You got the wrong idea bud . A 400 grain arrow will blow thru a deer easily even lower than that but my point is time from arrow to target is more important not a lobbed arrow at plus or minus 200 fps that animal will duck that at 20 yards. Lots of people fail to realize alot of loss of peneyration is due to not " properly" tuning their bows which kills penetration more than anything. This crazy heavy arrow thing is for no good lots of misses and wounded animals. Try shooting tac with those arrows lol!!
Bro, that 400 grainer will stop on a deers shoulder, easily. And a quartering to deer is hard to see a lot of the time! I think you could easily wound a lot of deer with arrows that don’t pass thru. You don’t lose deer because of too much penetration. I do agree the jumping the string may be more of an issue. But usually deer go down before they jump and if so, a heavier arrow seems to be better since they drop quicker. Catch my vibes? 😉
@@paulheberling2750 That is incorrect. I shot a buck at almost 30 yards with a 380 grain arrow traveling 315 fps with a swhacker 1.75" broadhead and it went through the shoulder bone, through the heart into the opposite shoulder bone and both front shoulders were broken. He plowed on his chest and expired. His legs were flopping loose when loading him in the truck. Shot a doe last year and broke the offside leg bone on exit. I break bone with ease with this set-up. I've been bow hunting 51 years now. I've shot slow bows, fast bows, heavy arrows and light arrows and my current set-up is the best I've used by far for whitetails. I have one pin 0-40 yards and the pin never leaves the deer. I will never go back to a heavy slow arrow. If that's what gives you confidence and that's what you want to shoot you should. Confidence is everything but what you said I don't find to be true. I shoot a tuned bow and that is extremely important for penetration.
Heavy vs light is like fixed vs mechanical, the argument will never end. For me it’s finding that happy medium. A mid weight arrow (450-650) is ideal. If you take shots 40+, closer to 450 is probably better. If most of your shots are around 20 yards, around 600 gr is an advantage. JMO
@@it_is_finished my thoughts exactly. Split the difference. Unless it's a griz or moose, anything arrow in the 500gr with good foc and a stupid sharp fixed blade broadhead is the way to go. @paulberling2750 has the ranch fairy setup. Which I'm a fan of. Lots of science behind that. If you are an elk guy or western hunter though, 60 yard shots or more may be your best opportunity. Heavier arrows don't lose ke as fast as lighter ones. But slower arrows at that distance are a disadvantages too
So for the 5mm to get 8 more inches then the 4mm it needs a handy cap how about making 6 arrows 3 5mm of what ever Weight, you wanna make it and then 3 4mm at the same weight as the 5mm and see witch one is better Apples to apples man apples to apples
Of course 4mm will out penetrate if we using same weight. That’s what I said in my vid. But even then it wouldn’t technically be apples to apples because it’s 4mm not 5mm against 5mm. The extra weight for the 5mm was to counter the smaller diameter the 4mm has over it.
I agree especially with that Particular 5mm arrow because the outside diameter is bigger around then all other 5mm I have see and I also have to agree with the other guy on here with that there is probably a hand full of people that are shooting a 150 spine that's crazy stiff
ill never understand the heavy arrow bs, its such a disadvantage for deer hunting. i used 360gr arrows for MANY years, never had a problem getting passthroughs on every deer even with large mechanical heads, and man did they shoot flat, and being a few yards off on distance was no big deal. deer are pretty thin skinned animals. if i was going to africa for REAL big game i would choose a heavier arrow.
@@paulheberling2750 i dont hit heavy bone, the only heavy bones are in the legs and the spine. i dont take crappy shots, only extra high percentage shots. i cant remember the last time i didnt get a clean pass-through with my arrow burried deep in the dirt. maybe 40 years ago when i was little kid shooting 35lbs. if you only take good high percentage shots then you wont hit bones either.
So I think there is a give and take with arrow weight. You shoot from two feet away and yea i am sure you might hit the deer. I dont need an arrow to go a foot in the ground past the deer at 20 yrds when i get enough with a 450 gr that still passes through. Big difference is my arrow arch and speed leads to less time for a deer to react to the shot and tighter windows I can shoot in. It’s give and take depending on what you hunt. I’d like to see you at 20-40 yrs make the 1700gr arrow fly straight through 10 jugs
I don’t have enough of these heavy arrows to use to sight in my bow to them. They’re expensive to make so I can’t afford to lose any. Hence I shoot so close. Gotta make sure they have the ability to hit all the jugs. But notice the results when we do between light and heavy arrows 😎
My point is you are showing that supper heavy arrows is the way to go. My point is you still get a pass through with the lighter arrow yet you now have the speed to be able to fit it in tighter spots at much more ranges with more forgiveness. Be off by 5 yards with a heavy arrow you miss the deer, be off with that on a light arrow you are off two or three inches. Has to be a balance of speed and weight.
