Something I saw on another video as fanon which I love. "Not confirmed, but I'm pretty sure everytime Count Bleck speaks, he is actually reading his own lines in the Dark Prognosticus. It explains why he refers to himself in the third person and also explains the random "asked/says Count Bleck" at the end of some of his dialogues. He detached himself from the world that betrayed him so much he doesn't even speak his own thoughts."
Makes a ton of sense. Around the end of chapter 6, we finally start to see the cracks form as he realizes Timpani may still be alive. Only after his defeat and removal by Dimentio, is his true self able to return.
For a Mario game I’m surprised how wild the writers went with it. They used the Mario world as a backdrop to tell their own story, rather than telling a story within the Mario world. But I think that’s why I love it. Really such a bizarre game
@breadandcircuses8127 Absolutely! Giving him his typical traits along with fleshing him out even more, i.e. being easily manipulatable, like with the Goombas buttering him up, made him by far the most interesting and thoroughly deep Luigi I've ever seen!
This game has to be My favorite Paper Mario game. Maybe even my favorite Mario game thanks to the story. Love it so much that I will proudly and gladly play it again over and over to just fall in love with the story once more.
Count Bleck/Blumiere might as well be a cinematic villain, for his actually tragic backstory, and his hopeless-driven rage against the world (even knowing it is wrong, but too driven to turn back). Dimentio, while not as well written, is also amazing for his brilliant scheming, only to be destroyed by free will (or as Bowser says, the belief in "mopping the floor" with Dimentio).
the thing with stuff in the vid, while great; The Light Prognosticus actually isn't Prophetic, the Purity heart was the ancients making a way to *possibly* stop the end of all existence, which of course worked as seen in the game, the Dark Prognosticus was the only book that was Prophetic, which is quite an unnerving thought
3:15 I love that when you're talking about the outlawing of the creation of more Pixls, you showed a clip of Burgermeister Meisterburger's anti-toy laws from Santa Claus is Comin' to Town.
@@JasonDS64 Honestly, I liked SPM's gameplay more than Sticker Star's. Not to be a broken record, but I really just think turn-based combat is busted as hell without XP or something similar. I prefer Paper Mario being a traditional turn-based RPG, but I'm okay with them moving away from that in favor of being an "action-adventure." But if they want to ditch XP, they also need to ditch turn-based combat.
So you just woke up this Friday and said.......imma make it emotional on here. Lol i love this story though. 3rd best paper mario but number 1 storyline
9:42 This is why I love bleck. He has no justification for destroying all worlds, using a child to aid his plan and betraying his closest allies. He just does it. He knows what he's doing, even after Tippi returns he still fight until of course someone else takes control at which point he instantly swaps sides. I like this though because it portrays a realistic character. Ive met people only interested in personal gain and themselves way to many times and bleck is the perfect representation of it. He killer everyone in his tribe for literally no reason. For all he could've know Timpanni could've just been exploring the world waiting for Blumiere to find and fix her. But either way no justification. You can argue just barely it's fair to kill his father but everyone else? Perhaps he was abused as a child and all that but either way everyone and everything destroyed for no reason? Totally reluctant to change because like most narcissists, he can't accept being wrong.
@breadandcircuses8127 it's just a shame his redemption is such a letdown. So is demnentio. Like yeah I love the guy but he hits evil too on the nose. Especially with such a realistic character right next to him
Arguably, his evil appears to be because he let himself be controlled by the Dark Prognosticus. One person used that as an explanation for his third person talk; he's reciting it. It would also better explain his stark contrast between his villainous persona and the broken, shattered Blumiere buried within. Only after his defeat, is he able to snap out of it. But I love Dimentio for being the more raw, but incredibly clever form of evil, in contrast with Blumiere. By no means perfect or realistic, but I enjoyed both villains. The others in the group are excellent too (including Mr. L).
I see your point, but I think it’s kind of implied Bleck had gone insane by the time he started killing people. (Notice how he only starts speaking strangely and doing his “BLEH HEHE HEHE! BLECK!” after he confronts his father.) This does not excuse his actions but people can do very very horrible things while under mind breaking emotions, such as rage and grief. No matter the consequences that may follow. Also Mimi is in no way a child. Her true form is a giant spider creature with mechanical insides. She’s also a shapeshifter so the way we see her is probably just her preferred form.
