Also, I had to turn on the subtites and mute the sound every time you were in the server room. 2-seconds per video is more than enough to remind old hats what those rooms sound like, and to initiate newbies, but having long (or short) conversations in that room really adds no dramatic effect or anything positive at all, and everything it brings is negative beyond the initial images (which are nothing interesting) of the front of a couple of new servers.
Can someone translate this to gamer language, please? Also, this is very annoyingly noisy, don't they know that 2x240mm fans are quieter than 10x50mm from 1978???🤣
I remember when Intel said "We don't glue CPUs together". I also remember when Intel said "Desktop users won't need 64-bit systems" Intel, stop limiting innovation just because AMD did it first. Get there first and if you cannibalize your own products, it's better that Intel do it than your competition.
Intel is still limiting ECC support while AMD allows it on most skus. It's getting so bad the RAM consortium had to add on-die ECC to the chips, but Intel isn't budging
I will stop myself from ranting for hours on how IP rights centralizes the market, turns investment into gatekeepers that are tied to the monopolies running the market, all of which kills innovation and creativity... Before the information age IP rights did not flood the market and courts with so much information it could haphazardly manage, but with things like the DMCA and lawfare and the courts ignoring law and fact... IP rights is just shackles and chains on trade and creativity... Skill drives interest, not IP, but when you have an artificial market ran by highwaymen, worker and creator skill are discarded with consumers, as all you need is the appearance of market impact to make money... damnit I ranted for hours again...
To be fair I think the way Intel glued them is superior, the fact that they can join every single tile so close together is pretty impressive and I have no doubt it will be an advantage for a more stable and lower power fabric than AMD's solution.
“There’s an adult in the room.” 😂 Bud I work infrastructure for a major automotive OEM and we’ve gone to Epyc as fast as we could, both for general x86 and AI/HPC. Even our laptops are on Zen now. The platform is very “adult,” I assure you. Demeaning the people who are taking your lunch money is not going to help you dig out of the hole.
That's Intel's internal "culture" of condescension and the feeling of self importance, kind of like a belief system. Made sense in the 70s when AMD was literally doing cheap knock off versions of Intel chips, but it remained ingrained as a sort of cargo cult even when it stopped making any sense whatsoever
@@rawhide_kobayashi memory bandwidth in itself is not the only factor. looking at ipc or total multicore performance alongwith bandwidth is what most are looking for. As an example my department went with epyc due to more available lanes so we can plug in more stuff instead of having the most memory bandwidth. Some specific use cases might benefit from memory bandwidth as well, but eventually we look at a complete picture of: core count, speed, ipc, cache, latency, max memory, max pcie lanes etc. so far when it comes to expandability of platform intel lost it for us.
he looks out of touch, but in fairness I've seen the intel people and their divisions are way too far apart. The server guys have no real understanding on the hate intel is (correctly) receiving. The server (Xeon) division had no slip ups of recent. No bugs on the xeons afaik.
That is so typical for marketing departament of any company that already have huge customer base and dont have to find new ones, there is saying in Polish "pride always walks with a confident step before a fall", Some people think, that being confident, acting like someone you want to become will automatically make reality to fit into your expectations. Its truth to some extend, some scenarios but most of time its the opposite. Intel should play underdog now not the dominant.
Intel don't care about desktop. It's clear AMD is winning that and will gain even more share in the next 10 years. Intel is focusing on making CPUs for clusters/servers that have chunky GPU/AI cards in them. That's why that intel guy kept saying 'everything around the cpu". The cpu they know is a small part of a server these days. Even just having more ram in a system can be more important than just raw cpu power.
@@skilletpan5674 Intel has also been slowly loosing market share in servers. Theyre still ahead by a big margin, but losing shares isnt exactly something to be proud of.
yeah i cringed at that comment from him about the adult in the room. watching them fumble over and over till they got here and now they are the adult in the room lol, just shut up intel, you dont get any respect from me.
The best thing about Xeons is they become obsolete for data farm use and hit the used market for favorable prices. I just dropped an E5-2699 v3 into my X99 board. Sure it's old, and it's not clocked very high, and it's pretty well locked, but it's a hoot seeing those 18 cores churning away -- for under $50!
Amen to that, I'm DYING for some LGA3647 motherboards to drop in price a bit, there are plenty of Xeon Gold 20+ core CPUs for around 20-30 dollars already, but no cheap boards yet
@@ezforsaken The boards will always be in shorter supply because they tend to fail at a way higher rate than the CPUs. Double that issue if a board carries over two generations of CPUs.
@@rangersmith4652 of course, but there are always asian board wizards that will steal parts from dead boards and create weird but functional cheap motherboards (like the Machinist X99 board I own)
@@ezforsaken The problem with that is that LGA 3647 can't just use generic intel coolers. If someone manufactured such aftermarket motherboards, they would also have to supply standalone, active heatsinks at a similarly low, low price. Plus it's overall more difficult/expensive to manufacture boards with larger sockets and more pins, especially given the mounting mechanism that LGA 3647 uses. I mean I'm not saying it's never going to happen... But I am saying I wouldn't bet on it. Especially with the abundance of much, much faster for desktop use, easier to use, lower power draw, zen 1/2 and skylake era intel cpus...
"Oh! There's an adult in the room." I see. That explains how Intel got drunk and broke 13th gen. Really, you'd think we would be past horrible statements like that, but alas...
The intel divisions are really far apart; these are the server guys and don't really have a clue on what's the public opinion on Intel for the 13th and 14th gen chips. Vmin Shift Instability doesn't exist in Xeons; they are just trying to battle Epyc and the Arm offerings. He did sound like a smug prick but if you have ever talked to an Intel spokesperson before you'd know they know nothing besides their own line up on the server space.
Intel guy be speaking bee ess marketing. "less cores are better because more cores aren't always used." Capacity Management consultants exist so ensure spend is efficient and matches usage. Programmers manage distribution of load. Idle cores means the buyers or programmers haven't done their job properly, not that a narrower CPU somehow don't have a problem a wider CPU does. Being forced to optimise for two different styles of uarchs (narrower faster P or wider slower E) with different feature sets and accelerators, IS a problem.
"OK. There's an adult in the room". My god what an obnoxious arrogant guy. I think you're supposed to have the "This video contains sponsored content" card enabled for this kind of thing. This was nothing but an ad.
From my perspective Intel is still just as arrogant as they have always been. Imagine your company has not made anything truly competitive in 10 years and your stock is tanking, you are preparing to sell off some portion of your assets to your competitors yet the best that you can say is that you are the adult in the room. Honestly there seems to be no hope for Intel at all.
Intel in a nutshell. I think that to work there it's a prerequisite to be arrogant asf. Doesn't really matter if you can deliver or not, it's the the amount of arrogance that counts.
