was basically killmonger was right, and spent a lot of his videos on trash talking white people, calling them out for things he believed to be wrong. He said white people don’t care or interact with no white cultures at all, to which I showed off all my Japanese products I bought because I like Japan (shocking, I know) to which HE responded that that didn’t count, and when I pressed him on what I should do as a white person to show that I do care about non white cultures, he thanked me for being a nice white, and then told me to go eat at Mexican restaurants. Not sure how that proves Killmonger right, but hey, I don’t mind gorging on Chimichangas and tacos.
Kill monger was a part of the Avengers when he took over the Black Panther mantle for like a year of issues in the early 2000s. It was awesome and much more drawn out then the movie
Efap episode 188, @1:22:19, the conversation about where is objectively the correct pocket to put one's wallet into. 😂 Peak EFAP, with the added twist of three different countries and economies being explored. Also, Episode 148, 6:56:50, is the first conversation about wallets, pockets, and money, OH my.
Hot take, if they’d kept Claw the same way as he was in ultron that movie would have been WAAY better with him as the lead. I also think theres a lot more you could have done with him instead of killmonger. Like the whole movie sets up these interesting characters that would have made for a real cool showdown at the end. Instead we basically just had a Typical back and forth regime issues that are LITERALLY like normal tuesdays everywhere else in Africa.
Listening to the first fifteen minutes, i do have a few things to say. On account of the near-heroic description, there's a video by Literature Devil called the villain's journey, where he assesses that villains tend to mirror the hero's journey, up to the test of temptation. That is where they stumble, and they become villains. One of his examples is Macbeth, who had the king's favor, then was tempted by his wife to kill for the crown. On the killing of his girlfriend, i have two theories: it's either a showing of Eric's flaw (his rage) also kills those he cares about, or that he puts his goals above his personal desires. That's probably what they were trying to do, at least.
Killmonger is such a misunderstood hero unless you know anything about him or happen to hear his name. Kills so much he was named after his killing obsession doesn't exactly scream antihero. More like buffoonish over the top Sat morning carttonish super villainy. Jason Voorhees is more of a misunderstood hero than Killmonger.
Seriously, if you've never heard of/seen "The Losers"? It's... basically "The A Team" from Tesco's... but the villain is so unbelievably fun that he makes up for it. "It's like giving a handgun to a six year old, Wade. Ya don't know how it's gonna end... but you're pretty sure it's gonna make the papers."
God. At the very least the movie is acknowledging him in a villain role. Nowadays, characters like Karli and Gaea does way more heinous shit and gets all the praise and are viewed as sympathetic saints. I miss the old days so much......
He was definitely not a bad villain, but he was not understandable. As a kid he suffered and struggled, bet his childhood sucked. Then the man went to grad school, joined special forces. Sounds like a pretty successful life to me, but no the system he came up through is just awful and needs to be tore down and replaced using a race war.
It's hilariously funny how Mauler laughs at the "he plays a black character" line when you think about the fact that nowadays many black actors play originally white characters, and playing an actual black one is not a given.
Killmonger's ritual scarification marking his kills is cultural appropriation because nobody else in Wakanda is shown to have those. While practiced in other parts of Africa, ritual scars are done as rites of passage into adulthood. Now, Killmonger might have a connection to those tribes via his African-American mother, but his scars as markings for his kills kind of misses the whole point of the scars in the first place as he rejects both sides of his heritage in favor of his pro-war, Afro-centrism world view. But honestly his acceptance by one of the 5 factions of Wakanda is glossed over way too quickly. His first act should have been about him infiltrating Wakanda and growing his influence to subvert the monarchy prior to his challenge of his Cousin. But instead of doing an interesting political intrigue arc with character motivations being fleshed out, the writers decided to have a pointless action scene in South Korea instead. This movie blows hard.