Super Paper Mario was a really great game I loved the story and the designs of the pixel partners. Nice to see as well that all four main Mario characters are playable in this one.
This was the first paper Mario game I ever played and I remember how much I enjoyed this game without thinking much about the story back then at all, now I am not a child anymore and I just finished replaying this game. This time the story really resonated with me and the game still sticks in my head. The story is just so very emotional and you really feel for the characters especially tippi and count bleck. I really like how Mario and co are just tools in this game, plot devices used to deliver the dramatic tragedy with a beautiful ending of Lady timpani and count bleck
I still think its funny Mario and Luigi go to hell and Peach goes to heaven, i can see Mario going to hell due to the murders, but Luigi isna sweetheart
I haven't played the game in a couple years, and I wanted to finish my playthrough but I couldn't remember all the plot points so far. thanks for this video!
A stupid survey where over 90% of players said they didn't care for the story. Probably a bunch of normies who either never played the game, but did the poll for the kicks, or got it merely because it was a Super Mario game on the Wii (after all, both Galaxy and NSMB Wii didn't come out yet). They let others' opinions control their art.
I really should give this one another shot. After playing Paper Mario and The Thousand Year Door, I had hope for this one but couldn't get behind how much they changed as well as the looks of the world and its inhabitants. Maybe I'll come back to it and give it a fair go again.
Too SPM’s credit while it’s gameplay was changed it at least had most of what fans enjoyed about the first two which is more than can be said how it’s 3DS follow up was handled by the new team and Tanabe.
With Nintendo's new survey about both paper Mario and the Mario and Luigi series... it's possible we might be getting stories like this in the Mario series again.
Now imagine if they didn't stray from the gameplay formula used in TTYD and OG Paper Mario. this would likely be the best paper mario game if that were the case, though I can also see it as second as people hold TTYD high.
I had seen a reworked version pitched in a video by "The Red Guy". He called it Paper Mario & The Dark Prognosticus. Basically if it was a TTYD successor, plus new elements like choosing between a hero (the 4) and a partner, as well as playable interchapter segments by different characters.
Wait, there was a 3,000 year old conflict in SPM too? Man, if I had a nickel for every game I knew that had a 3K year old conflict that happened before the events of the game started, I'd have 2 nickels. Which isn't a lot, but, it's weird it's happened twice, right? To my knowledge at least. Pokémon X/Y Super Paper Mario
@@phictionofgrandeur2387 yeah I know I've played SPM I just didn't realize how many hidden narratives nintendo used to make I never knew this was the story of SPM I knew about the events in the game but I played it as a kid how was I to interpret this much from the game I usually just ignored the chapter interludes
Something I saw on another video as fanon which I love.
"Not confirmed, but I'm pretty sure everytime Count Bleck speaks, he is actually reading his own lines in the Dark Prognosticus.
It explains why he refers to himself in the third person and also explains the random "asked/says Count Bleck" at the end of some of his dialogues.
He detached himself from the world that betrayed him so much he doesn't even speak his own thoughts."
Makes a ton of sense.
Around the end of chapter 6, we finally start to see the cracks form as he realizes Timpani may still be alive. Only after his defeat and removal by Dimentio, is his true self able to return.
And after you defeat him, he goes back to referring to himself as ‘I,’ meaning he has returned to his true identity.
For a Mario game I’m surprised how wild the writers went with it. They used the Mario world as a backdrop to tell their own story, rather than telling a story within the Mario world. But I think that’s why I love it. Really such a bizarre game
It’s also a major reason why this underrated gem has garnered more of a fan following in recent years.
Making Luigi the key to the fate of the universe was friggin' EPIC.
@breadandcircuses8127 Absolutely! Giving him his typical traits along with fleshing him out even more, i.e. being easily manipulatable, like with the Goombas buttering him up, made him by far the most interesting and thoroughly deep Luigi I've ever seen!
Mario RPG devs have this weird tradition of putting Luigi through several horrors unknown to man and I kind of love it. Give my man a hug he needs it
Super Paper Mario needs to be on the switch
Super paper Mario on the go😄 sounds amazing.
The first three need to come to the switch
We got the thousand year door. Super paper mario or the original could very well be next
Why not Xbox one?
YEAH!
This game has to be My favorite Paper Mario game. Maybe even my favorite Mario game thanks to the story. Love it so much that I will proudly and gladly play it again over and over to just fall in love with the story once more.
