This blows away the competition - JONSBO N1 NAS Build
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We’ve built some crazy servers in the range of petabytes of storage, but we haven’t talked much about smaller, more practical home NAS units… or how you can build one yourself - like we’re doing today with the JONSBO N1 NAS case and Seagate storage.
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0:00 Intro - Наука та технологія
Man, at this rate, we’ll be seeing personal petabyte drives soon!
It is probably already possible to do it right now as long as that person has access to some of that enterprise stuff. Single 100 tb SSD in the form of a 3.5 inch drive is already available. It's called nimbus exadrive if I recall correctly. Either way I just love where things are going for consumer products itself
I'd guess within the next 8 to 10 years
@@arpitbanerjie1848 it's 40k$
@@rapeofficial And the XEL-1 was an 11in terrible OLED for $7000 just a decade and a half ago. Tech moves fast friend.
@@rapeofficial I agree. I just talked about possibility not feasibility. It is possible but not a sane thing to do at all. Anyways a lot of tech does become more commonly (and cheaply) available after it's been out in the enterprise space for a while so let's hope for stuff like it to get cheaper and more accessible for the consumers in the upcoming future.
Honestly Linus will never call it a day regarding storage servers
Yes
also every few years he's lik "oh no, all of my data is gone!"
@@hariskhan01 this so much. I wish they approached more on the software/usage side. I've been asked more than once, by non-technical people, where and how to store photos instead of iCloud or Google Photos and there's no info about that
Makes sense--he makes massive amounts of data for a living.
@Don’t read my profile picture Learn to write properly.
Alright I actually built the NAS with this as a guide, though made a few changes.
Case: Fractal Design Node 804 (Cheaper than the Jonsbo N1 Mini Case, larger, and can hold far more drives)
Motherboard: ASRock B550M Steel Legend (Cheaper than the Asus ROG STRIX B550-I, though with truenas core I had to buy an intel NIC since didn't work with the default one)
PSU: Phanteks AMP 550 W 80+ Gold (Cheaper than the EVGA Super Nova at the time I bought it, and it has far more SATA power ports)
I also bought a HP NVIDIA Quadro 400 for around $11 off ebay to get a graphics out for easier debugging.
TrueNas Scale in my opinion is the best option since it has far better hardware compatibility being debian-based rather than a custom OS.
You wouldn't need to buy an intel NIC like with truenas core.
Not sure if this'll help anyone else, but there ya go.
Nice, but i feel like Intel is the way to go with nases due to quicksync and iGPU if you ever need display. That will change with AM5 though where amd is getting iGPUs on everything
@@trignite Yeah, I couldn't find a cheaper combo of motherboard + cpu while still maxing performance + pcie lanes.
Any of the intel iGPUs I found were far more expensive along with their motherboards than the combo I used + an $11 ebay gpu.
Who knows, the market might have moved to allow for a cheaper combo with intel at this point in time.
I did the same thing, followed this as a guide with the Jonsbo N1 as the main point of the build. It was nice, but it overheated like crazy. I had the case in an open air area, with full access to cool air, but still, the drives would get way to hot for this case. Sadly, I had to go back to my Node 304 case.
What was the total cost outside of the drives?
@@sakenu16 Around $600, but I built my machine months ago so prices could have changed
Very interesting DIY project for a home / home-office use. Definitely something I’m considering building as I have a number of SSD / HDD full of stuff laying around and a spare itx mobo / cpu / ram laying around …. The Jonsbo case is awesome 🤩! Jonsbo definitely deserve more air time on a number their cases and I personally use one (different design) an itx one in my 3yr old HTPC build.
Please let Jake explain more stuff in future videos! This was so smooth and pleasant. Thanks Jake!
It's funny how Jake has become more likeable over time. He was a bit annoying when he first appeared in videos. I'm glad he's still with LTT
Jake has the best delivery for sponsorship announcements too. Go Jake!
Scrolled down to type just this.
Jake comes across so clearly while explaining this stuff.
@@dalm312 I always liked him, he was edgy and I enjoyed it.
I would love to see some home server content, with a server like this, used for plex, owncloud, pihole etc
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Yeah specifically Plex!
@@3skin556 what the hell even is Plex? I just want to see a low budget bare metal
Considering there using truenas scale which has docker and VM capabilities, this system would easily be capable of all those with abit of time and a small amount of googling
Definitely!
Comparing the electricity consumption to a pre-built NAS would be very interesting.
Honestly this is the number one reason why I've bought a NAS from Western Digital.
Here in Germany the energy prices have peaked this year at almost 50 cents per kWh.
Running a NAS 24/7 can seriously increase your energy bill
You don't have to run your NAS 24/7. This is a misconception! The magic is called Wake On Lan. So your NAS is only running if you need it: de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wake_On_LAN
@@WhereIsTheSpartan fun fact when I suggested on reddit I would only switch on the NAS during the hours of the week I am at home and need the storage, people went completely crazy saying that is unacceptable to not run the NAS 24/7, without any justification of such statement. Glad to know I am not alone.
