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it made me incredibly jaded. when it came down to it, when all her safety measure and lies ran out, she *continued* to throw people under the bus, going as far as to accuse her former lover of fucking murder, just to ensure her own safety. And I got completely and thoroughly played. I fully believed her, even trusted her not to run when I gave her that station call. All because she tugged on my fucking heart strings with her whimpering pleas like a puppy. I didn't have high enough volition to pass the "compromised" check. I guess I shouldn't feel to bad about me being too gullible - all of harry's personality fragments got fooled too.
she would deserve to be arrested if the moralintern was actually a trustworthy authority that would simply keep her away from anyone else she could harm. but, just like its real life equivalents, the moralintern is very much not that, and equating "arrest" with "magically remove from the equation, and punish in an undefined but abstractly deserved way" is ideology at work
She deserves it for still lying after being outed to be lying and being given a second chance. Her character and actions absolutely don’t make sense anyway though
The fear in her voice is genuine, and she did not deserve to die in prison. Yet I still believe that she shouldn't run free. Her actions during the investigation lead to misleading officers in an escalating situation she likely knew about. If this wasn't a videogame, her misleading officers would likely result in less preparation for the Tribunal, and that would have gotten more people killed. Not to mention the whole hanging, that riled up the mercs. Even if it's all self-defense, she's endagering innocent lives, and in the ending where she runs off she's likely to do so again.
Yeah, she didn't deserve to die, but I bet the writers wanted to make a point that if you mess with politicians or big companies you either get killed or spend life in perpetual fear, no matter how benign you are.
@@rangergxi There's a Shivers check that seem to imply otherwise, though. Granted, not much is described, but the way it's worded out made it seem like it's all over for her now.
@@ZavulonItOn she got out of the shady job she had, guilt really does bite at her. And she knows shes a terrible person. She even tries to pay back for her harm by helping the detectives when she really didn't need too. She made mistakes, and lied to protect herself but thats not evil, thats human. She is taking the first steps into redemption, if we condemn her then what hope does anyone else have.
Klaasje is one of the best written female characters I have seen in a while. She is a crazy druggy bitch who is willing to sacrifice everybody else to save herself, but despite that is still endearing. She shamelessly uses every manipulation strategy in the toolbox: sex, nationalistic pride, anti-moralintern communism, pity, brotherhood (with Hardy), blaming & even framing innocent people who were willing to risk themselves to help her. However, despite that rancid personality she is also willing to risk it all for a chance to get Lely's killer. She genuinely loved that evil man is willing to die to get justice for him. Volition told me Harry was being manipulated, but I still let her go and think it was the right choice. Was probably manipulated abit myself.
She’s an amazing foil to Harry’s characterization. She’s charismatic and collected where Harry is a walking mess. She has no true ties to Revachol or anywhere, unlike Harry who has an almost ethereal connection to the city. Above all else, she’s an almost transparently opaque character that even your human can opener senses can’t get a read on. With all that, she’s an addict who despite (or because) of it can read people and adapt to shocking circumstances almost perfectly. She’s a woman with no identity like Harry, and it’s purely by choice and to the detriment of her life, something she has to numb with copious amounts of narcotics and sex.
Espirit de Corps (or maybe Shivers) expains whats going on with her at the end of the game (different outcome wether you arrest, or leave her) spoilers: If arrested, She gets killed. exactly as she said she would get killed. if let go, she walks away from her life and starts recovering from the addiction while heading far south
She’s not well written at all. I would say I have the exact opposite of your opinion: little of her actually makes sense in the story, especially her calling the police
So after going through the game and Kim saying they should probably should have arrested her multiple times. I still believe that it was better not to considering she'd just die in jail. She didn't have a good excuse as to who killed Lely. So she just started shifting the blame to Ruby out of fear I guess. Ultimately it was her convincing us it was Ruby, the Hardies agreeing it could be Ruby, and Ruby's role in the drug trade that even sent her down to the R&D department that influenced us to prioritize her over the other suspected sniper locations that you consider. In my playthrough I pretty much completed all the quests and for the life of me could not find the other two locations. So I ended up moving on to locating Ruby. Which locks the game into the Tribunal and of course that progresses to the end game state It sucks that she literally threw everyone under the bus and someone always dies, but the only real way to punish her for it is to pretty much kill her yourself by arresting her. Last point: I think it's safe to assume she had an idea that the shot mat have came from the island (The deserter says as much when he brings up she stared right back at him through his scope) but it seemed to farfetched of an idea to really bring up, and only really came to her suddenly before the Tribunal occurred.