Yeah. The ease with which he takes over and almost starts WW3 just highlights how badly the film handles any world building for Wakanda _and_ how badly it fumbles people like T’Chaka and T’Challa. His plan would have, and should have, fallen apart at any point if not for arbitrary incompetence from T’Challa and T’Chaka (hell, even Glaw). But instead, a guy who did wetwork for the CIA showed up, announced he was the bastard son of the last king’s brother, and he gets the keys to the kingdom after throwing the current king off a waterfall during a hastily assembled gladiatorial deathmatch.
If you are a hyphenated American, you are an American. I don't care where people you have nothing in common with came from, anyone can tell you are an American despite what you look like. Hyphenated Americans are insufferable. Honestly it would have been less silly if he was wearing earrings shaped like Africa.
honestly I feel like I might be weird for this but I used to like Thor Ragnarok over the other Thor movies but currently I actually find it really tough to rewatch while I love the first two Thor films as I can't really stand how they just do constant jokes and a lot of which are kinda at Thors expense even though it makes no sense like him being taken down by a taser even though he should be able to just take it and is strong enough to just rip it off let's not forget Thor is strong enough to actually wrestle with Hulk without his hammer and just his hands
There are a lot of positives to Mr. H. - Lunch breaks - Hydrocarbon conversion (coal to oil) - Financially salvaged Germany - Supported the Israeli state - Opposed the Communists - Dewoked his university system If you only tell part of the story, it doesn't sound bad.
Churchill was preaching that Germany and Hitler were eeeeevil and should die long before the war started. I mean, England even started bombing Germany first, and hitting German civilian targets, despite Germany only hitting military targets. And you know what? All the other countries were SO accepting of the Jewish people when Germany kicked them out... by accepting absolutely no Jews... I mean, Russia had space, it's not like the Jewish people were largely the leaders of the Bolsheviks who caused a bunch of suffer... wait... they were? Weird. That's never in history books. It's like having history written by the victors and historians who are always biased removes all of the victors' flaws, and other facts of WHY things happen... including war crimes and hypocritically fomenting the very war people were trying to stop.
@@peppermint_Pepe I'm pointing out that the USSR was not some bastion of goodness and happiness. Your haring off to attack me because I'm not 100% agreeing with you, apparently.
Are you really criticizing the Thor movies for spitting in the face of Norse Mythology like it is supposed to be a straight 1:1 adaptation? It takes elements of Norse mythology. This is a comic book character. It never presents itself as trying to represent actual Norse mythology. It does not need to be accurate. As for Dark World itself, while it is a flawed movie it is a hell of a lot better than Ragnarok that turned the character into the butt of every joke. Dark World still took itself seriously and had moments of levity when appropriate. You can argue about how forgettable or weak it is. I would still take that movie any day of the week over something like Ragnarok. When I watch Ragnarok I don't see Thor, I see Chris Hemsworth. I see the Hulk who has no business being in a movie about the destruction of Asgard.
@@dkirby9052 THANK YOU!!! I never liked Ragnarok and I still don't understand why most of these guys like it, but hate Love & Thunder for being too goofy and degrading.
@@silverscorpio24 I liked it up until I came to terms with the fact that Taika Waititi is literally just a 10 year old in a grown man's body, and that What We Do in the Shadows (the movie) represents 100% of what he had to contribute to art, culture, and comedy. Everything else he does can and should be skipped.
@@silverscorpio24 I used to gaslight myself into liking Ragnarok by saying "Well at least it is a fun and entertaining movie." I can't even do that anymore. Ragnarok has the same problems that Love and Thunder has.
I thought Kilmonger was an excellent villain. The fact that he has no idea why his father was killed (for treason), which is because they chose to just leave him and his mother behind. I'd be looking for some payback too.
@Galvatronover Well from his perspective he was, because T'Chaka dropped the ball and left him behind with no clue why his father was killed. He was also right about Wikanda not stepping in when the Agojie and others were selling Africans to white Europeans.
I don't know what Captain Midnight was smoking on this one. He's normally better than this... though as I say that, I DID end up unsubscribing from his channel because I just lost interest in his commentary.
Good to see that going all the way back Rags still has terrible takes and can't articulate a point to defend them in a way that doesn't have him backpedaling.
