iRacing is a world in itself. I exist im my little corner of low power formula cars on tight twisty tracks. This channel is like watching a travel video about distant lands with strange customs. Love it.
@Fitch93 he said something worthy of being called a racist troll and still protested someone else? I don't think so. Based of all his crazy ass replies on Twitter i don't think he ever breaks a single communication rule. The guy who was reported by him also seemed to suggest it's a completely different guy that's entire thing is being a racist troll, not the guy who's entire thing is being a protest psychopath
@@landonmurray3814 Nick Olsen is the guy who was protested. Source? I was in the race Just a bunch of second split NIS drama I’m glad I’m not involved in.
That serial protestor's been doing that for as long as he's been around, and he's been around since *Day One!* I'm surprised this story is only now gaining traction 💀
@@NASCAR_Junkoh god. That guy? He’s a real douche in the Facebook group too. I blocked his ass on Facebook with him coming around and pretending to be an admin all the time.
I was one of the drivers that topped the college Time Attack before the cheese really started cheesing. I got a .575 and the Playfly discord was wondering where the time was. I decided to tell everybody that I was doing long runs instead of making any effort of help tire temps. Before I made the comment, I thought that I just got a really good/precise run, but people were floored by my lack of tire conservation, and in a couple days I was well below the A-main cut. Tinsley's discovery is straight-up mad though, and having to do 120+ lap run goes against the nature of the college series, and I hope a better qualifying solution is found and implemented. The programming for lap-avg time trials is already in iRacing, and I feel like a long run with wear and fuel drain is the best representation of driving skill for a single car run. Maybe 50% of a stint.
I've been saying for a while that time attacks need fuel usage to limit the continuous amount of time you can spend on track to limit tire cheese. It's been a part of every single time attack I've done for different esports competitions and it's always annoying to figure out what the trick is this time around. Kudos to Wyatt for sharing. Hot and cold laps are the way to go for most road TAs for anyone that sees this. FWIW I believe it's all about building up core temp then getting surface temp down. Part of it also comes down to not having tire wear enabled so the combo of no fuel and no tire wear leads to some silliness.
Speaking of reading the sporting code : that was a great charity event. Hopefully we can spin up some sort of new charity event before the end of the year.
I ALWAYS run races in iRacing with voice off. I find, in general, people are VERY quick to anger and it just throws me off when I'm trying to concentrate. And I never get yelled at!
iRacing not being clear with their sporting code affects more than just voice chat. It makes sense for unsafe rejoins to be protestable, but it's not explained anywhere: it could be, easily. Flashing your headlights at someone "to distract them" is against the sporting code and has been punished - I can understand the rationale, but it's not explained anywhere. Weaving to intentionally spray water in someone's face IS allowed - it seems like it could be argued either way, they've picked a side and are entitled to do so, but it's one that lacks clarity. SO much could be solved by them just explaining the the rulings they've made in a clear document - it doesn't have to be in the sporting code text if necessary, they could easily publish an addendum that covers cases that have been asked about or tested before. People have tried to argue when I've said this that "they can't possibly cover every single thing possible, do you want them to say that passing is legal??" - but iRacing are smart and capable of working out what questions have been asked before and what situations have been tested. This would improve the experience for everyone.
On the road side it's a good idea to protest unsafe rejoins and blocking because that ruins the racing, but I've never seen that on the oval side (I mean moving in reaction to a car overtaking). Hell if an oval driver tried that they'd get punted to Mars 😂
@@Raugi yeah, totally, and also in superspeedways were folk go onto the grass and then come on again without looking... but it's way more common on the road side. Not a race goes by in GT4 without at least one unsafe rejoin. I make a point of watching the carnage after the race ("next incident") and report all of them because I race a regular timeslot each day and it's the only way to get a handle on it.
@@fommil what i struggle with in oval is blocking. In NASCAR it's a done thing and expected, but do iracing see it the same way? or will i get banned. same way as i saw on their ig the posted a bump and run, but i fi were to do that and got protested im sure i'd be in trouble
@@James-jf2cl nah it's iRacing rules not NASCAR rules. But iRacing is very specific about what a block is, it's really clear on the sporting code. In NASCAR all kinda of things are called blocks and some are also ok in iRacing. Basically as long as you don't move in reaction to the car behind then you're good.
This guy is just like a reddit mod. Just sits there obsessively protesting people in races left and right for every perceived slight or offense. They care more about people saying no-no words on voice chat because it's easy for them to enforce and it's an easy way for them to act like they accomplished something. Someone needs to go make some software like Trading Paints that replaces the iRacing voice chat just so that it won't be a part of the service and will be out of their jurisdiction. Oh, and just like a reddit mod - he does it for free.
If it’s the same guy that was mentioned in another comment he’s a nightmare in the Facebook group too. I blocked him so i wouldn’t have to deal with his admin LARPing.
WOAH WOAH I’m taking part in the eNASCAR College iRacing Series, the cheese was so delicious that you made a video on it??? tho I feel honored you are covering this 🙏🏽 but man I was going to make video on this from a student perspective 😔
I remember talking about this within the past year. There are some people in the sim community (not just IR) who genuinely use protests as a hurt feelings report and don't see the bigger picture of how anti-social it all is. This also means you yourself have to engage in this sort of thing as well, otherwise you end up just taking it in the arse over and over again for mild language or other non-issues.
Those people are the same guys that do the stupidest of crap as revenge, an example of this a few weeks ago when there was street stocks at USA On lap 2 some guy gets the bumper let's call him Crybaby, crybaby gets ran up and overreacts with the car, spinning out. This bonehead decides to wait a lap and try to take me out, I was in third place doing nothing, after the race I file a protest (I never do this) Later that week I look him up on the iRacing app, this dude is still racing, never got a ban or nothing, I can give a name to him if y'all want, we need an example out of him.
Same. It's just better to not interact with other racers at all outside of just driving against them or risk getting reported for something outlandish because they're upset that you beat them in the race or something and look for any means to exact revenge.