Yeah, arresting her doesn't influence the gameplay in any meaningful way. I assume the choice is there as a moral choice for the player or for whatever morality the player wants to project onto Harry in a given playthrough
@@likopinina6803 i feel like klassje was ultimate npc as no one was able to "play" her. While Harry and desserter could see through her, but former couldnt crack her to the end while latter still got infatuated
@@likopinina6803 y'know I think that's Disco Elysium in a nutshell. "Doesn't affect the game in a meaningful way." And I think that's a credit to it. You're just one cop, working for 7 days to solve a murder. You can't avoid the Tribunal from happening, you can't avoid the death of the middle class drunk, you can't avoid the Sniper's disease from corroding his nervous system. But you can save a life or two. You can change how people face these events. You can stand up to what is right, knowing that you can't succeed 100%, but still doing it because it's what's right. You can still have hope that, even if you didn't change things at a macro scale, doing what is right was important. It may not have changed things, but it mattered that it was attempted.
Fact: if shes arrested she will die Fact: By lying to the authorities and manipulating the Hardie Boys she has conciously put in motion events that will have dire consequences for a lot of innocent people making her a menace to soceity. And then you need to choose which ones worse this game is a masterpiece
I didn't even consider how much she was lying to Harry during the investigation, I just knew that by sending her to prison I was probably sending her to a worse fate, and totally took the bullet in believing she was lying for self-defence. It wasn't until a few days after finishing the game that I realized that she is complicit in just about everything to do with the case.
12:26 that one interruption of Logic stopped me from arresting and just give her the citation, for I didn't want to lose more time. This was Day 5-6 for me, one of the characters had died from old age so I was assuming bad stuff would happen if I waited just another day in solving the case.
I struggled with arresting Klaasje more than any other morally fucked up decision in the game. I have an ex who's almost exactly her, and I feel like punishing this videogame character for what my ex did would make me no better than Harry and his countless woman issues.
The communard and fascist trees were very relatable, (mainly former since latter mischaracterizes a lot of people), about idealism being a failure and you despite all the thinking, built only 0.000001% of utopia. Hit me like a sack of bricks.
I am glad I confused her with Ruby. The truck driver said that the woman responsible for drug trade would kill herself if arrested, and for whatever reason I had Klaasje in mind. My confusion saved her life.
@@likopinina6803 I do appreciate that the game takes the line that arresting people is generally the wrong thing to do if you care about their health and wellbeing. Very true to life.
I may not be able to save the Hardie Boys, but I can make sure Klassje joins them real soon. Putting the Hardy Boys and the rest of the community before a drunken firing squad is unforgivable. (And guess who’s “mysteriously missing” after the tribunal if you don’t arrest her? She doesn’t even stick around to comfort the surviving Hardy Boys…)
These lot are all compromised by anti-capital ideology. 'muh evil corpos, man". Fuck em all. She's evil, the mercs are evil, Joyce is evil, the deserters evil, corpos are evil, our fight with the demiurge continues ever onward...
If you don't arrest her she gives you that hint by tying rope to signify bullet trajectory to help solve the crime. Plus not like she did the murder so not much point in arresting her anyway.
To be honest I didn't arrest her just because I thought she still had information left to share. I was doing so well with my - good cop- role but became pissed after the third time she had me running all over revachol. F her ( awesome character tho)
I didn’t arrest her during my first run, and this conversation didn’t really make much of an impression on me. I completely missed the Ruby/Klaasje romance hints. Then Ruby died, and Klaasje skipped town. On my second run I read this again and was just flabbergasted that she decided to throw Ruby under the bus like that, *knowing* that if Ruby is caught it won’t probably end well for her, either. Klaasje is so fascinating. I was so mad during my first run, now I’m just fascinated. What a deranged, impactful character. The whole plot revolves around her manipulating the entirety of Martinaise.