@@mikeftball44 well, personally, I’d rather miss the deer than miss my mark and hit three inches above the lungs and wound the deer. And I’m not saying you have to shoot a 2,658 grain arrow for every hunt. I’m just aiming to show that for maximum penetration the heavier you go, so far, the more penetration you get.
Idk why everyone wants to shoot a heavy arow for deer. I shot 400 grain for year with a micanical and blow straight through. Even on a hard quartering away shot. Everyone talks about hitting the sholder well thats a bad shot and u should practice more its all about shot placement. U think the native Americans shot bows going 300fps . And they even took down bison
I do not recommend 4mm arrow at all. I have a hard time recommending customers to 5mm arrows. Reaults are almost always better with 6mm arrows, and 6.5mm arrows.
It's a great idea, but if you're not weighing out apples to apples, then you're not gonna have an accurate test.The four Millimeter may hit the table may not have hit the table. But when you start adding extra weight to the five millimeter, then you're not getting an accurate representation of what either arrow can do, because one's way lighter than the other two hundred and fifty grains, right I'm pretty sure that the 4 mm would have penetrated just as far as your 5 mm. If it also had that extra weight you were sticking on them. Maybe I love the test, but it is definitely not apples to apples
You got the wrong idea bud . A 400 grain arrow will blow thru a deer easily even lower than that but my point is time from arrow to target is more important not a lobbed arrow at plus or minus 200 fps that animal will duck that at 20 yards. Lots of people fail to realize alot of loss of peneyration is due to not " properly" tuning their bows which kills penetration more than anything. This crazy heavy arrow thing is for no good lots of misses and wounded animals. Try shooting tac with those arrows lol!!
Bro, that 400 grainer will stop on a deers shoulder, easily. And a quartering to deer is hard to see a lot of the time! I think you could easily wound a lot of deer with arrows that don’t pass thru. You don’t lose deer because of too much penetration. I do agree the jumping the string may be more of an issue. But usually deer go down before they jump and if so, a heavier arrow seems to be better since they drop quicker. Catch my vibes? 😉
@@paulheberling2750 That is incorrect. I shot a buck at almost 30 yards with a 380 grain arrow traveling 315 fps with a swhacker 1.75" broadhead and it went through the shoulder bone, through the heart into the opposite shoulder bone and both front shoulders were broken. He plowed on his chest and expired. His legs were flopping loose when loading him in the truck. Shot a doe last year and broke the offside leg bone on exit. I break bone with ease with this set-up. I've been bow hunting 51 years now. I've shot slow bows, fast bows, heavy arrows and light arrows and my current set-up is the best I've used by far for whitetails. I have one pin 0-40 yards and the pin never leaves the deer. I will never go back to a heavy slow arrow. If that's what gives you confidence and that's what you want to shoot you should. Confidence is everything but what you said I don't find to be true. I shoot a tuned bow and that is extremely important for penetration.
@@brokenarrow6491sometimes you get lucky with mechanicals. Why risk it though?
Heavy vs light is like fixed vs mechanical, the argument will never end. For me it’s finding that happy medium. A mid weight arrow (450-650) is ideal. If you take shots 40+, closer to 450 is probably better. If most of your shots are around 20 yards, around 600 gr is an advantage. JMO
@@it_is_finished my thoughts exactly. Split the difference. Unless it's a griz or moose, anything arrow in the 500gr with good foc and a stupid sharp fixed blade broadhead is the way to go. @paulberling2750 has the ranch fairy setup. Which I'm a fan of. Lots of science behind that. If you are an elk guy or western hunter though, 60 yard shots or more may be your best opportunity. Heavier arrows don't lose ke as fast as lighter ones. But slower arrows at that distance are a disadvantages too
This video is brought to you by the Ranch Fairy lol
Good test. Now back up to 30 yards and see which does better.
