If you want to make a deal with the devil, drive an entire psychotic species back into their own dimension, and still have time for coffee, send Janeway.
"Make sure you have a real good reason to turn down our gratitude. I'm sure Gowron will ask what it was. And I feel even more smug pointing that out than you did just a second ago." (It's "adjutant" but no worries. Actually, in the Klingon empire who knows haha.)
@@hagamapama Exactly my train of thought. I heard agitant, assumed that it's probably adjutant but then it kind of makes sense that the title' junior agitant' would exist in the Klingon diplomatic corps.
I love Worf in the background standing around looking bored, and then when Picard starts the line about offering help to Gowron’s rivals Worf quickly stares at him, realizes what’s happening and turns to Riker like “you seeing this shit?”
For context, Picard was instrumental in getting Gowron into his position as leader of the Empire. Then once Gowron got into power he quietly rewrote the history books, eliminating any reference to the Federation helping him, putting distance inbetween himself and Picard. But Picard was having none of that crap, and gently reminded him who got him into power.
That's the way Klingons prefer to be dealt with. They respect threats made from a position of strength. This one was made indirectly enough that Gowron wouldn't have felt obligated to respond with threats of his own.
That mfer Churchill caused many a genocide in Asia and is allegedly so drunk always that most of his speeches were written by a bloke from BBC! So spare me ur Churchill bullsh!t
It is Picard's last jibe that really does it for me. By ironically praising Gowron for how the Klingon Empire is prospering due to great leadership, he is pointing out the Empire is a mess, Gowron is neck deep in ugly internal politics, and thus one of his rivals being owed a favor by Picard would be a threat that cannot be ignored.
I love how Picard's actual thoughts are hiding juuuuust behind his words... i.e. "A MESSAGE?! Very well...." He's actually thinking "Listen here you little shit..."
Picard may be French-but only an englishman reminds an enemy that the velvet glove contains an iron punch-just note how he swallows his anger at having to deal with the insolence of a very junior official
@@con_boy cant fully agree with that. It never had the same impact, sure. But the scenes with Worf and klingon politics, or the episode where Beverly had to deal with less and less people being on the ship stood out to me as well. Granted, those episodes had phenominal writing too
Lol so NOT Gene then 😂😂 Check out the interviewabout Gene hating Picard and his oldness and baldness if you somehow havent yet, its actually eye opening and hilarious Picard will always be the best Captain, hands down
They probably watched him in 'I, Claudius' as a captain of a Roman imperial guard and immediately concluded he would be perfect as new captain of Enterprise, because in that TV series he's basically doing the same things like in this scene.
It was Robert Justman who saw Stewart at a local stage play. He immediately knew this was the guy for Captain. Justman took Stewart to Roddenberry's house and the first impression by Roddenberry is classically told as being a horrific experience for Stewart as Roddenberry was not very nice about it all. Eventually Roddenberry was outgunned by the production and realized his lone dissenting vote would go no where so he dropped the matter and said ok to it.
@@Frenchiesfiberfiles Worf seemingly felt dishonored for even *briefly associating* with the 24th century Klingon paper - pushing desk jockey. Adjutant or whatever, a bureaucrat is a bureaucrat.
Yeah the episode your thinking about concerns the Romulan defector. When the Romulans are about ready to destroy the Enterprise, Picard had an ace in the hole: 3 Klingon cloaked Birds of Prey on standby. 😏
The Sisko would have gone overboard and and said, "This is exact-LY what the writ-ERS want! KLING-on. vers-us Federation. Federation vers-us. KLING-on! Every-ONE else against Wesl-ey." And then you got Archer..."I appreciate your decision to not want to help us, it truly is an honor, but it doesn't look like Porthos is too happy about that choice. It looks like you are going to have to do a better job in convincing him otherwise... He really enjoys cheese." Disclaimer, I love all these series though lol.
Indeed, although its well established that it took some time for the writers to realise they had a legendary shakespearean actor to work with and to make the most of it. Rick Berman has said many times he had to fight Gene hard to get Stewart the role, and that he believes it is the single most important component of TNG's success.
@@IWantToBelieve1 I am not a big Star Trek Fan, the reason to why i have started getting more interested in it is because of TNG and captain picard which i find to be one of the better characters in modern sci fi.
Thats pretty cool - Picard: "Oh, you only get our gratitude" Klingon: scoffs at it... Picard: "Or someone else will help us... then, they... wil have our gratitude" Klingon: suddenly feels like gratitude is the best thing since sliced bread
@@fallinginthed33p Indeed. I did not mean is cynically. I believe Picard helped the Klingon see the truth. Gratitude is one of the best things there are! :-)
"What did Picard have to say?" "Basically, he wanted a cloaked ship in exchange for him not backing one of your rivals." "Ha! That guy is the best. Get a Bird of Prey over to him, and program that Earl Grey drink into the replicators when you do."
That is like the method I was trained in: I am debating someone, they make a point, and I will suddenly AGREE with them. Then I will take the point they made and use it to destroy THEIR argument. :)
Love the fact they brought out the original Klingons from the Original episodes in DS9. Though I like the actor who played Koloth better as the Squire of Gothos.
"Also, please tell Gowron that I am immensely gratified that he is prospering so well. A tribute to his skilled leadership." That, my friends, is what is known as a verbal backhanded bitch slap.
Nah he punched him. He didn't feel like battling that guy to the death. Takes weeks to get it out of his uniforms abd doesn't some poor Ensign scared to death of as it is to be more afraid he'll split his wig to the white meat in front of everyone which of course he will if he fucks up but need said Ensign's confidence more than his mortal terror at the moment. His wig will be split in time.
Kirk: *B-slaps his adversaries* Sisko: *uses a Bad@$$ warship to B-slap his adversaries* Picard: *uses some of the most intricate and sinuous comments ever contrived by mankind to B-slap his adversaries*
Really is a testament to Stewart's acting because - on the surface - he doesn't look threatening at all. Edward Woodward had the same gift in the Equalizer
This is actually one of my favorite scenes in all of ST-TNG. It's the clever dialogue, and that smirk on Picard's face as he says "and then THEY would have our gratitude."
It's times like this which were the reason Riker refused a command of his own for so long because he knew Picard still had so much to teach him which is evident in the Picard series when he's dealing with Commodore/General Oh. He never loses his temper nor raises his voice and is more than willing to provide them with a escort back to Romulan space.
The best part is that Gowron was telling the Klingon people how he single-handedly won the civil war, and was erasing datafiles that included the Federation's help in the war. When Picard said that "someone else would accept his gratitude" he was basically blackmailing him. Although a guy as smooth as Jean Luc, I would call it extortion.
@@captainpharaoh Cant send to nearest starbase, need to send to Picard direclty, Klingon ships are declared hazardous because of the warp reactor on board and a few torpedos.
@Anti-Federalist 1776 too much help makes a weak leader. Or people. What one does when in power must be ones own. Never let it be known that you are another's man. No man (Klingon etc) can serve two masters...
@@seldonwright4345 You have it backwards. This isn't about masters and controlling your destiny through raw power. What Picard is talking about it political power. If one leader says they have the respect and backing of the entire federation, that's a HUGE power play.
@@NinjaSushi2 while you are correct about the political aspect, there is another aspect as well. during the Klingon civil war, (when Picard was Arbiter of Succession) Picard used a non-aggressive blockade involving tachyon beams to prevent the cloaked Romulan ships from delivering supplies to the Duras faction, allowing Gowron to defeat them. Simply put, Gowron owes Picard big time, because Picard put HIS reputation on the line when he asked Starfleet Command for permission to blockade.
@@kimraudenbush427 Not only that, but Gawlron has been rewriting History, and his propaganda makes no mention of the Federation's involvement. In order to strengthen public support for his leadership, he claims that he won the war on his own merits. Picard is not just saying "you owe me", he is actually threatening to expose the truth and throw a wrench in Gawlron's deceitful political narrative.
Sisko is the one you send when the guns are already firing. You send in Picard when you want to keep them from pressing that button in the first place.