@@WhereIsTheSpartan ok but a nas needs about 2 min to boot, not great, but I see how it can be useful
@@WhereIsTheSpartan Not pro but HDD's don't like constant on/off power cycles. That wear vs power consumption makes it much cheaper to just keep it on. Thats why people prefer 24/7 operation. Therefore would be interesting to see power consumption details of this setup vs pre-built NAS like the OP said.
well, just guessing.... that NAS could draw at least about 55 to 60w with all discs spinning and the processor idling. If you configure spindown certainly you can lower it..... I built myself a NAS with a Celeron N (6w TDP) with only two WD Purple and the power consumption was between 25 to 29W peak.... and with spindown set, went down to 19W . Now here We're talking about 65w TDP just for the processor (idling at 20) + 5 HDD each can drawing about 8w (?) and I think I'm being generous
and then..... add all the other components consumption like RAM, Fans, Mainboard, the other SSD, etc... so yeah at the end of the day it is pretty high for a Home NAS. I live also in Germany and I would not do it. In fact, I got rid of the DIY celeron solution to get a very old 2 Bay Synology that consumes tops 15W and abou 4 while hybernating.
This is easily one of the more useful build guide that decent amount of people might actually want to build.
I've set up 3 raid 5 using prebuilt enclosures by now and I'm really looking into a better / cheaper solution.
Since the goal of this build is to beat the prebuilds at cheaper price, would be nice to include the final price of this build at the end of the video (obviously, I know price changes but for the sake of comparison).
The price is included at 15:30
@@wooonerf3195 oh thanks, I must have missed it
Well, if you're looking for an even cheaper solution you can get an N6005 or N5105 motherboard with a Node 304, which should be pretty cheap. You can also just get 5 year old hardware which can be pretty power efficient if you make sure to limit power usage properly.
Actually, jakes passion behind this project has me sold, I'm sold. I desperately need a storage solution and honestly I'm probably approaching that spooky data decay territory on some drives in a drawer. I gotta do this.
truenas scale is a good product, replaced unraid as the go to for them it seems like.
i had 2 perfectly fine drives in my closet, static sealed, 2 years old and 7, both were dead on my last round of checking/backups for seemingly no reason :/
@@bacstaber6253 I had 3, all working perfectly fine, and none of those were sealed, they were in plastic storage boxes. I guess it's all about luck?
Same, I still have 1 drive still kicking from 2008..? He's my little trooper, he's just a 1tb hdd.
@@bacstaber6253 mostly because of bad luck, sorry man. but i heard that old hdds also have higher risk of dying just by sitting around by just getting older, because of something something gases coming out iirc?
(i personally counter bad luck AND higher risk by just having additional copies.
i tbh would rather rely on 2 copies on 2 used hdds in comparison to only 1 brand new hdd. i personally bought a old Server with barely used hdds and have 3 copies of everything, for the price of only having 1 copy on new drives.)
Jake's presentation has really come a long way. He is more mellowed out now and really easy to watch/listen to, hope to see him in more videos like this
I love seeing positive messages around Jake these days. A few years ago he got a ton of hate in the comments and that is never easy to deal with.
He's easy to listen to, he doesn't come across like he's talking at you or well above your level.
I'm real glad to see his confidence come up.
His Comic-Book-Guy vibe laugh is being edited down
used to think he was a bit of a dick, but now he is great. hope alex grows too.
@@zz7254 to be fair, he was quite an a-hole some years ago, but as a long time viewer, you'll notice that has grown up, a lot (:
I have to say from someone who has limited knowledge in this area, you present this in a very informative, fun and 'makes me want one' kinda way. Well done for getting me interested
+1 for TrusNAS, my experience with it has been great. Currently running it for my storage server and it's been up for almost a year with no crashes or downtime.
Can Jake do a “Truenas for newbies” video!!! His explanations are clear, concise and to the point 👌🏼🤞🏼🙏🏼
Look up unraid, it’s way more feature rich than truenas
@@brkbtjunkie feature rich almost always means a steeper learning curve, completely defeating the purpose
@@the48thronin97 not to mention the paywall.
@@brkbtjunkie Then ask Jake for an "Unraid for newbies" video. That's not what we're asking for.
Kunwar asked for a TrueNAS for newbies, and I too would like to see that.
Do the complete opposite of this video and you should be good.
One of the most clear videos regarding storage and Nas I've seen in a while.
Linus: spends hundreds of dollars on a nas.
Me with a raspberrypi: you dare oppose me!!
yes, a clearly terrible truenas build
I still don't get why they chose itx of all things.
it's maintability is terrible in comparison,
you can't hotswap drives, powersupplies (sfx) are worse if you aren't careful, the mainboards are more expensive. and you are more likely to have issues building the system and a higher chance to damage parts every time you open the system.
Just a couple of heads-up: 1) mobos with 90° sata connectors pose a problem in this build, unless you have both 90° and 270° sata cables lying around. 2) check the physical support for the m.2 expansion card length-> you might end up using extenders and washers if you don't
I love that the camera crew NEVER misses to catch a linus tech fall and also snaps zooms in on it.
That's done in post-processing, in the editing :)
oh, so basically they use a turbo crazy level camera and actually crop into that shot way after. from my understanding they shoot like 16k. so every shot is actually the entire room and they just crop it down to 4k anyways.
from my understanding
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Why do you never compare the power consumption of both solutions in such projects? When a system like this runs around the clock for years, it's relevant.
Especially when you're not in Canada / the US.
You could just use a lower power CPU for that reason. I feel that a bigger problem than power is actually finding a suitable itx motherboard with sufficient SATA ports. It probably is the reason they went with that ROG motherboard instead of a cheaper one.
How much do Synology servers usually consume in terms of power?
@@frodolon 59.8 W (Zugriff) = 8 HHD's + 2 NVMe
26.18 W (HDD-Ruhezustand)
@@hdffjfhsdlfh: is that with or without HDD sleep mode?
like Linus said at the start of the video,
storage/cloud is really an issue I find myself thinking about every once in a while, the topic deserves all the attention this channel gives to it!