This is Intel’s _third_ generation of A “tiled architecture” (what they are calling their multi-chip technique and technology), with the first being Intel Sapphire Rapids (Intel Xeon Scalable 4th Gen) and is probably at least half of why that CPU was so famously delayed.
Server farm halls I've worked in had ear protection dispensers by the doors. The regular staff always used them, the Young Immortals working contract shifts didn't.
This video looks to me historic. It's like Intel had been a company that existed once that made the best computing chips in the world. That server room noise adds an "archive" feeling to it.
@@DJDocsVideos Itanium was DOA, a complete flop. Oh Yes, I'm just trying to be nice so that Intel funboys don't get ruffled up too much. My kind has been called AMD funboys after the failure of Bulldozer, but AMD owned it up completely and offered Piledriver FX-8350 at sub $200 levels after months after launch. It was a total steal.
this ezforsaken guy must be the intern(or from this marketingg department that invited wendell for the tour) trying to do damage control for intel because i ve seen him commenting everywhere below... try use different profile next time. its too obvious.
It is brutal trying to listen to the information on this video while those server fans are blaring. There’s a reason why folks in the field don’t discuss the performance properties of servers and plan their deployments while they are INSIDE the server rooms.
Why is he shit talking the competition which literally everyone is embarrassing them? This guy’s cringe is exactly why Intel is in the situation they are today.
To the adult in the room: Why are the top 10 cpus on Amazon AMD? Why is AMD stealing market share in the server space? Why is Intel's stock price in the Skibidi toilet?
Businesses aren't buying their CPUs from Amazon. AMD are stealing market because their CPUs are good. There are many reasons for Intel's doom stock price. Pat being one of them.
Maybe you didn't listen, He said gaming PC's are a rounding error on Intel's earnings. They make the vast majority of their money on Compute sales, not your PC. AMD makes good chips, buy them but intel will blow them out in High end Compute.
1:26 This is all the explanation we need for Zen5. It is funny that Intel would historically pump billions of dollars into maintaining dominance in the laptop market, I guess they did it just for the entertainment value.
@@abavariannormiepleb9470 Can't outrun your spoon. Exercise is good for the heart and circulatory system but you have to eat right to actually be healthy.
@@CyberneticArgumentCreatorConsidering that Wendell has been permanently blacklisted in the tick hosts file from eating any mammalian meat or milk for the remainder of his life, he doesn't have too far to run when it comes to outrunning his spoon. No seriously, look at any video from Wendell from before the bite, a year after, and now, and notice that he went on a forced turbo crash diet as he adjusted. Losing a tremendous amount of weight without increasing any sort of exercise is *not* a pretty look.
I get what's being said about the entire ecosystem being important to the overall experience, but it seriously appears intel is trying to compensate for their underperforming raw compute by propping it up with other parts of the platform, such as accelerators. AMD isn't lacking in their platform, see massive PCIe bandwidth which is good for storage or networking, while also offering leadership compute on the CPU.
@@keyboard_g if you're running a bunch of servers that scale up and down sas applications you have no need for AVX512. Why make the customer pay for die area they will never need? It's fine. Different markets have different needs. It is a pain for Intel to manage such different skus in the data center market though
At 9.40 proceeds to show a plethora of benchmarks that show EPYC CPU’s repeatedly trouncing latest Xeon, whilst stating these are the best and most important processors that Intel have made in 10 years 😅
@ I didn’t claim they were, but it’s ironic that the narration and the video are quite so disparate. Also a bit odd that the 64 core EPYC sku is repeatedly highlighted - as if to ask the viewer to look at that result, rather than the the other 4 or 5 SKU’s that are far returning far higher results.
Just wait till you see my FluidX3D on Xeon 6 demo at SC24! Those 24 memory channels with 24x 256GB MRDIMMs at 8800MT/s is absolutely nuts. That is 6TB RAM at 1.7TB/s, perfect for gigantic computational fluid dynamics simulations and other HPC applications which are pretty much all bandwidth-bound.
I mean, it's not false... We've been watching generation after generation of EPYC get released and wondering when Intel would finally start trying to catch up.
Thank you for bringing the larger picture of enterprise and AI economics into the discussion. I feel as if 'Desktop Mindshare' is probably weighted by the community too heavily. Don't get me wrong - I wouldn't buy Arrow Lake Desktop at half the price(probably), but it's cool to see the other side.
Intel missed the Ai boat...the market isnt waiting for them, there is already and adult in the room, and a teenager catching up quick. Intel is an infant in this room. if they can catch up great, but the market isnt waiting for Intel to catch up, thats a very silly take.
I get that only cores matter is nonsense, but going to opposite is just as nonsense. All of it matters and you tend to argue this doesn't matter when you cannot deliver. True not all users would need it, but arguing Google doesn't want more cores is just loser talk.
@Level1Techs Wendel, Ryan, Krista, whoever is reading comments, honest question. Are Intel actually as tone deaf as this guy makes them seem? Because if so, sheesh, they can *not* read the room. Wowzers
@@abavariannormiepleb9470The thing I don't like about STH is they don't actually tell me about serving the home. 64 port 800gb/s Ethernet switch. Even Zuckerberg doesn't need that for his home network. Still a good channel just wish they'd left the name free for home stuff.
Sooo they finally Got A CPU with as many cores as an AMD cpu, just with insane power draw and that´s good why ? For that power draw you can get 192 Cores from AMD.
That’s hardly an insane power draw? 500 Watts / 128 Cores = less than 5 Watts per core, even less than that when you consider everything that isn’t a core that’s taking some power, like those dual IO dies for example. Compared to a 300 Watt 64 core server, that works out to … ~5 Watts per core, or more actually if you take 350 Watts. Also, aren’t AMD also selling 96 full fat non-c Core Epyc CPUs with a 500 Watt TDP, for an efficiency of … more than 5 watts per core. Compared to desktop CPUs 24 cores at 250 Watts = ~10 watts per core, 16 cores at 150 watts = ~10 watts per core, and if you wanna disingenuously disregard the efficiency cores, 250 watts / 8 performance cores = greater than 25 watts per core.
@@levygaming3133 Honestly thats comparing apples and oranges, comparing a high clock speed part to a high core count part is just being dishonest, they are meant for different things, but what I would say is that they are closing the gap between themselves and AMD, and anything that can take advantage of the accelerators built into Intel's parts it will be a no brainier to go Intel, so I dissagree with the OP and you, no it's not amazingly efficient, but it's also a massive improvement for Intel and in a lot of applications it makes Intel at least as viable as AMD and depending upon your workload one or the other will make the most sense which is super healthy. Wish the desktop/laptop market was in such a healthy position, this is great from my prospective and give me hope that maybe next generation Intel with be highly competitive with AMD in laptop and desktop.
@@Etheoma isn’t the clock speed on these intels comparable ish to the high clock speed AMD servers? Like 4.5GHz vs 4.8GHz for AMD? Unless you meant when I was comparing it to the desktop platforms, which was absolutely apples and oranges.
