Thank you for mentioning that software to check for driver health, it reminded me to buy another HDD to make a third backup of family photos and all that important stuff.
Molex normally are connected like: Red +5V Black Gnd Black Gnd Yellow +12v Just for your information Because most fans are running at 12v the cable is connected to yellow(+12V) and black(Gnd)
Hello my friend. Greetings from united states, love your project. I too am doing similar with trayless hot swaps and I also will attempt to create a dvd ripper from a duplicator tower.
Sff stands for small form factor, the full cable is the connection that goes into your hard drive, not the one that goes into your raid card, that is sff
An interesting vid, as usual Morton. Im trying to construct a DIY NAS/DAS myself atm. Im using HP DL 380 G8 Drive cages and backplanes to do this. However, when making a cable to power the backplanes. I let out the magic smoke out from the backplane. I think I may have put 12v through a 3.3 or 5v chip on the backplane. If you still have access to the DL380 G8 in your server stash. Would it be possible for you to wield a multimeter, to find the pinout for both ends of the power cables. It could make a decent video for anyone else trying to reuse G8 drive cages.
Hi Morten, very interested in this little project, that HBA that "failed" was in a PCI Riser card thingy, you didn't show how this was connected, I wonder if that is the problem with the "dead" HBA. Would that riser setup be capable of the full speed of the HBA that died ?? I have found some of these expanders (with all the needed cables) on eBay, and it's one of the few that have the molex power plug, so it can be remote from a motherboard :) There doesn't seem to many with the molex power option. Good luck.
The reason the HBA gets so warm is because it actually has two controllers and a PCIe switch, to be able to provide 4 ports (= 16 drives) instead of 2 (= 8 drives) on a single card. All three use a fair bit of power. It's essentially two cards in one and then some. Also it's SAS2308, which means it has a bit more IOPS that make sense with SSDs, but make literally zero sense with HDDs like you're using. You're way better off using the older SAS2008 card that you swapped to, that one provides you 8 drives * 600 MB/s each = 4800 MB/s worth of throughput (or 2400 MB/s if you only use a single port). Your older HDDs probably max out at 100 MB/s anyway, and even the newer HDDs won't reach higher than 200MB/s for sure. Even with one port on the older card, you easily have enough performance to run 12 HDDs at their full speed - at sequential write (say, writing all zeros left to right). Realistically, you're never going to do that anyway, so you could easily fit more than 12 HDDs on a single port of the older card and not have any bottlenecks.
Morten do you also find it that the first port like on network/sas cards, is the furthest from the motherboard, not the closest, and i'm wondering if its standard or not
Its likely the controller died because you didn't have active airflow over it. THey are designed to be in servers with high airflow so sitting on top of the mini pc like that isn't going to give nearly enough cooling.
I actually love that case with the door.
Me too,,, and why I have held on to it in over 10 years :-)
I , too, managed to kill a drive by screwing into the side of it inside a 5.25" enclosure!
Go team!
Thank you for the enjoyable video(s)
Hi @mpxz999
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
Thank you for mentioning that software to check for driver health, it reminded me to buy another HDD to make a third backup of family photos and all that important stuff.
Use crap disks for an extra copy..
Molex normally are connected like:
Red +5V
Black Gnd
Black Gnd
Yellow +12v
Just for your information
Because most fans are running at 12v the cable is connected to yellow(+12V) and black(Gnd)
Ahh that is right,, I need to connect the fan to red and yellow to get 7volt and a quite fan.
Awesome job.
Thank you! Cheers!
Hello my friend. Greetings from united states, love your project. I too am doing similar with trayless hot swaps and I also will attempt to create a dvd ripper from a duplicator tower.
Good luck!
By doing this on my R730 it now supports 46 drives!
It supports a lot more than 46 drives :-)
These IBM drives are similar to a 3TB drive that seized up on me and I had a lot of photographs and C++ projects.
You do need a lot of C++ projects to fill up a 3TB :-)
DUI = Driving under influence
DIY = Do It Yourself ;)
Nice video Morten... as usual! :)
Well I do not drink enough for that to be a problem. :-)
I suggest a name for this DAS : "Sin no logic" 🥰
He He good joke..
A minutes silence for the sas controller and the hard drives 😂
That thing was expensive,, and I do not like to waste money :-/
@@MyPlayHouse not sure how expensive. Perhaps worth getting a local phone shop replace the BGA controller chip, assume it’s heat damaged.
Have you tried using one of those storage adapters in a DAA78L+32GB of DDR3 RAM+A10-7850k and whatever PSUs you have.