First half of the vid is by far the most involved bit of cheesing I've seen. Second half is interesting. Please provide an update as to how long it takes for you to get protested for this, we should run a sweepstake on it. I have 20 hours til you receive the email from iRacing.
Finally something I know about before watching one of your videos! I was protested by the serial protester! For saying “Jesus Christ you guys suck” after the field randomly crashed on a straight lap 1 of an Indy 500 I did and then some dude that started from the pits slammed into me waiting for the track blocker to clear 30 seconds after the wreck happened. He used that weird formulaic “please correct this” format which was so weird to me, guess I know why now since he protests literally everything and doesn’t have the time to properly write out a sentence for each one. Bro needs to get a life and iRacing needs to mute all his protests.
What kind of person has the time to have a "protest spreadsheet?" It used to be such a massive pain in the ass and an unreasonably huge amount of time spent just to do one protest, it's marginally easier with the UI, but just the fact that anybody would spend time pretending they're the iRacing head janitor for even the most minor of insults seems kind of unhinged to me.
@@eclark9965 Not "hard" necessarily, just time consuming. Idk if its still like this now but there at least used to be a certain amount of time that had to pass after the race finished to file a protest.
tis true i added MR DJ Yee-J on IRacing and joined a race to watch at concord in Arca season 3 2024 you got hit by somebody you were upset but just told them something something about taking it more serious or something like that but never cussed so can confirm man does not cuss at people even when angered
They said I said something that offended someone. I asked what I said because what offended them, might not offend others. I asked how was I supposed to know what not to say if I am not told what I said to get the ban. They wouldn't tell me. I ended up having to appeal. I was finally told exactly what I said. I will admit I earned that chat ban lol.
Unfortunately we live in an era where we have to tip-toe around what may or may not be interpreted as "offensive" or "hurtful", to the point where it's just better to not interact with people at all for risk of getting in trouble for something out of left field. Racing, along with any other competitive sport, is aggressive by nature. Emotions and tensions rise, and it's just better to not even interact at all with other people especially in high emotional states because even if an individual is initially in the wrong with what they say or how they say it, if you respond in kind you open yourself up to being the one reported and penalized regardless of what the other person said or did in the first place.
Simple way to fix the Time Attack situation. Set a 2 lap limit per run. How does iracing put this system in? Idk, but I'm sure they can figure it out. I'm sure people in iRacing aren't overly thrilled that is the best way to run a fast lap for a Daytona Time Attack. Like more power to you if you run the amount of laps to do it, but it 100% shouldn't be like this. This isn't a test of skill, it's a test of patience, and that goes against everything a Time Attack is, but having a time attack for Daytona is just dumb overall, and there has to be a better way to pick 40 college student for the main event. How do you address that, idk, but hopefully iRacing does something about it. The whole protest situation is just a whole bag of worms. Like the "racist troll" getting you punished is insane tbh, and iRacing left it so up in the air to what is and isn't ok it just leaves everyone confused. You see these voice chat things get punished, and then you see some of these on track things that clearly should get punished, but don't. It just leaves everyone confused, and the whole protest system is just not working how it should. I don't know how many people iRacing has doing protest review, but if there are multiple people it is up to whoever is review that case, and how they interpret the sporting code, and this just leads to inconsistency in the whole system. Much like you I mostly only protest intent wrecking. I will also protest stuff like wall riding/ bouncing of the wall for a clear advantage ( from experience this is like a 50/50 if they actually get punished, which is insane to me personally). I would only protest voice chat if was really extreme, but everything we are seeing from this person protesting is honestly really odd. It's not cool to be harassing the guy doing this, and some of it is way over the line imo. I disagree big time with what he is doing, but it comes down to the fact that the protest system is flawed and needs a complete rework, and the sporting code needs a rework too. He isn't really making the community better, he just making people mad and confused, because we have no idea how the system even works anymore.
What’s stupid is. When a driver gets mad when someone close to you actually took him out. But blames you, especially when you were leading when he plowed into you and got disqualified
Going with the hotkey stuff and people being little crybabies about everything, I have a custom hot key that is literally "Middle Finger Out The Window ,,l,," :D
Submitting that many protests is truly so time consuming I don't think people not on the service can understand how much time is dedicated for him doing this. Especially on top of time spent actually racing.
For that hotkey "Shut up, crazy fool" it is about the A-Team, Mr. T said it all the time. Youngins get the Google-foo going to find out who Mr. T was ;-)
0:57 What if I told you there was a very sizeable collegiate iRacing league also open to alumni alongside students, with its own decent prize pool and not an awful cheesy qualifying process? 👀
I’m glad you decided to call out the cereal protester as I’ve been hesitant to do it on air. But now that you’ve approached the subject I think we’ll talk about it on the podcast.! Lol
Actual conversation: "I'm gonna protest you, Drew!" *I finish the race* "Hey, sorry, I did what I could to avoid crashing but do you have any ideas what I could have done better? Sorry if I was actually at fault." "Oh, let me watch the replay..." "Oh you really didn't do anything. Sorry Drew." Not all chat is offensive. I won't protest anyone who apologises, does it by accident, etc. I did protest one person - he told me on voice chat that he was trying to put me into a horrible wall.
I was doing a Grand Prix Tour race, back in the days of the W12 and these three or four guys spent the whole race just casually chatting about everything that wasn’t the race we were in 😂 it was really annoying 😂 I like hearing some of the chat but it ain’t worth that!
i got a chat ban while under a chat ban. i asked iracing how thts possible they answered not sure and then kept the ban on me... i have all the emails still......its goin on a year now its dumb..
@@Fitch93 yea it's not the first time I've been arguing with them. They've put me at fault for a lot of things I shouldn't have been tagged with. I don't even send replays or reports anymore because of the B's calls. They're admin are gonna be the downfall the game is alright just the people behind it aren't..
I immedately disabled voice-chat the day it got introduced and I disabled text-chat (while driving) in my first year. There's nothing ever helpful coming out of anyones mouth after an incident. Still reading too many "how much fuel I need" on the grid... If I really fuck up, after I finished the race, watched the replay, I write a PM. Have not filed more than five protests in roughly 1000 races in over ten years. It's not worth the effort and the bubble of drivers is so small in the higher formula series, there's hardly ever a reason.