And Burham is the one you send in where for some reason you want the enemy, the crew, and the entire fanbase to shake their heads and walk away in abject disappointment.
A couple of the best STNG episodes were ones where Picard was front and centre for almost the whole epsode, The Inner Light being one of them, and Darmok being the other. I love the rest of the crew too, but those two episodes in particualr were great.
I would maintain that STD could not learn from this show. If they could, they already would have. The common factor for SJW writers is that they fundamentally do not understand the purpose and function of lore. This is the root of all of their failings.
@@mmjahink It's not like half a lifetime has gone by since we started using the term [woke]. 🤪😂 Your comment reminds me of dumb little kids talking about "nostalgia" in the context of less than a handful of years...fake nostalgia created by their need to be a part of things. He may be a grandpa in your eyes, but in ours, you're nothing but a snotnosed little brat who clearly has a lot to learn. 🙃 And if you're also an adult, that's just fucking sad.🤣
@@mmjahink Well, given that they don't "care about social causes" but only give self-serving lip service designed to make themselves feel better and tell the world what good, moral people they are (which, if they actually were good people, they wouldn't need to tell everyone), "SJW" still seems appropriate then.
My favorite Picard Owns moment was when Picard owned Q when Q made him pass out after being knocked out and told him he was dead, and that Q was God. Picard: *says chuckling* "You are not God, the universe is not so badly designed."
@@jasonvoorhees5640 Maybe. But at least it's well-written and makes sense. It's head and shoulders above the whiny, childish, unprofessional, and overly emotional characters they put on starships in the newer Trek series.
JJ Greywolf grattitude means loyalty and if you are loyal to one clan while anothe rhas rebuffed you there may be reprecusions fo rthe clan that did the jilting!! basically he just b@tch slapped the klingon!
This and when he decides to clean the ship's gold plate rather than taking the call... are my favorite moments of Picard's diplomacy. I love his 'two can play that game' mentality.
@@Tigerman1138 The reference is back to dealing with the Sheliak [The Ensigns of Command], and the race Picard names for arbitration is the "Grizzelas", for lack of better spelling.
To be ultra geeky: Gratitude goes a long way. What Picard was really saying is: -"A message!" = Do you know who the F I am! I am no pauper Klingon. (I represent the flag ship of the Federation that is the superpower of the galaxy.) I have come a long way. -"Very well" = Let's dance then. Two can play at this game. -"Tell Gawron Leader of the High council of the Klingon Empire..." = You have a very high position that you don't want to lose. A title is only a Title. -"That his Arbiter of succession John Luc Picard needs a favour..." = I really need your help, I am helping you as Arbiter by the way if you forgot. -"It is for a mission that could have repercussions across the quadrant" = This involves you too, so Its in your best interest to give me what I need. I'm doing your bloody work. -"The only benefit to the Klingon Empire would be our Gratitude." = This is far more valuable than all the money we can give you. If you understand what our gratitude means. As non-monetary principles is more valuable then money. -"Yes, and please add, that if he is unable to provide us with a ship then I am sure there are others in the Klingon Empire that will be willing to help me." = let me give you an alternative scenario if things don't go as I want them to. Your Enemy can be my benefit. Your Throne is not secure. It's just business. -"And then they will have our Gratitude." = Now you realise what our gratitude means. This will make your throne unsecure. And we would have lost an ally but gained another. -"And please tell Gawron that I am immensely gratified that he is prospering so well." - Think about your position. Don't loose it. You don't want to go back to what you were before not a long time ago. The future might not be so fruitful. You have to secure that future by helping me. -"A tribute to his skilled leadership." - I know you are stupid, you know it too. You got to power and maintain it by luck. So be a bit smarter this time. Cause luck can run out. There ain't no tribute to your leadership.
The way he pauses and growls "name" at the start is priceless - you just know he's winding up to open a can of effortlessly elegant diplomatic whoopass!
You probably haven't seen Picard that annoyed at a subspace communication since he hung up on the Shelliak and let it ring before taking their call....
It's all in the emphasis and phrasing kids! I like how the first time Picard says, "Our gratitude", it sounds simple enough, but as he goes on to explain it you feel the weight of what it is he is implying. The favor of the Federation. That is some sublime acting there! Hearing it again you can hear the true intent of that word, "Gratitude", when he first says it. Love it!
@@tetrisdanser I understand your point, but he said it the best way. The importance of it being "THEY" rather than Gowron who would have the Federations gratitude would not be lost on Gowron. And Picard already knew that. He was emphasizing that "OUR" gratitude was the most important gratitude that the Klingons could earn in their corner of the galaxy.
@Emperor Ssraeshza This wasn't really a commentary about brutality but more over their projected image. USSR was never about honor - their buzzwords were equality and peace. Japan in particular was completely all about that "honorable warriors" type of deal and Germany pretended that too.
@Emperor Ssraeshza Looks like you are just a very simple algorithm triggered to action by anyone mentioning something about Imperial Japan. Yes socialists and USSR were evil scum but that was not the original topic, was it? This logical fallacy of yours called argumentum tu quoque (or "whataboutism" in the US or "...and you are beating the blacks!" in Russia) impresses only very few people.
Not much of a trekkie but I believe the typical Klingon rebuttal to that would be, "There is no honor in defeat. Honor can be achieved only through victory, by *any means* "
He basically told Gowron that if he likes his position as leader of the council and all the benefits that go with it, then he will help them. If not, the Federation will see him deposed and the leader of one of the other houses put in his place. Isn't political intrigue a wonderful thing?
The best thing about all of this: We as the viewers know that neither Picard nor the UFP would do such a thing, but this Klingon doesn't. He played him like a pro musician his instrument.
mutalix Unlikely. That sentence has been used literally in a thousand different places for possibly several hundred years. Of course, there is the possibility the other poster was thinking specifically the same source as you, but there is no reason to assume his choice of words was influenced by recent popculture, other than the expression being popularized again by a single source. We cannot know if it was a reference or not, but if it would be, it could also be referencing to Sherlock Holmes, who has the habit of purposefully misleading people by choosing which information he gives and when, and also of playing the violin (fiddle). However, the balance of possibilities is that IF we choose to take it as a reference, it is more likely that he has played a game instead of reading a book more than hundred years old. ;-)
It was not a reference to any popcultural thing, I didn't even know the saying was now connected to a popcultural product. I just simply now it as an everyday saying.
We don't "know", they shouldn't have gotten involved with the level of interference they did up to Gowron's succession to start with, we can't be certain Picard wouldn't "diplomatically" assist his downfall. Not smart to anger Picard... he may not directly attack, may even lose in a physical attack, but he can do more damage with a few speeches than most people can with a whole fleet of ships when politics and diplomatic relations are involved.
The best part of this is how the shot is framed when there’s a close up of Picard. In the background you can see Riker, Work and Data, all absolutely calm and confident that their Captain is going to get this done…..
Picard: "I need a favour" B'iJik: "A favour?" Picard: "Terrible echo in here, I require a cloaked vessel" B'iJik: "A cloaked vessel?" Picard: "There it is again"
There is honestly no other captain in trek that holds a candle to Picards way of diplomacy. There are other captains who are great in this and that but Picard truly is a master, great writing and great acting.
+Rensune I'd say Sisko the Governor. He was the one who balanced the needs of his community and neighbors rather than just his crew or his mission. As a starship captain Sisko was not bad, but not great, and as a field tactician he was OK, but others did what he did better. jadzia was a better ship commander, and Worf was a better tactician (and so was O'Brien when you could get him to step forward and take the lead) But no one was better than Sisko at keeping a community strong and united.
In the end, Archer did not get much exploring done with almost every newly encounterd alien attacking enterprise or earth. He even resorted to torture and piracy. Something Picard would not even dream of....