@@rudysmith1552 time slicing a single stupid fast core is easy and efficient. trying to get an application to take efficient advantage of lots of cores is a WAY harder problem. I would much rather have a 64 core cpu with double the single core performance of the cores in that 128 core cpu. there are also workloads that are just really difficult to parallelize that need to be done on a single thread.
Hi Wendell. I ran AMPS CFD (with IRONCAD) on a Ryzen 9 5950X to simulate airflow. I recently purchase a 9950x to see if things a lot better (IRONCAD runs smoother now) and explore SimWorks or stick to AMPS depending on the funds I can raise. Well I wish we can connect regards.
Wendel, dude. Please. We get it... servers are obnoxiously loud... WE GET IT... please stop recording half your videos with a screaming computer behind you... we really don't need to hear that to understand that you own computer hardware...
Really proud of my guys in packaging that the 4:48 shot is possible. Cores and blocks and accelerators are cool, but they don't do a whole lot without the glue team tacking it all together. I'm very excited by some of the current research going on in MCM packaging in different foundries right now. There's gonna be some weird chips in the near future.
So pardon this layman question: in the future when these CPUs and platforms will be "obsolete" for data centers and large mainframes or whatever, and start getting dumped onto ebay for cheap like with LGA20xx chips, will there be a reason to pick them up for consumer use? Or are they so specialized and high end that they're outside of what most consumers will ever need them for.
Understanding the absolute basics of the lifecycle of modern chip design, at best, this chip was 18 months ago and we're just seeing the results of that design effort being taped out, packaged, tested, refined, and now actually delivered. What does Intel have cooking currently and possibly in the works...? Only time will tell.
Perfectly encapsulates why Intel is falling behind AMD now. Not everyone in Intel has this mindset, true, but if people like Pat "AMD is on the rearview" Gelsinger, Intel Marketing "AMD Snake Oil" Team, and Ryan "Adult in the room" Tabrah keeps running Intel, even if they do make a better product than AMD, this company is still susceptible to crisis like this in the future. The arrogance within every sentence he speaks is ridiculous.
Xeon 6 seems like a compelling product to me in todays “AI” era. The make or break though is whether you can leverage Intels accelerators otherwise it loses. Based on managements comments about head node wins I think that’s starting to happen. Definitely a great time to be an enthusiast or in the industry!
Is that server mounted wrong, or is the rail system just weird? It looks like it's mounted one hole too high! Thanks for this video, I've been curious what people have been thinking for core/gpu ratios. IIRC I've seen 4-8 cores in my local systems as the latest, but I'm not sure where the sweet spot is as I can see plenty of workloads avoiding the overheads of shifting data to the GPU if there's CPU available (and avoiding the cost of GPUs with big amounts of VRAM...)
@Level1Techs where do you learn all this stuff! I want to set up my own rack for my own masochistic needs! I gotta figure out how to set up and use all this stuff and what I want to use it for 😬
So, is Intel Ryan the guy I have to thank for back in the day my Intel 320 600 GB SSDs suddenly losing all data and not being usable again until you performed a Secure Erase on them…? And no, it also happened during normal operation, not only during power cycle situations due to a faulty capacitor as was explained back then.
Did Intel pay for your trip? Do they give you free hardware to review and never ask for it back? Because what I'm hearing is a lot of rah-rah without explaining how their business model will work?
These are paid videos (as in wendell gets paid for going there and making a video about it), that's why it has the 'Includes paid promotion' on the thumbnail when you hover your mouse over it. There's nothing weird about it, Level1 has done a couple already, not only on intel but on Amd and nvidia as well. Recent one that comes to mind that has a similar fashion (basically showing off the selling points of the hardware maker) is the video shot for GTC24 (Showing off nvidia Blackwell). This type of content is extremely common on the Server space and this channel has always done this type of coverage. Mind you he is not saying this is the best CPU in the world, and he is not saying this is better than others, he is just explaining that the new work intel is doing on the server space is really interesting (which as a person from the server world i agree it is)
As described, this sounds like the new robust and future proof threshold. Xeon 6 + PCIe-oF + SSDs, yeah ! Now we just need a board with NO legacy crap (don't use it - don't want it ). So, I think with modest investment, and careful integration, a home-lab can have the tech power of enterprise. Composable, Scalable, let's build it !
So they create a messy standard for instruction set extensions, then clean it up (?), but stuff that's lower level than that, they drop the ball…… Like, chiplets are about economy of scale and flexibility in allocation, not just making larger chips
I managed to get to 3 and bit minutes in of this... haha I just had to stop there, love ya work man but Intel can stuff it... This is just too hard to watch.... Even if their new CPU's are incredible they are about as trustworthy as Boeing at this point...
At the speed everything around the CPU improved, like PCIe, RAM, storage i get it why they want to look confident. But don't be surprised by the speed at which the kids are running and how fast they will be when they "grow up". PCIe and DRAM on Gen 7 are publicly specified and available for chip makes. M.2 SSD's are quite often limited by the amount of PCIe lanes. Thats why Epic put so many into them, to feed the cores. But the most important thing will be efficiency. If they manage to get a lead there all of AI, media streming, etc will jump on, as power is the main resource they are burning.
Will server manufacturers fit brushless motors to there fans in the next iteration of carrot chasing. The human ear is 3-4 hundred thousand times as sensitive as the eye & should be appreciated accordingly. Bosch can do it in their washing machines why not server machines, with aero dynamics built into frames. Stop the Noise!
The worst part is a lot of rackable equipment with fans is always configured by default to have them run at their maximum possible speed which is in the 9000+rpm and makes this screaming from hell noise. When 99% of the time they don't need to be operating anywhere near that level of cooling at all. If its any kind of demo system or network equipment sometimes they don't even have any options to turn that sht down at all...
If that interview is indicative of the corporate culture that's festering at Intel, their decisions over the last few years make a lot more sense. Talking about "Adult in the Room" is just inappropriate arrogance.
I think you should look into wire-less laviler mic's. I am thinking something like Hollyland Lark M2 or similar. The look super easy to use. Some streamers use them for IRL streaming. The perform surprisingly well in loud environments. The might be others that dos it even better 🤷♂. But wire-less with a magnet mount and multiple mics, looks to me like something you could benefit a lot from.
@@ezforsakenI don’t think AMD can accrue the level of mindless fanboyism that Nvidia currently enjoys, but that doesn’t change the fact that AMD is a publicly-owned corporation whose first allegiance is to their shareholders, even before their own customers.
