Wow! This is an incredible message...I was sexually abused by my father for over a decade. I am 60 years old and have lived in silence, shame and relational dysfunction my entire life--that is until this past year. My journey through Celebrate Recovery has allowed me to talk about it, remember it, begin to feel again, and allow the healing balm of Jesus to heal me. For so long I didn't feel, I stopped wanting, I lived in two worlds-who I was on the outside and who I was inside. Now I even feel the love of Jesus--He is my defender, my redeemer, and my healer!!! Woo Hoo!!
I understand that. I was 25 when I remembered. I am now 42 and still single. I did 8 years of counseling. Lots of inner healing and deliverance. I can only say that Jesus is only one who can heal. You never heal completely on earth but you will be free.
I’m glad to see a Pastor address this issue; I was sexually abused as a child Beth Moore and Kay Warren express so powerfully my journey THROUGH my pain, struggles and setbacks of being sexually abused.
I'm 6 months in the valley of the same happening to my daughter. I can't live yet my spirit strives everyday. I pray everyday to find hope I'm so grateful to stumble upon this after really low feelings yet worship and humbleness to God. Jesus please heal us all in the comments ❤️
This has opened my eyes in my journey of healing,I was messed with by 5 men and they was all family members. I told on when I was younger, I told my mom about my step dad 2 years ago and I have never said this out loud but my half brother did it too, I no longer have any relationship with any of them, God is my father and the only one I need to believe me and help me heal People had told me “ you can only cry wolf so many times till no one believes you” so I just shut my mouth. I was so lost but now I am God was with me
As a sexual abuse survivor, this video literally changed my life. For the blessed Saddleback Church, with the incredibly special Rick and Kay Warren, they have opened my road to healing. THANK YOU SO very much! Jesus IS the Master Healer, and I have hope and great faith that he will help me, and other survivors, to heal too.
You are so dear! Thank you so much for your kind words! You are so inspirational. We are in this journey together. May God and His magnificent Angels bless you always! ❤
This video is amazing. When they said "it's not your fault" that was my light bulb moment. Childhood sexual abuse causes devastating effects on the abused child and the wider family. It's appalling
As a survivor of childhood sexual and physical abuse, I would argue with Jesus, saying, "Jesus, I trust You and I trust Your Holy Spirit, but if Your Father is anything like my father, then I want nothing to do with Him." Then Jesus, through the Holy Spirit, led me to read John 14:9, "If you have seen Me, you have seen the Father." You mean to tell me that Your Father is like You, Jesus!?" Now I understand that I am a Treasured Daughter of the Heavenly Father, Chosen and Dearly Loved and WANTED! God's Unfailing Love, really does change everything!
I needed to hear this. 49 years ago, I was sexually molested by three separate individuals. It was painful but they tricked me so much in my mind that I should like it because it was ok. They made me feel like it was my fault. As I got older, I became promiscuous, questioned my sexuality, depressed, wanted to be someone else because I had low self-esteem, was involved in toxic relationships, see myself as a victim, etc. I've decided I want my healing because I'm tired of hiding this secret. It's caused too much pain in life and is too heavy to carry. I'm putting my trust in You God for my healing. I surrender all to you.
I can’t believe this message exists. Thank you God for helping me to find this today. Saddleback- I applaud you for dealing with this issue- one that I’m currently battling through- from the front!
First, thank you God for Pastor RICK and Saddleback church for going where most won't. Thank you Kay Warren and Beth Moore for speaking in behalf of us. You both have articulated one pain and even gave clarity to us. I can't tell you what this means to me and all the women who will see this and find hope. I will never understand why the church continues to be silent even now 2018 considering all the hurt women that sits before them every Sundy. I applaud and thank you, and may God continue to use you in this needful way. God bless you both, Pastor RICK and Saddleback church.
Thank you for listening in and joining the conversation! We would love to continue to connect with you and other victims to talk about finding healing and community... please check out our resources page for more information: saddleback.com/watch/news/2018/01/26/Take-the-First-Step-Toward-Hope-and-Healing
I'm also glad this topic is being taken about, in a biblical aspect, I'm really glad I found this talk and I will be checking out the resources, I need these to help me deal with my abuse, the feelings and emotions and after effects of it that's all bottled up
I've been really struggling lately with depression and intense suicidal thoughts due to an increase in nightmares and flashbacks for the past month or so (like 5-8 nightmares a week rather than the usual once or twice a week). I feel completely helpless when even my mind betrays me. I've relapsed in self-harm and hardly have been eating anything because in my mind I think they will leave me alone if I don't look appealing, but it doesn't make sense because it's all in my nightmares. It's so frustrating because it's been just over 3 years since the sexual abuse ended and I'm spiralling all over again. This video not only provided a much needed distraction, but also will help me go on a little while longer. Hopefully, long enough to get out of this intense feeling of hopelessness. Thank you so much for this sermon
Remember Jesus loves you. Once u accept Jesus as Lord you are born again. Jesus took your pain and took your sin away. He doesn't want u to suffer. What you do is that you acknowledgement that the glorious, peaceful, hopeful Jesus is with you. Once you do that you will feel the love of Jesus (this only happens if you do it regularly in your daily activities). The holy Spirit will start to heal u.
I’m angry still at both my parents. My father was a minister s son. My mother was an angry woman and verbally abused me. My father was the sneaky molester. I’m 67. My Hateful mother just died. Recognition of the pain she caused surfaced. I started my first counseling with a Christian counselor, yesterday. I did all the talking. I’m raw today.
One thing to keep in mind is that these things don't happen in isolation. I'd guarantee you that your father was sexually abused as a child. That's not to excuse his behaviour, it was monstrous. But to hold that understanding in your heart helps when you get to the point of forgiveness.
