Love what you’re doing Jake👍. Definitely learning along with your tinkering, and problem solving, which ultimately leads to my understanding of bare bow and my own personal experience with this fun discipline as well…..I’m so grateful and a big fan ( subscriber ) of yours 😎🏹🏹👍Thanks Brotha
One other thing to consider when cutting barebow arrows, by cutting the arrow, you're bringing the point (Aim reference) closer to you. This would mean that by aligning the point of the arrow to the yellow, you would have to stringwalk further to actually shoot while on yellow. Which might be an argument for reducing the bows performance by having to shoot more "asymmetrically" on the limbs. So you'd have to tune the tillers more. Just something to consider! Fantastic video as always!
Great video, Jake. I got a kick out of your new tab. I modified the Terry Laney tab (pre-KLS) years ago. The latest version of my tab plates are laser etched for BB and for like a glove.
When you get into the weeds of the technical aspects of the sport, I often have to put the video on pause to work out the details in my mind. But by working through those details, I achieve a firm understanding of the dynamics of archery. It is definitely worth the trouble. As an aside want to bring up something that you have mentioned in several past videos and that is that string walkers need to purchase arrows stiffer by a factor of 100-150 from what may appear in a chart. I understand the logic of it, but have you tested this out? I would do it myself, but my accuracy is insufficient to be able to rely on the results. It seems that all you would need to do is to alternate between shooting split or three under and then string walking at the same distance. The tune and arrows would not change. Thank you.
Jake. Thank you for the book "Tuning For Performance." I purchased two as gifts and one for myself. For target panic. You might try a nice Ben Person 333 or 337. Some fiberglass arrow. Some friends equally armed, a couple three or four hula hoops, on a sandy beach. Chase the rolled hoops with an arrow on the run. I look forward to the bear 🐻 bow book.
Interesting video. I just built my RX7's 23's after a lot of hesitation. I heard they were difficult to tune, which held me back. But then some second hand ones came along. MAN was I surprised. I shoot them 45lbs @28,5" of draw with 220grain points. Bareshaft they tune a fair bit stiff. But they tune way better than expected and they seem insanely forgiving except for bowarm drop. Ironically they give me a better shot-feel than my carbons which tune perfectly fine, but feel extremely punishing on 18m.
N8ce to see a new Barebone Tune Video. 👌 I have some issues myself to Tuner my zniper arrow rest. The bareshafts always hitting low, with the nock point also really low. And the wire from the rest is destroying my lower fether. 😵💫
Hi Jake, love these type of videos as I learn alot about barebow tuning through your tinkering. At 14:33 when the bare shaft flew up, you said the nock is still super low and the arrow is starting to go weaker which is expected. Can you elaborate please, why would moving the nock higher cause the arrow to fly weaker?
if your nocking point is too high or too low, the full power of the bow is not going into the arrow so it will act stiffer. the closer he gets to the right nocking point, the more power that goes into the arrow, making it act weaker.
Hi, i was bored of using a viewver, then back to barebow with different arrows (2,3" vanes and 4" feathers) i never used a clicker, i count from draw and i release at 5 or 6 indoor my 800 spine with feathers are absolutely the best at 20 and 25 meters, fast stabilisation and nice silent flight (i use silencers on my string) !
Could you do a video on the different ways that target panic can manifest? I find the term very broad and vague, and I still don't feel like I understand the term... and I've been shooting 4 years now.
Consider the RX7-21s or even 22s; you can cut them shorter and/or with lighter points and with the 21s you are only losing 1/64" of line catching radius.
So what are you planning on for competition, just out of curiosity? Are you going to just command shoot, or go back to the grip sear? I have the same dilemma as I have super bad TP also and can't command shoot at all. And, my setup is olympic style recurve except for a d-loop & release aid, which is only legal in the freestyle unlimited classes. I'm wondering if I should even bother with competing, since I absolutely love this setup, but my only choice is to compete with the compounds with scopes/stabs/peeps/etc.
Hi Coach (new archer in Scotland, and you've taught me everything so far), what's the plan for competing without the clicker? Could you try moving in on the target from the side with the trigger being when you reach the centre?
This would be the shortest way to target panic. Your brain wants to send the arrow once it looks "ok" - no matter if you are ready or not... ("Hm, he always lets go of the string, when it looks more ore less like this. I can speed that up for him.") Aiming is just one step on the way in your shot process. Execution - in a controlled way - a different one, later on. Never bring those 2 together! Let the aiming picture never become your trigger for execution!