I have a dream of a day where we find a near-perfect solution that combines privecy, security, and convenience.
I know this is an older video, but I just ordered everything I needed to build this 😅 I've been needing a second 10tb drive to have a backup of my current one, and the pricing for everything else was so cheap now I decided to pull the plug. I'll be taking my old 2700x off the bookshelf and bringing it back to life 😎 I can't believe the prices for RAM and SSDs now!! OMG!
Linus is now officially addicted to TB's
r/datahoarders hast entered the chat
Tuberculosis 👀
It's just a matter of time before linus creates a mini case with a raspberry Pi with a PB
me too 😭❤️
got a 2tb m.2
Who isnt
Another thing worth mentioning with off the shelf products like those from qnap is that depending on the configuration of raid, containers, encryption etc, you might actually get locked into that specific brand.
When my qnap NAS failed, I was forced to buy another one from them because of the proprietary way they handle the drives.
I couldn't just pop them out and put them into a computer or even into s different brand of NAS
this , honestly for me is the bigger part of why i wana DIY, i want the flexibility and option to do what i want how i want it, even if 95% of the time i wont, its still an option at least
Yes i agree, i really hate it. They say it for security, but what's the point when the NAS broke, we can't access our own data when the HDD itself working fine. Maybe some people want that features, but i don't need it. At least give the options to disable it. If i want to secure my data, i will encrypt it with my own KEY. I don't need someone else to hold the KEY for my own secured data.
That's why you buy a big external and back the nas up to it and move the drives to a diy one. My synology 1515+ is dying and I don't want to buy another so this option is enticing. I have to see what can mix drive sizes and use plex too with file share and apple time machine.
This comment needs more upvotes.
How is mdadm proprietary? Most of these systems is running Linux one way or another. It's gonna be the same when you diy it. I work in IT though so I just have the know how. So I guess from a consumer perspective it looks like that. Either way backups are everything.
This is exactly the sort of thing I've been looking for. Very helpful.
The tight shot of the chip falling over at 1:58 is pure excellence in editing.
Linus : "The motherboard is the most likely component to die"
Also Linus : "Bends daughter board 25° multiple time"
Would love to hear a bit more about power consumption on those topics. For me in germany a 10w difference results in about 30€/year (and will most likely significantly increase in the Next few years)
Europe as a whole I would say. Power prices have been skyrocketing like crazy over the last 4 years.
Yep this is the first thing I thought, how much does this cost to run. All year round 24/7. Looking at building a system for HASS, Plex, NAS, etc. But a cheapo lenovo NUC might be better for a system that's permanently going to be turned on.
I'm with you. In my town in the Philippines, electricty have from 0.2 USD to 0.3 USD in the span of 6 months. That's why I installed a solar power system in the house and still mostly just use a Raspberry Pi4 as a network file storage/server and to host other services.
Dont they pay yall in germany to consume more electricity during certain times of the year? heard something like this years ago
@@sweetmelon3365 lol no. AS an end consumer you typically pay a monthly fee + a fixed amount per kWh (typically 0,3€ vor more).
With some providers you get a chaeper price During the night, but thats only a few cents)
It might be that at some times you could get energy basically for free on the energy market if there is way too much production and no requirement, but thats nothing for you unless you happen to own a pumped storage power plant or a steel factory xD
I just built almost this exact system to turn into a massive Plex server, and, for anyone planning to build one, a heads up: There were issues with 5000 series Ryzen CPUs and the B550 chipset resulting in the rear USB ports not working, or working intermittently. Supposedly this has been fixed with BIOS updates, but I am having the issue with mine (Ryzen 5 5600G and the ROG Strix B550-i). The problem appears to be related to voltage regulation. I was able to get everything set up using a USB hub connected to the front USB port, since the issue doesn't seem to affect the USB header on the board. From what I have read, this isn't a problem with 3000 series Ryzen.
How have you found streaming video using this platform?
@@AndrewPseudonym for majority of situations you can do direct play which gives you the best quality.
Good to see TrueNAS making another appearance - I do recommend to anyone interested in it, to do a test install on a spare old machine. Get some small capacity drives (old laptop hard drives, like 250GB or 320GB) and play with RAIDZ's, Mirrors and all that. It does require a lot of learning (can almost become a temporary hobby) but once you've figured it, you have one of the most redundant and reliable storage systems. UnRAID is far easier to setup and use, for less important data. Like anything in life, the more you put in, the more you get out.
If interested, my config is 2 TrueNAS servers, one primary and one secondary snapshot machine. Snapshots are a really efficient way of making backups, both local and to a second machine. Then backblaze is used to complete the 3-2-1 backup strategy - note it's more expensive (by a lot) than the personal version of backblaze. For 10TB, backblaze via a NAS is approx. 10x the cost, so you sometimes have to re-think what's sent up to the cloud.
It can be harder to find cases with high internal 3.5" bay counts these days. But, Fractal Design is making some damn nice cases perfect for this. I have the R5 with 8 bays, plus 2 5.25" bays! I'm actually using a 5.25" bay for an old BitFenix Recon Fan Controller I had laying around - It looks amazing.
@@NightFlight1973 You're right there - would you believe I got a second hand R5 only a week ago! I've got several old Antec 900 with up to 10 trayless 5.25in caddys in it. One has failed, but that's in around 30 that I've bought, so not too bad. I think my next computer case will probably be a rack, but I'd prefer not to go that route really.