Count Bleck/Blumiere might as well be a cinematic villain, for his actually tragic backstory, and his hopeless-driven rage against the world (even knowing it is wrong, but too driven to turn back). Dimentio, while not as well written, is also amazing for his brilliant scheming, only to be destroyed by free will (or as Bowser says, the belief in "mopping the floor" with Dimentio).
the thing with stuff in the vid, while great; The Light Prognosticus actually isn't Prophetic, the Purity heart was the ancients making a way to *possibly* stop the end of all existence, which of course worked as seen in the game, the Dark Prognosticus was the only book that was Prophetic, which is quite an unnerving thought
3:15 I love that when you're talking about the outlawing of the creation of more Pixls, you showed a clip of Burgermeister Meisterburger's anti-toy laws from Santa Claus is Comin' to Town.
Sticker Star was a really big step backwards from this game.
In regards to store at least, we went from one of the best ones in Mario RPG history to hardly one at all.@breadandcircuses8127
@@JasonDS64 Honestly, I liked SPM's gameplay more than Sticker Star's. Not to be a broken record, but I really just think turn-based combat is busted as hell without XP or something similar. I prefer Paper Mario being a traditional turn-based RPG, but I'm okay with them moving away from that in favor of being an "action-adventure." But if they want to ditch XP, they also need to ditch turn-based combat.
Still my favorite video game of all time. Really hope Luigi got therapy after this game because he needs it
So you just woke up this Friday and said.......imma make it emotional on here.
Lol i love this story though. 3rd best paper mario but number 1 storyline
For me spm is closer to the second place than paper Mario to the first place
The ending made me cry the first time I played it, this is the best video game I ever knew, the years go by and it's still my favorite
9:42 This is why I love bleck. He has no justification for destroying all worlds, using a child to aid his plan and betraying his closest allies. He just does it. He knows what he's doing, even after Tippi returns he still fight until of course someone else takes control at which point he instantly swaps sides.
I like this though because it portrays a realistic character. Ive met people only interested in personal gain and themselves way to many times and bleck is the perfect representation of it. He killer everyone in his tribe for literally no reason. For all he could've know Timpanni could've just been exploring the world waiting for Blumiere to find and fix her. But either way no justification. You can argue just barely it's fair to kill his father but everyone else? Perhaps he was abused as a child and all that but either way everyone and everything destroyed for no reason? Totally reluctant to change because like most narcissists, he can't accept being wrong.
@breadandcircuses8127 it's just a shame his redemption is such a letdown. So is demnentio. Like yeah I love the guy but he hits evil too on the nose. Especially with such a realistic character right next to him
Arguably, his evil appears to be because he let himself be controlled by the Dark Prognosticus. One person used that as an explanation for his third person talk; he's reciting it. It would also better explain his stark contrast between his villainous persona and the broken, shattered Blumiere buried within.
Only after his defeat, is he able to snap out of it.
But I love Dimentio for being the more raw, but incredibly clever form of evil, in contrast with Blumiere. By no means perfect or realistic, but I enjoyed both villains. The others in the group are excellent too (including Mr. L).
I see your point, but I think it’s kind of implied Bleck had gone insane by the time he started killing people. (Notice how he only starts speaking strangely and doing his “BLEH HEHE HEHE! BLECK!” after he confronts his father.)
This does not excuse his actions but people can do very very horrible things while under mind breaking emotions, such as rage and grief. No matter the consequences that may follow.
Also Mimi is in no way a child. Her true form is a giant spider creature with mechanical insides. She’s also a shapeshifter so the way we see her is probably just her preferred form.
So glad I found this! Super Paper Mario was a favorite of mine for a long time. My original save has hundreds of hours put in
Super Paper Mario: “Romeo and Juliet with multiversal ending stakes!”
Forgot one important plot point in the foreshadowing.
Tipis flashbacks between later chapters
I remember playing this and being shocked at how long it was
2:34 Spinel’s heart before it was shunned?
I have the soundtrack ‘Without you’ telling the sordid tale of Star Crossed lovers Blumiere and Lady Timpani
One of my favourite games, first time when I understood the story i cried at the end
Super Paper Mario was a really great game I loved the story and the designs of the pixel partners. Nice to see as well that all four main Mario characters are playable in this one.
youre underrated bro 👊
Agreed
This was the first paper Mario game I ever played and I remember how much I enjoyed this game without thinking much about the story back then at all, now I am not a child anymore and I just finished replaying this game. This time the story really resonated with me and the game still sticks in my head.