Sisko was a moral filter of sorts. When necessary, he upheld Starfleet morals to the highest standards. When that wouldn't cut it, he'd block them and take make the personal sacrifice to resort to pragmatic methods, such as using Garak to get Romulus to join the war, knowing (at least originally on the surface of his subconscious) what the outcome of that would be. He may not have arguably been the best at those specific tasks you mention, but he was certainly the most necessary person in the position at that time. They very well may have lost the war if he hadn't been in charge and done some of the things he did, and able to do it only as a last or necessary resort without letting it drag him completely down and irreparably harm and corrupt him.
supertekkel1 Archer reported to torture and piracy during a situation where he was forced to serve as a warship and engage in an asymmetric war. He was fighting what was essentially a guerilla war. Anyone fighting that kind of war will end up doing a few things they regret. Ask Kira Nerys. None of the other captains ever had to cope with being as severely outclassed as consistently Archer was, unlike the Enterprise ships the NX-01 was almost never the toughest ship around and was in fact usually significantly outclassed and underpowered. And half the time there wasn't even a procedure at all for what he was up against until he invented it. He spent his whole career as a guinea pig trying to figure out how humanity fit in the greater interstellar community and was making it up as he went along..
@@EmperorTyrael I cant believe I witnessed Commander Starfleet say such hogwash in the face of one of the greatest heroes in Federation history. My blood boiled when I watched that "scene"...This is the man who bled crimson amd blue to resist the Borg and endured the fallout of the destruction that was wrought when they broke him. The man who educated a Klingon on the tenets of ethics and conflicts of interest. Took the helm when Enterprise was caught in a 1000 year old booby trap designed by a race destroyed long ago. Reminded us that Temba had his arms wide. And that Sokath had his eyes uncovered. The beast at Tanagra. Reminded Kirk that he has a duty, even while within the Nexus. Reminded Scotty that he is relevant. Kicked Riker in the ads to take Command...I could go on forever
And it does so by saying: "If you want to measure this passive agressiveness on a scale, you would have my gratitude by buying a bigger scale next time." x)
“You will have our gratitude.” “Gratitude? Psh! What do we want with your gratitude?” “Fine, then. Perhaps someone ELSE would like our gratitude.” “…Oh wait, did you say GRATITUDE? Shit, baby, we ALL about the gratitude up in here!”
@kayemm86 My bad. But yeah. Picard's diplomacy was awesome. He made my generation of Trekkies grow up so fast and not in a Kirk way either. Now, he's like the ultimate father figure for the thinking man Trekkie.
I've watched this scene so many times over the years because it's a personal favorite and really sums up Jean Luc Picard as a person you don't want to fuck with BUT how did I just notice for the first time that Picard goes out of his way to ask Worf for the man's name AND THEN NEVER USES THE NAME TO ADDRESS HIM
Manipulation, yes, deceit, no. Deceit is to say one thing to a person and mean another in order to full them. Manipulation is to say things in such a way as to get your way, whether the other person recognizes it and is forced to act accordingly or misses it altogether and gets fooled. Manipulation can be deceitful, but not all manipulation is deceitful. Instead, deceit is inherently manipulative. A threat can be veiled in such a fashion that the other party cannot assert you were not being polite. Pickard pretty much told the other party that they are willing to cooperate with others (with all the implications such a course of action carries) if Gowron is not willing to cooperate with them. He didn't insult him, and he didn't say they will cooperate with others regardless of what happens.
Which is exactly why I hate it Be clear, so that no miscommunication can take place and everybody knows what you stand for. Don't deceive, manipulate, and leave room for interpretation that you can use against someone later. Basically, be honorable, not a coward.
@@dangelnut Yeah, "some" and "scenes" being the keywords here, in comparison to whole episodes and even complete story arcs, heck, even complete series.
As I recall, Picard is equally fluent in Klingon as Worf, and if you need cussed out in Klingon, you will be thoroughly dressed down. More than any other captain, Picard was an impeccable ambassador and diplomat, and was very adept at political leverage. That last little bit, "a tribute to his skilled leadership," was a reminder that in fact Gawron owed quite a bit of his current status to Picard's assistance.
ElPayasoMalo ... I don’t know what’s sadder; the idea that you know Klingon, or the idea that you took the time to copy and paste it from somewhere else on the internet. Good luck in the future my man, you’re going to need it.
"... and then they would have our gratitude" "I see" Cracks me up every time, where DS9 trumps with a strong sense of real stakes, TNG always had the upper hand in dialog thanks to Stewards delivery^^
Well said. In a movie or in TV, it is the sense of things which make it worthwhile for the viewer. In this Picard reminds of the real stakes in play, much higher than most things in DS9, except the dominion war of course, but it doesnt FEEL so important. A fight with less than dozen participants may feel like a huge thing, or the future of Quarks casino hangs in balance and it has drama, but when Picard throws a casinochip worth tens of thousands of sentient lives on the table, he must do it like James Bond so it would have some drama in it. Reminds me of West Wing. A friend of mine called it boring, because nothing ever happened in it. Another called it too exciting because of personal experience in politics.
@@KurasoraMutalampi never saw west wing but I love Designated Survivor. Keifer Sutherland really delivers. I think that his performance here trumps-see what I did there- his performance in 24.
Can't see this scene often enough! Still makes me grin like an idiot every time. You could actually hear the screen sizzle with the burning of this adjudant...
@@Lauren080508 It doesn't matter. He is a fan, but refuses to admit it. And also, anyone who is not a Star Trek fan, is beneath you, by orders of magnitude.
Everyone else brings guns. Picard brings words. Edit: for everyone saying "he also brings guns", you are completely missing the point of it. Yes, he has guns, so does his enemies, but he, chooses words at all times and only resorts to guns in a finality. Given the choice, picard will always choose to talk. Terrible that I have to explain this to start trek fans. Aren't we supposed to be the slightly smarter geeks?
This seems like the proper tone and conversation that donors might have for politicians that win their office. Basically, remember who helped put you in office.
Immediately after Picard comes in with the perfect delivery of the perfect line here, this Klingon junior adjutant’s 8-chambered heart immediately sunk down into one of his 2 stomachs 😅
@@brandonporter8509 Because no leader should ever put themselves in a position to take from their subordinates. And if you ever thought Picard wasn't skilled enough to take in a game of poker, you need to rewatch this scene a few more times.
@@traviscecil3903 Is it a bad time to note, they ... don't exactly have money or anything of apparent value going around in these poker games? Just bragging rights from what I can tell.
@@traviscecil3903 that was a powerful line in episode 1 of band of brothers when they introduce Buck Compton and Winters is scolding him for playing with the men and he mentions what’s the deal I was getting to know them and besides I lost “what if you won?” Stops Buck in his tracks as he thinks and Winters follows up with the “never put yourself in position to take from these men…” that is leadership
It's kind of funny how Picard, as the captain of a single ship, could call up heads of state for entire Star Alliances/Empires, etc. I guess being the rock-star captain of the Federation's flagship has its perks.
This is what makes a badass captain. Not flying around killing planets or punching an alien or being all psycho militant, just bending the Klingon high command to his will with a few words.
If you want to win a fight, send Kirk.
If you want to win a war, send Sisko.
If you want to win before a conflict even starts, send Picard.
If you just want to give up and bent over: Send Burnham :D
If you want to make a deal with the devil, drive an entire psychotic species back into their own dimension, and still have time for coffee, send Janeway.
if you want to win and have fresh sandwiches made after, send Janeway
@@staticon1976 Neelix is always ready with something to eat.
If you want to build a Federation from scratch, send Janeway.
Picard didn't kill him with kindness. He savagely beat him to death with it.
Picard did not name his sword Kindness like most would. He named it The Tongue.
TheKrensada that's a bad ass answer I read that and laughed he did he so did no one fucks with jlp
And the Klingons wouldn't have it any other way.
Accurate.
@TheKrensada Very, very well said.
I love how the Junior Agitant dismissed "gratitude" as worthless until it is offered to potential enemies.
Exactly! Backed in to a corner by gratitude!
"Make sure you have a real good reason to turn down our gratitude. I'm sure Gowron will ask what it was. And I feel even more smug pointing that out than you did just a second ago."
(It's "adjutant" but no worries. Actually, in the Klingon empire who knows haha.)
The word is adjutant. But he is an agitant isn't he?