I grew an attachment to mine at 13. He gained my trust and didn't break it. As my parents did break it. When I finally told about it my mother asked me what I did to make him do it. It was always my fault
It is fake. Not love. Negative attention can seem like love and sometimes we get fooled to believe it. But we can unlearn anything with affirrmations. We can learn something new:true love. It will feel so strange we may want to run. But keep trying to learn
It happened to me when I was 13 Till now still in my mind I feel like ,that will carry me till my last day I has a daughter , i always hope that not will happen to her ,pray the Lord give her Protection , I find Lord Jesus Christ in to my heart I feel peaceful every day with his Grace I don’t feel alone anymore When I have my nightmare , I feel he given Me strength to fight back And forgive With my healing , is all God Glory & his Grace I also asked my a Lord for forgiveness from My sins 🙏🙏🙏
Thank you so much for making this video, this is SO SO important especially in the church to talk about. I am 32 and I was raped at 19 - in 2006. i did my best to bury it and what happened because counseling did no good. Then in August, I had something happen where it was indecent assault and it's bringing back everything now and it is not a good feeling. i am gonna see if i can see a counselor even tho in the past it did no good. this video helps a lot even tho i had no abuse in anyway as a kid or teen. it happened as an adult. It's hard to talk about, all you want to do sometimes is cry but can't because of having kids at home and husband not being home til later. i do go for a walk in mornings alone before he goes to work so i have time with God, myself and can vent outloud w no one nearby. it's hard not having anyone truly to relate to and talk/cry with but 1 friend.
The amazing thing about this topic is that it’s healing for all types of abuse🙌🏽 and even if you’ve been a Predator, you’re asked to come clean and be made whole. It’s not an excuse, but the only answer to stop ✋ the evil cycle
I just watched and I felt the same way. :) I also like that they spoke about harassment as well as assault and abuse, which is sometimes left out of these kinds of discussions though it can be much more frequent or prevalent in occurrence and similarly damaging given that it can create sexual trauma, fear and mistrust of authority figures and the opposite sex, anxiety, panic attacks, isolation, shame, etc. Not to mention it can set off flashbacks to older trauma and just create all kinds of fear and torment to people who experience it.
Regarding Jesus saying; "Let those without sin cast the first stone." I once heard what Jesus was writing in the sand was the sins of those ready to stone her. Makes sense since they all left.
Please pray for me. I reported it and I'm loosing so it appears and it doesnt seem I'll ever get justice lawfully in this world. (Corrupt system has made the sting that worse) I need justice in the spiritual realm. I need healing please I know Jesus can do it. I beleive I just need help in Jesus name please pray for my children and my husband too.
Thanks for covering this subject Rick. My partner was subject to serious sexual & psychological abuse by her now ex husband Now she says she feels safe with me; something she has not felt for many years whilst with him We met online in a real time chatroom. We also exchanged cell phone numbers. I told her she can call me 24/7 if she ever feel able to run. She did so 3am one Saturday. I drove to her to pick her up. I took her to her house to collect her things Now she is with me knowing she can confide anything to me. She says she has told me far more than her therapist Anyway, I hope anyone else suffering as my partner did will have the courage to run
Shay__Shay I believe you. You are. Not. Alone. Praying for you. For the Father who sent his son who bore our pain on that rugged cross that day to bless you with his perfect peace and love. Please know God our father holds your heart in his arms. 🙏🙏😭🙏
Help .I am watching all the time deliverance prayers against demons but I am not delivered yet. I pray ,I fast as much as I can. But I still feel that my flesh is weak and I am often attacked . I feel that demons have access to my mind and bring thoughts that are going to a direction I don't won't but my body can not resist or win over them. I have received freedom from depression and self-pity but this is something I am struggling all the time and do not find victory. I have been abused for about 7 years by fake Christian people ,my grandparents.I was raised by them after my father died when I was 3 .My mother was abroad . That has affected also my level of faith. But I believe. I don't know when and how but I believe I will be free of it.
😢There is no hope to completely recover from this. The sense of trust in humanity and even the sense of trust in a loving God is shattered forever. This is my experience and it’s really doesn’t matter at all. You are nobody, invisible, transparent, and you don’t matter at all.
I am having trouble my family won't talk to me.My husband has been blessing.This happened 5-7 yrs. old.Mine was more than sexual abuse.I was tortured;put in black box and turn saw on put face to it.Used gun sand put to head.So much more happened but can't share here.I have ptsd and form of schizophrenia.I. had Brain Surgery 10 weeks ago at UCLA.And in November will have to have my 2 brainsurgery.I feel so alone no one wants to hear even my own sister.Jesus please come save.Is their anyone christian woman would talk to me.I will pray so hard.God come into my great need.
Abuse was never my fault but i was not able to shake the feeling that it WAS my fault. I ended up forgiving myself for something I didnt do. Lol. It worked!!!! Alternate path to healing. Jesus always makes a way!
if you are a perpetrator reading this, there is grace for you. When you believed in Christ, you were made a son/daughter of Christ. If you don't believe in Jesus, put your trust in him, He died on the cross to save you from your sin and give you abundant life. Hallelujah!
Here again cant beleive my comment is still here from 2 yrs ago. Apt I didn't fully get it so I'm back. Sometimes God works in his time remember that ladies. Honestly ... Can i be honest???sometimes we have a hard time letting it go and not allowing it to become who we are.. Keep your eyes OFF the pain and on Jesus.... My family Still needs prayer. Now I know its ok though. I'm ok I am made in his image and he DOES see me JUST like he sees YOU.