I figured it out on day 2 on my first playthrough. Mercenary was shot, fatally, her window is fixed, she most likely got the hardie boys to take the bullet for her, she then told them to hoist him up on that tree, they're taking the bullet for her BECAUSE she runs the local d#*g trade (one of the foot soles is worn out, for the 8th hardie boy which is klassje, there's sandpaper in the lorry filled with narcotics), and probably much more, now she's saying that she wasn't assaulted by him, hardie boys thought that someone might have used the dead mercenary as target practice, klassje thinks the hardie boys shot him, which makes no sense since they said that they whacked him when he grabbed Klassje during Karaoke, hardie tells me to not ask her police questions but questions about the assault, she sensed that the police came hence why window got fixed, she is now saying that no assault happened probably as a way to divert the blame onto the hardie boys since if he didn't assault her during karaoke that means that they just violently attacked him for no reason, IT'S SO OBVIOUSLY HER WHY CAN'T I ARREST HER GAME, there might as well be video footage of her shooting him. They most likely did it for either his armor or for political motives. The story told by the 7 hardie boys is vastly different than the one told by the 8th hardie boy (Klassje). And then there's the things that she didn't tell us like the bullet. My guess is that she actually threw the gun away after she called the police, if she didn't muffle her voice she would've put more suspicion on herself, the only thing that doesn't add up is that Klassje called the police. For some reason the game isn't letting me arrest Klassje or even search her room. IT'S SO OBVIOUSLY HER. I don't know the lore so maybe there's an actual reason she did this.
I just arrested her, just didn't care enough to solve her bullshit puzzles and problems, her life means nothing to me, but anyway this dialog with her on the roof is the peak point of the game in terms of game mechanics, it really felt like literature dialog, remind me a scene of interrogation in dostoevsky's crime and punishment a bit
>I just arrested her, just didn't care enough to solve her bullshit puzzles and problems, her life means nothing to me and >this dialog with her on the roof is the peak point of the game in terms of game mechanics, it really felt like literature dialog pick one.
I would’ve arrested her, every instinct told me too. But one thing made me doubt myself “Kim would be unavailable for the rest of the day”
Oh yeah, I completely understand, I had to do so much planning in advance to make sure I won't need Kim for that particular day haha
@@likopinina6803 Saaaaaame Kim is the GOAT.
I was lucky to arrest her at 10PM, Kim was waiting for me in the morning all pround of himself.
Just do everything that day and arrest her at night lol
Literally only gave her the slip because I NEEDED Kim to listen to my karaoke
I hate how fast i believed her when she said Ruby did it. I got played so hard
I genuinely feel so sad for Ruby. Would still investigate the drug trade back in Jamrock, though.
it made me incredibly jaded. when it came down to it, when all her safety measure and lies ran out, she *continued* to throw people under the bus, going as far as to accuse her former lover of fucking murder, just to ensure her own safety.
And I got completely and thoroughly played. I fully believed her, even trusted her not to run when I gave her that station call. All because she tugged on my fucking heart strings with her whimpering pleas like a puppy.
I didn't have high enough volition to pass the "compromised" check. I guess I shouldn't feel to bad about me being too gullible - all of harry's personality fragments got fooled too.
You too, sire, are compromised
she would deserve to be arrested if the moralintern was actually a trustworthy authority that would simply keep her away from anyone else she could harm. but, just like its real life equivalents, the moralintern is very much not that, and equating "arrest" with "magically remove from the equation, and punish in an undefined but abstractly deserved way" is ideology at work
She deserves it for still lying after being outed to be lying and being given a second chance. Her character and actions absolutely don’t make sense anyway though
The fear in her voice is genuine, and she did not deserve to die in prison. Yet I still believe that she shouldn't run free. Her actions during the investigation lead to misleading officers in an escalating situation she likely knew about. If this wasn't a videogame, her misleading officers would likely result in less preparation for the Tribunal, and that would have gotten more people killed. Not to mention the whole hanging, that riled up the mercs. Even if it's all self-defense, she's endagering innocent lives, and in the ending where she runs off she's likely to do so again.