@@hagamapama I actually thought they said "agitant" :-) Thanks
@@hagamapama Exactly my train of thought. I heard agitant, assumed that it's probably adjutant but then it kind of makes sense that the title' junior agitant' would exist in the Klingon diplomatic corps.
I love Worf in the background standing around looking bored, and then when Picard starts the line about offering help to Gowron’s rivals Worf quickly stares at him, realizes what’s happening and turns to Riker like “you seeing this shit?”
Foreshadowing perhaps... a final encounter between Worf and Gowron years later? ;)
Very well spotted, thanks
@J Kim but being far gay was so homosexual of them
😂😂 that bit it’s like Worf saying like you really taking this shit from him remind him who we are
Nice spot
For context, Picard was instrumental in getting Gowron into his position as leader of the Empire. Then once Gowron got into power he quietly rewrote the history books, eliminating any reference to the Federation helping him, putting distance inbetween himself and Picard. But Picard was having none of that crap, and gently reminded him who got him into power.
i feel like there is some kind of analogy here
@General Pershing bin laden
@@xxmeanyheadxx obama
it was so slick, it may have worked anyway, without all that history
Yes see earlier episodes for how Worf and Picard helped Gowran into power then he ignored the federation.
"That's a nice empire you've got there. Shame if something were to happen to it..." :P
That's the way Klingons prefer to be dealt with. They respect threats made from a position of strength. This one was made indirectly enough that Gowron wouldn't have felt obligated to respond with threats of his own.
I'd prefer, "Say...that's a nice empire..." just let it trail off like the T-1000 getting his new motorcycle...
ROFL!
More like: "That's one impressive throne you're sitting on. Would be a shame if you've fell from it"
I guess nobody got the Python reference
“Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip.”
― Winston Churchill
Diplomacy is congratulating someone in such a way that they panic and do everything you ask
That mfer Churchill caused many a genocide in Asia and is allegedly so drunk always that most of his speeches were written by a bloke from BBC! So spare me ur Churchill bullsh!t
Churchill - the master of the Bon mot!
@@Septimus_ii & cheerfully implying that there's a 100 % chance that an adversary will reap a possibly deserved windfall if they ignore you.
@@Romcom356
and begging americans to save him
It is Picard's last jibe that really does it for me. By ironically praising Gowron for how the Klingon Empire is prospering due to great leadership, he is pointing out the Empire is a mess, Gowron is neck deep in ugly internal politics, and thus one of his rivals being owed a favor by Picard would be a threat that cannot be ignored.
Welcome to Geopolitics 101
This is why alliances win wars!
Not "Geopolitics".
Perhaps "Spacepolitics"?
But I think "Diplomacy"would be a more precise term.
@@larsnystrom6698
Interstellar politics.
@@larsnystrom6698 Not to be confused with "Geodepolitics", which is when you're negotiating with the Crystalline Entity.
@@TheUberjammer Haha! Well pun - er, I mean, well done.
I love how Picard's actual thoughts are hiding juuuuust behind his words... i.e. "A MESSAGE?! Very well...." He's actually thinking "Listen here you little shit..."
Very rarely does he lose his temper so.
And even then his words are well measured.
well said sir! *tips hat*
Uh.. what?
Good script writing and a masterful performance from a great actor.
Picard may be French-but only an englishman reminds an enemy that the velvet glove contains an iron punch-just note how he swallows his anger at having to deal with the insolence of a very junior official
I swear, Patrick Stewart brought that show to heights nobody expected it could take.
Every scene with Patrick Stewart or Brent Spiner was a hit. No matter who else was there. Any scene without either, fell flat. Every time.
@@con_boy cant fully agree with that. It never had the same impact, sure. But the scenes with Worf and klingon politics, or the episode where Beverly had to deal with less and less people being on the ship stood out to me as well.
Granted, those episodes had phenominal writing too
@@michelvanderlinden8363 my favorite episode with her. I’ve seen the one with the ghost haunting her once and didn’t really like it.
@@con_boy bro I would watch an episode of just Barclay and none of the main cast any time.
patrick has said he only expected 13 episodes.
Whoever cast Patrick Steward as Captain Jean-Luc Picard was a genius.
why? he is just an arrogant pompous clown
True!!!!!!
Lol so NOT Gene then 😂😂
Check out the interviewabout Gene hating Picard and his oldness and baldness if you somehow havent yet, its actually eye opening and hilarious
Picard will always be the best Captain, hands down
They probably watched him in 'I, Claudius' as a captain of a Roman imperial guard and immediately concluded he would be perfect as new captain of Enterprise, because in that TV series he's basically doing the same things like in this scene.
It was Robert Justman who saw Stewart at a local stage play. He immediately knew this was the guy for Captain. Justman took Stewart to Roddenberry's house and the first impression by Roddenberry is classically told as being a horrific experience for Stewart as Roddenberry was not very nice about it all. Eventually Roddenberry was outgunned by the production and realized his lone dissenting vote would go no where so he dropped the matter and said ok to it.
The funny thing is that Picard only asked for “a” cloaked vessel. Just one. Gowron was so terrified that he sent three.
Wrong episode bro, for this he sent one
@@HRHMANSOUR And the other one the Klingons were only too happy to help if it stuck it to the Romulans.
@HIS ROYAL HIGHNESS SHEIKH MANSOUR and it was worf who made the arrangements for those
@@Frenchiesfiberfiles Worf seemingly felt dishonored for even *briefly associating* with the 24th century Klingon paper - pushing desk jockey. Adjutant or whatever, a bureaucrat is a bureaucrat.
Yeah the episode your thinking about concerns the Romulan defector. When the Romulans are about ready to destroy the Enterprise, Picard had an ace in the hole: 3 Klingon cloaked Birds of Prey on standby. 😏
Diplomacy: The art of telling someone to 'go to hell' in such a way that they look forward to the trip.
Hey, if Jean-Luc Picard was the one telling me that, I'd be jumping in headfirst.
The way I heard it was...
Diplomacy: The art of saying "Nice doggy!" while looking for a large stick.
And this is where Janeway differs, she will just literally tell you to 'go to hell'
The Sisko would have gone overboard and and said,
"This is exact-LY what the writ-ERS want! KLING-on. vers-us Federation. Federation vers-us. KLING-on! Every-ONE else against Wesl-ey."
And then you got Archer..."I appreciate your decision to not want to help us, it truly is an honor, but it doesn't look like Porthos is too happy about that choice. It looks like you are going to have to do a better job in convincing him otherwise... He really enjoys cheese."
Disclaimer, I love all these series though lol.
Yes hell... tell them that it is not cold where they are going, and that they won't be lonely.:)
Picard was the best captain for no other reason than how effortlessly Patrick Stewart makes scenes like this happen.
Elthenar Revisit TOS, Kirk has many such moments.
Cover your eyes for the first two seasons. It took a few years for Patrick Stewart to become this Picard.
Indeed, although its well established that it took some time for the writers to realise they had a legendary shakespearean actor to work with and to make the most of it. Rick Berman has said many times he had to fight Gene hard to get Stewart the role, and that he believes it is the single most important component of TNG's success.
Dominare McFakename Imagine a different actor playing Picard? Me neither. I don’t think anyone could have pulled it off nearly as well.
@@IWantToBelieve1 I am not a big Star Trek Fan, the reason to why i have started getting more interested in it is because of TNG and captain picard which i find to be one of the better characters in modern sci fi.
The most eloquent way of saying "I made you, and I can break you."
Thats pretty cool -
Picard: "Oh, you only get our gratitude"
Klingon: scoffs at it...
Picard: "Or someone else will help us... then, they... wil have our gratitude"
Klingon: suddenly feels like gratitude is the best thing since sliced bread
An ally's gratitude can help prevent another council member from burying a knife into your back or a bat'leth in your head while you least expect it.
@@fallinginthed33p Indeed. I did not mean is cynically. I believe Picard helped the Klingon see the truth. Gratitude is one of the best things there are! :-)
best thing since cold Rokeg.
Thank goodness you were there to explain it all to us … I’m certain we all would have missed hearing the speech and understanding it without you .
@@markmed9091 Not having a good day, huh?