Loved watching Jake and Linus building servers together.
Loving the NAS videos. Would love to see a video comparing all the options and detailed settings.
Darn, still all together nearly the same price but with the joy that you know what is going on and how to get to it, and the ability to get the build in pieces. This might become my next computer project when I have the financial ability to do so!
Really enjoyed this content, Thanks for the video. I was thinking of buying a pre built nas box but now i think i might go for something similar to this video cheers
I've seen a lot of videos here showing how to configure TrueNAS, but showing a video of what to do when a drive fails would be amazing as well.
Since ZFS uses of memory for caching, it makes ECC memory pretty much required for any kind of storage server you need to rely on. These Ripjaws DIMMs are great but not quite appropriate for a NAS. A homelab maybe, but certainly not something storing important data
Glad someone already commented this, as you're 100% correct. Bit flips in RAM due to cosmic rays (yeah really) are a surprisingly common issue, and the error detection/correction from the parity drives in ZRAID does nothing to protect against them, as they only help in the process of reading/writing the data to disk.
Btw for anyone else reading this, this problem isn't unique to ZFS. Pretty much any storage system that is optimised for online storage like this (aka any storage setup you'd have for a home NAS) will have this problem due to FS RAM caching.
Yet there's tons of pro's and millions of users that say sure good idea....but not mission critical for the general user on a budget
You Guys ROCK! Thanks for this video. Great information. Very good presentation.
I really love Alex he really knows his tech and he present extremely well on camera.
Could you do for fun a competition of LMG personnel building the cheapest nas ? like that scrapyard war you did back in the day ?? could be fun right ?
That is an awesome idea, but I was missing the comparison in energy consumption to a normal qnap or synology 5 disc system
i agree! If this draws a lot it might not make the deal compared to an off-the shelf one with smart energy safers n stuff
Yeah, I would love to see the power consumption of this DIY in comparison to Synology. NAS is running 24/7/365 and the power costs add up over time. Surely that Ryzen 3100 has way more performance than the Celeron J4125. Just for storing data you definitely don't need that much cpu power, but add some VMs, docker containers, plex server etc. and you have a nice little server. I wonder how efficient this system is in low power states.
I would like a follow up on this to optimise consumption and various use cases of this system.
So I replied before I saw this, so you can look for that comment for a better break down. To clarify, I'm an armchair tech enthusiast, so I could very easily be wrong, but I did some quick research. A QNAP NAS has an average yearly operation costs of about $48.66. Where as breaking down the components, and their average power consumption per year is around $136.66. (This is kind of an average between peak power, and idle) The number will definitely change based on how much you're using your NAS, and what you're doing with it.
Yes. This will draw a lot more power and make way more noise
NAS and storage segments are one of my favorites videos from you. Great job
I will never forget the sense of overkill that I had when I bought my first hard drive and slapped it into the old homebrew XT. That 10MB beauty cost a mint, but it held every floppy in the drawer and it just made that Fujitech jumbo turbo board scream! I knew then that it was all the storage that I would ever need...
10mb is such a large amount it will never get filled.
Unlimited storage.
haha.. reminds me on my first pc...
my parents - teachers - bought it together with the school where they worked..
the school equipted there pcs with 20MB HDs.. my father went for the 40MB.. other teachers said, he was cracy.. nobody would ever need so much storage...
but... i remember: monkey Island 2 - 6 floppys, around 10MB, SpaceQuest 4 -> around 10MB...
and it was nearly full
lol
i built my jonsbo mod3 fully custom watercooled pc 8 months ago i dont regret it, i love jonsbo.
Wow I happen to be looking for something exactly like this right now. This is super helpful thanks.
I just built my first home server and this is exactly the form factor I wanted but went ATX since I already had the parts laying around. Gonna go ahead and bookmark that case for later!
Just received this Jonsbo N1 case from Newegg. I ordered the only color available and received a blue color aluminum. Silver is the only color I have seen this case advertised in photo and video, and the only color offered. The case color doesn't look anything like the case color in this video. I contacted Newegg who put me in touch with the Jonsbo reseller. I was told by the reseller that it was the light that made the case look blue and that was the Silver color case. Options are to take it or leave it, nice!
I've started to build something similar myself though the motherboard is a Gigabyte A520I AC and the processor is a Ryzen 5 5600G (so I won't have to play about with other systems to build the hard drive). I did end up with the same 16GB though I tried 2 x 8GB of Corsair Vengeance LPX. I'm just getting the cables, the psu (I tested it with an old CIT supply and it works though the supply won't fit in the case) then it's all a matter of the drives. Spinning rust these days isn't quite as expensive as it once was but getting five relatively big drives is still not cheap over here. It's all in the cause of replacing my old home server which is perilously close to end of life.
Update: I finished building this with the parts above with an 850W Thermaltake SFX PSU. It works well though I would strongly advise that if you are running a Linux share setup as well as or instead of a Samba share, use TrueNAS Scale rather than Core (or Unraid). I already had a SATA board (a four way jobbie) from a previous project and the processor meant that I didn't need a second slot. One thing I was a bit unhappy about though was that the SATA cables were difficult to fit in there. I ended up buying a Yiwentec SATA fan out cable which can handle 6 ports and doesn't take up anything like the space but another suggestion I can come up with is use a Jonsbo N2 case. It has a different form factor which allows you to extract the storage drives without pulling the system apart.