Yeah, she didn't deserve to die, but I bet the writers wanted to make a point that if you mess with politicians or big companies you either get killed or spend life in perpetual fear, no matter how benign you are.
I get the feeling that she would be able to escape the RCM's Jail. Those guys are kinda unreliable and susceptible to womanly charm.
@@rangergxi There's a Shivers check that seem to imply otherwise, though. Granted, not much is described, but the way it's worded out made it seem like it's all over for her now.
The choices were made, the price must be paid. She's got what she deserved. She has no redeeming qualities in my eyes.
@@ZavulonItOn she got out of the shady job she had, guilt really does bite at her. And she knows shes a terrible person. She even tries to pay back for her harm by helping the detectives when she really didn't need too. She made mistakes, and lied to protect herself but thats not evil, thats human. She is taking the first steps into redemption, if we condemn her then what hope does anyone else have.
Klaasje is one of the best written female characters I have seen in a while. She is a crazy druggy bitch who is willing to sacrifice everybody else to save herself, but despite that is still endearing. She shamelessly uses every manipulation strategy in the toolbox: sex, nationalistic pride, anti-moralintern communism, pity, brotherhood (with Hardy), blaming & even framing innocent people who were willing to risk themselves to help her. However, despite that rancid personality she is also willing to risk it all for a chance to get Lely's killer. She genuinely loved that evil man is willing to die to get justice for him. Volition told me Harry was being manipulated, but I still let her go and think it was the right choice. Was probably manipulated abit myself.
She’s an amazing foil to Harry’s characterization. She’s charismatic and collected where Harry is a walking mess. She has no true ties to Revachol or anywhere, unlike Harry who has an almost ethereal connection to the city. Above all else, she’s an almost transparently opaque character that even your human can opener senses can’t get a read on. With all that, she’s an addict who despite (or because) of it can read people and adapt to shocking circumstances almost perfectly. She’s a woman with no identity like Harry, and it’s purely by choice and to the detriment of her life, something she has to numb with copious amounts of narcotics and sex.
Espirit de Corps (or maybe Shivers) expains whats going on with her at the end of the game (different outcome wether you arrest, or leave her)
spoilers:
If arrested, She gets killed. exactly as she said she would get killed.
if let go, she walks away from her life and starts recovering from the addiction while heading far south
@@jbeast3385not to mention she ruined her boyfriends life. While harry's life was ruined by his girlfriend
"a bit"
at lmao
She’s not well written at all. I would say I have the exact opposite of your opinion: little of her actually makes sense in the story, especially her calling the police
So after going through the game and Kim saying they should probably should have arrested her multiple times.
I still believe that it was better not to considering she'd just die in jail. She didn't have a good excuse as to who killed Lely. So she just started shifting the blame to Ruby out of fear I guess.
Ultimately it was her convincing us it was Ruby, the Hardies agreeing it could be Ruby, and Ruby's role in the drug trade that even sent her down to the R&D department that influenced us to prioritize her over the other suspected sniper locations that you consider.
In my playthrough I pretty much completed all the quests and for the life of me could not find the other two locations. So I ended up moving on to locating Ruby. Which locks the game into the Tribunal and of course that progresses to the end game state
It sucks that she literally threw everyone under the bus and someone always dies, but the only real way to punish her for it is to pretty much kill her yourself by arresting her.
Last point: I think it's safe to assume she had an idea that the shot mat have came from the island (The deserter says as much when he brings up she stared right back at him through his scope) but it seemed to farfetched of an idea to really bring up, and only really came to her suddenly before the Tribunal occurred.
Yeah, arresting her doesn't influence the gameplay in any meaningful way. I assume the choice is there as a moral choice for the player or for whatever morality the player wants to project onto Harry in a given playthrough
@@likopinina6803 i feel like klassje was ultimate npc as no one was able to "play" her. While Harry and desserter could see through her, but former couldnt crack her to the end while latter still got infatuated
@@likopinina6803 y'know I think that's Disco Elysium in a nutshell. "Doesn't affect the game in a meaningful way." And I think that's a credit to it. You're just one cop, working for 7 days to solve a murder. You can't avoid the Tribunal from happening, you can't avoid the death of the middle class drunk, you can't avoid the Sniper's disease from corroding his nervous system. But you can save a life or two. You can change how people face these events. You can stand up to what is right, knowing that you can't succeed 100%, but still doing it because it's what's right. You can still have hope that, even if you didn't change things at a macro scale, doing what is right was important. It may not have changed things, but it mattered that it was attempted.