I do wonder how many people, specifically abusers, came forward and took up their own cross by owning their own sin of sexual abuse? I just watched this particular video last night for the first time after looking up how to heal from sexual abuse, and I was surprised, pleasantly, to see how the Lord is working through people like us to bring this content out into the open.... The open.... I, too am a leader in my own church , leading "Women of Courage," which is a support group for women written by, author and Director, Charlene Hanson. As far as I know, this particular content has not been brought out into the congregation of our church, but we have, however, been allowed to use space within the church to lead a small group of women into the healing of Jesus Christ. Christ. Am so grateful, but I am concerned that there is not enough space for as many women , children, and even men that need this content brought to the platform and dealt with, and holy anointed, in Jesus's Holy Name. I am healed, but to be completely honest, the fight to remain in that healed realm is a battle in itself. I have struggled from being abused from a very early age of two years old. Even though I do not remember my "first encounter," I do remember, before it happened, I was in the realm of Jesus while in my high chair lifting my arms to him, as a loving child should able to do . I also remember many years between that point and another to where I had forgotten what kind of freedom and peace and love that was missing, or rather "waiting" for me in my life. Today, I am blessed beyond measure to have found that healing grace and love once again. And I have learned how to forgive, many times and for many peoples' sake, for it is not my burden to carry...but the part of battling to save that precious grace remains. Just recently, we lost our mother. At this point - in one week, to be exact - we will be gathering 13 hours [drive] away to release hers and our step-father's ashes. I am to officiate this service [why? 🤷♀️ Because I was asked and accepted to honor them both]. I just found out that I will be faced with at least four of my abusers - one of which I have dealt with, or rather, she dealt with it properly to myself and now with God - thank You, Jesus 🙌 Two others, I have dealt with and forgave, and the fourth (maybe a fifth? I don't recall all the details or faces) I never thought about until they were announced to be present...I froze! Trembling, I locked up, for over two days now. But, I focus more on the second one today. You see, even after having forgiven, I found out that he was abusive to his own daughter years after my abuse had ended - decades, in fact. And now, knowing he was an adult, knowing how many young girls he's been around, and knowing I kept this secret from most of the world, I also know I will be fine. But, I mourn the loss of faith to which he has caused his own child, possibly all of them, even if not by the same means. My mind reels to think, "How do I reach her [from here] to send a Life Boat for her soul? How do I address this, and with what direction do I send him when this conversation topic arises?" It is very likely, and now, out of concern and 55 years of mostly silence, he is in, yet, another relationship with a woman who (also) has two little girls! Where does this cycle end? I pray, Lord Jesus, please help me to stand up for righteousness and bring Your loving hedge of protection around these little girls, around ALL of Your little girls, and show me, please, how to deal with this without taking Your revenge, and without being spiteful, Lord. I love You, and I pray for Your healing upon all who have already been hurt. Lord God, show me Your Mighty Hand in these victims that I might live to see that they are healed from damages and caused to be healers in faith themselves, and for Your glory. I don't know what else to do, but I fear what is next should he not admit to his Spirit-damaging wrongs...oh, how terrible his fate will be should he not 😭🙏🙏🙏✝️ Please, show me Your Way, Abba 🙌 In Jesus' Holy Name, I pray 🙏🙏🙏
Do you struggle with thoughts/ feelings of self-condemnation and self-loathing? Such feelings come from lies (false beliefs) in your heart (deepest part of you). Such lies can be replaced with truth. Let God help you from the inside out. I pray you blessed and hopeful to get a vision of freedom. Praise God and all glory to Jesus Christ alone.
Love ministry's, one thing I figured out late in life is that the ibterspecies predators are the ones who's soul's are annhilated, victims have victory through the blood of Christ, the father, son and holy spirit. I terspecies predators have no trust and imaginary entitlement. But it's grief when a victim does not receive or feel or take joy in the victory.
Hi Anna, we'd love to talk with you more. Please call our minister's office at 949 609 8000 any time or find other resources here: saddleback.com/watch/news/2018/01/26/Take-the-First-Step-Toward-Hope-and-Healing. Praying for you!
I know this was 6 years ago so I'm not sure if anyone will see my comment or not but I thought I would share anyways... I was molested as a child by my dad and it went on for so many years. I even use to cut myself in my early 20s. I appreciate Kay and Beth telling their stories. ❤
Pastor Rick, you presented an excellent topic. In the Bible, there are many cases of sexual abuse, but David was never sexually abused as you mentioned in the discussion. You are interpreting it wrong. David was just sharing his suffering with God in the psalm and asking His help with what he was going through. Similarly, Jeremiah was not sexually abused. The discussion here is regarding sexual abuse not suffering for the God or Jesus. These are two different topics. Lastly, regarding the healing of the women with bleeding, she touched Jesus cloth and power went out of him. Jesus realized that power went out of him, and that's why he turned and wanted the women to come forward and acknowledge that God healing her of her infirmities and to be a testimony to others. Thanks
How can I find the first 2 teachings mentioned. I think it’s important to post all of them to show that you are truly supporting and deal with these issues.
I have lived in a narcissistic family cult and it was emotional abuse physical abuse but when i married my husband he came a broken family his mother left 9 children we promised each other we were going to make a better life together a year after marriage (19)I had a tumor and had surgery and told I probably wouldn't have children after coming home my parents were coming over to stay with me husband had to go work before they came over my male cousin showed up and next thing I know he is unzipping his pants wanting to rub it on me I couldn't move i just started screaming yelling telling him mom dad hurry I need you he finally left husband came home no did anything to him almost 40 years of marriage my husband and I are having very bad marital issues to the point of considering divorce our last blowup my husband told me he don't think it really happened and I made it up and all those buried issues were brought back how could the man I've loved really hurt me so bad and I'm living all this over and over again also as of now my husband is not in this house I told he had to leave please pray for us I don't know what to do and I've prayed and prayed I have even forgiven my cousin what do I do
This talk was at first hopefully encouraging, however as I listened I realized how ignorant it is when it comes to abusers. I understand sexual criminality but it is not different from those who have murdered or hurt children because of drug use or neglect. All people are sinners and should be welcomed into the church. Chasing out offenders is not what Christ would do. Does that mean we should allow someone who is currently offending to be at church? I don't have the answer to that, but my heart says yes we should. Those who have been caught for their sexual abuse sin and paid restitution are typically not repeat offenders, and many are on lifetime probation and have people who have to be with them in public places where children are, called chaperones. What I do know is that Jesus died to save us from our sins, no matter the sin. I understand the anger and disgust, but with the Holy Spirit, you can help offenders. We welcome other criminal offenders to church... why would we chase out abusers. If I misunderstood, please do correct me.
I have friends who are leaders in AA. They never go to bars or 'sources of temptation'; they've been sober over 20+. Like alcoholism, sexual abusers have an illness that can be triggered in situations of temptation. The toughness Pastor Rick displayed was not even as intense as I've seen with my friends in AA who's charges drink - the most intense was someone laid up in a hospital (because they drank and drove). Sexual perpetrators must desire to change before they can hope to change. The Lord's prayer says 'lead us not into temptation' - Should we welcome them into the church? Is a wolf tempted when in the sheep pen? If they are in the church, they need to forthcoming about their propensity and we should ensure they are not allowed to be in situations of temptation - for their sake and the 'sheep'.