No I have not.. :-)
Sff stands for small form factor, the full cable is the connection that goes into your hard drive, not the one that goes into your raid card, that is sff
Hi @leonardotoschi585
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
An interesting vid, as usual Morton.
Im trying to construct a DIY NAS/DAS myself atm. Im using HP DL 380 G8 Drive cages and backplanes to do this. However, when making a cable to power the backplanes. I let out the magic smoke out from the backplane. I think I may have put 12v through a 3.3 or 5v chip on the backplane.
If you still have access to the DL380 G8 in your server stash. Would it be possible for you to wield a multimeter, to find the pinout for both ends of the power cables. It could make a decent video for anyone else trying to reuse G8 drive cages.
maybe this can help : forums.servethehome.com/index.php?threads/converting-an-hp-dl380e-gen8-14xlff-server-to-a-disk-shelf.29584/
10:19 I told you SO! Hihihihihihi 😂
Sorry, Morten, I was soooo long waiting for this 😉
hh dang it,, you were right :-)
@Morten, fun must be - but in summary nice work👍🏻
Hi Morten, very interested in this little project, that HBA that "failed" was in a PCI Riser card thingy, you didn't show how this was connected, I wonder if that is the problem with the "dead" HBA.
Would that riser setup be capable of the full speed of the HBA that died ??
I have found some of these expanders (with all the needed cables) on eBay, and it's one of the few that have the molex power plug, so it can be remote from a motherboard :)
There doesn't seem to many with the molex power option.
Good luck.
The LSI 9206-16e Quad Port 6Gb/s SAS HBA 16 Ext Port died :-(
The reason the HBA gets so warm is because it actually has two controllers and a PCIe switch, to be able to provide 4 ports (= 16 drives) instead of 2 (= 8 drives) on a single card. All three use a fair bit of power. It's essentially two cards in one and then some.
Also it's SAS2308, which means it has a bit more IOPS that make sense with SSDs, but make literally zero sense with HDDs like you're using. You're way better off using the older SAS2008 card that you swapped to, that one provides you 8 drives * 600 MB/s each = 4800 MB/s worth of throughput (or 2400 MB/s if you only use a single port). Your older HDDs probably max out at 100 MB/s anyway, and even the newer HDDs won't reach higher than 200MB/s for sure. Even with one port on the older card, you easily have enough performance to run 12 HDDs at their full speed - at sequential write (say, writing all zeros left to right). Realistically, you're never going to do that anyway, so you could easily fit more than 12 HDDs on a single port of the older card and not have any bottlenecks.
Hi @QrchackOfficial
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
I've only been using SFF-8087 but it seems that SFF-8643 is more popular
They are used for 12Gbit,, so over time they will be,, as that equipment becomes available.
Should the PCIE connection on that adapter board connect to somewhere of the motherboard.
It connects to a PCIe x1 port,, mini PCIe port in the tiny PC
👍👍
Only 2 thumbs up,,, back in the day I got more,, I am sure...
Morten do you also find it that the first port like on network/sas cards, is the furthest from the motherboard, not the closest, and i'm wondering if its standard or not
I have not found a standdart of that yet :-/
in regards to windows 7, I miss the settings being right there instead of a facade that doesn't always reflect the actual settings of things.......
I had trouble finding the different settings,, been to long.
Also i wouldn't be using that ancient psu, potential of burning both the lenovo and the hdds is so high
I do not think that is the much of a dangura of that... 1997 and this sort of hardware, was build to a very standart.
Sff 864 🌲
Hi @leonardotoschi585
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
Its likely the controller died because you didn't have active airflow over it. THey are designed to be in servers with high airflow so sitting on top of the mini pc like that isn't going to give nearly enough cooling.
I know this because I learned this the hard way as well :(
Also the 4x2.5 dock should have had extra short screws for mounting it
Really bad design, if it burns it self down..
@@MyPlayHouse Yes and no... its designed for a certain usage case. If you do not follow that use case is it bad design or just improper usage?
Yellow on molex is 12V
Hi @mister_magister3798
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
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Hi @leo_craft1
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
Can you please tell what is the card that died?
LSI 9206-16e Quad Port 6Gb/s SAS HBA 16 Ext Port :-(
@@MyPlayHouse ok
hw raid is dead anyways - if you had a working array and it died you would be in even worse shape #magic smoke
Not true,, if a hardware accelerated raid controller dies,, data can do connected to an HBA and copied out.
@@MyPlayHouse generally speaking sw raid is better - hw raid brings problems