Dude perfect timing. I've had this idiot villian pop up in my head because to me he's exactly the issue with Disney. He's a major idiot in black panther and full retarrrdddd in what if. He had potential to be a good anti hero or villian. I haven't put any thought into what I would do with his and what he would challenge T'Challa.
@hope-cat4894 and there are multiple writings where he basically says, "Y'all better give us what we want before we start riotin'!" Very pragmatic, that preacher man. Slept with a different woman at every stop, liked to party, allegedly used various narcotics and was party to a repe...
"Don't you see!? He has inter-generational grievances with entire ethnic groups! That makes him compelling, and sympathetic."
...Yes, I'm sure Borat would agree.
"Inter-generational grievances with entire ethnic groups" I miss the 90s, when we just said "bad guy"
And Hitler
I have present-day grievances with other ethnic groups, ergo I am compelling and sympathetic.
@@xenn4985I miss the 90's when racial tension wasn't so damn high.
Ah, the old days... when Iron Man 3 and Dark World were the lowest point in the mcu.
Iron Man 3 Mandarin was pretty great twist, though (a dark and scary shade on the wall being exposed as literally shade and nothing else, very good representation of US politics in real life too, hyping up international terrorism and their war against such only to then keep licking ass of Saudi Arabia while occupying Iraq's oil)..... shame that they didn't have a proper end-movie villain, though.
I just want to swap out "Killmonger" with "Adolf" and "colonizers" with "Jews" and see what these people say.
"tHaT's DiFfErEnT bEaCaUsE [insert post-modern word salad predicated on new definitions for established terms concocted by humanities majors in the last 10~ years]"
And "children" with "puppies."
Given some of their opinions about Israel, I suspect they'd give you the same answer.
@@ephraimwinslow Behind all the word salad the actual substance of why it is different is because they were white and the other is non-white. They don't actually disagree with what is being done to them, just that it is happening to the wrong people.
But Addy was anti-Communist. His mud shirts were created to combat anti-far, after all.
*Ah, yes, the man who LITERALLY wanted a worldwide racing war… How sympathetic…*
Reminds me of people who sympathies with angstrom levy from invincible
Really annoying how that one villan targets the one good version of Invincible when its confirmed he can travel the multiverse
hahahaha racing war.
@@thunderlighting2006 to be fair that was more because the accident made him crazy
Well, a world-wide racing war would be kind of rad.
Black people empathize with this idea heavily
Literally just saw a video posted 2-3 days ago that still is trying to say “Killmonger is great and he did nothing wrong, and he is the actual hero of Black Panther”. Bro his name is KILLMONGER not exactly screaming hero with that title
Plus those marks on him show he's killed _a lot_ of people, and seemed to haven taken pride in it.
@ Fr not to mention the scene where he literally kills his entire team just like every hero does and not to mention killing/poisoning innocent museum folk
@@PelemusMcSoy
IIRC those are presumed combatants KIA during his career as a private military contractor.
So *those* ones at least are morally grey.
(That said? Taking such obvious pride in his numbers 100% signals a *frightening* personality.)
Sometimes people are just desperate to tell you what they really are.
"Killmonger brought me a dead body"
"I almost brought you a living body to pass judgement on before that jackass swiped him from me."
Everybody dogpiles Killmonger. The dude with the plate lip whips it out of his mouth to smack him around.
The End.
He didn't even need Klaue. He had a legitimate claim to the throne with his dad's ring.
Bro unironically said “A guy named Killmonger did Nothing Wrong.”
Man, hearing The Dark World being referred to as one of the worst Marvel movies really goes to show just how far the MCU has fallen.
That shit is a 10/10 compared to today's slop.
"I don't think Killmonger had his finger on the pulse of society. The pulse of Tumblr, maybe." - Dawn Somewhere's unforgettable review of Black Panther
God... people STILL talk about Killmonger being a good villain. People wanted him brought back as a potential black panther with the floompy multiverse nonsense.