Is there any news on Xeon Max cpus ? I Would really like some 1TB HBM3E, 256 performance cores @ 6 GHz Xeon cpus…. When will they (cpu manufacturers) make cpus with ultra high frequencies? I’d rather have 32 cores @ 48 GHz per core, than 256 cores @ 6 GHz… maybe intel should develop something called: “core fusion”, whereby the user via the bios (or another method) can “fuse cores” together. this would result in fewer cores being addressed by the os, but at higher clock speeds per core. This would allow cpu intensive applications that aren’t able to address a lot of cpu cores run more efficiently. To simplify things, each reduction of cores would be at 50% (with a 256 core cpu, one can reduce the addressed core count by 50% to 128 cores, which would double the frequency per addressed core. this process can be performed all the way down to 2 cores. From 256 @ 6, to 128 @ 12, from/to 64 @ 24, from/to 32 @ 48, from/to 16 @ 96, from/to 8 @ 192, from/to 4 @ 384, from/to 2 @ 768…).
Best Xeon in 10 years - yup. But I'll be surprised if the prices match competitor Turin systems. We basically buy exclusively Dell servers and I have a few 96 core EPYC 9004 in use - but we haven't bought an Intel system in about 5 years other than a recent purchase of some low-end R360s with Xeon E-2468 (because Dell doesn't offer a Siena option, and I don't want to be buying Milan systems at this point - and besides, those are overlkill for some of the low-end systems we need).
Why level1tech reviews are consistently different to others?. He seems to be pretty happy with the latest chips, others say "intel is doomed", "AMD lied to us" and so on.
Most reviewers are either exclusively focused on gaming or split their focus between gaming and productivity. The chips in this video are really for neither of those things.
Because most reviewers are just basic game testers and don't go anywhere near what is being explained here. This channel cares more about the server and compute stuff rather than cyberpunk 2077 fps. Its a completely different layer of approach to reviews. GN and the other game reviewers are still better at informing normal consumer decisions as this channel is mostly for people into server and compute. There are also reviewers that focus on productivity which in general reviews intel fairly well as intel cpu just perform quite well in productivity tasks.
Because doom and gloom gets clicks and the ill-informed get stuck on "their" hardware and "their" card manufacturer without understanding the industry. I prefer the balance of say Steve/Paul's reporting and STH/Wendells reporting to come to an opinion somewhere in the middle. What gamers fail to realize is that they are not any of these companies bread and butter. If "gamers" stop buying Intel, Intel doesnt go out of business. If enterprises stop buying Intel (for server compute and day to day workstation ops), they die no matter how much gamers/end users pretend they matter. Same with team Red/Green/etc and any big tech hardware company that isnt covered in rgb puke.
Phoronix has had largely positive coverage of zen 5 and arrow lake as well. Consoooomers are just mad we aren't getting another 20%+ global gen over gen CPU-limited frametime uplift. Zen 5 and arrow lake... Are good, actually. If only arrow lake had avx512 and any kind of ecc support, motherboards with pcie bifurcation, and used those 48 pcie lanes for actual pcie slots instead of motherboards just spamming the hell out of nvme... it would make a great prosumer stepping stone between real consumer chips and threadripper these days... And if only zen 5 had a faster memory controller and more pcie lanes. Here's hoping am5 is a dead platform.
Industry partners are waiting for intel to get their crap together and actually build something that is stable and delivers good value for the cost they are demanding.
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Any chance you can reupload it with dulled fan noise?
We get it. They're 9000db. Doesn't mean they have to be on this end of UA-cam.
This is a nice video, but I far prefer to hear from the technical guys rather than the marketing guy thank you.
Also, I had to turn on the subtites and mute the sound every time you were in the server room. 2-seconds per video is more than enough to remind old hats what those rooms sound like, and to initiate newbies, but having long (or short) conversations in that room really adds no dramatic effect or anything positive at all, and everything it brings is negative beyond the initial images (which are nothing interesting) of the front of a couple of new servers.
.. But can it run Crysis?
Can someone translate this to gamer language, please?
Also, this is very annoyingly noisy, don't they know that 2x240mm fans are quieter than 10x50mm from 1978???🤣
I remember when Intel said "We don't glue CPUs together".
I also remember when Intel said "Desktop users won't need 64-bit systems"
Intel, stop limiting innovation just because AMD did it first. Get there first and if you cannibalize your own products, it's better that Intel do it than your competition.
Of course Intel could have always sped up tech releases. They chose to stretch it as long and far as they could for the $$$.
Intel's been gluing dies together since the PPro
Intel is still limiting ECC support while AMD allows it on most skus. It's getting so bad the RAM consortium had to add on-die ECC to the chips, but Intel isn't budging
I will stop myself from ranting for hours on how IP rights centralizes the market, turns investment into gatekeepers that are tied to the monopolies running the market, all of which kills innovation and creativity...
Before the information age IP rights did not flood the market and courts with so much information it could haphazardly manage, but with things like the DMCA and lawfare and the courts ignoring law and fact... IP rights is just shackles and chains on trade and creativity...
Skill drives interest, not IP, but when you have an artificial market ran by highwaymen, worker and creator skill are discarded with consumers, as all you need is the appearance of market impact to make money...
damnit I ranted for hours again...
To be fair I think the way Intel glued them is superior, the fact that they can join every single tile so close together is pretty impressive and I have no doubt it will be an advantage for a more stable and lower power fabric than AMD's solution.
“There’s an adult in the room.” 😂 Bud I work infrastructure for a major automotive OEM and we’ve gone to Epyc as fast as we could, both for general x86 and AI/HPC. Even our laptops are on Zen now. The platform is very “adult,” I assure you. Demeaning the people who are taking your lunch money is not going to help you dig out of the hole.
That's Intel's internal "culture" of condescension and the feeling of self importance, kind of like a belief system.
Made sense in the 70s when AMD was literally doing cheap knock off versions of Intel chips, but it remained ingrained as a sort of cargo cult even when it stopped making any sense whatsoever
It's shocking how they can continue to be so tone deaf.
I mean, they're not wrong, though. AMD platforms in general do not offer the memory bandwidth that intel does. That's a fact.
yeah that moment sealed the deal for me, I am going to drink my coffee to something else
@@rawhide_kobayashi memory bandwidth in itself is not the only factor. looking at ipc or total multicore performance alongwith bandwidth is what most are looking for. As an example my department went with epyc due to more available lanes so we can plug in more stuff instead of having the most memory bandwidth. Some specific use cases might benefit from memory bandwidth as well, but eventually we look at a complete picture of: core count, speed, ipc, cache, latency, max memory, max pcie lanes etc. so far when it comes to expandability of platform intel lost it for us.
that intel guy is far to arrogant for the shitshow intel delivered lately
he looks out of touch, but in fairness I've seen the intel people and their divisions are way too far apart. The server guys have no real understanding on the hate intel is (correctly) receiving. The server (Xeon) division had no slip ups of recent. No bugs on the xeons afaik.
Intel keeps his wallet fat to make the company sound as good as possible.
That is so typical for marketing departament of any company that already have huge customer base and dont have to find new ones, there is saying in Polish "pride always walks with a confident step before a fall", Some people think, that being confident, acting like someone you want to become will automatically make reality to fit into your expectations. Its truth to some extend, some scenarios but most of time its the opposite. Intel should play underdog now not the dominant.