"What did Picard have to say?"
"Basically, he wanted a cloaked ship in exchange for him not backing one of your rivals."
"Ha! That guy is the best. Get a Bird of Prey over to him, and program that Earl Grey drink into the replicators when you do."
He's French
I mean, gotta admit, a Klingon would respect hustle like that.
Lol, I can totally imagine that bugged eye klingon responding like that.
@@joshuaizly5502: Yes, Jean-Luc Picard is French, but surely you're aware that he drinks Earl Grey tea nonetheless?
@@joshuaizly5502 Earl Grey tea is his drink of choice.
"A MESSAGE?!... very well" That line killed me the way he changed attitude like ok you've done it now
@Eric Bay-Andersen It was meant to be an insult. Gowron wanted to show Picard who was the boss in their relationship. He found out.
That is like the method I was trained in: I am debating someone, they make a point, and I will suddenly AGREE with them. Then I will take the point they made and use it to destroy THEIR argument. :)
Yeah
@Anti-Federalist 1776 my english is not good. What is meaning picard asking for a vessel for gratitude????
@Anti-Federalist 1776 txs. I didnt remember picard had so much power over klingons. Yes he helped gowron in the past.
The actor playing the Klingon guy on screen wasn't bad either. The way his expression and attitude changes throughout the conversation
That's Erick Avari, who also played Kasuf in Stargate.
Love the fact they brought out the original Klingons from the Original episodes in DS9. Though I like the actor who played Koloth better as the Squire of Gothos.
he was also vedek yarka in the ds9 episode destiny
Also Master Rahool in Destiny.
@@paul16451 Bunny? Bunny Wei!
"Also, please tell Gowron that I am immensely gratified that he is prospering so well. A tribute to his skilled leadership."
That, my friends, is what is known as a verbal backhanded bitch slap.
Would be an awful shame if you were to be impaled by Worf.
Nah he punched him. He didn't feel like battling that guy to the death. Takes weeks to get it out of his uniforms abd doesn't some poor Ensign scared to death of as it is to be more afraid he'll split his wig to the white meat in front of everyone which of course he will if he fucks up but need said Ensign's confidence more than his mortal terror at the moment. His wig will be split in time.
Backhand is a PIMPslap, by definition.
BAM!
Kirk: *B-slaps his adversaries*
Sisko: *uses a Bad@$$ warship to B-slap his adversaries*
Picard: *uses some of the most intricate and sinuous comments ever contrived by mankind to B-slap his adversaries*
Damn....this why I like Picard. Even when he makes threats he's sophisticated.
He makes threats that don't look like it. He's very smooth!!!
Really is a testament to Stewart's acting because - on the surface - he doesn't look threatening at all.
Edward Woodward had the same gift in the Equalizer
Remember when he quoted Shakespeare at the Ferengi while preparing to blow their ship to kingdom come?
Yeah, he's classy as fuck.
This is a classic definitional example of chivalry - the ability to skewer someone through the guts while eloquently offering praise.
That is a Shakespearean mic drop.
It is a rare technique, the Shakespearean mic drop. Matter of fact, the only one to have done it successfully is Patrick Stewart.
Dropping a mike creates a noise that makes ur ears bleed so...dont do it.
That, and microphones are fragile and easy to knock out of calibration. Also, they are quite expensive. Please, don't do it.
Give credit where it is due, if you're gonna quote Abraham Lincoln.
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This is actually one of my favorite scenes in all of ST-TNG. It's the clever dialogue, and that smirk on Picard's face as he says "and then THEY would have our gratitude."
"I see." .... The actor's change of expression was perfectly timed.
Kirk was the Captain the Klingon respected
Picard is the one they feared
Shame we don't have a captain picard to run the world...at least shit would get done and for the most part without war.
I never heard Picard give General Order 24....
l337pwnage
what? how is that relevant to his comment?
Glenn A
It was meant for OP, I probably should've clarified that.
Sisko ain't no chump either.
I like how Riker is like, "I'm about to witness something real good.".
You know if he could Riker would have a bucket of popcorn every time Picard gets in these, moods
@@bemasaberwyn55 you need to stop sniffing your own love juice
riker is so bad ass like that.
It's times like this which were the reason Riker refused a command of his own for so long because he knew Picard still had so much to teach him which is evident in the Picard series when he's dealing with Commodore/General Oh.
He never loses his temper nor raises his voice and is more than willing to provide them with a escort back to Romulan space.
I liked Worf in the back ground. Poker face poker face poker face...."did he just?"
The best part is that Gowron was telling the Klingon people how he single-handedly won the civil war, and was erasing datafiles that included the Federation's help in the war. When Picard said that "someone else would accept his gratitude" he was basically blackmailing him. Although a guy as smooth as Jean Luc, I would call it extortion.
Picard would call what it is. _realpolitik_
To quote Bender on Futurama: "I prefer 'extortion.' The 'x' makes it cool."
I would call it "providing Gowron with an option he can not refuse"...
Captain Picard: "Extortion is such an ugly word. I much prefer bargaining with someone who owes you a favor." LOL
Picard: "Do you want me in your corner, or your competitor's corner?"
Klingon: "Sending that cloaked vessel through Amazon right now."
"EXPRESS!"
"Oh look, it's in stock at a starbase near you! It'll be there in 60 minutes or less, please don't kill us."
We'll send it to your nearest starbase...priority shipping.
Amazon Prime Directive
@@captainpharaoh Cant send to nearest starbase, need to send to Picard direclty, Klingon ships are declared hazardous because of the warp reactor on board and a few torpedos.
Picard pretty much told Gowron, "You wouldn't be on your throne if it weren't for me. If others gain my favor, you won't be on it very long."
@Anti-Federalist 1776 too much help makes a weak leader. Or people. What one does when in power must be ones own. Never let it be known that you are another's man.
No man (Klingon etc) can serve two masters...
@@seldonwright4345 You have it backwards. This isn't about masters and controlling your destiny through raw power. What Picard is talking about it political power. If one leader says they have the respect and backing of the entire federation, that's a HUGE power play.
@@NinjaSushi2 while you are correct about the political aspect, there is another aspect as well. during the Klingon civil war, (when Picard was Arbiter of Succession) Picard used a non-aggressive blockade involving tachyon beams to prevent the cloaked Romulan ships from delivering supplies to the Duras faction, allowing Gowron to defeat them. Simply put, Gowron owes Picard big time, because Picard put HIS reputation on the line when he asked Starfleet Command for permission to blockade.
very..... American. Or, Roman... or... simply, Human behavior.
@@kimraudenbush427 Not only that, but Gawlron has been rewriting History, and his propaganda makes no mention of the Federation's involvement. In order to strengthen public support for his leadership, he claims that he won the war on his own merits. Picard is not just saying "you owe me", he is actually threatening to expose the truth and throw a wrench in Gawlron's deceitful political narrative.
Sisko is the one you send when the guns are already firing.
You send in Picard when you want to keep them from pressing that button in the first place.
Nice!
And you tell Kirk to stay where he is, but he goes in anyways.
Janeway's the one you send in when you're drunk...
@@deathtoll5000x Nah. Janeway's the wild card you send in when the fight is going poorly.
And Burham is the one you send in where for some reason you want the enemy, the crew, and the entire fanbase to shake their heads and walk away in abject disappointment.
This scene is so incredible without needing explosions or uber violence, Discovery you could really learn a lot from this show
A couple of the best STNG episodes were ones where Picard was front and centre for almost the whole epsode, The Inner Light being one of them, and Darmok being the other. I love the rest of the crew too, but those two episodes in particualr were great.
I would maintain that STD could not learn from this show. If they could, they already would have.
The common factor for SJW writers is that they fundamentally do not understand the purpose and function of lore.
This is the root of all of their failings.
@@eschelar SJW? Okay grampa, the proper derogatory term now for people who care about social causes is "woke".
@@mmjahink
It's not like half a lifetime has gone by since we started using the term [woke]. 🤪😂
Your comment reminds me of dumb little kids talking about "nostalgia" in the context of less than a handful of years...fake nostalgia created by their need to be a part of things.