Only black supremacists and weak minded people support Killmonger, I don’t associate with anyone who thinks he was “right” or justified in any of his actions
There are still people who think Wakanda is a real place
Michael b Jordan has that effect. Look he’s an amazing actor and charismatic as hell.
That said. That said. Fuck. Writing matters guys
@@The_Punisher ooga booga 🍗
He wasn’t terrible but the movie made him not a bad guy until they had to. And I know the cgi was shit but I liked the idea of the rhinos. The writer couldn’t figure out who was the good guy. Ominous for what was to come in Hollywood popular writing 🤮
I'm so sick of this moral relativism bull crap. Just because you can understand or even sympathize with someone's motives doesn't make them any less of a villain.
“Cool motive, still murder.”
"But the guy in the Acolyte was so hot! Even though he murdered my friends"- the protagonist
what are his motives though? His people were never colonized but were active colonizers themselves, even if briefly. He is a hypocritical psychopath, nothing else.
*Remember when Danaerys “liberating” the world was seen as cartoonishly evil?*
EFAP is hypocritical here though. They kept making the argument that Daenerys was fine because she only *threatened* to burn down cities and raze populations to the ground. She didn't actually do it! Meanwhile Killmonger threatens to do it, and he's immediately actually evil?
An aspiring artist and political visionary sees the exploitation and humiliation of the people of his adopted homeland at the hands of a shadowy cabal of ne'er-do-wells and sets out to restore his nations glory and preserve the very existence of it´s populace.
Truly a hero's journey.
Unironically true
4:23 "This doesn't sound like he story of a villain. Far from it!"
He was the hero. But history is written by the victors.
When I first watched the movie, I thought that Killmonger was supposed to be somebody who was sympathetic, but still clearly a villain. Like, his plan was just going to cause needless destruction, and when he said 'The sun never sets in Wakanda' I thought the movie was directly calling him out. That's a phrase used to describe the British Empire! The British Empire that committed a lot of atrocities to keep their colonies, and whose colonial practices the movie was (attempting) to critique! Were we not supposed to realize how much of a threat Killmonger was to both the wider world and the people he supposedly cares about and wants free?
He may have had good intentions, but you know what they say about the road to hell. I genuinely thought that he wasn't supposed to be idolized for the longest time.
Hearing that apparently a lot of people thought otherwise is more than a little confusing.
If the British were black these people would praise the last few hundred years of imperialism.
You pretty much have that correct. He's like Thanos in that you can understand his motives and still recognize the insanity of their actions of how it would cause more problems.
The people who think he's a hero have the same delusion his character has!
I took the girlfriend killing scene to mean that even if he cared for her, he cared more about his mission, showcasing his conviction and unwillingness to yield to intimidation and threats by others, even against people he might care for in some capacity. Then again, he pretty casually knocked her off and displayed no remorse over it from what I recall. Does he even look upset when or after he kills her?
Nope.
Well that might just be because the guy is a shite actor
@@jon2067he is! I don’t understand how everyone is praising him for acting, I feel like I’m taking crazy pills!
I remember after watching Black Panther going to a bookstore where a guy tried buying BP comics but none of them went past issue #3 because they didn’t sell
The best thing about Thor 4 is how it, seemingly by magic, made me remember not only the several times that I had watched Thor 2, but it also made me remember the various plot bits and characters.
So the best thing about Thor 4 is it makes Thor 2 look good by comparison. Checks out.
Ragnarok was even worse than LAT tbh.
@@TheStraightestWhitest said no one ever.
@@TheStraightestWhitest uh no, L&T is far worse and it’s not even close. Ragnorak is def shit tho.
@@joshfatal but it doesn’t. Thor 2 is still shit. People need to stop lowering the bar just because bad content exists.
Even if Black Panther’s father didn’t need to murder him, Killmonger’s dad committed crimes first. That makes the case for Killmonger’s writing even worse.
"admirable in some ways"
The background, for you audience-members in the furthest rows, is Killmonger burning all the flowers that hold the secret to physically healing the human body back from bullet wounds in the spine.