4:08 i have been pleeding with enascar and iracing to change for format foor the ss races for 2 years now saying it is not the way to do it but nope they never listen
Absolute joke how people turn more laps pre-qualifying than the number of laps the event itself is. Used to see it often in big league races on the road racing side. Sucks all the realism out of it when trying to eke out the last thousandth of a second, for hours on end. Name one real race series where you can do 161 qualifying laps… My opinion, it should be a maximum of 3 clean timed laps - do all the private testing you want, but 3 chances to perform under pressure and really sort out who’s best.
It would sort out who's best and who's lucky. me and you both can think of at least one situation where we qualified for a race alot higher than the pace we are capable of. Then you get to play the game of "don't get run over"
@sprolyborn2554 Also gives the more time-poor people a chance to get in. Remember it's just pre-qualifying to make the event - not the race itself. Still have to replicate the lap in the race session, so getting run over isn't an issue. The 'lucky' ones would qualify down the back and have to rely on strategy.
An iRacing staff member said in the forum a while ago that it was "obvious" what was a clear example of "foul language". I strongly disagreed and still do. Note: this wasn't one of the staff members who was regularly handling the protests.
Do people not realize that _compared_ to other games, and even other sims, iRacing VC and text chat is some of the friendliest? Compared to most communities, iRacing is a lot better; and who really cares if there's a swear one or two times during a race? Plus VC is optional anyways. :D
As for this protesting fellow: this was funny for me to learn about, since the main reason I remember him is the couple of times he intent wrecked me. I regret not protesting him now.
im literally on the 3rd week of a month long voice/chat suspension, and i believe it happened in NASCAR A race if i recall... im by no means a top split player but it was super-late in the morning in my timezone, so there was only a small total of entries... this is really interesting and a bit concerning
@@jimharvey205 if you have the email from iRacing you’ll be able to tell if it’s him, he always uses the same “please take action to correct this abusive behavior”
My problem with cheese stuff like this is I'm a bit conflicted. If we want sim racing to be taken seriously by real racers, they look at things like this and point out how unrealistic everything is in every simulator. And while the sim probably can't ever truly be 1:1 with real life, stuff like this kills that even more. At the same time, those same real life racing people do absolutely anything to their car in the gray areas of the rules to get the same amount of small gains. It's just based in the real world, and therefore real physics lol It's the same concept in both instances, just applied in a different way. Do I think people should cheese things in iRacing at the end of the day? Of course not. The idea is we're all signing up for a simulator that others are going to also treat like real life. But there are people that don't have a real life these days lol So you end up with these people that just know way too much about a video game because that's all they do
Love the vids! Got me into iracing and im addicted. I promise to never abuse cheese presented in these videos, unless its mini stocks. No rules there. (edit after watching) I think the cursing thing is so crazy, i mean i get it, but cursing is in so many peoples vernacular that it just blends into normal language till they make a point to emphasize what words they really want you to hear. iRacing should chat ban people who cuss out people, but thats about as far as i would go with it.
Jacob Klein, a guy who only has 17 wins in over 1200 starts. No wonder he's so pissed. With others on the track, it's a viable winning strategy in his mind😂😂
"Shut up, You Crazy Fool" is an homage to the character of B.A. in 80s TV series 'The A TEAM'. If you think this is bad language, you are too weak to run the human race.
Why dont they do it just like the qualifying round in road racing. two laps. that's it. the car's gonna be cold for everybody, and you have to do the best with that you got. Just two laps.
Turning off voice chat is the way to go honestly... however, i like to keep it on so i know when people are about to intentionally wreck eachother in front of me so i can be ready... and when the lobby is actually cool to eachother it makes the game far more enjoyable than just sitting in silence
He thinks of himself as some kind of Unofficial "iRacing employee" He has even applied for jobs at iRacing. This has been a problem for a while sadly. And as long as the virtual stewards keep accepting Cankles' protests, it's gonna keep going on. Absolutely hypocritical of him to do this all the time too, when there's a clip floating around of him saying someone else is "trolling."
"THAT USED TO BE" You said it yourself. Use some introspection. Calling someone a troll is toxic and isn't needed. They do not have the hotkey anymore for a reason.
The serial protester is my good friends co-worker.....And from what he tells me he is even worse to work with. Plus the guy likes this attention btw. I seen the messages where hes happy hes becoming famous.
If you have a spreadsheet with hundreds of protests, then you need to re-evaluate. And let's be honest somethings in the sporting code like swearing you should be lenient on and not report them because they let one slip.
he has a spreadsheet.. he has .txt documents for every single protest. all he has to do is copy paste add a few details .." he is a racist troll"... and the name of the person and send it in.... lol
@@DJYeeJaythanks for the reply, i understand that aspect of it but it does take away from those who found it out on their own. All that work just for everyone to get told anyways. I know you weren’t the one who started that though
Why not just make qualifying events, you know, qualifying events. 2 laps and done. You want to do more? Go back out for another 2 lap run as many times as you want. I don't blame iRacing for having a physics problem when people are looking 2 hours deep into a session to see if things start to get weird. Just keep it simple with qualifying procedures
If iRacing had "mature" races where they were very lax on the voice chat rules I think they would become the default. I love the shit talking and the joking about. I would absolutely adore seeing better drivers where it's actually allowed or even encouraged to banter, swear, anything of that sort. Sure they can keep the teddybear rooms if they want that option but let's not entirely kill a fun part of the game over it. You can still punish racism and unacceptable extremes whilst allowing moderate banter. Top racers just have a shit talking type of personality - let's embrace it.