You’re compromised
Fact: if shes arrested she will die
Fact: By lying to the authorities and manipulating the Hardie Boys she has conciously put in motion events that will have dire consequences for a lot of innocent people making her a menace to soceity.
And then you need to choose which ones worse this game is a masterpiece
People keep saying she'll die if you arrest her. Why?
@@KainRazielMTIt's a Shivers check
@@KainRazielMT with high enough shivers you get a blurb along the lines of her waiting in a jail for her execution.
I didn't even consider how much she was lying to Harry during the investigation, I just knew that by sending her to prison I was probably sending her to a worse fate, and totally took the bullet in believing she was lying for self-defence. It wasn't until a few days after finishing the game that I realized that she is complicit in just about everything to do with the case.
@@TheHKY09 She basically guaranteed that some Hardie boys would die.
12:26 that one interruption of Logic stopped me from arresting and just give her the citation, for I didn't want to lose more time. This was Day 5-6 for me, one of the characters had died from old age so I was assuming bad stuff would happen if I waited just another day in solving the case.
I struggled with arresting Klaasje more than any other morally fucked up decision in the game. I have an ex who's almost exactly her, and I feel like punishing this videogame character for what my ex did would make me no better than Harry and his countless woman issues.
That must've been a tough moment. DE is awfully good at presenting players with relatable characters
The dreaded *ex something*
[*Drama*] your strong sire, stay like that
Cringe.
The communard and fascist trees were very relatable, (mainly former since latter mischaracterizes a lot of people), about idealism being a failure and you despite all the thinking, built only 0.000001% of utopia.
Hit me like a sack of bricks.
I am glad I confused her with Ruby. The truck driver said that the woman responsible for drug trade would kill herself if arrested, and for whatever reason I had Klaasje in mind. My confusion saved her life.
Both would die in jail anyway so you weren't too far off
Didnt notice or remember that truck driver says that despite exhausting all checks, interesting. She shot herself, crazy bitches ded 💀
@@likopinina6803 I do appreciate that the game takes the line that arresting people is generally the wrong thing to do if you care about their health and wellbeing. Very true to life.
I may not be able to save the Hardie Boys, but I can make sure Klassje joins them real soon. Putting the Hardy Boys and the rest of the community before a drunken firing squad is unforgivable.
(And guess who’s “mysteriously missing” after the tribunal if you don’t arrest her? She doesn’t even stick around to comfort the surviving Hardy Boys…)
These lot are all compromised by anti-capital ideology. 'muh evil corpos, man". Fuck em all. She's evil, the mercs are evil, Joyce is evil, the deserters evil, corpos are evil, our fight with the demiurge continues ever onward...
i feel you. i also got ruby killed on my first try so when the tribunal happened and shes gone…i was like f this girl
I really regretted not arresting her but it seems this decision doesn’t have a big impact after all…?
The impact is that you get a comment from Titus about it and you don't get the red string clue. So yeah, not much
Spoiler alert 🚨🚨🚨
If u arrest her she dies in custody. Murdered by corrupt cops.
U know about it, if u have high shivers.
@@youdontknowme2913 oh damn then I’m so happy I didn’t do this 🙏🏻🙏🏻 thanks!
If you don't arrest her she gives you that hint by tying rope to signify bullet trajectory to help solve the crime. Plus not like she did the murder so not much point in arresting her anyway.
@@youdontknowme2913 Corrupt cops? No, the coalition and the moralintern discover her, put her to judge and most likely execute her due to her crimes.
Cant sneak a lie past harry enjoy prision wöman
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To be honest I didn't arrest her just because I thought she still had information left to share. I was doing so well with my - good cop- role but became pissed after the third time she had me running all over revachol. F her ( awesome character tho)
You got played
I didn’t arrest her during my first run, and this conversation didn’t really make much of an impression on me. I completely missed the Ruby/Klaasje romance hints. Then Ruby died, and Klaasje skipped town.