I'm not sure how you can separate sight picture and execution. I used to be a damn good shot with small and full bore rifles. Take up the first trigger pressure, aim, squeeze through the second pressure while on target. Why would archery be any different? Are you a coach?
@JakeKaminskiArchery You say "shooting a heavier point (than 100gn) on the RX7 defeats the purpose of the RX7". Could you please elaborate why? What is "the purpose" of the RX7?
Hey Jake, I recall that you've tested a string clicker before. Would that be suitable for your target panic rather than using a standard clicker for barebow?
If you watch the previous video I explain why the arrow clicker is best... what it does it forces me to not shoot it too early since there is a big punishment to letting go too soon. The string clicker is the same as a grip/tab sear where if you let go too early there is no punishment (a miss or going far right like it is on a normal clicker)
@@JakeKaminskiArchery Ah, okay. Thank you for clarifying. The thought popped into my head as you also mentioned in the previous vid about the clicker visually being in the way. Judging by your amazing shots, that's no longer an issue for you?
Yes Jake these types of videos are just fine mate. Your voice ain't a problem, so chill 😁. This felt like an organic and still informative approach.
I love how you’re always exploring new setups and improving your gear. Keep the awesome content coming, Jake! 💯
If you hadn't told us about your treatment, we wouldn't have known. Thanks for posting!
Of course we want to see your barebow tuning journey! And all the little things that crop up along the way like your tab hack.
Yes, I really enjoy videos like this Jake. I'm looking forward to more just like it. Thanks!
Keep up the barebow content. It’s great information!!!
Hey Jake… love this content… your thought process as you go is super interesting as it’s what we all go through when tinkering
We like.
Quality video as usual.
Thank You!
Love watching this type of video, keep them coming 😊
Love what you’re doing Jake👍. Definitely learning along with your tinkering, and problem solving, which ultimately leads to my understanding of bare bow and my own personal experience with this fun discipline as well…..I’m so grateful and a big fan ( subscriber ) of yours 😎🏹🏹👍Thanks Brotha
We love you dude you just keep doing you and we will watch :)
Like the Barebow material. Keep it up.
Very Helpful - keep them coming!
One other thing to consider when cutting barebow arrows, by cutting the arrow, you're bringing the point (Aim reference) closer to you. This would mean that by aligning the point of the arrow to the yellow, you would have to stringwalk further to actually shoot while on yellow. Which might be an argument for reducing the bows performance by having to shoot more "asymmetrically" on the limbs. So you'd have to tune the tillers more. Just something to consider! Fantastic video as always!
That is part of the fun (challenge) of barebow that I am wanting to further explore
No worries about the speech at all mate. Be glad you've never had jaw surgery 😄 I'll add my vote to having the tinkering videos.
Very interesting, thanks for taking us along. Looking forward to the black dempeners in EU to arrive.
Double thumbs up👍👍
Great video, Jake. I got a kick out of your new tab. I modified the Terry Laney tab (pre-KLS) years ago. The latest version of my tab plates are laser etched for BB and for like a glove.
That’s what these leathers are from, Terry made me a few plates and I have one of my old tabs made by him that is incredible comfortable
Good job. Interesting
When you get into the weeds of the technical aspects of the sport, I often have to put the video on pause to work out the details in my mind. But by working through those details, I achieve a firm understanding of the dynamics of archery. It is definitely worth the trouble. As an aside want to bring up something that you have mentioned in several past videos and that is that string walkers need to purchase arrows stiffer by a factor of 100-150 from what may appear in a chart. I understand the logic of it, but have you tested this out? I would do it myself, but my accuracy is insufficient to be able to rely on the results. It seems that all you would need to do is to alternate between shooting split or three under and then string walking at the same distance. The tune and arrows would not change. Thank you.
Jake. Thank you for the book "Tuning For Performance." I purchased two as gifts and one for myself. For target panic. You might try a nice Ben Person 333 or 337. Some fiberglass arrow. Some friends equally armed, a couple three or four hula hoops, on a sandy beach. Chase the rolled hoops with an arrow on the run. I look forward to the bear 🐻 bow book.
I wish you could produce a tab similar to that for sale as your next product to release. I'd buy one of those in a heartbeat.
Interesting video, I'm a strictly Trad, instinctive archer, but I'm interested in watching what goes into 'barebow'.
Interesting video.
I just built my RX7's 23's after a lot of hesitation. I heard they were difficult to tune, which held me back. But then some second hand ones came along.