Intel don't care about desktop. It's clear AMD is winning that and will gain even more share in the next 10 years. Intel is focusing on making CPUs for clusters/servers that have chunky GPU/AI cards in them. That's why that intel guy kept saying 'everything around the cpu". The cpu they know is a small part of a server these days. Even just having more ram in a system can be more important than just raw cpu power.
@@skilletpan5674 Intel has also been slowly loosing market share in servers. Theyre still ahead by a big margin, but losing shares isnt exactly something to be proud of.
Ok, but that adult keeps dropping the ball
the adult keeps torching himself to death
Was looking for someone to comment on this
I thought that comment was a bit childish, rather ironically.
yeah i cringed at that comment from him about the adult in the room. watching them fumble over and over till they got here and now they are the adult in the room lol, just shut up intel, you dont get any respect from me.
Forgive him he thinks he's a big deal now that he's hit puberty
The best thing about Xeons is they become obsolete for data farm use and hit the used market for favorable prices. I just dropped an E5-2699 v3 into my X99 board. Sure it's old, and it's not clocked very high, and it's pretty well locked, but it's a hoot seeing those 18 cores churning away -- for under $50!
Amen to that, I'm DYING for some LGA3647 motherboards to drop in price a bit, there are plenty of Xeon Gold 20+ core CPUs for around 20-30 dollars already, but no cheap boards yet
@@ezforsaken The boards will always be in shorter supply because they tend to fail at a way higher rate than the CPUs. Double that issue if a board carries over two generations of CPUs.
@@rangersmith4652 of course, but there are always asian board wizards that will steal parts from dead boards and create weird but functional cheap motherboards (like the Machinist X99 board I own)
must be nice warming the planet on cheap atomic energy...
@@ezforsaken The problem with that is that LGA 3647 can't just use generic intel coolers. If someone manufactured such aftermarket motherboards, they would also have to supply standalone, active heatsinks at a similarly low, low price. Plus it's overall more difficult/expensive to manufacture boards with larger sockets and more pins, especially given the mounting mechanism that LGA 3647 uses. I mean I'm not saying it's never going to happen... But I am saying I wouldn't bet on it. Especially with the abundance of much, much faster for desktop use, easier to use, lower power draw, zen 1/2 and skylake era intel cpus...
That guy at 4.5 minutes acting like every cpu designer in the world doesn't already know about having enough memory bandwidth to feed the cores.
but the exciting new development is that less cores is now better.
@@greebjWell this is true, as demonstrated by the R7 9800x3D vs Core 9 Ultra fewer cores actually look better
"Oh! There's an adult in the room." I see. That explains how Intel got drunk and broke 13th gen.
Really, you'd think we would be past horrible statements like that, but alas...
Toughen up, buttercup.
The intel divisions are really far apart; these are the server guys and don't really have a clue on what's the public opinion on Intel for the 13th and 14th gen chips. Vmin Shift Instability doesn't exist in Xeons; they are just trying to battle Epyc and the Arm offerings. He did sound like a smug prick but if you have ever talked to an Intel spokesperson before you'd know they know nothing besides their own line up on the server space.
Intel guy be speaking bee ess marketing. "less cores are better because more cores aren't always used." Capacity Management consultants exist so ensure spend is efficient and matches usage. Programmers manage distribution of load. Idle cores means the buyers or programmers haven't done their job properly, not that a narrower CPU somehow don't have a problem a wider CPU does. Being forced to optimise for two different styles of uarchs (narrower faster P or wider slower E) with different feature sets and accelerators, IS a problem.
"OK. There's an adult in the room". My god what an obnoxious arrogant guy.
I think you're supposed to have the "This video contains sponsored content" card enabled for this kind of thing. This was nothing but an ad.
Watch out, you’re going to be called a AMD fan boy for calling the most obvious ad ever an ad.
From my perspective Intel is still just as arrogant as they have always been. Imagine your company has not made anything truly competitive in 10 years and your stock is tanking, you are preparing to sell off some portion of your assets to your competitors yet the best that you can say is that you are the adult in the room. Honestly there seems to be no hope for Intel at all.
Gonna buy AMD just because of that
He certainly had a lot of marketing talk and not a lot of engineering talk.
Intel in a nutshell. I think that to work there it's a prerequisite to be arrogant asf. Doesn't really matter if you can deliver or not, it's the the amount of arrogance that counts.
I see glued together dies, was this ever mentioned in any press slides or public ?
This is Intel’s _third_ generation of A “tiled architecture” (what they are calling their multi-chip technique and technology), with the first being Intel Sapphire Rapids (Intel Xeon Scalable 4th Gen) and is probably at least half of why that CPU was so famously delayed.
When you film by the servers I fear for your hearing... and mine. LOL
Server farm halls I've worked in had ear protection dispensers by the doors. The regular staff always used them, the Young Immortals working contract shifts didn't.
@@auturgicflosculator2183 LOL
@@robertsneddon731 Once you lose it, it is gone. Hope they wise up! (or maybe AirPods or similar with noise cancellation)
@@sloanNYC Sorry, what did you say?
@@sloanNYC Airpods or similar are no substitute for ear protection. Thats not what noise cancellation is designed for
This video looks to me historic. It's like Intel had been a company that existed once that made the best computing chips in the world.
That server room noise adds an "archive" feeling to it.
" that made the best computing chips in the world" when was that back in the Itanium days? lol
@@DJDocsVideos Itanium was DOA, a complete flop.
Oh Yes, I'm just trying to be nice so that Intel funboys don't get ruffled up too much.
My kind has been called AMD funboys after the failure of Bulldozer, but AMD owned it up completely and offered Piledriver FX-8350 at sub $200 levels after months after launch. It was a total steal.
Actually, it makes perfect sense. Both of those things are inherently past-tense.🔥
Explaining complex information in a noisy room doesn't work.
Wendel, I have a lot of respect for you... But nothing can soften the crash landing of Intel we're witnessing in slow-mo. Gotta keep it real.
I mean there's no vshift in Xeons, the server division didn't do any screw ups.
this ezforsaken guy must be the intern(or from this marketingg department that invited wendell for the tour) trying to do damage control for intel because i ve seen him commenting everywhere below... try use different profile next time. its too obvious.
"ok there's an adult in the room" yeeaah sure grandpa, lets get you back to the bingo-club ok?
Grandpa's should not be underestimated. AMD wouldn't exist unless IBM needed a second source for the 8088. Competition is a good thing.
It is brutal trying to listen to the information on this video while those server fans are blaring. There’s a reason why folks in the field don’t discuss the performance properties of servers and plan their deployments while they are INSIDE the server rooms.
Why is he shit talking the competition which literally everyone is embarrassing them? This guy’s cringe is exactly why Intel is in the situation they are today.
The hubris and narcissism from Ryan really turned me off on the video.