52:45 Rags 😂😂😂
I just woke up everyone in my house laughing so loudly
That dog really has a commendably sharp wit
You heard of Kris Kristofferson? Well, I am piss piss off'ed-eson.
I give that joke a 4/10.
Your first name is Piss?
Nice.
@@wilder11 he STOLE THAT he is a cheat and a fraud sadly.
-2
@@wilder11 I give it 3/5ths
"Iron Man 3 and Thor the Dark World are the low point of the MCU" Oh how i wish that was still the case
I mean, Thanos killed trillions of children and people still think he did nothing wrong.
Undoing that led to Phase Four.
So please, by all means, name the lie.
@@ephraimwinslow if he had not done it there would be nothing to undo
Still did nothing wrong
Wdym, Thanos temporarily stopped Phase 4.
Sir, Moviebob is not a “people.”
3:57 WOW. I guessed Palpatine before you said a single word of your description. I could read your mental wave length
If you guys haven’t ever seen it, there’s an old show called “Misfits” that aired years and years ago.
Essentially a comedy/superheroes-lite, it’s about juvenile delinquents getting superpowers and getting into delinquent shenanigans…
Some other people get powers too, so there’s villains and some neat story arcs.
Highly highly HIGHLY recommend, it was like The Boys meets Superbad.
No. Don't. It implodes so quickly.
Read the comic if you're curious, its initial run is *actually* really good (which is part of what makes the show completely Schitt).
EDIT: NVM. I got "Misfits" and "Runaways" confused.
@@ephraimwinslow How quickly?
I don't think there are comics.
35:30. "I am curious as to how you feel about....ZIS CAT TOY!"
"Jiggeldy jiggeldy!"
"Nothing?"
"Well, zhat's embarrassing...."
Killmonger was not a good villain, but I actually get this guy's point about T'challa and Erik having similar goals.
It's basically that both of them want Wakanda to take a position in the world stage, with T'challa being more uncertain about it as he doesn't know what way to do it - in line with that movie being about him deciding what kind of king he will be.
Killmonger wants Wakanda to take a position on the world stage, but to do so violently and with retributive "justice" that leads to a lot of murder and would end up basically being the same colonial force he resents.
I don't think it's *GOOD*, but I think that's what the guy in the video was meaning by saying they had similar goals.
Thanos is unironically less evil than Killmonger. He, at no point, kills *_anyone_* he doesn't need to. When he has the stones he always goes out of his way to be non-lethal, even to the heros trying to stop him. He does kill more people overall, but thats because he thinks its literally necessary (& based on the information we've been given he seems correct, or at least like he has good reason to believe he's correct) KillMonger however just kills because.
Wtf, did you just forget Endgame. Thanos wanted to kill everyone
Uhhh Asgardians? Kree? He killed anyone in his way
@@something73110 He is talking about Infinity war Thanos not endgame Thanos, they might as well be two different characters.
@@bandawin18 he explicitly didn't tho. Did you even watch the movie? He literally turned drax into ribbons rather than actually doing anything lethal once he had the power to. He did kill people, but only out of necessity, percieved or otherwise. At no point has he ever been shown killing just because.
The absolute *_closest_* we get to that is 1 : when squidward tells the other 2 to let him have his fun fighting Hulk, but that was a fist-fight sparring match for him, he wasn't getting a kick out of torturing him or anything, and 2 : maaaybe Loki and Heimdall, but both of them were subdued first and then only killed because they kept causing issues. (And of them if I recall he didn't even kill Heimdall, that was one of his goonies) And, again, when he actually had more of the stones he always went for the non-lethal option. I.e. when he already had enough power that he felt his goals were assured he explicitly avoided death.
His plans involved a lot of death, but he never killed unnecessarily. Killmonger did, repeatedly.
And killing to achieve a goal, specifically a goal that a character believes will help the wider population, isn't remotely a villain-exclusive characteristic. To absolutely fucking shatter the long broken record, Steve Rogers has a *_lot_* of blood on that shield and tony shot kinetic darts into people's skulls in his first outing in the Mark 3 armor. (Mark 2? I think ot was mark 3 but it might have been mark 2.)