I just realized Jake needs to do some tutorials on other software and setting up other products on servers and pcs. The way he described the process was straightforward and entertaining. Give this man more work to do!!
My mind is literally blown by this build. I've been wanting a storage server to backup stuff to, and this will suit my needs. Thank you for sharing this.
And when you do your first resilver expect for it to crap out and fail. You do NOT want to run just raid-Z1 on drives this size.
Ha! *doing what LTT says you should do*
You sure learned quick how to screw up everything technology.
Please don’t build what they’ve built. The redundancy is terrible and the build is in danger of bitrot. The caching setup is bizare too.
@@whitey4986 don't build what they build is correct if it's your only Nas solution , but not due to bit rot, truenas with scrubs will be fine. Nas is not a back up. Redundancy is only a problem if you have mission critical data, people buying this don't. It's bad because there is no ecc, but even that won't cause bit rot, just some stability issues, maybe. This would only be good as a back up server maybe mirror for a real production machine.
@@bimil8724 Redundancy around data is not backup, but is still important for non mission critical data. Redundancy should be a default and a minimum.
Thanks so much! I was looking for something like this, exactly but then. Your step-by-step guide is so easy to follow. I have been for years wanting to do something similar - mainly to access my NAS (attached to a Mac) across multiple IOS devices. Then, during your tutorial the words "smb" came up and I remember that's how Macs share files - but how do I get them on my iPhone and iPad! Did a quick search and so easy I felt dumb. In Apple's "Files" app, choose other at the top, connect to server and type in computer name. Next type the name of my login account on the Mac and boom - instant access! Thankfully don't need to build a rig - but I do want to down the road so that I can have RAID and all the other cool functions.
Either way, thanks for the inspiration!
Great and user friendly tutorial how to set TrueNAS on your custom build little monster 😁👍🏻
I like Linus, but I'm always amazed at how good the videos are when he's not around.
I feel LMG could almost run Linus free at this point. Good job team
that is what he has been training everyone to be able to do at some point. He fully understands this job isn't forever and he will someday have/want to retire. He is making sure the company he built is going to stand the test of time
Linus went into this the WAN show before last. The most catastrophic employee to lose would actually be Yvonne, according to Linus. She's the least easily replaced.
The videos are all scripted. There Linus is very professional at his job. Specially in IT. Don't underestimate. You're looking a kid never watched early Linus with true tech lessons
but who will drop stuff without linus around?
@@nathanwest2304 Nobody drops expensive equipment like Linus does, there's literally nobody who can do it as well as him.
The motto "Do as we say, not as we do." is still extremely true for this channel after so many years, it's crazy.
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I bought an asustor AS6604T for 499,-€ put it on the desktop, put 4 Ironwolf in it and after 24h of Raid5 build it was ready to use and it works. The Prolbem with FreeNAS or TrueNAS how it is called today is that it is unstable in the case of a harddrive failure. Sometimes it works to rebuild a raid, sometimes not.
Case - $126
Motherboard - $218
I/O Port - $26
32GB SSD - Cost Undisclosed
CPU - $120
Ripjaw Memory - $70
Power Supply - $130
Cheap Kingston Drive - Undisclosed
Disclosed Cost - $690
Synology - $700
I really know nothing about NAS drives (though I'd like to get one) but if we're comparing this build to the Synology, there really isn't much comparison. Beyond the fact that two components were not even being factored into the cost, the ten dollar "savings" is greatly offset by the time and irritation it will take to assemble, install software, subscribe to a service and everything else to get this up and running.
I think the one true merit to a build over a per-brought is the ability to upgrade keeping in mind though that some NAS units can in fact be upgradable.
THIS !!! For me just a case would cost 220€ with shipping. Now add MB (219€), RAM (86 €), CPU (cca 170€) and PSU (115€), without SSD drives. Just this would cost me 865€ (945$). Same Synology is 860€ (939$). So yea about that "savings" .......
@@redheadsg1 Yes, true. But, the first costs is almost the same price or a little higher. Remember, when the Synology goes after the warranty broken, you have to buy a complete new device. At this solution you can repair everything and re-order every parts. Finally, the case you can keep for decades for sure. Calculating for the further, it is defently cheaper.
With a faster CPU you can have a device much faster than the solution of Synology and have finally an almost enterprise device if you want.
I love this project. It's so elegant for a DIY Nas. And thankyou for walking through the software set up, most people are super lost on that front
Use a pi instead
looking forward to build something like this
Looks amazing. Gear ordered! 🤞🏻
The problem I see with the LTT screwdriver (from what I can tell from the videos) is the same as I see with most changeable bit ones, its too thick for the small work I do. Those bits alone will have a hard time fitting into recessed holes, let alone the shaft of the screwdriver.
Even the iFix-it stuff isn't much better though.
What I would like to see is a new design, using the small bits like the iFix-it kit uses. Rather than the normal interface where the bit slots into a hex hole in the screwdriver, the bit itself would have a keyed whole of some sort, and a shaft from the screwdriver would slot into the bit. This would let you keep the outer diameter of the total shaft very thin, allowing it to go into even the smallest recessed holes.
The thing about the LTT screwdriver is that it (at least looks like it) feels comfortable, we had a similar looking one and it was so so nice (it got lost now so sadge), i get your point about not fitting into tight spaces (hence why I have two screwdrivers) but for more general use i think that would feel much better than something for laptops or mobiles and such
There's usually two different types of screwdriver applications: serious business and delicate operations. The LTT screwdriver looks like a serious business screwdriver. I think they would do well to have a delicate option as well.
sorry to tell u that hes not producing special products just for ur usecase. im pretty sure its supposed to be used for the stuff he does in his videos and apparently its fitting for that. i bet there are manufacturers that produce tools for ur usecase too.