To the adult in the room:
Why are the top 10 cpus on Amazon AMD?
Why is AMD stealing market share in the server space?
Why is Intel's stock price in the Skibidi toilet?
because intel messed up
also DIY PCs are irrelevant for these companies
All that I've been given
Is this pain that I've been living
They got me in the system
Why they gotta do me like that?
Businesses aren't buying their CPUs from Amazon.
AMD are stealing market because their CPUs are good.
There are many reasons for Intel's doom stock price. Pat being one of them.
The "Adult in the room" has alzheimers
Maybe you didn't listen, He said gaming PC's are a rounding error on Intel's earnings. They make the vast majority of their money on Compute sales, not your PC. AMD makes good chips, buy them but intel will blow them out in High end Compute.
1:26 This is all the explanation we need for Zen5.
It is funny that Intel would historically pump billions of dollars into maintaining dominance in the laptop market, I guess they did it just for the entertainment value.
windel looks physically much better.
I'm so happy, good job, not only on being a mad genuis, but also committed to their health
Get an elliptical trainer and keep a regular training schedule, it’s never too late to improve one’s health.
@@abavariannormiepleb9470 or get an rhino in your living room, you'll have to run everytime!
@@abavariannormiepleb9470 Can't outrun your spoon. Exercise is good for the heart and circulatory system but you have to eat right to actually be healthy.
if only Patrick from STH would follow suit! I want both these guys alive and well for LONG
@@CyberneticArgumentCreatorConsidering that Wendell has been permanently blacklisted in the tick hosts file from eating any mammalian meat or milk for the remainder of his life, he doesn't have too far to run when it comes to outrunning his spoon.
No seriously, look at any video from Wendell from before the bite, a year after, and now, and notice that he went on a forced turbo crash diet as he adjusted. Losing a tremendous amount of weight without increasing any sort of exercise is *not* a pretty look.
I get what's being said about the entire ecosystem being important to the overall experience, but it seriously appears intel is trying to compensate for their underperforming raw compute by propping it up with other parts of the platform, such as accelerators. AMD isn't lacking in their platform, see massive PCIe bandwidth which is good for storage or networking, while also offering leadership compute on the CPU.
So incredible that Intel fragmented the ISA by shipping skus with only P cores and others with only E cores with no AVX512.
@@keyboard_g if you're running a bunch of servers that scale up and down sas applications you have no need for AVX512. Why make the customer pay for die area they will never need? It's fine. Different markets have different needs. It is a pain for Intel to manage such different skus in the data center market though
Choice. You buy, what you need!
Anybody getting SPARC Niagara flashbacks?
the marketing speak from that guy made me want to vomit. I'm not sure the nuggets of useful info were worth it in this one...
Big IBM energy there (right before they slipped into irrelevancy)
Shame they don't still have optane
At 9.40 proceeds to show a plethora of benchmarks that show EPYC CPU’s repeatedly trouncing latest Xeon, whilst stating these are the best and most important processors that Intel have made in 10 years 😅
How are those mutually exclusive?
@ I didn’t claim they were, but it’s ironic that the narration and the video are quite so disparate. Also a bit odd that the 64 core EPYC sku is repeatedly highlighted - as if to ask the viewer to look at that result, rather than the the other 4 or 5 SKU’s that are far returning far higher results.
Just wait till you see my FluidX3D on Xeon 6 demo at SC24! Those 24 memory channels with 24x 256GB MRDIMMs at 8800MT/s is absolutely nuts. That is 6TB RAM at 1.7TB/s, perfect for gigantic computational fluid dynamics simulations and other HPC applications which are pretty much all bandwidth-bound.
“The industry has been waiting around for Intel to get into the game” AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
the BS is strong in this one. lol
hahaha, i misssed that, got to see it, where is it ?
I mean, it's not false... We've been watching generation after generation of EPYC get released and wondering when Intel would finally start trying to catch up.
Thank you for bringing the larger picture of enterprise and AI economics into the discussion. I feel as if 'Desktop Mindshare' is probably weighted by the community too heavily. Don't get me wrong - I wouldn't buy Arrow Lake Desktop at half the price(probably), but it's cool to see the other side.
You should start recording voice overs near that server rack. I was still able to hear like 5 minutes of the video without being in pain...
And a case of tinnitus
What I really want is the E3 series Xeon to return, like the 1241v3 I'm using right now.
It's hilarious how "the fastest and the best CPU Intel has done in ten years" is running in old basement very close to a sink for laundry.
Intel Labs! Although I think that was Wendel's basement at home.
@ that’s even more hilarious
Yeah that’s his 120 year old basement lol.
Intel missed the Ai boat...the market isnt waiting for them, there is already and adult in the room, and a teenager catching up quick. Intel is an infant in this room. if they can catch up great, but the market isnt waiting for Intel to catch up, thats a very silly take.
What is the performance to power vs Turin?
Looking down into the toliet, he could easily see that it was the best intel had delivered in 10 years.
There are many adults in the room.
I get that only cores matter is nonsense, but going to opposite is just as nonsense. All of it matters and you tend to argue this doesn't matter when you cannot deliver. True not all users would need it, but arguing Google doesn't want more cores is just loser talk.
totally not an advertisment
@Level1Techs
Wendel, Ryan, Krista, whoever is reading comments, honest question. Are Intel actually as tone deaf as this guy makes them seem? Because if so, sheesh, they can *not* read the room. Wowzers
"so now that we are no longer THAT company, its not good to have just one company making all the money"
HAHAH
but, you can not stand on the platform if it is in the cabinet, it folds out?
This and ServeTheHome are the content I trust the most for enterprise evaluations. Thanks, Wendell!
Partly agree, the thing about STH I don’t like is that they are in my opinion too positive, not offering enough constructive criticism.
ditto
@@abavariannormiepleb9470The thing I don't like about STH is they don't actually tell me about serving the home. 64 port 800gb/s Ethernet switch. Even Zuckerberg doesn't need that for his home network.
Still a good channel just wish they'd left the name free for home stuff.
2:58 I'll be sure to say hi to my mom next time I'm interviewed. 📝
at least by including that, wendell primed us for the rest of the maximum level facepalm from this guy
Sooo they finally Got A CPU with as many cores as an AMD cpu, just with insane power draw
and that´s good why ?
For that power draw you can get 192 Cores from AMD.
That’s hardly an insane power draw? 500 Watts / 128 Cores = less than 5 Watts per core, even less than that when you consider everything that isn’t a core that’s taking some power, like those dual IO dies for example.
Compared to a 300 Watt 64 core server, that works out to … ~5 Watts per core, or more actually if you take 350 Watts. Also, aren’t AMD also selling 96 full fat non-c Core Epyc CPUs with a 500 Watt TDP, for an efficiency of … more than 5 watts per core.