Go to any real race track in the country, and buy a pit pass. Count how many times you hear the word "fuck" in just the first hour you're walking around lmao Racing people have foul mouths. That's been known forever lol
join a league, tho the one im in goes for a more pg13 casual comm with its own protest systems to keep overt toxcity out of it, you can still banter and the racing is much cleaner, had a 80 lap daytona race with no cautions (except the stage break) sunday
In regards to protests, I was hanging with you until your last statement. Chat is there for a reason and should not have to be turned off to avoid hearing folks break the rules. If anyone should be using a button, it's the folks getting protested. Set a PTT so that you say all your naughty words without pushing it, and then use it after the naughty words are done. Aside from that, there are a couple of ways to fix this, either people stop breaking the rules OR iRacing changes the rules. Which do you think will be easier? I am not saying I agree with what is happening. What i do believe is that we all agreed to the rules when we signed up (as you correctly mention during your segment on this subject). Just be adults and play by the rules and all this goes away.
@@DJYeeJay negative toe. Max camber. Etc etc it's all gimmicks that if you don't use them it costs you. Hope that the cheese gets moldy soon if you catch my drift
Nim and his team have always been the softest people in the world when it comes to chat. They care infinitely more about some somewhat vulgar words infinitely more than the quality of race craft and it's honestly demoralizing. I don't care if someone calls me the worst word in the world. I care about people driving with zero respect.
They have definitely been known to play favorites over the years and overstepping bounds. Banning folks for things they said on Facebook is peak loser behavior by the ir stewards.
Usually you can´t use text and voice features for a few weeks if this happens, so? What is the gain? Nothing! I turned of voice and text messages mostly, cause it didn´t help any of my driving. Just focus on your race and swear all the words you wan´t to your wheel and screen. Don´t have to transmit them to other drivers.
“Are you making iRacing a better and more enjoyable place?” is exactly why I disagree with your choice to not protest voice chat abuse. do I protest ALL voice chat shenanigans? No, but far too much of it is beyond the pale. Do I find myself calling someone a “f-ing idiot” after an unsafe rejoin causing an incident? Yes, but that’s why I don’t race with a live mic. It *is* a competition issue, not just because it’s distracting, but because it’s toxic, intimidating, agressive antisocial behavior. PS, great vids & keep up the good work!
@@jonathanmurdock4700 you’re right. It does make iracing a better place to protest someone who is attacking someone. I really don’t like protesting people for casual conversation though if it’s not hurtful
I think it's the difference between a protest for calling someone a "fucking idiot" and someone just saying "fucking nice!" about a good battle. Both are protestable, and both will likely result in a chat ban. But one is just harmless cursing in good faith, and the other is an actual attack on someone else.
Whoever keeps a protest spreadsheet needs a life. BTW, can I be protested if I flame someone, but don't actually know who I am flaming? 🤔😄 This post isn't even negative. I am giving positive advice to... someone.
Gosh if stuff like this upsets you turn off that chat. Been if the work environment for over 5 decades you’ll been in for an eye opening about life. IMO
iRacing is a world in itself. I exist im my little corner of low power formula cars on tight twisty tracks. This channel is like watching a travel video about distant lands with strange customs. Love it.
I caught some eNascar drivers killing their iRating in our Daytona 24 hr race. I almost never protest, but cheating is something I do not tolerate.
By the way A+ content as always man 🩵👍🏻
I won the bottom split, I also like to play baseball with little league and crush home runs while I watch them cry like a boss
Thank you for taking the time to file that! Everyone should be doing their part, whether they’re directly affected or not.
Daytona 24 is a road race. Oval Irating doesn’t apply.
It certainly was entertaining the way almost the entire split turned against those guys.
I dedicated a chat mute button on my wheel. I can shut everyone up in one push. It’s the best thing I’ve ever done
This is THE best advice I can give anyone starting in iRacing: map a mute button to your wheel lol.
I don't even have voice chat turned on. I didn't know it was there. I wonder if I ever get yelled at on it an I don't even know lol. Oh well
have never had mine on. I apologize or bitch at people, but I have no clue what they say to me. couldn't care less
How open he was to protesting that guy who called a racist a "racist troll" was TRULY boggling to me
it was because it was directed at HIM...He was being the Racist Troll, so he protested it.
@@Fitch93 oh so Jacob Klein is racist? All right people should report him on site then just like Jason Jacoby.
Nick Olsen?
@Fitch93 he said something worthy of being called a racist troll and still protested someone else? I don't think so. Based of all his crazy ass replies on Twitter i don't think he ever breaks a single communication rule. The guy who was reported by him also seemed to suggest it's a completely different guy that's entire thing is being a racist troll, not the guy who's entire thing is being a protest psychopath
@@landonmurray3814 Nick Olsen is the guy who was protested. Source? I was in the race
Just a bunch of second split NIS drama I’m glad I’m not involved in.
That serial protestor's been doing that for as long as he's been around, and he's been around since *Day One!* I'm surprised this story is only now gaining traction 💀
And he brags about it
Is it Jacob Klein?
@@NASCAR_Junkoh god. That guy? He’s a real douche in the Facebook group too. I blocked his ass on Facebook with him coming around and pretending to be an admin all the time.
@@NASCAR_Junkyes
@@NASCAR_Junk no way he's in so many of my races. literally so fucking many lol. idk why but i remember him being a turd
Oh boy, can’t wait to find out. He’s going to report you for this even though he’s the one in the wrong
I was one of the drivers that topped the college Time Attack before the cheese really started cheesing. I got a .575 and the Playfly discord was wondering where the time was. I decided to tell everybody that I was doing long runs instead of making any effort of help tire temps. Before I made the comment, I thought that I just got a really good/precise run, but people were floored by my lack of tire conservation, and in a couple days I was well below the A-main cut. Tinsley's discovery is straight-up mad though, and having to do 120+ lap run goes against the nature of the college series, and I hope a better qualifying solution is found and implemented.
The programming for lap-avg time trials is already in iRacing, and I feel like a long run with wear and fuel drain is the best representation of driving skill for a single car run. Maybe 50% of a stint.
I've been saying for a while that time attacks need fuel usage to limit the continuous amount of time you can spend on track to limit tire cheese. It's been a part of every single time attack I've done for different esports competitions and it's always annoying to figure out what the trick is this time around. Kudos to Wyatt for sharing. Hot and cold laps are the way to go for most road TAs for anyone that sees this. FWIW I believe it's all about building up core temp then getting surface temp down. Part of it also comes down to not having tire wear enabled so the combo of no fuel and no tire wear leads to some silliness.