He may be a grandpa in your eyes, but in ours, you're nothing but a snotnosed little brat who clearly has a lot to learn. 🙃
And if you're also an adult, that's just fucking sad.🤣
@@mmjahink Well, given that they don't "care about social causes" but only give self-serving lip service designed to make themselves feel better and tell the world what good, moral people they are (which, if they actually were good people, they wouldn't need to tell everyone), "SJW" still seems appropriate then.
If I am not mistaken, the Klingons send three ships not just one. That is how much they appreciated Picard's gratitude.
No that was a different episode. The Defector. This was Unification part 1.
Worf makes an excellent receptionist.
"The Captain isn't in right now. Can I take a message?"
"No, Mr. Worf." - DENIED AGAIN!
Yes, much better than as security chief
+Website guy You never watched DS9 if you think worf cant fight
KILGONS DO NOT... RECEIVE.
No wonder he quit and left for Deep Space Nine... to work on the edge of the frontier.
My favorite Picard Owns moment was when Picard owned Q when Q made him pass out after being knocked out and told him he was dead, and that Q was God. Picard: *says chuckling* "You are not God, the universe is not so badly designed."
Give Picard a monocle and a glass of brandy; he's too classy for the Thug Life.
doctorwho0077, request denied.
Lol that was a classic lol
Lol I want to see that clip
🤣
That moment when he goes from playing games to serious and he drops that “I see” is solid gold.
Yup and he's definitely picking up what Picard is putting down. He's at least clever enough for that.
I love how Picard can be so subtle when telling someone he will destroy him utterly.
it's nerdy cringe tbh
@@jasonvoorhees5640 Maybe. But at least it's well-written and makes sense. It's head and shoulders above the whiny, childish, unprofessional, and overly emotional characters they put on starships in the newer Trek series.
@@channell11
true
One does not simply turn down gratitude from The Picard.
You accept it if you want to have him owe you a favor, you deny it if you want to wake up with your horse's head in your bed.
Picard is the man I wanted to be when I grew up.
Your a very good man as you are
How much does gratitude mean to a Klingon? Obviously a lot!
Mary Hyde, your as good as any man!
JJ Greywolf grattitude means loyalty and if you are loyal to one clan while anothe rhas rebuffed you there may be reprecusions fo rthe clan that did the jilting!! basically he just b@tch slapped the klingon!
I wantet to be Captain Kirk.
This and when he decides to clean the ship's gold plate rather than taking the call... are my favorite moments of Picard's diplomacy. I love his 'two can play that game' mentality.
“The Cresillians”?
@@Tigerman1138 The reference is back to dealing with the Sheliak [The Ensigns of Command], and the race Picard names for arbitration is the "Grizzelas", for lack of better spelling.
Riker: "JUNIOR Adjutant?"
Picard, with just the expression on his face: "The FUCK you say?"
To be ultra geeky: Gratitude goes a long way.
What Picard was really saying is:
-"A message!" = Do you know who the F I am! I am no pauper Klingon. (I represent the flag ship of the Federation that is the superpower of the galaxy.) I have come a long way.
-"Very well" = Let's dance then. Two can play at this game.
-"Tell Gawron Leader of the High council of the Klingon Empire..." = You have a very high position that you don't want to lose. A title is only a Title.
-"That his Arbiter of succession John Luc Picard needs a favour..." = I really need your help, I am helping you as Arbiter by the way if you forgot.
-"It is for a mission that could have repercussions across the quadrant" = This involves you too, so Its in your best interest to give me what I need. I'm doing your bloody work.
-"The only benefit to the Klingon Empire would be our Gratitude." = This is far more valuable than all the money we can give you. If you understand what our gratitude means. As non-monetary principles is more valuable then money.
-"Yes, and please add, that if he is unable to provide us with a ship then I am sure there are others in the Klingon Empire that will be willing to help me." = let me give you an alternative scenario if things don't go as I want them to. Your Enemy can be my benefit. Your Throne is not secure. It's just business.
-"And then they will have our Gratitude." = Now you realise what our gratitude means.
This will make your throne unsecure. And we would have lost an ally but gained another.
-"And please tell Gawron that I am immensely gratified that he is prospering so well." - Think about your position. Don't loose it. You don't want to go back to what you were before not a long time ago. The future might not be so fruitful. You have to secure that future by helping me.
-"A tribute to his skilled leadership." - I know you are stupid, you know it too. You got to power and maintain it by luck. So be a bit smarter this time. Cause luck can run out. There ain't no tribute to your leadership.
You put a lot of thought into that answer. Totally earned more thumbs up than you got. Here's a thumbs up from me.
@@rwarren58 Excellent interpretation!
Fantastic. I agree with 95% of what you said.
I think you just explained politics and diplomacy to me in a way that finally makes sense.
Why is it that everyone misspells lose anymore? Did the language change while I wasn't looking? The rouge angles of satin are after me again.
“The demands on his time are formidable”. I’m going to use that at work!
Picard: "A message?!"
Worf: Ooooooooooh shit.
"The only benefit would be our gratitude." Pure ice.
The way he pauses and growls "name" at the start is priceless - you just know he's winding up to open a can of effortlessly elegant diplomatic whoopass!
And he never uses the name anyway
one does not send a junior flunky to visit Picard.
You probably haven't seen Picard that annoyed at a subspace communication since he hung up on the Shelliak and let it ring before taking their call....
An education in, how to threaten somebody whilst being immensely nice.
Today's Lecturer: Jean-Luc Picard, Captain of the U.S.S. Enterprise, NCC-1701-D. Class is now in session.
Delivered with the perfect "Oh, I'm afraid the deflector shields will be quite operational when your friends arrive" subtext.
Jean-luc Picard: A man so elegant and sofisticated that he can make "let me speak to your manager" Karen-ing look suave af.
Dialogs like this one made STAR TREK an immortal series. A big thanks to the writers!
It's all in the emphasis and phrasing kids!
I like how the first time Picard says, "Our gratitude", it sounds simple enough, but as he goes on to explain it you feel the weight of what it is he is implying. The favor of the Federation. That is some sublime acting there!
Hearing it again you can hear the true intent of that word, "Gratitude", when he first says it. Love it!
But he screwed up lis line when he said "They will have OUR gratitude." instead of "THEY will have..."
@@tetrisdanser I understand your point, but he said it the best way.
The importance of it being "THEY" rather than Gowron who would have the Federations gratitude would not be lost on Gowron. And Picard already knew that.
He was emphasizing that "OUR" gratitude was the most important gratitude that the Klingons could earn in their corner of the galaxy.
This clip NEVER gets old.
One of Picard’s “fuck around, find out” moments.
Klingons: "We are a civilization of Warriors! We Fight with Honor!"
Also Klingons: *cloaked ships*
You can compare this to WW2 Germany or Japan. Both of them claimed to be honorable.
@Emperor Ssraeshza This wasn't really a commentary about brutality but more over their projected image. USSR was never about honor - their buzzwords were equality and peace. Japan in particular was completely all about that "honorable warriors" type of deal and Germany pretended that too.
What's perceived as honor is not universal, but depends on the culture. Our understanding of honor is hugely influenced by romanticized past.
@Emperor Ssraeshza Looks like you are just a very simple algorithm triggered to action by anyone mentioning something about Imperial Japan. Yes socialists and USSR were evil scum but that was not the original topic, was it? This logical fallacy of yours called argumentum tu quoque (or "whataboutism" in the US or "...and you are beating the blacks!" in Russia) impresses only very few people.
Not much of a trekkie but I believe the typical Klingon rebuttal to that would be, "There is no honor in defeat. Honor can be achieved only through victory, by *any means* "
He basically told Gowron that if he likes his position as leader of the council and all the benefits that go with it, then he will help them. If not, the Federation will see him deposed and the leader of one of the other houses put in his place. Isn't political intrigue a wonderful thing?
The best thing about all of this: We as the viewers know that neither Picard nor the UFP would do such a thing, but this Klingon doesn't. He played him like a pro musician his instrument.