No-not if they are not truly truly repentant God would have to let every one know very very very clearly that they were repentant and they would of turned from their wicked ways! you don't invite wolf in sheep's clothing. Besides they need to be willing for healing and deliverance!-Yes Jesus can break any and every chain but only when we submit for Jesus to do so.
I don't think he is saying that. What he is saying by the abusers not being safe is meaning not safe to let their sin be in secret. I dont know if you finished the video but his view was more saying there will bw no more secret predators and being willing to repent and get help and let the Lord change you then you can't be around causing moee damage to helpless victims. I think it was a calling out of light over darkness and grace is good but i know someone whose offender was forgiven and granted the right to stay in that chuech where she lived in fear in church because of that.. As a little girl and now as an adult she no longer trusts the Church as a body of believers to be there for her as a reflection of God's love
Ya I don't think that was his message if you listened to the whole thing . He's saying they are not safe at that church if they are hurting people there if they are abusers. I for one who has 11 sexual predator through out my childhood felt validation protection from this message. Also it isn't true the most sexual abusers don't offend again after paying there dews. Not true at all I'm sorry but it's just not true. Also want to say number one priority to me is keeping children safe above all and a true church wants to do that. Iv seen the opposite so this is excellent. I do pray for true conviction and true repentance for these abusers as well and my abusers I disire that mine don't go to hell but turn to Jesus. But number one priority for me is protecting the children.
The Male pastor has no understanding of psalm 39...@15:10.....David is speaking of his own sin....not abuse...David was silent because he knew he sinned but people didn't understand his pain so he stayed silent because foolish ungodly men would use his moral failure as a weapon against him so he was silent but being silent didn't relieve his pain because he still sinned so he is saying in light of my shame which is my fault...still lord help me to still go on and live even when I don't want to face life in light of my own transgressions and sins because I'm still guilty of my sins. But still help me to go on with this difficult life. And overcome the shame that people who know of my sin are reminding me if daily.
I don't understand this. At about the 1 hour mark he said "this church is for victims, not perpetrators". And he threatens perpetrators. Aren't they also victims at one point? Isn't that part of forgiveness?
I think he means not for enabling perpetrators grace and forgiveness shouldn’t mean that there aren’t boundaries or nothing is done, allowing the abuse to continue. The church’s model is that you confess sins that are between you and other member in an effective form of mediation. Churches shouldn’t be breeding and grooming grounds for predators
Rick said at one point that God has severe consequences for sexual abuse. My question is why did God make us so fragile that sexual abuse literally destroys some people? God made us so he had to have known that sexual abuse was a possibility and If it was why didn't he just make us stronger, more resiliant? If you're designing anything you'll look at the potential stressors and design accordingly. I just don't get it
there aren't words to describe how appalling bad this video is...... Please, if you've suffered abuse -and goodness only knows why they picked sexual abuse for this video - get professional help from qualified experts.
Wow! This is an incredible message...I was sexually abused by my father for over a decade. I am 60 years old and have lived in silence, shame and relational dysfunction my entire life--that is until this past year. My journey through Celebrate Recovery has allowed me to talk about it, remember it, begin to feel again, and allow the healing balm of Jesus to heal me. For so long I didn't feel, I stopped wanting, I lived in two worlds-who I was on the outside and who I was inside. Now I even feel the love of Jesus--He is my defender, my redeemer, and my healer!!! Woo Hoo!!
Wow! Amazing testimony!
Thank You for testifying.
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I understand that. I was 25 when I remembered. I am now 42 and still single. I did 8 years of counseling. Lots of inner healing and deliverance. I can only say that Jesus is only one who can heal. You never heal completely on earth but you will be free.
Hello....
As a Muslim, and a victim, I’m really glad I started to watch this first thing in the morning.
God be with you
I’m glad to see a Pastor address this issue; I was sexually abused as a child Beth Moore and Kay Warren express so powerfully my journey THROUGH my pain, struggles and setbacks of being sexually abused.
Kim KJLMT53 I feel the same ! I can relate to everything ?
I pray in Jesus name that whatever you went through, God will deliver you from the pain, hurt and suffering❤️
I'm 6 months in the valley of the same happening to my daughter. I can't live yet my spirit strives everyday. I pray everyday to find hope I'm so grateful to stumble upon this after really low feelings yet worship and humbleness to God. Jesus please heal us all in the comments ❤️
This has opened my eyes in my journey of healing,I was messed with by 5 men and they was all family members. I told on when I was younger, I told my mom about my step dad 2 years ago and I have never said this out loud but my half brother did it too, I no longer have any relationship with any of them, God is my father and the only one I need to believe me and help me heal People had told me “ you can only cry wolf so many times till no one believes you” so I just shut my mouth. I was so lost but now I am God was with me
I like that he said it my job to make this a safe space for the victims. Not the perpetrators!! That makes me feel so good.
As a sexual abuse survivor, this video literally changed my life. For the blessed Saddleback Church, with the incredibly special Rick and Kay Warren, they have opened my road to healing. THANK YOU SO very much! Jesus IS the Master Healer, and I have hope and great faith that he will help me, and other survivors, to heal too.
You are so dear! Thank you so much for your kind words! You are so inspirational. We are in this journey together. May God and His magnificent Angels bless you always! ❤
Thank you for helping me with your truth,,,,,Jesus Jesus
YES! He is the only healer-Our Master Healer! I am a sexual abuse survivor too, Praise God for He is my defender, redeemer and healer.
It takes a very long time to get boundaries back, and to trust an authority, after experiencing this.
This video is amazing. When they said "it's not your fault" that was my light bulb moment. Childhood sexual abuse causes devastating effects on the abused child and the wider family. It's appalling
Wow. Can we have more churches preach this. This has changed my world.