Speaking of reading the sporting code : that was a great charity event. Hopefully we can spin up some sort of new charity event before the end of the year.
I ALWAYS run races in iRacing with voice off. I find, in general, people are VERY quick to anger and it just throws me off when I'm trying to concentrate. And I never get yelled at!
Anyone that races knows it’s probably Jacob Klein…
Did you know that ‘Klein’ translates to ‘small?’
iRacing not being clear with their sporting code affects more than just voice chat. It makes sense for unsafe rejoins to be protestable, but it's not explained anywhere: it could be, easily. Flashing your headlights at someone "to distract them" is against the sporting code and has been punished - I can understand the rationale, but it's not explained anywhere. Weaving to intentionally spray water in someone's face IS allowed - it seems like it could be argued either way, they've picked a side and are entitled to do so, but it's one that lacks clarity. SO much could be solved by them just explaining the the rulings they've made in a clear document - it doesn't have to be in the sporting code text if necessary, they could easily publish an addendum that covers cases that have been asked about or tested before. People have tried to argue when I've said this that "they can't possibly cover every single thing possible, do you want them to say that passing is legal??" - but iRacing are smart and capable of working out what questions have been asked before and what situations have been tested. This would improve the experience for everyone.
On the road side it's a good idea to protest unsafe rejoins and blocking because that ruins the racing, but I've never seen that on the oval side (I mean moving in reaction to a car overtaking). Hell if an oval driver tried that they'd get punted to Mars 😂
You can protest unsafe rejoins in oval as well though, when people just do a 180 after spinning without checking if cars are coming up.
@@Raugi yeah, totally, and also in superspeedways were folk go onto the grass and then come on again without looking... but it's way more common on the road side. Not a race goes by in GT4 without at least one unsafe rejoin. I make a point of watching the carnage after the race ("next incident") and report all of them because I race a regular timeslot each day and it's the only way to get a handle on it.
@@fommil what i struggle with in oval is blocking. In NASCAR it's a done thing and expected, but do iracing see it the same way? or will i get banned. same way as i saw on their ig the posted a bump and run, but i fi were to do that and got protested im sure i'd be in trouble
@@James-jf2cl nah it's iRacing rules not NASCAR rules. But iRacing is very specific about what a block is, it's really clear on the sporting code. In NASCAR all kinda of things are called blocks and some are also ok in iRacing. Basically as long as you don't move in reaction to the car behind then you're good.
This guy is just like a reddit mod. Just sits there obsessively protesting people in races left and right for every perceived slight or offense. They care more about people saying no-no words on voice chat because it's easy for them to enforce and it's an easy way for them to act like they accomplished something. Someone needs to go make some software like Trading Paints that replaces the iRacing voice chat just so that it won't be a part of the service and will be out of their jurisdiction.
Oh, and just like a reddit mod - he does it for free.
If it’s the same guy that was mentioned in another comment he’s a nightmare in the Facebook group too. I blocked him so i wouldn’t have to deal with his admin LARPing.
WOAH WOAH I’m taking part in the eNASCAR College iRacing Series, the cheese was so delicious that you made a video on it??? tho I feel honored you are covering this 🙏🏽 but man I was going to make video on this from a student perspective 😔
I remember talking about this within the past year. There are some people in the sim community (not just IR) who genuinely use protests as a hurt feelings report and don't see the bigger picture of how anti-social it all is. This also means you yourself have to engage in this sort of thing as well, otherwise you end up just taking it in the arse over and over again for mild language or other non-issues.
Those people are the same guys that do the stupidest of crap as revenge, an example of this a few weeks ago when there was street stocks at USA
On lap 2 some guy gets the bumper let's call him Crybaby, crybaby gets ran up and overreacts with the car, spinning out. This bonehead decides to wait a lap and try to take me out, I was in third place doing nothing, after the race I file a protest (I never do this) Later that week I look him up on the iRacing app, this dude is still racing, never got a ban or nothing, I can give a name to him if y'all want, we need an example out of him.
meaningless words from someone who used swastika liveries on iRacing and didn't understand why they were banned for it.
Unfortunately, this is just another way in which some people on iR behave like WoW addicts...
1+ to that, real silly stuff.
meaningless words from someone who used sw*stika liveries and was shocked when they got banned for it.
There’s a reason actual NASCAR drivers can’t talk over the radio to each other unless they’re teammates I think
No driver communication whatsoever
@@BakaVHS not in a very long time. Thats why when people start crying about talking during the race I just laugh.
I haven’t even bothered with turning voice chat on and I would not have a key bound for push to talk even if I did. Best decision ever.
Same. It's just better to not interact with other racers at all outside of just driving against them or risk getting reported for something outlandish because they're upset that you beat them in the race or something and look for any means to exact revenge.
First half of the vid is by far the most involved bit of cheesing I've seen. Second half is interesting. Please provide an update as to how long it takes for you to get protested for this, we should run a sweepstake on it. I have 20 hours til you receive the email from iRacing.
Just another reason why I just keep my mic shut off.
Finally something I know about before watching one of your videos! I was protested by the serial protester! For saying “Jesus Christ you guys suck” after the field randomly crashed on a straight lap 1 of an Indy 500 I did and then some dude that started from the pits slammed into me waiting for the track blocker to clear 30 seconds after the wreck happened. He used that weird formulaic “please correct this” format which was so weird to me, guess I know why now since he protests literally everything and doesn’t have the time to properly write out a sentence for each one. Bro needs to get a life and iRacing needs to mute all his protests.
What kind of person has the time to have a "protest spreadsheet?" It used to be such a massive pain in the ass and an unreasonably huge amount of time spent just to do one protest, it's marginally easier with the UI, but just the fact that anybody would spend time pretending they're the iRacing head janitor for even the most minor of insults seems kind of unhinged to me.
its so easy now u don't have to record a video or whatever u used to have to do u can just crop the replay and send it in
Jacob Klein apparently
It’s never been hard to protest.