I have seen a couple of long bits screwdrivers that are only as thin as the head so they fit great in thigth spaces, but they only work on the provided handle, I would love an extra bits pack in the standard hex even if they do not go in the storage.
An easier solution to the problem you raised would be to use the long bits.
You would maybe need a handle that's a bit longer so that they can still be stored inside the handle.
I've built myself a similar concept, just with a much smaller budget.
I've used one of those toploong nas cases from aliexpress (4 disk bays), that goes for around 50$. I also scored a pretty cheap J1900 board with power supply for 40$. Added some ram i had lying around (8gb as thats the max j1900 supports) so i'm roughly 100$ in with a pretty decent setup. It's not the fastest thing around (but easily handles 1Gbit samba transfers and ~500Mbit worth of torrents) and certanly much faster than your ~100$ prebuilt NASes. It's also passivly cooled due to low power atom cpu.
So if you're on a budget, looking for cheap boards with built in cpus is a good start.
Don't suppose you could host a plex server on it? You would need something more powerful I'm guessing
@@Tumleren if you dont need to transcode itd handle it easily.
@@Tumleren there a more recent solutions like Asrock J4125. With Intel Quicksync they can handle several 1080 transcodes while being very energy-efficient.
@@Mkungaa Why would you want to do that anyway? Even cheap 30$ android boxes handle all formats in 4k easily, so all you really need is a samba/nfs share and stream directly.
@@Tumleren You could, but i don't see the need to do so. Nowadays most host devices handle h264/h265 natively so just simple samba share is enough to get you going.
I personally use samba and mount that to my kodi boxes and stream directly.
The only downside to my setup is pretty poor single core performance of those atom cores, so stuff like torrent transfers are bottlenecked in terms of maxing out my connection speed.
This is like THE perfect tidy little solution for small content creators! As others have mentioned though, we'd LOVE to know what the power consumption is like compared to off the shelf offerings like Synology.
Perfect solution for conent creators is PC in standart case. Because standart big case = good cooling for all components. This little cases are "near the TV" solution, you can't use it with powerfull CPU or GPU for creating content.
thanks for this video , i m about to buy one of these boxes :)
That a amazing case and I might use it at some point. I would love to know how much lower it uses.
I have a synology and power and space saving for a 5 drive unit are the big factors for choosing synology. While the disk accessibility is great on the synology disks hardly ever fail so taking it apart to swap a drive is not a big deal.
So trying to keep the power draw low is the only question.
Awesome case. Sadly as of 3/6/22 the shipping alone is almost as much as the case. $135 for the case, $105 for shipping.
Yeah, it is sad that this piece of art is not available for purchase on Amazon on Newegg. As of 4/16/2022, on Aliexpress the case is $142, and the shipping to Puerto Rico is almost the double, $186.47
As soon as this case became popular its price skyrocketed.
@@randybobandy9828 Typical !!!!
Thanks for the demo and info, have a great day
"CPUs generally outlast your other components" this is true
my parents have a literally 20 year old pc and it's athlon still works just fine
I always go for server grade hardware with these things, IPMI / ECC memory are a must and help with things like ongoing maintenance and lack of bit rot.
Indeed. When you've lost important files because your ram was faulty you quickly realize the value of ECC RAM in your storage solution. It's a shame that ECC is not ubiquitous now.
@@fdk7014 Especially when you're using ZFS, which uses memory for caching.
@@jttech44 Well, they all do. Or rather, all operating systems do
Glad to see Jonsbo finally getting recognition! even their coolers are good!
In my opinion, Jonsbo are basically less practical Silverstone at twice the price. YMMV, depending on specific use-case, of course. This particular case fits neatly into one use-case I don't think Silverstone covers.
Personally, I love my Synology NAS box. It wasn't cheap but I love the data security. It has 8 hot swap bays and I've installed 8 x 6 TB drives in a raid 6 configuration. I like knowing I could have two drives fail and not lose any data. It also has two 10 gig connections, so I connect to my 10 gig switch and bond two channels for a maximum of 20 gigs of speed from the switch to the box. I do wish it had more CPU power.
having started with synology, then switching to Truenas for better hardware/price ratio: You did the right thing. Truenas is way more a PITA than Synology. Synology's expandibility with their BFS system is something I wish I had. I cannot expand my current 6x12tb without either adding 6 more drives or swapping out the drives, instead of adding a couple more. The only reason i wanted to have power was for transcoding plex, which, someone else suggested: why not just transcode a version and keep it on the server, let plex decide? SMH. Wish I'd thought of that.
Personally, I think I am going to head in that direction in 2025. I think I am going to buy two 24TB hard drives to complete my collection on my current dumb NAS and copy all of my data onto that for my backup - then get something like the Synology NAS and put SSDs in it and start using SSD moving forward.
The shipping is almost the same price as the chassis, so there might be better choices with faster delivery times.
Yeah I was a bit disappointed how he mentioned it's only 120$ but completely glosses over the 100$ shipping
@syriangamer seriously... I don't care what the price is without shipping. ... ffs the cheapest could have been $20 and shipping could have been $200..
@@JamesMusicCo shipped?
Why not use ECC? AMD has very good support for that on consumer chips. And for a NAS ECC it's quite important.
My question as well.
ECC!!