As a survivor of childhood sexual and physical abuse,
I would argue with Jesus, saying, "Jesus, I trust You and I trust Your Holy Spirit, but if Your Father is anything like my father, then I want nothing to do with Him."
Then Jesus, through the Holy Spirit, led me to read John 14:9, "If you have seen Me, you have seen the Father."
You mean to tell me that Your Father is like You, Jesus!?"
Now I understand that I am a Treasured Daughter of the Heavenly Father,
Chosen and Dearly Loved and WANTED!
God's Unfailing Love, really does change everything!
I needed to hear this. 49 years ago, I was sexually molested by three separate individuals. It was painful but they tricked me so much in my mind that I should like it because it was ok. They made me feel like it was my fault. As I got older, I became promiscuous, questioned my sexuality, depressed, wanted to be someone else because I had low self-esteem, was involved in toxic relationships, see myself as a victim, etc. I've decided I want my healing because I'm tired of hiding this secret. It's caused too much pain in life and is too heavy to carry. I'm putting my trust in You God for my healing. I surrender all to you.
Please read Rick Warren book… the purpose driven life.
@@azwianewimarindili713thanks for sharing! ❤🙏
@@azwianewimarindili713 thank you!
Thank you for the courage and conviction it took to address this painful topic. If only more pastors took this stand. Thank you Pastor Rick!!
I can’t believe this message exists. Thank you God for helping me to find this today. Saddleback- I applaud you for dealing with this issue- one that I’m currently battling through- from the front!
I was very blessed to know his daughter in college. Amy Warren was very nice me my first year at Biola
First, thank you God for Pastor RICK and Saddleback church for going where most won't. Thank you Kay Warren and Beth Moore for speaking in behalf of us. You both have articulated one pain and even gave clarity to us. I can't tell you what this means to me and all the women who will see this and find hope. I will never understand why the church continues to be silent even now 2018 considering all the hurt women that sits before them every Sundy. I applaud and thank you, and may God continue to use you in this needful way. God bless you both, Pastor RICK and Saddleback church.
I'm glad this topic is being discussed from a spiritual point of view, as it has answered many of the questions I've had about my own abuse story...
Thank you for listening in and joining the conversation! We would love to continue to connect with you and other victims to talk about finding healing and community... please check out our resources page for more information: saddleback.com/watch/news/2018/01/26/Take-the-First-Step-Toward-Hope-and-Healing
I'm also glad this topic is being taken about, in a biblical aspect, I'm really glad I found this talk and I will be checking out the resources, I need these to help me deal with my abuse, the feelings and emotions and after effects of it that's all bottled up
"And the church has to LEAD in rooting it out."
"The Truth will set you free."
Yes. As painful as it can be there is light at the end of the tunnel. That light is Jesus😊
i love saddleback for talking about this. Church is about community. conversation creates community. thank for for creating conversation about this
I've been really struggling lately with depression and intense suicidal thoughts due to an increase in nightmares and flashbacks for the past month or so (like 5-8 nightmares a week rather than the usual once or twice a week). I feel completely helpless when even my mind betrays me. I've relapsed in self-harm and hardly have been eating anything because in my mind I think they will leave me alone if I don't look appealing, but it doesn't make sense because it's all in my nightmares. It's so frustrating because it's been just over 3 years since the sexual abuse ended and I'm spiralling all over again.
This video not only provided a much needed distraction, but also will help me go on a little while longer. Hopefully, long enough to get out of this intense feeling of hopelessness.
Thank you so much for this sermon
Remember Jesus loves you. Once u accept Jesus as Lord you are born again. Jesus took your pain and took your sin away. He doesn't want u to suffer. What you do is that you acknowledgement that the glorious, peaceful, hopeful Jesus is with you. Once you do that you will feel the love of Jesus (this only happens if you do it regularly in your daily activities). The holy Spirit will start to heal u.
May the Lord break through
I’m angry still at both my parents. My father was a minister s son. My mother was an angry woman and verbally abused me. My father was the sneaky molester. I’m 67. My Hateful mother just died. Recognition of the pain she caused surfaced. I started my first counseling with a Christian counselor, yesterday. I did all the talking. I’m raw today.
May Jesus heal you a
Be repay you for what the enemy stole
@@centerfold8 much gratitude
❤ my heart goes out to you #metoo
One thing to keep in mind is that these things don't happen in isolation. I'd guarantee you that your father was sexually abused as a child. That's not to excuse his behaviour, it was monstrous. But to hold that understanding in your heart helps when you get to the point of forgiveness.
This was so real. So raw. & helpful! The ladies expressed their journey beautifully. Pastor touched on this topic very delicately as well. Beautiful.
I grew an attachment to mine at 13. He gained my trust and didn't break it. As my parents did break it. When I finally told about it my mother asked me what I did to make him do it. It was always my fault
She failed you I’m so sorry that’s the mom you got. Jesus won’t do that to you
Man, I’m so sorry 😢💔🫂
💧 He talks to us through His Word 📖 🙏🏼🙏🏼🎵🎶🎵🎹🎹
this has profoundly graced me thank you Jesus
What a beautiful time of acknowledgement and healing for so many..... victim and perpetrator alike.Thank you.
That's what my great uncle said when he was abusing me. “I do this because I love you“
So disgusting that he said that
It is fake. Not love. Negative attention can seem like love and sometimes we get fooled to believe it. But we can unlearn anything with affirrmations. We can learn something new:true love. It will feel so strange we may want to run. But keep trying to learn
Thank God for this message. How I wish I could have heard this at 19 years old!
I even had nightmares at almost 24 years old.