@@blxebxrry3that’s always how it’s been as far as i know and I’ve been on since 2013
@@eclark9965 Not "hard" necessarily, just time consuming. Idk if its still like this now but there at least used to be a certain amount of time that had to pass after the race finished to file a protest.
I always wish ppl good luck before a race
No! That jinxes it 😆
tis true i added MR DJ Yee-J on IRacing and joined a race to watch at concord in Arca season 3 2024 you got hit by somebody you were upset but just told them something something about taking it more serious or something like that but never cussed so can confirm man does not cuss at people even when angered
5:33 i have never heard Justin scream like that ever
They said I said something that offended someone. I asked what I said because what offended them, might not offend others. I asked how was I supposed to know what not to say if I am not told what I said to get the ban. They wouldn't tell me. I ended up having to appeal. I was finally told exactly what I said. I will admit I earned that chat ban lol.
Unfortunately we live in an era where we have to tip-toe around what may or may not be interpreted as "offensive" or "hurtful", to the point where it's just better to not interact with people at all for risk of getting in trouble for something out of left field. Racing, along with any other competitive sport, is aggressive by nature. Emotions and tensions rise, and it's just better to not even interact at all with other people especially in high emotional states because even if an individual is initially in the wrong with what they say or how they say it, if you respond in kind you open yourself up to being the one reported and penalized regardless of what the other person said or did in the first place.
Simple way to fix the Time Attack situation. Set a 2 lap limit per run. How does iracing put this system in? Idk, but I'm sure they can figure it out. I'm sure people in iRacing aren't overly thrilled that is the best way to run a fast lap for a Daytona Time Attack. Like more power to you if you run the amount of laps to do it, but it 100% shouldn't be like this. This isn't a test of skill, it's a test of patience, and that goes against everything a Time Attack is, but having a time attack for Daytona is just dumb overall, and there has to be a better way to pick 40 college student for the main event. How do you address that, idk, but hopefully iRacing does something about it.
The whole protest situation is just a whole bag of worms. Like the "racist troll" getting you punished is insane tbh, and iRacing left it so up in the air to what is and isn't ok it just leaves everyone confused. You see these voice chat things get punished, and then you see some of these on track things that clearly should get punished, but don't. It just leaves everyone confused, and the whole protest system is just not working how it should. I don't know how many people iRacing has doing protest review, but if there are multiple people it is up to whoever is review that case, and how they interpret the sporting code, and this just leads to inconsistency in the whole system. Much like you I mostly only protest intent wrecking. I will also protest stuff like wall riding/ bouncing of the wall for a clear advantage ( from experience this is like a 50/50 if they actually get punished, which is insane to me personally). I would only protest voice chat if was really extreme, but everything we are seeing from this person protesting is honestly really odd.
It's not cool to be harassing the guy doing this, and some of it is way over the line imo. I disagree big time with what he is doing, but it comes down to the fact that the protest system is flawed and needs a complete rework, and the sporting code needs a rework too. He isn't really making the community better, he just making people mad and confused, because we have no idea how the system even works anymore.
What’s stupid is. When a driver gets mad when someone close to you actually took him out. But blames you, especially when you were leading when he plowed into you and got disqualified
Going with the hotkey stuff and people being little crybabies about everything, I have a custom hot key that is literally "Middle Finger Out The Window ,,l,," :D
Submitting that many protests is truly so time consuming I don't think people not on the service can understand how much time is dedicated for him doing this. Especially on top of time spent actually racing.
It really only takes less than two minutes to file. Spreadsheet work would double that time though . Lol
@@lazagna you still gotta wait 30mins in between tho, absolutely insane behavior for every race
@@lazagna well, I do move a little slow.
@@uLWillyG I guess that's where Spreadsheets came in initially for him.
For that hotkey "Shut up, crazy fool" it is about the A-Team, Mr. T said it all the time. Youngins get the Google-foo going to find out who Mr. T was ;-)
Instructions unclear, I just protested Mr. T
@@DJYeeJay better look out cause nobody messes with Mr. T
0:57 What if I told you there was a very sizeable collegiate iRacing league also open to alumni alongside students, with its own decent prize pool and not an awful cheesy qualifying process? 👀
I’m glad you decided to call out the cereal protester as I’ve been hesitant to do it on air. But now that you’ve approached the subject I think we’ll talk about it on the podcast.! Lol
Is he also against cornflakes and froot loops? :D The story is evolving!
He literally avoided calling them out. If you don't name drop racist trolls you're making the wolrd a worse place.
Actual conversation:
"I'm gonna protest you, Drew!"
*I finish the race*
"Hey, sorry, I did what I could to avoid crashing but do you have any ideas what I could have done better? Sorry if I was actually at fault."
"Oh, let me watch the replay..."
"Oh you really didn't do anything. Sorry Drew."
Not all chat is offensive. I won't protest anyone who apologises, does it by accident, etc.
I did protest one person - he told me on voice chat that he was trying to put me into a horrible wall.
ive had voice chat turned off since the second day on the sim. listening to people yell at each other is so distracting and irritating
I was doing a Grand Prix Tour race, back in the days of the W12 and these three or four guys spent the whole race just casually chatting about everything that wasn’t the race we were in 😂 it was really annoying 😂
I like hearing some of the chat but it ain’t worth that!
i got a chat ban while under a chat ban. i asked iracing how thts possible they answered not sure and then kept the ban on me... i have all the emails still......its goin on a year now its dumb..
Same thing happened to me a few years ago, when I pointed it out, they just let the current one expire and that was it, weird they tacked onto yours.
@@Fitch93 yea it's not the first time I've been arguing with them. They've put me at fault for a lot of things I shouldn't have been tagged with. I don't even send replays or reports anymore because of the B's calls. They're admin are gonna be the downfall the game is alright just the people behind it aren't..
Unless it’s racist ir flat out bullying I won’t report because most I racers are adults and we can’t control them.