Yeah, especially when using ZFS it makes sense to use ECC.
I can only think that Synology doesn't use it and they are challenging synology-like consumer solutions. Also excuse my ignorance but if it's really that important why isn't ECC used in most consumer NAS solutions?
ECC UDIMMs are a little expensive.
I’ve been with y’all since you were in the house building room cooling. Amazing work guys.
If you want to go a little bigger the Fractal Node range is pretty cool too.
Ahh so that is where my 3700X and 2x 16GB of DDR4 are going when I upgrade! Heck, I'm already using an ITX motherboard too lol.
This is awesome, I think I'm actually going to build this sooner rather than later. Been wanting to get a NAS going for about 2 years now, just never quite knew how.
I want to go back to ATX for my PC anyway, have more freedom to use some more unique components.
Awesome setup, a want for me though would be to have the drives accessible without full case removal.
Really cool!!...still gonna stay with my Synology, easy to get up and running, easy remote access, easy backup to offsite synology.
I got the build portion but when it comes to the NAS Setup/Software I think I have watch this several times! lol
Nice, looks to be a versatile unit with vanilla components (apart from the chassis & backplane) ... should last a lifetime.
I have been racking my brain over my future NAS solution, and I reckon many many people are coming up on upgrading their nas's. I might be looking to replicate this build or if you make another nas video soon I'll check that out too.
Damn man, I have been doing my research over Synology, trying to figure out what possible things I can do, now I am racking my brain after this video. Is the home built rig worth it? Like I saw Synology's video, it was pretty damn good and easy, this one seems way difficult for a newbie. I have no PC building skills, only theoretical knowledge.
Use a raspberry pi 4. It’s awesome
I would love to see a part 2 of this series, maybe explore the what and why behind an L2ARC/SLOG and why these cheap Optane drives make some sense for that, as well as ECC memory (which should be available on this platform).
true way to get started with Nas
Great Project 😃💥
You can do this on literally any case. Honestly this video should just be about TrueNAS because it allows you to turn any old PC into a rock solid NAS.
Anthony had a video about that maybe a couple weeks ago.
I enjoyed the build portion. Sure I can use my old case but rather not dedicate that much space to a nas.
You can build any pc with any parts if compatibility is met. I haven't seen hdd optimized small cases around so I think the case plays quite an important role here
Really loving the small footprint of the case. Makes the recycled Dell Dimension 2400 case I'm using for my current NAS look huge by comparison!
And here I am running two 4U chassis... and still in for half the price not including storage.
@@johngaltline9933 But two 4U chassis are massive, let alone the power draw and fan noise. Sure, you have more drive bays at a lower cost, but that setup isn't viable for a home media NAS unless you have a dedicated server room.
@@foxyloon and he's also forgetting not everyone has a server rack in their homes
@@foxyloon the small footprint is nice, if you actually need it, however most people do have room for a standard tax case that is a lot easier to work with.
Power draw is nearly the same as components take the same power no matter what case they are in. You will, and should, have more fans, but they won’t actually take more power as they can run slower to push the same volume of air with the added benefit of redundancy if a fan dies.
While most people don’t need 8u of space and 30 drives, the principal still holds, and a single 4u, shallow depth case can be had for a hundred bucks that will hold 6 to 8 drives if you don’t mind having to pull things apart the same as this case to change drives. If you want an expensive case, the money is better spent on a case for $200 with tool less hot swappable bays.
Last fan noise and server racks are a non issue. This is a file server with off the shelf parts. Fan noise is the same as any pc, which is to say it is pretty much nothing. As for a rack, mine is a table in the basement on which the chassis sit on top of each other.
I used to have a Dell 2400. Thing was useless even when it was new
This is cool for a small alternative. But any case and/or computer will do. What's needed most is: what is best home theater/server setups from computer to TV and other devices?
I have a business that I run off on Mac computer that uses parallels to run my accounting and invoicing with this build that you guys did work as a data storage for my invoices
Same day as the video, and the case is sold out. Good job, Linus. You've overwhelmed the case maker!
"The [retail] hug of death"
The Synology software is the really reason to buy one over building a NAS yourself. It has apps on Android and iOS for accessing images, music, movies, etc. on the go. It can handle video surveillance no problem. It really is plug and play with an unbelievable set of features. If I could buy the software and put it on a custom built NAS I totally would.
Yes, I was about to say the same thing!
The point of this video is that off the shelf NAS will eventually fail and more than likely when the part is no longer available. Also as he mentioned in the video you can setup VMs, Docker containers, etc. on this box.
Interesting. Are the tools that Synology uses open source? For places that security is relevant being open source is kind of mandatory. If they are, I would consider myself trying their products.
You can put synology OS on a custom build nas and use it (ahrrrr), but if you want to buy it specifically AFAIK it's impossible
Listen, you are half right half wrong about Synology. While it is true that Synology has good software, the company has become arrogant and begin restricting the use of seagate and WD drives and other hardware. They want to position themselves to be more at the enterprise level nas/storage solution company. Also, they charge astronomical and give you crappy hardware. Everything is backfiring and people begin to move to TrueNAS. Nobody is considering QNAP because QNAP has been hacked several times. Please do your research or own a Synology before making comments
i really really appreciate this very much
The thing no one ever shows with these types of NAS Raid storage setup videos is the recovery process when a drive fails - which, in my opinion, is really the only learning outcome worth the entire process.
Agreed. I had the same question starting out in the 90's with servers, networks, etc. and one thing that training left out was how to recover. Not knowing could be the life or death of your data forever!