The story is just so very emotional and you really feel for the characters especially tippi and count bleck.
I really like how Mario and co are just tools in this game, plot devices used to deliver the dramatic tragedy with a beautiful ending of Lady timpani and count bleck
4:19 bro he wrong for that
Truly sick work
I still think its funny Mario and Luigi go to hell and Peach goes to heaven, i can see Mario going to hell due to the murders, but Luigi isna sweetheart
what murders ???
@@star-rock6466 koopas, goombas, bowsers children. Doesnt matter the motive, Mario has killed alot.
@ashtonoak4370, so has luigi
@@fantasticbirdblue but because of his brother. His enemies are normally already dead.
Yeah funnily enough, Paper Mario (64) named as "Mario Story" originally in Japan. Love the vid! ❤️
I haven't played the game in a couple years, and I wanted to finish my playthrough but I couldn't remember all the plot points so far. thanks for this video!
How did we go from a grandiose story that takes 16 minutes to properly explain... to STICKERS!?
A stupid survey where over 90% of players said they didn't care for the story. Probably a bunch of normies who either never played the game, but did the poll for the kicks, or got it merely because it was a Super Mario game on the Wii (after all, both Galaxy and NSMB Wii didn't come out yet). They let others' opinions control their art.
I wonder where the previous two Papet Mario games take place in this timeline...
Bowser, Windmill arms😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I really should give this one another shot. After playing Paper Mario and The Thousand Year Door, I had hope for this one but couldn't get behind how much they changed as well as the looks of the world and its inhabitants. Maybe I'll come back to it and give it a fair go again.
Too SPM’s credit while it’s gameplay was changed it at least had most of what fans enjoyed about the first two which is more than can be said how it’s 3DS follow up was handled by the new team and Tanabe.
when i was 7 there was way to much dialoge for me to read so thanks for telling me what actually was happening
Wow, most of the Tippi x Count Bleck stuff went completely over my head as a kid
Mimi gave me too many nightmares, that spider Mimi scared tf outta me as a kid
Blumire is a Boss a very annoying strong boss in Super Mario RPG just remembered
Blumiere+Dark Prognosticus +Polymerization=Count Bleck!
@@leociresi4292 i meant Belome 🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️ silly me
With Nintendo's new survey about both paper Mario and the Mario and Luigi series... it's possible we might be getting stories like this in the Mario series again.
What was with Mario games for the Wii and them having such big Lore? Super, Galaxy, ect.
Happy 17th Anniversary Super Paper Mario.
Yes
2:30 THE CRYSTAL HEART!
Now imagine if they didn't stray from the gameplay formula used in TTYD and OG Paper Mario.
this would likely be the best paper mario game if that were the case, though I can also see it as second as people hold TTYD high.
I had seen a reworked version pitched in a video by "The Red Guy". He called it Paper Mario & The Dark Prognosticus. Basically if it was a TTYD successor, plus new elements like choosing between a hero (the 4) and a partner, as well as playable interchapter segments by different characters.
Wait, there was a 3,000 year old conflict in SPM too? Man, if I had a nickel for every game I knew that had a 3K year old conflict that happened before the events of the game started, I'd have 2 nickels. Which isn't a lot, but, it's weird it's happened twice, right? To my knowledge at least.
Pokémon X/Y
Super Paper Mario
Ah yes, Kingdom hearts
now do the great book of mario
is this the real story? it feels so out there
ok watching further it's starting to make more sense but man this does feel like some earthbound deltarune stuff
It's older than Deltarune, and Toby Fox MAY have been inspired by the PM series (as well as Earthbound) to make Undertale and Deltarune.@@saxeladude
@@phictionofgrandeur2387 yeah I know I've played SPM I just didn't realize how many hidden narratives nintendo used to make I never knew this was the story of SPM I knew about the events in the game but I played it as a kid how was I to interpret this much from the game I usually just ignored the chapter interludes
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK !?!?!?
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@@Pecktor what the heck is this story !!!
@@mathyeuxsommet3119Super Paper Mario on the Wii
Mid paper mario but if you think of as just a mario it great
It literally is the mid paper mario though.
It was the third game released.