I need to paper tune my arrows first
So for the 5mm to get 8 more inches then the 4mm it needs a handy cap how about making 6 arrows 3 5mm of what ever Weight, you wanna make it and then 3 4mm at the same weight as the 5mm and see witch one is better Apples to apples man apples to apples
Of course 4mm will out penetrate if we using same weight. That’s what I said in my vid. But even then it wouldn’t technically be apples to apples because it’s 4mm not 5mm against 5mm. The extra weight for the 5mm was to counter the smaller diameter the 4mm has over it.
I agree especially with that Particular 5mm arrow because the outside diameter is bigger around then all other 5mm I have see and I also have to agree with the other guy on here with that there is probably a hand full of people that are shooting a 150 spine that's crazy stiff
ill never understand the heavy arrow bs, its such a disadvantage for deer hunting. i used 360gr arrows for MANY years, never had a problem getting passthroughs on every deer even with large mechanical heads, and man did they shoot flat, and being a few yards off on distance was no big deal. deer are pretty thin skinned animals. if i was going to africa for REAL big game i would choose a heavier arrow.
They work until you hit heavy bone, sure.
@@paulheberling2750 i dont hit heavy bone, the only heavy bones are in the legs and the spine. i dont take crappy shots, only extra high percentage shots. i cant remember the last time i didnt get a clean pass-through with my arrow burried deep in the dirt. maybe 40 years ago when i was little kid shooting 35lbs. if you only take good high percentage shots then you wont hit bones either.
@@yourmomma2995 🤔we’ll see
@@yourmomma2995 physics backs up the heavier arrow
@@bigKANG420 not really, nothing is free. you cant have momentum without velocity.
Very small amount of people are shooting that stiff of a spin and that heavy of an arrow.
Yeah, wish we could change that.
So I think there is a give and take with arrow weight. You shoot from two feet away and yea i am sure you might hit the deer. I dont need an arrow to go a foot in the ground past the deer at 20 yrds when i get enough with a 450 gr that still passes through. Big difference is my arrow arch and speed leads to less time for a deer to react to the shot and tighter windows I can shoot in. It’s give and take depending on what you hunt. I’d like to see you at 20-40 yrs make the 1700gr arrow fly straight through 10 jugs
I don’t have enough of these heavy arrows to use to sight in my bow to them. They’re expensive to make so I can’t afford to lose any. Hence I shoot so close. Gotta make sure they have the ability to hit all the jugs. But notice the results when we do between light and heavy arrows 😎
My point is you are showing that supper heavy arrows is the way to go. My point is you still get a pass through with the lighter arrow yet you now have the speed to be able to fit it in tighter spots at much more ranges with more forgiveness. Be off by 5 yards with a heavy arrow you miss the deer, be off with that on a light arrow you are off two or three inches. Has to be a balance of speed and weight.
@@mikeftball44 well, personally, I’d rather miss the deer than miss my mark and hit three inches above the lungs and wound the deer.
And I’m not saying you have to shoot a 2,658 grain arrow for every hunt. I’m just aiming to show that for maximum penetration the heavier you go, so far, the more penetration you get.
Idk why everyone wants to shoot a heavy arow for deer. I shot 400 grain for year with a micanical and blow straight through. Even on a hard quartering away shot. Everyone talks about hitting the sholder well thats a bad shot and u should practice more its all about shot placement. U think the native Americans shot bows going 300fps . And they even took down bison
Well yeah because they shot heavy arrows!
2000 plus arrow. My friend just throw a spear. They will both go about as far ( sarcasm). No way no how is there a need for that heavy of an arrow.
@@salvadormurillo2239 yes there is! Believe!
Stopped watching after I saw the arrow weights ☠️😂😂
@@lifeoflp4251 😂🤣
I do not recommend 4mm arrow at all. I have a hard time recommending customers to 5mm arrows. Reaults are almost always better with 6mm arrows, and 6.5mm arrows.
It's a great idea, but if you're not weighing out apples to apples, then you're not gonna have an accurate test.The four Millimeter may hit the table may not have hit the table. But when you start adding extra weight to the five millimeter, then you're not getting an accurate representation of what either arrow can do, because one's way lighter than the other two hundred and fifty grains, right I'm pretty sure that the 4 mm would have penetrated just as far as your 5 mm. If it also had that extra weight you were sticking on them. Maybe I love the test, but it is definitely not apples to apples
Yes, I agree 👍
Why don't you try not to hit the table on first 2 shots. Pointless
@@calebsmith1454 come on bro! We’re testing max penetration not range!