Hilariously, I actually did this not too long ago. I didn't go for something NEAR as slim, as I just went with a "cube" case, because I like that aesthetic, and then some second hand server parts and a fairly low cost PSU and a spare GPU I had lying around that came out of a super cheap prebuild I bought some eternity ago (GTX 730 low profile). Cost me about $400 in total and it's a beast for what it does, which is file hosting/storing and Plex.
Worth considering your power usage on something you probably run 24/7. Linus' solution might actually be cheaper than yours over the course of a few years.
@@thedanyesful also, typical NAS like synology would be much more cheaper over course of year than Linus solution. TDP of NAS like synology are around 15W. What do you think this would drain? 40 - 60 W ?
This is exactly **EXACTLY** what I’ve wanted for so long. My time for a proper storage setup for my photography / video work is really overdue. Especially now that I do a lot of astronomy and am capturing hundreds of GBs worth of data in a matter of minutes, I need central big storage systems. This is so fantastic, I didn’t want to go the prebuilt route due to proprietary softwares and potential upgrade issues. Thank you so much for doing this video! It’s so incredibly helpful.
While I'm all in for Open Source... do check out Unraid before committing to anything. I've tried it all, nothing beats the simplicity of Unraid.
@@reloadfast Will definitely do so!
I loved this video. I hope to make one of these myself.
Thank you for this, I've been looking for ideas for what to use to make my own server
Time to do my own intel extreame tech upgrade (without the intel sponsor of course)
What would be really interesting about this, would be how much power does it draw compared to a regular nas?
70 to 100W per hour more for this that Synology.
If you need more power for your NAS then i think is ok.
If you need only storage, no VM's, then stick to Synology.
@@yoshy2628 100W for 24h = 2.4 kWh a day. That's about 870 kWh a year, or 245€ of power costs where I live (Germany). You'd need to factor that into the costs.
@@mbirth Yeah, with the massive rise in electricity prices this year, there are a lot of hidden costs for just a solely data storage option.
@@mbirth A NAS is going to be idling most of the time, looking at the power consumption under load doesn't tell you much.
@@KyussTheWalkingWorm I'm pretty sure the build in the video will still eat A LOT more power while idle compared to a Synology.
Silverstone has some great low profile SATA cables that would be perfect for this and they're super short.
i think it'd also be interesting to see figures regarding power consumption. vs the competition, a more beefy system like this could be more valuable in terms of initial cost, but also maybe more expensive in the long run in terms of power consumption
I‘ve looked up „idle power consumption ryzen 3 3100“. About 20W. (Igors Lab)
Synology is about 17 Watt for the whole system.
So yeah… About the same.
Or maybe I‘m missing something. idk
well, be specific, with or without GPU, if with, which GPU.. see where I'm going?
this is pretty cool - thanks
I run TrueNas as a VM on my Proxmox Server. Seeing this case is also finalizing an important decision for me, as I was searching for a ITX case with more then 2 slots of HDD space (3.5Inch that is).. thanks for this Linus and the crew! Keep it up ;-)
Fractal node 304's another honorable mention (6 x 3.5)
You can also look into the Fractal node 304. Its a bit bigger than this case it seems but cheaper
I was thinking of doing this exact thing. The issue is I currently run OpenMediaVault, and use a ton of docker containers. I'd like to run a slim VM just for docker stuff and TrueNAS for storage. I like the idea of separation of concerns. My biggest concern with that is that I don't want to make a hop to the router, just for the containers to be able to access the data. Does Proxmox offer a way for the two VMs to communicate directly?
@@bugs181 I am running Proxmox. Proxmox sets up a bridge from your NIC. When you create a new VM it assigns a IP address to the VM. To access your data from Truenas to docker/Portainer, you need to share your dataset in TrueNas. And then in the VM running portainer/docker you need to do some configuration to mount TrueNas to the VM. Let me know and I can write the steps here.
@@thebeatconnect1 thanks for the reply! I believe my Unifi network hands out the IP for DHCP to the OMV VM. It's bridge is vmbr0.
If what I gather so far, it's possible for the VMs to communicate using the bridge without hopping back to the router (UDM Pro in this case).
The primary reason this is such a concern, is because the UDM Pro has a 1Gbps backplane and I'm getting ready to add 10Gbps NICs to the Proxmox box.
I definitely appreciate any info you could give on this topic.
I was literally starting to plan a build exactly like this for the same purpose! Now I'm defiantly going through with it!
No need to be defiant...but, *definitely* do it! :)
I was thinking about building a NAS and after watching this video decided to give this N1 a go. Everything went well but had problems with TrueNAS OS freezing on me. I used a Corsair SF750 as had trouble getting hold of another suitable SFX PSU. The biggest problem I've had is the PSU getting very hot heating up the system due to the fan only coming on if over a certain amount of voltage (not temp) being used. I tested by putting a fan on the outside of the case blowing in directly where the fan was on the PSU and was then fine with the air circulating through it. I've been looking around but can't seem to find an SFX PSU, fully modular but with either a controllable or non zero fan. Are there any models you would recommend to fit this case around 650W? Apart from that issue was a nice build. Did you have any similar issues with the EVGA PSU causing overheating system heat/stability issues?
With the limited space I think these SFX PSU's should have at least the ability to switch the mode to a non zero curve like some of the ATX PSU's do via a hardware switch. Bring back the days of a rotary speed dial to set initial fan speed ;-)
Major geek overload.. God, these network storage thingy are so new to me.