MAN was I surprised. I shoot them 45lbs @28,5" of draw with 220grain points. Bareshaft they tune a fair bit stiff. But they tune way better than expected and they seem insanely forgiving except for bowarm drop.
Ironically they give me a better shot-feel than my carbons which tune perfectly fine, but feel extremely punishing on 18m.
Come to Lancaster!!!!
N8ce to see a new Barebone Tune Video. 👌
I have some issues myself to Tuner my zniper arrow rest.
The bareshafts always hitting low, with the nock point also really low.
And the wire from the rest is destroying my lower fether. 😵💫
Hi Jake, love these type of videos as I learn alot about barebow tuning through your tinkering.
At 14:33 when the bare shaft flew up, you said the nock is still super low and the arrow is starting to go weaker which is expected. Can you elaborate please, why would moving the nock higher cause the arrow to fly weaker?
if your nocking point is too high or too low, the full power of the bow is not going into the arrow so it will act stiffer. the closer he gets to the right nocking point, the more power that goes into the arrow, making it act weaker.
Thanks @@toddaway, that makes sense.
Hi,
i was bored of using a viewver, then back to barebow with different arrows (2,3" vanes and 4" feathers)
i never used a clicker, i count from draw and i release at 5 or 6
indoor my 800 spine with feathers are absolutely the best at 20 and 25 meters, fast stabilisation and nice silent flight (i use silencers on my string) !
Could you do a video on the different ways that target panic can manifest? I find the term very broad and vague, and I still don't feel like I understand the term... and I've been shooting 4 years now.
Consider the RX7-21s or even 22s; you can cut them shorter and/or with lighter points and with the 21s you are only losing 1/64" of line catching radius.
I also have a Yost Tab and added a layer of goat skin leather. Can you go into detail about the type of leather you recommended?
Please do a review of the Elite archery recurve
Great, are you planning to join barebow competition?
Your opinion of the Easton tuning guide?
Jake, have you seen the Solid grip trigger from RMS Gear? seems like a good option for a barebow clicker
Have you tried the Zniper Tab before?
So what are you planning on for competition, just out of curiosity? Are you going to just command shoot, or go back to the grip sear? I have the same dilemma as I have super bad TP also and can't command shoot at all. And, my setup is olympic style recurve except for a d-loop & release aid, which is only legal in the freestyle unlimited classes. I'm wondering if I should even bother with competing, since I absolutely love this setup, but my only choice is to compete with the compounds with scopes/stabs/peeps/etc.
Hi Coach (new archer in Scotland, and you've taught me everything so far), what's the plan for competing without the clicker? Could you try moving in on the target from the side with the trigger being when you reach the centre?
This would be the shortest way to target panic. Your brain wants to send the arrow once it looks "ok" - no matter if you are ready or not... ("Hm, he always lets go of the string, when it looks more ore less like this. I can speed that up for him.")
Aiming is just one step on the way in your shot process. Execution - in a controlled way - a different one, later on.
Never bring those 2 together! Let the aiming picture never become your trigger for execution!
I'm not sure how you can separate sight picture and execution. I used to be a damn good shot with small and full bore rifles. Take up the first trigger pressure, aim, squeeze through the second pressure while on target. Why would archery be any different? Are you a coach?
I did not know that yost tabs were starter tabs, huh?
@JakeKaminskiArchery You say "shooting a heavier point (than 100gn) on the RX7 defeats the purpose of the RX7". Could you please elaborate why? What is "the purpose" of the RX7?
lighter, faster arrow
@@toddaway not always what you want at 18m!
@@michaelhenschel4356 true for a gap shooter, but why not if you string walk?
@@toddaway because a smaller crawl is better than a bigger crawl
WHEN AM I GETTING MY JAKE WEIGHTS
Hey Jake, I recall that you've tested a string clicker before. Would that be suitable for your target panic rather than using a standard clicker for barebow?
If you watch the previous video I explain why the arrow clicker is best... what it does it forces me to not shoot it too early since there is a big punishment to letting go too soon. The string clicker is the same as a grip/tab sear where if you let go too early there is no punishment (a miss or going far right like it is on a normal clicker)
@@JakeKaminskiArchery Ah, okay. Thank you for clarifying. The thought popped into my head as you also mentioned in the previous vid about the clicker visually being in the way. Judging by your amazing shots, that's no longer an issue for you?
You need to try real BB by shooting off the shelf without the rest and button. I love it because off the shelf is so honest.