@@mr.e2239 They're practically the same character and even written by the same people, what are you on?
Clip so old Jay is still Cinemasinssins
How dare the algorithm keep this amazing moment away from me for four whole minutes
There was a guy on tick tock that dressed up as killmonger, I think his channel name was basically killmonger was right, and spent a lot of his videos on trash talking white people, calling them out for things he believed to be wrong. He said white people don’t care or interact with no white cultures at all, to which I showed off all my Japanese products I bought because I like Japan (shocking, I know) to which HE responded that that didn’t count, and when I pressed him on what I should do as a white person to show that I do care about non white cultures, he thanked me for being a nice white, and then told me to go eat at Mexican restaurants. Not sure how that proves Killmonger right, but hey, I don’t mind gorging on Chimichangas and tacos.
Magneto and Xavier were not based on MLK and Malcom X.
22:34 that seems to be the near universal reaction to Thor 2.
1. "There was a 2?"
2. "Oh, yeah. Wait, what happened in it?"
Only things i remember is the reality stone and loki death scene
Kill monger was a part of the Avengers when he took over the Black Panther mantle for like a year of issues in the early 2000s. It was awesome and much more drawn out then the movie
Everything after "actually" tends to be a lie. Just like everything before "butt".
Why would kilmonger’s dad choose to live in Oakland? What’s the benefit over living in Wakanda?
White kitty.
(It's literally the only thing that makes sense.)
Food stamps and welfare checks. Rhinos are hard to milk and the milk tastes like bleach for some reason.
I thought he was spying for Wakanda before he disobeyed orders.
He was trying to make a race war. (Literally his intention)
White woman magic
Efap episode 188, @1:22:19, the conversation about where is objectively the correct pocket to put one's wallet into. 😂 Peak EFAP, with the added twist of three different countries and economies being explored.
Also, Episode 148, 6:56:50, is the first conversation about wallets, pockets, and money, OH my.
Hot take, if they’d kept Claw the same way as he was in ultron that movie would have been WAAY better with him as the lead. I also think theres a lot more you could have done with him instead of killmonger.
Like the whole movie sets up these interesting characters that would have made for a real cool showdown at the end.
Instead we basically just had a Typical back and forth regime issues that are LITERALLY like normal tuesdays everywhere else in Africa.
Man, back when Thor Darkworld was considered the worst
Listening to the first fifteen minutes, i do have a few things to say. On account of the near-heroic description, there's a video by Literature Devil called the villain's journey, where he assesses that villains tend to mirror the hero's journey, up to the test of temptation. That is where they stumble, and they become villains. One of his examples is Macbeth, who had the king's favor, then was tempted by his wife to kill for the crown.
On the killing of his girlfriend, i have two theories: it's either a showing of Eric's flaw (his rage) also kills those he cares about, or that he puts his goals above his personal desires. That's probably what they were trying to do, at least.
Killmonger is such a misunderstood hero unless you know anything about him or happen to hear his name. Kills so much he was named after his killing obsession doesn't exactly scream antihero. More like buffoonish over the top Sat morning carttonish super villainy. Jason Voorhees is more of a misunderstood hero than Killmonger.
Oh, and the best Marvel Villain was Deacon Frost from Blade 1.
(And "Max" from "The Losers" is the best DC villain. In case you were wondering.)
Seriously, if you've never heard of/seen "The Losers"? It's... basically "The A Team" from Tesco's... but the villain is so unbelievably fun that he makes up for it.
"It's like giving a handgun to a six year old, Wade. Ya don't know how it's gonna end... but you're pretty sure it's gonna make the papers."
Pretty sure James Spader was doing what he does with his role as Raymond Reddington for Ultron
It's important to remember Killmonger is only deep to the We Wuz Kangs crowd
God. At the very least the movie is acknowledging him in a villain role. Nowadays, characters like Karli and Gaea does way more heinous shit and gets all the praise and are viewed as sympathetic saints. I miss the old days so much......
Galactic Fuzzbal out here asking the real questions.
He was definitely not a bad villain, but he was not understandable.