It happened to me when I was 13
Till now still in my mind
I feel like ,that will carry me till my last day
I has a daughter , i always hope that not will
happen to her ,pray the Lord give her
Protection ,
I find Lord Jesus Christ in to my heart
I feel peaceful every day with his Grace
I don’t feel alone anymore
When I have my nightmare , I feel he given
Me strength to fight back
And forgive
With my healing , is all God Glory & his Grace
I also asked my a Lord for forgiveness from
My sins 🙏🙏🙏
Thank you so much for making this video, this is SO SO important especially in the church to talk about. I am 32 and I was raped at 19 - in 2006. i did my best to bury it and what happened because counseling did no good. Then in August, I had something happen where it was indecent assault and it's bringing back everything now and it is not a good feeling. i am gonna see if i can see a counselor even tho in the past it did no good. this video helps a lot even tho i had no abuse in anyway as a kid or teen. it happened as an adult. It's hard to talk about, all you want to do sometimes is cry but can't because of having kids at home and husband not being home til later. i do go for a walk in mornings alone before he goes to work so i have time with God, myself and can vent outloud w no one nearby. it's hard not having anyone truly to relate to and talk/cry with but 1 friend.
My daughter was raped at 27. A year later she committed suicide. It's awful. This stuff needs addressing
I'm so sorry to hear this :( So sorry for your loss. And yes it definitely needs addressed.
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The amazing thing about this topic is that it’s healing for all types of abuse🙌🏽 and even if you’ve been a Predator, you’re asked to come clean and be made whole. It’s not an excuse, but the only answer to stop ✋ the evil cycle
I just watched and I felt the same way. :) I also like that they spoke about harassment as well as assault and abuse, which is sometimes left out of these kinds of discussions though it can be much more frequent or prevalent in occurrence and similarly damaging given that it can create sexual trauma, fear and mistrust of authority figures and the opposite sex, anxiety, panic attacks, isolation, shame, etc. Not to mention it can set off flashbacks to older trauma and just create all kinds of fear and torment to people who experience it.
Regarding Jesus saying; "Let those without sin cast the first stone." I once heard what Jesus was writing in the sand was the sins of those ready to stone her. Makes sense since they all left.
So accurate, truthful and powerful.
Please pray for me. I reported it and I'm loosing so it appears and it doesnt seem I'll ever get justice lawfully in this world. (Corrupt system has made the sting that worse) I need justice in the spiritual realm. I need healing please I know Jesus can do it. I beleive I just need help in Jesus name please pray for my children and my husband too.
May the Lord give it to you according to what you petition for
May Jesus surround you and your family and friends with a hedge of protection. May God put good people you all can relate to. In Jesus name I pray
Thanks for covering this subject Rick. My partner was subject to serious sexual & psychological abuse by her now ex husband
Now she says she feels safe with me; something she has not felt for many years whilst with him
We met online in a real time chatroom. We also exchanged cell phone numbers. I told her she can call me 24/7 if she ever feel able to run. She did so 3am one Saturday. I drove to her to pick her up. I took her to her house to collect her things
Now she is with me knowing she can confide anything to me. She says she has told me far more than her therapist
Anyway, I hope anyone else suffering as my partner did will have the courage to run
Good post. It's awful.
Thank you. Very important for this to be talked about,especially in a church.
"This has got to be rooted out."
Thank you
Peace and Love.
Ephesians 2:8-10
A much needed discussion. Thank you 🙏 Pastors
I told my family and no one believed me. So to live in a house where people hate you for “lying” when you didn’t hurts but I know things will work out
Shay__Shay I believe you. You are. Not. Alone. Praying for you. For the Father who sent his son who bore our pain on that rugged cross that day to bless you with his perfect peace and love. Please know God our father holds your heart in his arms. 🙏🙏😭🙏
Shay__Shay
can someone please share the name of the book that was recommended? Thanks.
God knows and sees you
Wow! I need all these messages!
I'm not religious but I am a sexual assault survivor. This touched me
Ms
Y you continue to heal
“God doesn’t go after the marginalized, he changes the margins”
Thank you for this video
Help .I am watching all the time deliverance prayers against demons but I am not delivered yet.
I pray ,I fast as much as I can.
But I still feel that my flesh is weak and I am often attacked .
I feel that demons have access to my mind and bring thoughts that are going to a direction I don't won't but my body can not resist or win over them.
I have received freedom from depression and self-pity but this is something I am struggling all the time and do not find victory.
I have been abused for about 7 years by fake Christian people ,my grandparents.I was raised by them after my father died when I was 3 .My mother was abroad .
That has affected also my level of faith.
But I believe.
I don't know when and how but I believe I will be free of it.
I needed to hear this. It is my CR journey.
Kathryn Macleod celebrate recovery ?
😢There is no hope to completely recover from this. The sense of trust in humanity and even the sense of trust in a loving God is shattered forever. This is my experience and it’s really doesn’t matter at all. You are nobody, invisible, transparent, and you don’t matter at all.
I am having trouble my family won't talk to me.My husband has been blessing.This happened 5-7 yrs. old.Mine was more than sexual abuse.I was tortured;put in black box and turn saw on put face to it.Used gun sand put to head.So much more happened but can't share here.I have ptsd and form of schizophrenia.I. had Brain Surgery 10 weeks ago at UCLA.And in November will have to have my 2 brainsurgery.I feel so alone no one wants to hear even my own sister.Jesus please come save.Is their anyone christian woman would talk to me.I will pray so hard.God come into my great need.
I have not fallen in love with God or Jesus. I grew up in the church.
Because of HIM…☀️☀️🔥❤️
Corruption means there is no justice and I still live with the grooming and abuse today
seek an expert out. This is a classic example of the dangers of youtube for serious life issues.
May you find deliverance
Abuse was never my fault but i was not able to shake the feeling that it WAS my fault. I ended up forgiving myself for something I didnt do. Lol. It worked!!!! Alternate path to healing. Jesus always makes a way!
#NotMyFault
if you are a perpetrator reading this, there is grace for you. When you believed in Christ, you were made a son/daughter of Christ. If you don't believe in Jesus, put your trust in him, He died on the cross to save you from your sin and give you abundant life. Hallelujah!
I reclaim God's original design for my sexuality and intimacy in Jesus name. Amen.
Here again cant beleive my comment is still here from 2 yrs ago. Apt I didn't fully get it so I'm back. Sometimes God works in his time remember that ladies. Honestly ... Can i be honest???sometimes we have a hard time letting it go and not allowing it to become who we are.. Keep your eyes OFF the pain and on Jesus.... My family Still needs prayer. Now I know its ok though. I'm ok I am made in his image and he DOES see me JUST like he sees YOU.