Looks like the guy wants to get rid of everyone so he can run solo races and win. 😅
This has nothing to do with the video but do you have to match the pedals with the wheel? Or in some cars do you not have to
I immedately disabled voice-chat the day it got introduced and I disabled text-chat (while driving) in my first year. There's nothing ever helpful coming out of anyones mouth after an incident. Still reading too many "how much fuel I need" on the grid... If I really fuck up, after I finished the race, watched the replay, I write a PM. Have not filed more than five protests in roughly 1000 races in over ten years. It's not worth the effort and the bubble of drivers is so small in the higher formula series, there's hardly ever a reason.
Rules being vague, welcome to the world of motorsport 🤣...great vid mate 🤙
I think voice chat is off by default because I've never turned it off, and I've never, not even once, turned it on.
The eNASCAR college series and the way they do qualifying is an absolute joke, but then again it’s run by NACE so it being a joke was guaranteed
Your protest sum up is so on point.
6:13 *looks at pfp*
Not surprised in the least he would say that
4:08 i have been pleeding with enascar and iracing to change for format foor the ss races for 2 years now saying it is not the way to do it but nope they never listen
i don't normally like drama but when i do, i want it extra *SALTY* 😂
my middle name is PROTESTERINO
Absolute joke how people turn more laps pre-qualifying than the number of laps the event itself is. Used to see it often in big league races on the road racing side. Sucks all the realism out of it when trying to eke out the last thousandth of a second, for hours on end. Name one real race series where you can do 161 qualifying laps…
My opinion, it should be a maximum of 3 clean timed laps - do all the private testing you want, but 3 chances to perform under pressure and really sort out who’s best.
It would sort out who's best and who's lucky. me and you both can think of at least one situation where we qualified for a race alot higher than the pace we are capable of. Then you get to play the game of "don't get run over"
@sprolyborn2554 Also gives the more time-poor people a chance to get in. Remember it's just pre-qualifying to make the event - not the race itself. Still have to replicate the lap in the race session, so getting run over isn't an issue. The 'lucky' ones would qualify down the back and have to rely on strategy.
An iRacing staff member said in the forum a while ago that it was "obvious" what was a clear example of "foul language". I strongly disagreed and still do. Note: this wasn't one of the staff members who was regularly handling the protests.
Do people not realize that _compared_ to other games, and even other sims, iRacing VC and text chat is some of the friendliest? Compared to most communities, iRacing is a lot better; and who really cares if there's a swear one or two times during a race? Plus VC is optional anyways. :D
There's no such thing as bad publicity
Time attack on ss should be set to one lap max in a single attempt but still have multiple tries
As for this protesting fellow: this was funny for me to learn about, since the main reason I remember him is the couple of times he intent wrecked me. I regret not protesting him now.
im literally on the 3rd week of a month long voice/chat suspension, and i believe it happened in NASCAR A race if i recall... im by no means a top split player but it was super-late in the morning in my timezone, so there was only a small total of entries... this is really interesting and a bit concerning
@@jimharvey205 if you have the email from iRacing you’ll be able to tell if it’s him, he always uses the same “please take action to correct this abusive behavior”
Really the best option for all racers is to unbind your push to talk button
My problem with cheese stuff like this is I'm a bit conflicted. If we want sim racing to be taken seriously by real racers, they look at things like this and point out how unrealistic everything is in every simulator. And while the sim probably can't ever truly be 1:1 with real life, stuff like this kills that even more. At the same time, those same real life racing people do absolutely anything to their car in the gray areas of the rules to get the same amount of small gains. It's just based in the real world, and therefore real physics lol It's the same concept in both instances, just applied in a different way. Do I think people should cheese things in iRacing at the end of the day? Of course not. The idea is we're all signing up for a simulator that others are going to also treat like real life. But there are people that don't have a real life these days lol So you end up with these people that just know way too much about a video game because that's all they do
Love the vids! Got me into iracing and im addicted. I promise to never abuse cheese presented in these videos, unless its mini stocks. No rules there. (edit after watching) I think the cursing thing is so crazy, i mean i get it, but cursing is in so many peoples vernacular that it just blends into normal language till they make a point to emphasize what words they really want you to hear. iRacing should chat ban people who cuss out people, but thats about as far as i would go with it.
Pokémon and iRacing, what an unusual combo
i’ve been trying to set a good lap to make it into the races for the college series and it is ROUGH
Jacob Klein, a guy who only has 17 wins in over 1200 starts. No wonder he's so pissed. With others on the track, it's a viable winning strategy in his mind😂😂
Lets gooo new video and its a banger.
College iRacer here (Drexel represent), can confirm: The cheese is real. It is straight up PARMESAN
Let's just hope the press is enough to get them to change something
Best iRacing channel for sure
They had to wait for you to graduate to give other students a chance.
Who has time to find all these janky exploits?
"Shut up, You Crazy Fool" is an homage to the character of B.A. in 80s TV series 'The A TEAM'.
If you think this is bad language, you are too weak to run the human race.
Why dont they do it just like the qualifying round in road racing. two laps. that's it. the car's gonna be cold for everybody, and you have to do the best with that you got. Just two laps.
The day I get chat ban for saying "where did you learn how to drive temu" is the day ill edit this message
Turning off voice chat is the way to go honestly... however, i like to keep it on so i know when people are about to intentionally wreck eachother in front of me so i can be ready... and when the lobby is actually cool to eachother it makes the game far more enjoyable than just sitting in silence
He thinks of himself as some kind of Unofficial "iRacing employee" He has even applied for jobs at iRacing. This has been a problem for a while sadly. And as long as the virtual stewards keep accepting Cankles' protests, it's gonna keep going on. Absolutely hypocritical of him to do this all the time too, when there's a clip floating around of him saying someone else is "trolling."
"THAT USED TO BE"
You said it yourself. Use some introspection. Calling someone a troll is toxic and isn't needed. They do not have the hotkey anymore for a reason.
@@SuperTimeStretch I’m pretty sure the only people that would say calling someone a troll is toxic are trolls themselves cause what
DJ doesn't curse on iRacing?!?! this must be fake news!
I'm beginning to think this protest guy also serves on an HOA board.
You know who, has just protested you for this video.