Compared to desktop CPUs 24 cores at 250 Watts = ~10 watts per core, 16 cores at 150 watts = ~10 watts per core, and if you wanna disingenuously disregard the efficiency cores, 250 watts / 8 performance cores = greater than 25 watts per core.
What application would require a single threaded performance higher than AMD in a 192 core application. So maybe exclusively research facilities.
@@levygaming3133 Honestly thats comparing apples and oranges, comparing a high clock speed part to a high core count part is just being dishonest, they are meant for different things, but what I would say is that they are closing the gap between themselves and AMD, and anything that can take advantage of the accelerators built into Intel's parts it will be a no brainier to go Intel, so I dissagree with the OP and you, no it's not amazingly efficient, but it's also a massive improvement for Intel and in a lot of applications it makes Intel at least as viable as AMD and depending upon your workload one or the other will make the most sense which is super healthy.
Wish the desktop/laptop market was in such a healthy position, this is great from my prospective and give me hope that maybe next generation Intel with be highly competitive with AMD in laptop and desktop.
@@Etheoma isn’t the clock speed on these intels comparable ish to the high clock speed AMD servers? Like 4.5GHz vs 4.8GHz for AMD? Unless you meant when I was comparing it to the desktop platforms, which was absolutely apples and oranges.
@@rudysmith1552 time slicing a single stupid fast core is easy and efficient. trying to get an application to take efficient advantage of lots of cores is a WAY harder problem. I would much rather have a 64 core cpu with double the single core performance of the cores in that 128 core cpu. there are also workloads that are just really difficult to parallelize that need to be done on a single thread.
Hi Wendell. I ran AMPS CFD (with IRONCAD) on a Ryzen 9 5950X to simulate airflow. I recently purchase a 9950x to see if things a lot better (IRONCAD runs smoother now) and explore SimWorks or stick to AMPS depending on the funds I can raise. Well I wish we can connect regards.
Wendel, dude. Please. We get it... servers are obnoxiously loud... WE GET IT... please stop recording half your videos with a screaming computer behind you... we really don't need to hear that to understand that you own computer hardware...
Security and Intel .... We all make Jokes about that.
Good luck to Intel, losing their monopoly really helps to become a better company.
Really proud of my guys in packaging that the 4:48 shot is possible. Cores and blocks and accelerators are cool, but they don't do a whole lot without the glue team tacking it all together. I'm very excited by some of the current research going on in MCM packaging in different foundries right now. There's gonna be some weird chips in the near future.
always happy to see competition
" we can't make lots of cores, so let's belittle the innovation of those who can". Intel propaganda
And it's today we learn that Intel is not going to make a follow-up to lunar lake.
Seems like amd still kicking there ass even if its price to performance or power to performance
Wait a minute... Is that a screenshot of the Gnome desktop as the background image on an unactivated Win11 install in the background?!!!
vfio builds :)
So pardon this layman question: in the future when these CPUs and platforms will be "obsolete" for data centers and large mainframes or whatever, and start getting dumped onto ebay for cheap like with LGA20xx chips, will there be a reason to pick them up for consumer use? Or are they so specialized and high end that they're outside of what most consumers will ever need them for.
or they have suicide vendor lock fuses "for securitah" so there is no trickledown onto the used market
wtf is the point of standing next to the pc
Compared to AMD's EPIC everything is relative...
Understanding the absolute basics of the lifecycle of modern chip design, at best, this chip was 18 months ago and we're just seeing the results of that design effort being taped out, packaged, tested, refined, and now actually delivered. What does Intel have cooking currently and possibly in the works...? Only time will tell.
Watching on an Xeon E5-2699 v4 CPU. Its still okay, right? Right?
is there going to be a follow up to the XEON 3500x series ?
Could you run y-cruncher in stress test mode on it? (linux)
Perfectly encapsulates why Intel is falling behind AMD now. Not everyone in Intel has this mindset, true, but if people like Pat "AMD is on the rearview" Gelsinger, Intel Marketing "AMD Snake Oil" Team, and Ryan "Adult in the room" Tabrah keeps running Intel, even if they do make a better product than AMD, this company is still susceptible to crisis like this in the future.
The arrogance within every sentence he speaks is ridiculous.
Xeon 6 seems like a compelling product to me in todays “AI” era. The make or break though is whether you can leverage Intels accelerators otherwise it loses. Based on managements comments about head node wins I think that’s starting to happen. Definitely a great time to be an enthusiast or in the industry!
Yea well too little too late AMD already made the cut for our current projects.
Is that server mounted wrong, or is the rail system just weird? It looks like it's mounted one hole too high!
Thanks for this video, I've been curious what people have been thinking for core/gpu ratios. IIRC I've seen 4-8 cores in my local systems as the latest, but I'm not sure where the sweet spot is as I can see plenty of workloads avoiding the overheads of shifting data to the GPU if there's CPU available (and avoiding the cost of GPUs with big amounts of VRAM...)
a Danny Devito benchmark is a lovely concept
@Level1Techs where do you learn all this stuff! I want to set up my own rack for my own masochistic needs! I gotta figure out how to set up and use all this stuff and what I want to use it for 😬
So, is Intel Ryan the guy I have to thank for back in the day my Intel 320 600 GB SSDs suddenly losing all data and not being usable again until you performed a Secure Erase on them…?
And no, it also happened during normal operation, not only during power cycle situations due to a faulty capacitor as was explained back then.
Did Intel pay for your trip? Do they give you free hardware to review and never ask for it back?
Because what I'm hearing is a lot of rah-rah without explaining how their business model will work?
These are paid videos (as in wendell gets paid for going there and making a video about it), that's why it has the 'Includes paid promotion' on the thumbnail when you hover your mouse over it.
There's nothing weird about it, Level1 has done a couple already, not only on intel but on Amd and nvidia as well. Recent one that comes to mind that has a similar fashion (basically showing off the selling points of the hardware maker) is the video shot for GTC24 (Showing off nvidia Blackwell).
This type of content is extremely common on the Server space and this channel has always done this type of coverage.
Mind you he is not saying this is the best CPU in the world, and he is not saying this is better than others, he is just explaining that the new work intel is doing on the server space is really interesting (which as a person from the server world i agree it is)
afaik yes, I see the "includes paid promotion" checked on this video
As described, this sounds like the new robust and future proof threshold.
Xeon 6 + PCIe-oF + SSDs, yeah ! Now we just need a board with NO legacy crap (don't use it - don't want it ).
So, I think with modest investment, and careful integration, a home-lab can have the tech power of enterprise.
Composable, Scalable, let's build it !
0:06 water cooling prototype?
I don’t think so, pretty sure that’s Liquid ^TM , a company.
So they create a messy standard for instruction set extensions, then clean it up (?), but stuff that's lower level than that, they drop the ball……
Like, chiplets are about economy of scale and flexibility in allocation, not just making larger chips
I managed to get to 3 and bit minutes in of this... haha I just had to stop there, love ya work man but Intel can stuff it... This is just too hard to watch.... Even if their new CPU's are incredible they are about as trustworthy as Boeing at this point...