As a kid he suffered and struggled, bet his childhood sucked. Then the man went to grad school, joined special forces. Sounds like a pretty successful life to me, but no the system he came up through is just awful and needs to be tore down and replaced using a race war.
The way my face lit up when the man himself showed up in chat.
Stay rad guys 🤣
Is Zemo the guy in civil war who goes “I was actually the mastermind the whole time!”
Yeah
35:35 Rags moment
48:05 That reaction STILL slays me... XD
I just started clapping at @47:17 with the magneto comparison
It's hilariously funny how Mauler laughs at the "he plays a black character" line when you think about the fact that nowadays many black actors play originally white characters, and playing an actual black one is not a given.
Why does the guy in the video sound like a higher pitched Joe Rogan?
"I watched The Dark World and Iron Man 3 back to back and I thought "Yeah I'm done with Marvel""
Bro didn't know how bad it would get xd
The only thing I dislike about this video is the length
"What if?" makes it clear that Killmonger is the worst.
54:41
Malcom Reynolds was the bad guy. - Rags
Damn I need to brush off my black panther lore
Ah a time before LOKI was made just a Silvi simp.
I kept thinking this guy in the video was Sitch
Michael B Jordan
Michael Fassbender
Michael Jai White
The curse of the shitty agent seems to have a pattern...
Ah the time when Thor dark world was considered one of the worst mcu movies. Good times good times
Killmonger's ritual scarification marking his kills is cultural appropriation because nobody else in Wakanda is shown to have those.
While practiced in other parts of Africa, ritual scars are done as rites of passage into adulthood.
Now, Killmonger might have a connection to those tribes via his African-American mother, but his scars as markings for his kills kind of misses the whole point of the scars in the first place as he rejects both sides of his heritage in favor of his pro-war, Afro-centrism world view.
But honestly his acceptance by one of the 5 factions of Wakanda is glossed over way too quickly. His first act should have been about him infiltrating Wakanda and growing his influence to subvert the monarchy prior to his challenge of his Cousin. But instead of doing an interesting political intrigue arc with character motivations being fleshed out, the writers decided to have a pointless action scene in South Korea instead.
This movie blows hard.
Yeah. The ease with which he takes over and almost starts WW3 just highlights how badly the film handles any world building for Wakanda _and_ how badly it fumbles people like T’Chaka and T’Challa.
His plan would have, and should have, fallen apart at any point if not for arbitrary incompetence from T’Challa and T’Chaka (hell, even Glaw). But instead, a guy who did wetwork for the CIA showed up, announced he was the bastard son of the last king’s brother, and he gets the keys to the kingdom after throwing the current king off a waterfall during a hastily assembled gladiatorial deathmatch.
If you are a hyphenated American, you are an American. I don't care where people you have nothing in common with came from, anyone can tell you are an American despite what you look like. Hyphenated Americans are insufferable. Honestly it would have been less silly if he was wearing earrings shaped like Africa.
honestly I feel like I might be weird for this but I used to like Thor Ragnarok over the other Thor movies but currently I actually find it really tough to rewatch while I love the first two Thor films as I can't really stand how they just do constant jokes and a lot of which are kinda at Thors expense even though it makes no sense
like him being taken down by a taser even though he should be able to just take it and is strong enough to just rip it off
let's not forget Thor is strong enough to actually wrestle with Hulk without his hammer and just his hands
There are a lot of positives to Mr. H.
- Lunch breaks
- Hydrocarbon conversion (coal to oil)
- Financially salvaged Germany
- Supported the Israeli state
- Opposed the Communists
- Dewoked his university system
If you only tell part of the story, it doesn't sound bad.
Churchill was preaching that Germany and Hitler were eeeeevil and should die long before the war started. I mean, England even started bombing Germany first, and hitting German civilian targets, despite Germany only hitting military targets. And you know what? All the other countries were SO accepting of the Jewish people when Germany kicked them out... by accepting absolutely no Jews...