The serial protester is my good friends co-worker.....And from what he tells me he is even worse to work with. Plus the guy likes this attention btw. I seen the messages where hes happy hes becoming famous.
If you have a spreadsheet with hundreds of protests, then you need to re-evaluate. And let's be honest somethings in the sporting code like swearing you should be lenient on and not report them because they let one slip.
How about if you call someone a potato over chat you can get a VC ban but the forums let you call a post a potato and no repercussions...
Hi Joe!!!
@@JDMcHaley Is that THE J.D. McHaley?! OMG OMG OMG!!!!!
he has a spreadsheet.. he has .txt documents for every single protest. all he has to do is copy paste add a few details .." he is a racist troll"... and the name of the person and send it in.... lol
This is interesting to post while it’s still going on
@@Jake_Cummings I rushed it out. Gotta give everyone a shot cause it’s not gonna be fixed by Wednesday
@@DJYeeJayso you’re saying the maintenance update on Wednesday will fix the cheese?? 🤨
@@DJYeeJaythanks for the reply, i understand that aspect of it but it does take away from those who found it out on their own. All that work just for everyone to get told anyways. I know you weren’t the one who started that though
Turning off voice chat was the best decision I ever made in iracing.
I'm really unable to understand why would anybody have voice chat switched on by default... but that's just me
I know who it is!
Who?
Not this DJ video again. what a troll smh. ❤
Why not just make qualifying events, you know, qualifying events. 2 laps and done. You want to do more? Go back out for another 2 lap run as many times as you want. I don't blame iRacing for having a physics problem when people are looking 2 hours deep into a session to see if things start to get weird. Just keep it simple with qualifying procedures
If iRacing had "mature" races where they were very lax on the voice chat rules I think they would become the default. I love the shit talking and the joking about. I would absolutely adore seeing better drivers where it's actually allowed or even encouraged to banter, swear, anything of that sort. Sure they can keep the teddybear rooms if they want that option but let's not entirely kill a fun part of the game over it. You can still punish racism and unacceptable extremes whilst allowing moderate banter. Top racers just have a shit talking type of personality - let's embrace it.
Go to any real race track in the country, and buy a pit pass. Count how many times you hear the word "fuck" in just the first hour you're walking around lmao Racing people have foul mouths. That's been known forever lol
join a league, tho the one im in goes for a more pg13 casual comm with its own protest systems to keep overt toxcity out of it, you can still banter and the racing is much cleaner, had a 80 lap daytona race with no cautions (except the stage break) sunday
In regards to protests, I was hanging with you until your last statement. Chat is there for a reason and should not have to be turned off to avoid hearing folks break the rules. If anyone should be using a button, it's the folks getting protested. Set a PTT so that you say all your naughty words without pushing it, and then use it after the naughty words are done. Aside from that, there are a couple of ways to fix this, either people stop breaking the rules OR iRacing changes the rules. Which do you think will be easier?
I am not saying I agree with what is happening. What i do believe is that we all agreed to the rules when we signed up (as you correctly mention during your segment on this subject). Just be adults and play by the rules and all this goes away.
I will abuse the cheese Justin. If you ever played a battlefield game you would abuse the cheese too
@@mbgmadbull1141 at this point you gotta to make it
@@DJYeeJay negative toe. Max camber. Etc etc it's all gimmicks that if you don't use them it costs you. Hope that the cheese gets moldy soon if you catch my drift
I refuse to cheese...
Unless it's provolone.
@@JDMcHaley tbh I prefer pepper jack or some gouda. provolone is like the taylor swift of cheese imo
@@mbgmadbull1141 ohhh you.... you.... you're lucky I like pepper jack and am too distracted.
Nim and his team have always been the softest people in the world when it comes to chat. They care infinitely more about some somewhat vulgar words infinitely more than the quality of race craft and it's honestly demoralizing. I don't care if someone calls me the worst word in the world. I care about people driving with zero respect.
Nim is the ultimate Reddit mod
They have definitely been known to play favorites over the years and overstepping bounds. Banning folks for things they said on Facebook is peak loser behavior by the ir stewards.
Usually you can´t use text and voice features for a few weeks if this happens, so? What is the gain? Nothing! I turned of voice and text messages mostly, cause it didn´t help any of my driving. Just focus on your race and swear all the words you wan´t to your wheel and screen. Don´t have to transmit them to other drivers.
OK what’s this guys name so I can look out for him?
Jacob Klein
I got protested for saying douche,
fresh video, nice.
Yo I was in that race with Nick. I know exactly which driver it is
“Are you making iRacing a better and more enjoyable place?” is exactly why I disagree with your choice to not protest voice chat abuse.
do I protest ALL voice chat shenanigans? No, but far too much of it is beyond the pale. Do I find myself calling someone a “f-ing idiot” after an unsafe rejoin causing an incident? Yes, but that’s why I don’t race with a live mic.
It *is* a competition issue, not just because it’s distracting, but because it’s toxic, intimidating, agressive antisocial behavior.
PS, great vids & keep up the good work!
@@jonathanmurdock4700 you’re right. It does make iracing a better place to protest someone who is attacking someone. I really don’t like protesting people for casual conversation though if it’s not hurtful
I think it's the difference between a protest for calling someone a "fucking idiot" and someone just saying "fucking nice!" about a good battle. Both are protestable, and both will likely result in a chat ban. But one is just harmless cursing in good faith, and the other is an actual attack on someone else.
Whoever keeps a protest spreadsheet needs a life. BTW, can I be protested if I flame someone, but don't actually know who I am flaming? 🤔😄
This post isn't even negative. I am giving positive advice to... someone.
I’ve been protested for “flaming” an entire lobby so yes lol, but it’s by the clown in this video so not sure if it actually counts
Talking about iRacing voice chat... With a Larson banner behind you... Oh the irony
I did 2 laps and it’s silly to cheat to get just .3 seconds
Gosh if stuff like this upsets you turn off that chat. Been if the work environment for over 5 decades you’ll been in for an eye opening about life. IMO
This is why I only play AI cant stand the toxic kids n old dude