Mine is shattered. My started at puberty.
Amazing 👏
Sexual abuse needs to be taken more seriously it is the enemy’s attempt to steal lives
Definitely. It's totally satan doing that.
I'm Hear
I do wonder how many people, specifically abusers, came forward and took up their own cross by owning their own sin of sexual abuse? I just watched this particular video last night for the first time after looking up how to heal from sexual abuse, and I was surprised, pleasantly, to see how the Lord is working through people like us to bring this content out into the open.... The open.... I, too am a leader in my own church , leading "Women of Courage," which is a support group for women written by, author and Director, Charlene Hanson. As far as I know, this particular content has not been brought out into the congregation of our church, but we have, however, been allowed to use space within the church to lead a small group of women into the healing of Jesus Christ. Christ. Am so grateful, but I am concerned that there is not enough space for as many women , children, and even men that need this content brought to the platform and dealt with, and holy anointed, in Jesus's Holy Name.
I am healed, but to be completely honest, the fight to remain in that healed realm is a battle in itself. I have struggled from being abused from a very early age of two years old. Even though I do not remember my "first encounter," I do remember, before it happened, I was in the realm of Jesus while in my high chair lifting my arms to him, as a loving child should able to do . I also remember many years between that point and another to where I had forgotten what kind of freedom and peace and love that was missing, or rather "waiting" for me in my life.
Today, I am blessed beyond measure to have found that healing grace and love once again. And I have learned how to forgive, many times and for many peoples' sake, for it is not my burden to carry...but the part of battling to save that precious grace remains.
Just recently, we lost our mother. At this point - in one week, to be exact - we will be gathering 13 hours [drive] away to release hers and our step-father's ashes. I am to officiate this service [why? 🤷♀️ Because I was asked and accepted to honor them both]. I just found out that I will be faced with at least four of my abusers - one of which I have dealt with, or rather, she dealt with it properly to myself and now with God - thank You, Jesus 🙌 Two others, I have dealt with and forgave, and the fourth (maybe a fifth? I don't recall all the details or faces) I never thought about until they were announced to be present...I froze! Trembling, I locked up, for over two days now. But, I focus more on the second one today. You see, even after having forgiven, I found out that he was abusive to his own daughter years after my abuse had ended - decades, in fact. And now, knowing he was an adult, knowing how many young girls he's been around, and knowing I kept this secret from most of the world, I also know I will be fine. But, I mourn the loss of faith to which he has caused his own child, possibly all of them, even if not by the same means.
My mind reels to think, "How do I reach her [from here] to send a Life Boat for her soul? How do I address this, and with what direction do I send him when this conversation topic arises?" It is very likely, and now, out of concern and 55 years of mostly silence, he is in, yet, another relationship with a woman who (also) has two little girls! Where does this cycle end?
I pray, Lord Jesus, please help me to stand up for righteousness and bring Your loving hedge of protection around these little girls, around ALL of Your little girls, and show me, please, how to deal with this without taking Your revenge, and without being spiteful, Lord. I love You, and I pray for Your healing upon all who have already been hurt. Lord God, show me Your Mighty Hand in these victims that I might live to see that they are healed from damages and caused to be healers in faith themselves, and for Your glory.
I don't know what else to do, but I fear what is next should he not admit to his Spirit-damaging wrongs...oh, how terrible his fate will be should he not 😭🙏🙏🙏✝️ Please, show me Your Way, Abba 🙌
In Jesus' Holy Name, I pray 🙏🙏🙏
I am the victim of a grooming ring and need help
Do you struggle with thoughts/ feelings of self-condemnation and self-loathing? Such feelings come from lies (false beliefs) in your heart (deepest part of you). Such lies can be replaced with truth. Let God help you from the inside out. I pray you blessed and hopeful to get a vision of freedom. Praise God and all glory to Jesus Christ alone.
Go find a professional service that can help you. Jesus sees you and has come to deliver you
Has this situation changed?
@58:02 Are we to report sexual abuse to the police even if we're not the victim & the victim is a legal adult?
I would say yes
When Rick shares from psalms 39, what version is he reading from?
Love ministry's, one thing I figured out late in life is that the ibterspecies predators are the ones who's soul's are annhilated, victims have victory through the blood of Christ, the father, son and holy spirit. I terspecies predators have no trust and imaginary entitlement. But it's grief when a victim does not receive or feel or take joy in the victory.
It's the emotional trauma I've been affected by.... I need to talk to someone.....
I hope you can get healing in Jesus name!
Hi Anna, we'd love to talk with you more. Please call our minister's office at 949 609 8000 any time or find other resources here: saddleback.com/watch/news/2018/01/26/Take-the-First-Step-Toward-Hope-and-Healing. Praying for you!
Anna Hollands How are doing now? I hope you are feeling a lot better. I will pray for you
How are you sister?? Still need to talk?
I know this was 6 years ago so I'm not sure if anyone will see my comment or not but I thought I would share anyways... I was molested as a child by my dad and it went on for so many years. I even use to cut myself in my early 20s. I appreciate Kay and Beth telling their stories. ❤
Pastor Rick, you presented an excellent topic. In the Bible, there are many cases of sexual abuse, but David was never sexually abused as you mentioned in the discussion. You are interpreting it wrong. David was just sharing his suffering with God in the psalm and asking His help with what he was going through. Similarly, Jeremiah was not sexually abused. The discussion here is regarding sexual abuse not suffering for the God or Jesus. These are two different topics. Lastly, regarding the healing of the women with bleeding, she touched Jesus cloth and power went out of him. Jesus realized that power went out of him, and that's why he turned and wanted the women to come forward and acknowledge that God healing her of her infirmities and to be a testimony to others. Thanks
Was going to say the same thing
How can I find the first 2 teachings mentioned. I think it’s important to post all of them to show that you are truly supporting and deal with these issues.
Hi Lisa! You can find resources from the message here: saddleback.com/watch/news/2018/01/26/Take-the-First-Step-Toward-Hope-and-Healing.
Jesus help us all. It's a death sentence to be sexually abused, but Jesus can bring life out of death. I'm holding onto his unchanging hand.