Is the last sentence a reference to metal gear solid V?
"He played us like a damn fiddle!!"
mutalix Unlikely. That sentence has been used literally in a thousand different places for possibly several hundred years.
Of course, there is the possibility the other poster was thinking specifically the same source as you, but there is no reason to assume his choice of words was influenced by recent popculture, other than the expression being popularized again by a single source.
We cannot know if it was a reference or not, but if it would be, it could also be referencing to Sherlock Holmes, who has the habit of purposefully misleading people by choosing which information he gives and when, and also of playing the violin (fiddle).
However, the balance of possibilities is that IF we choose to take it as a reference, it is more likely that he has played a game instead of reading a book more than hundred years old. ;-)
It was not a reference to any popcultural thing, I didn't even know the saying was now connected to a popcultural product. I just simply now it as an everyday saying.
We don't "know", they shouldn't have gotten involved with the level of interference they did up to Gowron's succession to start with, we can't be certain Picard wouldn't "diplomatically" assist his downfall. Not smart to anger Picard... he may not directly attack, may even lose in a physical attack, but he can do more damage with a few speeches than most people can with a whole fleet of ships when politics and diplomatic relations are involved.
Only Picard can threaten AND compliment someone in the same sentence and make it sound so natural! LOL
The best part of this is how the shot is framed when there’s a close up of Picard. In the background you can see Riker, Work and Data, all absolutely calm and confident that their Captain is going to get this done…..
Yeah but watch Worf's reaction when Picard drops the bombshell of appealing to another Klingon faction...
Laying the smackdown while being impeccably polite. That's Picard.
finna lay dat phat downsmack yo
ahhh, the steel hand in Velvet glove
That's the way to do it! My Mom is an expert too.
i think its said iron fist.
it's star trek - that would be duranium :)
so a duranium fist in a tholian silk glove?
The Klingons know their place when Picard raises his Shakespearean Pimp Hand.
Picard: "I need a favour"
B'iJik: "A favour?"
Picard: "Terrible echo in here, I require a cloaked vessel"
B'iJik: "A cloaked vessel?"
Picard: "There it is again"
This guy could be so menacing… without ever raising his voice.
When he raised his voice, he could be frightening.
In other words: Put your daddy on the phone, little girl.
+wheelztenvy3390 underrated comment
Why "girl"? I'm pretty sure he's a male Klingon.
*Sigh* In the words of McBain from the Simpsons: "That's the joke."
Where the hell did that come from? One track mind...
Daisy, it's because Reagan is a sexist.
There is honestly no other captain in trek that holds a candle to Picards way of diplomacy. There are other captains who are great in this and that but Picard truly is a master, great writing and great acting.
Kirk is the Fighter, Picard the Diplomat, Sisko the Commander, Janeway the Arbiter, Archer the Explorer
+Rensune I'd say Sisko the Governor. He was the one who balanced the needs of his community and neighbors rather than just his crew or his mission. As a starship captain Sisko was not bad, but not great, and as a field tactician he was OK, but others did what he did better. jadzia was a better ship commander, and Worf was a better tactician (and so was O'Brien when you could get him to step forward and take the lead) But no one was better than Sisko at keeping a community strong and united.
In the end, Archer did not get much exploring done with almost every newly encounterd alien attacking enterprise or earth. He even resorted to torture and piracy. Something Picard would not even dream of....
Sisko was a moral filter of sorts. When necessary, he upheld Starfleet morals to the highest standards. When that wouldn't cut it, he'd block them and take make the personal sacrifice to resort to pragmatic methods, such as using Garak to get Romulus to join the war, knowing (at least originally on the surface of his subconscious) what the outcome of that would be. He may not have arguably been the best at those specific tasks you mention, but he was certainly the most necessary person in the position at that time. They very well may have lost the war if he hadn't been in charge and done some of the things he did, and able to do it only as a last or necessary resort without letting it drag him completely down and irreparably harm and corrupt him.
supertekkel1 Archer reported to torture and piracy during a situation where he was forced to serve as a warship and engage in an asymmetric war. He was fighting what was essentially a guerilla war. Anyone fighting that kind of war will end up doing a few things they regret. Ask Kira Nerys.
None of the other captains ever had to cope with being as severely outclassed as consistently Archer was, unlike the Enterprise ships the NX-01 was almost never the toughest ship around and was in fact usually significantly outclassed and underpowered. And half the time there wasn't even a procedure at all for what he was up against until he invented it. He spent his whole career as a guinea pig trying to figure out how humanity fit in the greater interstellar community and was making it up as he went along..
I don't care what anyone says, Picard is the best Starfleet captain ever.
Too bad SJWs working on Star Trek Picard sets out on destroying his legacy.
"Sheer fucking hubris"
No argument there
@@EmperorTyrael F*ck Kurtzmann Trek!
Kirk=/+Picard=/+Sisko=/+Janeway... there is literally no way to make one superior to the other. Its impossible .
@@EmperorTyrael I cant believe I witnessed Commander Starfleet say such hogwash in the face of one of the greatest heroes in Federation history. My blood boiled when I watched that "scene"...This is the man who bled crimson amd blue to resist the Borg and endured the fallout of the destruction that was wrought when they broke him. The man who educated a Klingon on the tenets of ethics and conflicts of interest. Took the helm when Enterprise was caught in a 1000 year old booby trap designed by a race destroyed long ago. Reminded us that Temba had his arms wide. And that Sokath had his eyes uncovered. The beast at Tanagra. Reminded Kirk that he has a duty, even while within the Nexus. Reminded Scotty that he is relevant. Kicked Riker in the ads to take Command...I could go on forever
The passive aggressiveness in this scene breaks the scale! Lolol
And it does so by saying: "If you want to measure this passive agressiveness on a scale, you would have my gratitude by buying a bigger scale next time." x)
Picard making a threat feel so real by having it sound so ... nice.
The best threat ever delivered. Nuanced, yet menacing.
Yes, and Picard put in the dirty work to be able to talk like this - and get the respect from the Klingons that he deserves
I love the “I see”. He understood very well really quickly.
“You will have our gratitude.”
“Gratitude? Psh! What do we want with your gratitude?”
“Fine, then. Perhaps someone ELSE would like our gratitude.”
“…Oh wait, did you say GRATITUDE? Shit, baby, we ALL about the gratitude up in here!”
Just hearing the voice of Picard and Worf makes me happy
Goddamn. This show - a SCI-FI show no less made diplomacy look cool. Riker: "You enjoyed that...." Picard: "You're damn right."
@kayemm86 My bad. But yeah. Picard's diplomacy was awesome. He made my generation of Trekkies grow up so fast and not in a Kirk way either. Now, he's like the ultimate father figure for the thinking man Trekkie.
Are you familiar with Babylon 5?
@@dynamicworlds1 Sheridan is more Kirk than Sinclair but has his badass diplomacy moments too
Picard speaks English not American. It was 'You're damned right'
@@dopiaza2006 LMAO. What a pompous asshole remark
Its 2021...Captain Jean Luc Picard is still my role model
I've watched this scene so many times over the years because it's a personal favorite and really sums up Jean Luc Picard as a person you don't want to fuck with BUT how did I just notice for the first time that Picard goes out of his way to ask Worf for the man's name AND THEN NEVER USES THE NAME TO ADDRESS HIM
Awesome, "speaking between the lines" is a lost art. Inference, inflection and innuendo are classic English verbal dueling techniques.
What an eloquent way to describe manipulation and deceit.
Anthony Wayne Not necessarily manipulation and deceit. In my opinion, it's dressing sarcasm or threats in a classy and civilized manner.
pseudowolf
The musical score kicking in the background adds a bit of inflection too. . .
Manipulation, yes, deceit, no. Deceit is to say one thing to a person and mean another in order to full them. Manipulation is to say things in such a way as to get your way, whether the other person recognizes it and is forced to act accordingly or misses it altogether and gets fooled. Manipulation can be deceitful, but not all manipulation is deceitful. Instead, deceit is inherently manipulative.