I mean, Russia had space, it's not like the Jewish people were largely the leaders of the Bolsheviks who caused a bunch of suffer... wait... they were? Weird. That's never in history books.
It's like having history written by the victors and historians who are always biased removes all of the victors' flaws, and other facts of WHY things happen... including war crimes and hypocritically fomenting the very war people were trying to stop.
@@hariman7727 USSR was welcoming Jews and leaders were ethnically diverse tbh
@@peppermint_Pepe ...The USSR that created the Gulags and had previously caused The Holodomor.
@@hariman7727 I love how you throw accusations that have nothing to do with my message
@@peppermint_Pepe I'm pointing out that the USSR was not some bastion of goodness and happiness.
Your haring off to attack me because I'm not 100% agreeing with you, apparently.
might wanna put that in quotes so we don't mistake that as being an opinion EFAP has
Hi Wolf!
6:12 Very true.
Blast from the past
I thought Jared was der verboten ein
I would take Thor 2 villain over KillCoomer
Are you really criticizing the Thor movies for spitting in the face of Norse Mythology like it is supposed to be a straight 1:1 adaptation? It takes elements of Norse mythology. This is a comic book character. It never presents itself as trying to represent actual Norse mythology. It does not need to be accurate.
As for Dark World itself, while it is a flawed movie it is a hell of a lot better than Ragnarok that turned the character into the butt of every joke. Dark World still took itself seriously and had moments of levity when appropriate. You can argue about how forgettable or weak it is. I would still take that movie any day of the week over something like Ragnarok. When I watch Ragnarok I don't see Thor, I see Chris Hemsworth. I see the Hulk who has no business being in a movie about the destruction of Asgard.
@@dkirby9052 THANK YOU!!! I never liked Ragnarok and I still don't understand why most of these guys like it, but hate Love & Thunder for being too goofy and degrading.
@@silverscorpio24 I liked it up until I came to terms with the fact that Taika Waititi is literally just a 10 year old in a grown man's body, and that What We Do in the Shadows (the movie) represents 100% of what he had to contribute to art, culture, and comedy.
Everything else he does can and should be skipped.
@@silverscorpio24 I used to gaslight myself into liking Ragnarok by saying "Well at least it is a fun and entertaining movie." I can't even do that anymore. Ragnarok has the same problems that Love and Thunder has.
I hope no GOW haters find this comment.
27:15
I must disagree. Peak Captain America had the mask.
I miss Jay 😭
I thought Kilmonger was an excellent villain. The fact that he has no idea why his father was killed (for treason), which is because they chose to just leave him and his mother behind. I'd be looking for some payback too.
The problem is when people try and say he was right
@Galvatronover Well from his perspective he was, because T'Chaka dropped the ball and left him behind with no clue why his father was killed. He was also right about Wikanda not stepping in when the Agojie and others were selling Africans to white Europeans.
That doesn't make him an excellent villian though
@McMahonHater every villian believes they are correct in their perspective
Doesn't mean that they are well written though
@trevorferrell3571 Why not?
I don't know what Captain Midnight was smoking on this one. He's normally better than this... though as I say that, I DID end up unsubscribing from his channel because I just lost interest in his commentary.
Good to see that going all the way back Rags still has terrible takes and can't articulate a point to defend them in a way that doesn't have him backpedaling.
1:01:12
Dude perfect timing. I've had this idiot villian pop up in my head because to me he's exactly the issue with Disney. He's a major idiot in black panther and full retarrrdddd in what if. He had potential to be a good anti hero or villian. I haven't put any thought into what I would do with his and what he would challenge T'Challa.
45:44 funnily enough, MLK was remarkably pro-riot, and Malcolm X renounced his youthful ideology.
No, he wasn't. There are multiple videos of him saying peacefully protesting is the best thing to do.
@hope-cat4894 and there are multiple writings where he basically says, "Y'all better give us what we want before we start riotin'!"
Very pragmatic, that preacher man. Slept with a different woman at every stop, liked to party, allegedly used various narcotics and was party to a repe...
I hate Annihilation.
First!
No
@@Rusty84CV Actually, yes.