I have lived in a narcissistic family cult and it was emotional abuse physical abuse but when i married my husband he came a broken family his mother left 9 children we promised each other we were going to make a better life together a year after marriage (19)I had a tumor and had surgery and told I probably wouldn't have children after coming home my parents were coming over to stay with me husband had to go work before they came over my male cousin showed up and next thing I know he is unzipping his pants wanting to rub it on me I couldn't move i just started screaming yelling telling him mom dad hurry I need you he finally left husband came home no did anything to him almost 40 years of marriage my husband and I are having very bad marital issues to the point of considering divorce our last blowup my husband told me he don't think it really happened and I made it up and all those buried issues were brought back how could the man I've loved really hurt me so bad and I'm living all this over and over again also as of now my husband is not in this house I told he had to leave please pray for us I don't know what to do and I've prayed and prayed I have even forgiven my cousin what do I do
Yeah it took 4 years before i didn't start feeling like I wanted to walk in front of car.
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is it important to tell your fiance before marriage if Jesus healed you already? because of stigma in case he can't bear it
Madyson Marquette.
This talk was at first hopefully encouraging, however as I listened I realized how ignorant it is when it comes to abusers. I understand sexual criminality but it is not different from those who have murdered or hurt children because of drug use or neglect. All people are sinners and should be welcomed into the church. Chasing out offenders is not what Christ would do. Does that mean we should allow someone who is currently offending to be at church? I don't have the answer to that, but my heart says yes we should. Those who have been caught for their sexual abuse sin and paid restitution are typically not repeat offenders, and many are on lifetime probation and have people who have to be with them in public places where children are, called chaperones. What I do know is that Jesus died to save us from our sins, no matter the sin. I understand the anger and disgust, but with the Holy Spirit, you can help offenders. We welcome other criminal offenders to church... why would we chase out abusers. If I misunderstood, please do correct me.
I have friends who are leaders in AA. They never go to bars or 'sources of temptation'; they've been sober over 20+. Like alcoholism, sexual abusers have an illness that can be triggered in situations of temptation. The toughness Pastor Rick displayed was not even as intense as I've seen with my friends in AA who's charges drink - the most intense was someone laid up in a hospital (because they drank and drove). Sexual perpetrators must desire to change before they can hope to change. The Lord's prayer says 'lead us not into temptation' - Should we welcome them into the church? Is a wolf tempted when in the sheep pen? If they are in the church, they need to forthcoming about their propensity and we should ensure they are not allowed to be in situations of temptation - for their sake and the 'sheep'.
No-not if they are not truly truly repentant God would have to let every one know very very very clearly that they were repentant and they would of turned from their wicked ways!
you don't invite wolf in sheep's clothing.
Besides they need to be willing for healing and deliverance!-Yes Jesus can break any and every chain but only when we submit for Jesus to do so.
I don't think he is saying that. What he is saying by the abusers not being safe is meaning not safe to let their sin be in secret. I dont know if you finished the video but his view was more saying there will bw no more secret predators and being willing to repent and get help and let the Lord change you then you can't be around causing moee damage to helpless victims. I think it was a calling out of light over darkness and grace is good but i know someone whose offender was forgiven and granted the right to stay in that chuech where she lived in fear in church because of that.. As a little girl and now as an adult she no longer trusts the Church as a body of believers to be there for her as a reflection of God's love
Ya I don't think that was his message if you listened to the whole thing . He's saying they are not safe at that church if they are hurting people there if they are abusers. I for one who has 11 sexual predator through out my childhood felt validation protection from this message.
Also it isn't true the most sexual abusers don't offend again after paying there dews. Not true at all I'm sorry but it's just not true.
Also want to say number one priority to me is keeping children safe above all and a true church wants to do that. Iv seen the opposite so this is excellent.
I do pray for true conviction and true repentance for these abusers as well and my abusers I disire that mine don't go to hell but turn to Jesus.
But number one priority for me is protecting the children.
#AntiPrudery
#AntiAbuse
It might also help to understand what's going on inside the mind of the perpetrator
ok
The Male pastor has no understanding of psalm 39...@15:10.....David is speaking of his own sin....not abuse...David was silent because he knew he sinned but people didn't understand his pain so he stayed silent because foolish ungodly men would use his moral failure as a weapon against him so he was silent but being silent didn't relieve his pain because he still sinned so he is saying in light of my shame which is my fault...still lord help me to still go on and live even when I don't want to face life in light of my own transgressions and sins because I'm still guilty of my sins. But still help me to go on with this difficult life. And overcome the shame that people who know of my sin are reminding me if daily.
My biological Christian brothers are the silent culture.
I don't understand this. At about the 1 hour mark he said "this church is for victims, not perpetrators". And he threatens perpetrators. Aren't they also victims at one point? Isn't that part of forgiveness?
he's sadly only trying to win the approval of abused viewers.
I was sexually abused for 2 years and to date am paying for a crime i never committed. Abusers should just be killed according to my point of view
Abusers are victims of what? At what point do they become victims?
I think he means not for enabling perpetrators grace and forgiveness shouldn’t mean that there aren’t boundaries or nothing is done, allowing the abuse to continue. The church’s model is that you confess sins that are between you and other member in an effective form of mediation. Churches shouldn’t be breeding and grooming grounds for predators
This isn’t what happened when I reached out to the last pastor. More victimization and still no church ☹️
I’m so sorry that’s what happened to you
😔😔😔😔🤯
What happens when it’s your Christian husband 😢what do I do then?
Rick said at one point that God has severe consequences for sexual abuse. My question is why did God make us so fragile that sexual abuse literally destroys some people? God made us so he had to have known that sexual abuse was a possibility and If it was why didn't he just make us stronger, more resiliant? If you're designing anything you'll look at the potential stressors and design accordingly. I just don't get it
It was my fault
there aren't words to describe how appalling bad this video is...... Please, if you've suffered abuse -and goodness only knows why they picked sexual abuse for this video - get professional help from qualified experts.
Be aware of false teachers
Their only qualification is...they are bible teachers? Are they psychologicalists?
Crimes