At the speed everything around the CPU improved, like PCIe, RAM, storage i get it why they want to look confident. But don't be surprised by the speed at which the kids are running and how fast they will be when they "grow up".
PCIe and DRAM on Gen 7 are publicly specified and available for chip makes. M.2 SSD's are quite often limited by the amount of PCIe lanes. Thats why Epic put so many into them, to feed the cores.
But the most important thing will be efficiency. If they manage to get a lead there all of AI, media streming, etc will jump on, as power is the main resource they are burning.
Good info and glad you are explaining that the system as a whole needs to be considered.
Informative. I have "Liquid PCIe Fabric" envy...
nice newspeak there Intel Human
Will server manufacturers fit brushless motors to there fans in the next iteration of carrot chasing. The human ear is 3-4 hundred thousand times as sensitive as the eye & should be appreciated accordingly. Bosch can do it in their washing machines why not server machines, with aero dynamics built into frames. Stop the Noise!
The worst part is a lot of rackable equipment with fans is always configured by default to have them run at their maximum possible speed which is in the 9000+rpm and makes this screaming from hell noise. When 99% of the time they don't need to be operating anywhere near that level of cooling at all. If its any kind of demo system or network equipment sometimes they don't even have any options to turn that sht down at all...
@@auturgicflosculator2183 See Tony Andrews FunctionOne Audio & Sound Reinforcement, read some of his material, thats a paraphrase quote from him.
If that interview is indicative of the corporate culture that's festering at Intel, their decisions over the last few years make a lot more sense. Talking about "Adult in the Room" is just inappropriate arrogance.
You just created the best sales pitch for Intel !
I'm a Blender artist and I'm buying their stock.
Can't server engineers design quieter fans and other solutions for quiet server racks?
I think you should look into wire-less laviler mic's. I am thinking something like Hollyland Lark M2 or similar. The look super easy to use. Some streamers use them for IRL streaming. The perform surprisingly well in loud environments. The might be others that dos it even better 🤷♂. But wire-less with a magnet mount and multiple mics, looks to me like something you could benefit a lot from.
Although we all know intel is crashing and this video is kinda weird, but we still need intel to stick around so AMD doesn't become another intel.
or worse, have amd be another nvidia
That is all Intel consumer stuff which is very far removed from the enterprise stuff. Like I don’t think the divisions really talk to one another.
@@ezforsakenI don’t think AMD can accrue the level of mindless fanboyism that Nvidia currently enjoys, but that doesn’t change the fact that AMD is a publicly-owned corporation whose first allegiance is to their shareholders, even before their own customers.
Is there any news on Xeon Max cpus ? I Would really like some 1TB HBM3E, 256 performance cores @ 6 GHz Xeon cpus…. When will they (cpu manufacturers) make cpus with ultra high frequencies? I’d rather have 32 cores @ 48 GHz per core, than 256 cores @ 6 GHz… maybe intel should develop something called: “core fusion”, whereby the user via the bios (or another method) can “fuse cores” together. this would result in fewer cores being addressed by the os, but at higher clock speeds per core. This would allow cpu intensive applications that aren’t able to address a lot of cpu cores run more efficiently. To simplify things, each reduction of cores would be at 50% (with a 256 core cpu, one can reduce the addressed core count by 50% to 128 cores, which would double the frequency per addressed core. this process can be performed all the way down to 2 cores. From 256 @ 6, to 128 @ 12, from/to 64 @ 24, from/to 32 @ 48, from/to 16 @ 96, from/to 8 @ 192, from/to 4 @ 384, from/to 2 @ 768…).
Best Xeon in 10 years - yup. But I'll be surprised if the prices match competitor Turin systems. We basically buy exclusively Dell servers and I have a few 96 core EPYC 9004 in use - but we haven't bought an Intel system in about 5 years other than a recent purchase of some low-end R360s with Xeon E-2468 (because Dell doesn't offer a Siena option, and I don't want to be buying Milan systems at this point - and besides, those are overlkill for some of the low-end systems we need).
:35 For triplicate backups of cat pictures, right?
"Computational fluid dynamics"? You probably don't want to be involved in my sci-fi porn animation asperations.
HI mom!
Can we get something like this on the desktop
Intel might end up in the long line of "too big to fail" cautionary tales
That interview wasn't a good look for Intel. It's that attitude that's going to cause Intel to have to be bailed out by the government.
Why level1tech reviews are consistently different to others?. He seems to be pretty happy with the latest chips, others say "intel is doomed", "AMD lied to us" and so on.
most reviewers are focused on gaming. plus there are desktop and server chips
Most reviewers are either exclusively focused on gaming or split their focus between gaming and productivity.
The chips in this video are really for neither of those things.
Because most reviewers are just basic game testers and don't go anywhere near what is being explained here. This channel cares more about the server and compute stuff rather than cyberpunk 2077 fps. Its a completely different layer of approach to reviews. GN and the other game reviewers are still better at informing normal consumer decisions as this channel is mostly for people into server and compute. There are also reviewers that focus on productivity which in general reviews intel fairly well as intel cpu just perform quite well in productivity tasks.
Because doom and gloom gets clicks and the ill-informed get stuck on "their" hardware and "their" card manufacturer without understanding the industry. I prefer the balance of say Steve/Paul's reporting and STH/Wendells reporting to come to an opinion somewhere in the middle.
What gamers fail to realize is that they are not any of these companies bread and butter. If "gamers" stop buying Intel, Intel doesnt go out of business. If enterprises stop buying Intel (for server compute and day to day workstation ops), they die no matter how much gamers/end users pretend they matter. Same with team Red/Green/etc and any big tech hardware company that isnt covered in rgb puke.
Phoronix has had largely positive coverage of zen 5 and arrow lake as well. Consoooomers are just mad we aren't getting another 20%+ global gen over gen CPU-limited frametime uplift. Zen 5 and arrow lake... Are good, actually. If only arrow lake had avx512 and any kind of ecc support, motherboards with pcie bifurcation, and used those 48 pcie lanes for actual pcie slots instead of motherboards just spamming the hell out of nvme... it would make a great prosumer stepping stone between real consumer chips and threadripper these days... And if only zen 5 had a faster memory controller and more pcie lanes. Here's hoping am5 is a dead platform.
Come on, intel guy. Give me an example of how Epyc doesn't matter compared to this.
Does being an adult mean cheating and scamming as much as possible?
Pretty much😅
Industry partners are waiting for intel to get their crap together and actually build something that is stable and delivers good value for the cost they are demanding.
Well? Maybe their desktop stuff should be based off their server stuff?
This is the god-tier video HUB will never make
For me it is like the best and biggest steam engine company, while in some basement the first combustion engines are developed
First time in 5 years someone said something nice about intel and not even xmas :)