A threat can be veiled in such a fashion that the other party cannot assert you were not being polite. Pickard pretty much told the other party that they are willing to cooperate with others (with all the implications such a course of action carries) if Gowron is not willing to cooperate with them. He didn't insult him, and he didn't say they will cooperate with others regardless of what happens.
Which is exactly why I hate it
Be clear, so that no miscommunication can take place and everybody knows what you stand for. Don't deceive, manipulate, and leave room for interpretation that you can use against someone later. Basically, be honorable, not a coward.
I'm not Starfleet material. I'd have said, "Give me the fucking ship or I'll beam down my robot & have it tear off your heads."
Given that it's a Klingon, that might work.
Yeah, I think that's what Klingon's call "Diplomacy".
You're definitely Starfleet material!
I appoint you new ambassador to the Klingons!
I predict immense effects immediately!
Nah, you're just less of a Picard and more of a Kirk.
& yet that wording would have made him sound Klingon, it probably would have worked as well.
Ahhh ... when Star Trek had thoughtful, connected and intelligent writing. Those were the days.
And they are sorely missed....
i dno about that their have been some amazing new scenes.
@@dangelnut Yeah, "some" and "scenes" being the keywords here, in comparison to whole episodes and even complete story arcs, heck, even complete series.
I get that. Not with mutiny and weeping outbursts every five minutes.
Now they would be throwing a tantrum an using the F word, instead such skill of diplomacy, where Picard threatens the Klingons with a calm smile.
The look on the Klingon's face as Picard utters the last line is priceless
As I recall, Picard is equally fluent in Klingon as Worf, and if you need cussed out in Klingon, you will be thoroughly dressed down.
More than any other captain, Picard was an impeccable ambassador and diplomat, and was very adept at political leverage. That last little bit, "a tribute to his skilled leadership," was a reminder that in fact Gawron owed quite a bit of his current status to Picard's assistance.
He is flueant in multiple alein languages including klingon
qu' janluq HoD 'ej vabDot janluq HoD luvuv tlhIngan wo'
... and JavaScript.
ElPayasoMalo ... I don’t know what’s sadder; the idea that you know Klingon, or the idea that you took the time to copy and paste it from somewhere else on the internet. Good luck in the future my man, you’re going to need it.
butt vISop 'ej Quch vIHtaHbogh mum 'oH
"... and then they would have our gratitude"
"I see"
Cracks me up every time, where DS9 trumps with a strong sense of real stakes, TNG always had the upper hand in dialog thanks to Stewards delivery^^
Well said. In a movie or in TV, it is the sense of things which make it worthwhile for the viewer. In this Picard reminds of the real stakes in play, much higher than most things in DS9, except the dominion war of course, but it doesnt FEEL so important. A fight with less than dozen participants may feel like a huge thing, or the future of Quarks casino hangs in balance and it has drama, but when Picard throws a casinochip worth tens of thousands of sentient lives on the table, he must do it like James Bond so it would have some drama in it.
Reminds me of West Wing. A friend of mine called it boring, because nothing ever happened in it. Another called it too exciting because of personal experience in politics.
Yeah, DS9 owes most of its appeal for me to it feeling like astar trek version of Babylon 5.....and of course to Odo/Quark/the Cardassian tailor^^
@@KurasoraMutalampi never saw west wing but I love Designated Survivor. Keifer Sutherland really delivers. I think that his performance here trumps-see what I did there- his performance in 24.
Meh, Stewart is best but for overall cast, DS9 had it all over TNG.
Picard made writers want to write high quality things for him to say.
Picard's skill at diplomacy is kind of terrifying.
Can't see this scene often enough! Still makes me grin like an idiot every time.
You could actually hear the screen sizzle with the burning of this adjudant...
Not really a Star Trek fan but I can appreciate a master at his craft
quiet a mystery here, you can appreciate the craft, but not a star trek fan?? is that even possible? lol
@@Lauren080508 It doesn't matter. He is a fan, but refuses to admit it. And also, anyone who is not a Star Trek fan, is beneath you, by orders of magnitude.
@@Lauren080508 I can appreciate things that Star Wars does, and I love the memes it created, but I'm in no way a Star Wars fan.
Everyone else brings guns. Picard brings words.
Edit: for everyone saying "he also brings guns", you are completely missing the point of it. Yes, he has guns, so does his enemies, but he, chooses words at all times and only resorts to guns in a finality. Given the choice, picard will always choose to talk. Terrible that I have to explain this to start trek fans. Aren't we supposed to be the slightly smarter geeks?
And he wins.
and Guns
Ahh, not familiar with the corbomite maneuver eh? No guns, and up against a completely technically superior adversary. Kirk stands above the rest.
He's rather like (most incarnations of) the Doctor in that respect.
Jammsbro nah...he brings his bald chromy head..that's what he brings
It's great writing and acting that enables a scene like this to surpass all expectations of just how good ST is. Bravo Capt Picard!!
This is exactly why Patrick Stewart is now an well known Hollywood movie star
He was an accomplished Shakespearean actor way before this series was made.
+Reubenofthedead Shakespearean actors aren't generally known by the general public as are Hollywood stars, so his point was a valid one.
Trimere Not to the American public, perhaps, but certainly the British.
+Reubenofthedead that's what I just said basically.
If I remember correctly being known for his stage work became mainstream once he stared on TNG
Universal translator: "My support MADE Gowron the Chancellor, and my support can just as easily make SOMEONE ELSE the Chancellor..."
Captain Picard knew how to handle that situation perfectly:Using tact, precise wording, and, at the end-A compliment!
It worked like a charm!
"It is the _junior adjutant_ to the diplomatic delegation."
"Junior adjutant."
"Name?"
"Does it matter?"
"His name is 'Bitch'. He is Junior Bitch now."
Picards tone said"Junior ? who is this upstart wannabe shit ?Put his ass onscreen!"
To be able to veil such a threat without making it seem as such...Picard is a MASTER of the cultured, silver tongue.
This seems like the proper tone and conversation that donors might have for politicians that win their office. Basically, remember who helped put you in office.
Immediately after Picard comes in with the perfect delivery of the perfect line here, this Klingon junior adjutant’s 8-chambered heart immediately sunk down into one of his 2 stomachs 😅
Jean Luc has his Vito Corleone moment. Nice.
We have Don Corleone. In Picard's case, we have Duc Picard "Duc" is the French equivalent of "Don"
still sounded very gay to me
Dee Jay
I'm guessing that EVERYTHING sounds gay to a closeted fruit-loop as yourself
Dee Jay you got owned that quick
LIBERALGUNSMOKER
engage your brain mutant
Picard understands how to talk with Klingons like an absolute boss.
I love the way he’s walking around being boss lookin like a biker after a drink.
Picard's unflappable cool (and the great writing behind TNG), will always be my 'role model' whenever confronting a 'sticky' situation.
This is why he isnt invited to play poker
gordon christie he always had an open chair he just never attended till the final episode.
@@brandonporter8509 Because no leader should ever put themselves in a position to take from their subordinates. And if you ever thought Picard wasn't skilled enough to take in a game of poker, you need to rewatch this scene a few more times.
@@traviscecil3903 Is it a bad time to note, they ... don't exactly have money or anything of apparent value going around in these poker games? Just bragging rights from what I can tell.
@@kereminde No. Fine time. Sometimes bragging rights are enough for a leader to avoid taking.
@@traviscecil3903 that was a powerful line in episode 1 of band of brothers when they introduce Buck Compton and Winters is scolding him for playing with the men and he mentions what’s the deal I was getting to know them and besides I lost “what if you won?” Stops Buck in his tracks as he thinks and Winters follows up with the “never put yourself in position to take from these men…” that is leadership
If you ever wanted to see a visual demonstration of the word PWN, this is the definitive video.
That might be the most light hearted klingon ever from his tone and facial expressions
It's kind of funny how Picard, as the captain of a single ship, could call up heads of state for entire Star Alliances/Empires, etc. I guess being the rock-star captain of the Federation's flagship has its perks.
This is what makes a badass captain. Not flying around killing planets or punching an alien or being all psycho militant, just bending the Klingon high command to his will with a few words.