On my second run I read this again and was just flabbergasted that she decided to throw Ruby under the bus like that, *knowing* that if Ruby is caught it won’t probably end well for her, either. Klaasje is so fascinating. I was so mad during my first run, now I’m just fascinated. What a deranged, impactful character. The whole plot revolves around her manipulating the entirety of Martinaise.
"Passport and visa" *WINDOWS 10 ERROR SOUND*
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I straight send her to the Union on my other run.
Though that picking the thurd option would let me arrest her later but I went back and I didnt get the option
I figured it out on day 2 on my first playthrough. Mercenary was shot, fatally, her window is fixed, she most likely got the hardie boys to take the bullet for her, she then told them to hoist him up on that tree, they're taking the bullet for her BECAUSE she runs the local d#*g trade (one of the foot soles is worn out, for the 8th hardie boy which is klassje, there's sandpaper in the lorry filled with narcotics), and probably much more, now she's saying that she wasn't assaulted by him, hardie boys thought that someone might have used the dead mercenary as target practice, klassje thinks the hardie boys shot him, which makes no sense since they said that they whacked him when he grabbed Klassje during Karaoke, hardie tells me to not ask her police questions but questions about the assault, she sensed that the police came hence why window got fixed, she is now saying that no assault happened probably as a way to divert the blame onto the hardie boys since if he didn't assault her during karaoke that means that they just violently attacked him for no reason, IT'S SO OBVIOUSLY HER WHY CAN'T I ARREST HER GAME, there might as well be video footage of her shooting him.
They most likely did it for either his armor or for political motives. The story told by the 7 hardie boys is vastly different than the one told by the 8th hardie boy (Klassje). And then there's the things that she didn't tell us like the bullet.
My guess is that she actually threw the gun away after she called the police, if she didn't muffle her voice she would've put more suspicion on herself, the only thing that doesn't add up is that Klassje called the police.
For some reason the game isn't letting me arrest Klassje or even search her room. IT'S SO OBVIOUSLY HER. I don't know the lore so maybe there's an actual reason she did this.
Okay the game literally explains most of what I've theorized like 5 minutes later.
You can go even one step further with Katarzine Alasije and turn her in all the way up to the Moralists.
Becareful with this logic guy.
Klaasje deserves to be arrested.
You're just helping some megacorporation tie up loose ends and absolve itself of culpability for what she did if you arrest her.
@@frankfrankfrankfrankfrank That doesn't mean she doesn't deserve a sentencing. What the corporations do is evil too.
@@frankfrankfrankfrankfrank gotta be doing your part helping out the ultraliberal hustler brotherhood. getting rich means sacrifice
@@zero-nh3rj Then you know. That the bourgeois are not human.
Corruption is the fly in the ointment of all ideology.... The demiurge roosts, laughing all the whole ...
FUCKING MIND GAMES, ENOUGH!
What a clown, even faces arrest still lies about Ruby
god i didnt even have to look it up it sent me here
You mean youtube recommended this?
I just arrested her, just didn't care enough to solve her bullshit puzzles and problems, her life means nothing to me, but anyway this dialog with her on the roof is the peak point of the game in terms of game mechanics, it really felt like literature dialog, remind me a scene of interrogation in dostoevsky's crime and punishment a bit
Don't ever become a cop
>I just arrested her, just didn't care enough to solve her bullshit puzzles and problems, her life means nothing to me
and
>this dialog with her on the roof is the peak point of the game in terms of game mechanics, it really felt like literature dialog
pick one.
@@DDDloki why, that was top dialog with a character i don't really empathize
"didn't care enough to solve her bullshit puzzles and problems, her life means nothing to me"
𝐄𝐌𝐏𝐀𝐓𝐇𝐘 [𝐓𝐫𝐢𝐯𝐢𝐚𝐥: 𝐅𝐚𝐢𝐥𝐮𝐫𝐞]
why would you play the game, where you dont even read the text? Go play fortnite instead
I forgot that you CAN arrest her lol