My sister really wanted to buy a computer for her son for xmas but the cheapest one she could find locally was around $500 used and it was old and junky lookinng. I built her a system using cheap xeon parts from aliexpress and a case/power supply from newegg for around $220 and it looks amazing and plays amazing! he still uses it today for fortnite/r6 seige ect.
@@andystech101 your right it truely does! for non enthusiasts I recommond xeons everyday of the week. I mean why the hell not? older ryzens are ok too thou!
Great job, been a Xeon fan for years now for building Gaming PC. I have 2 Lenovo ThinkStation P500 and P510 (got them for $100 each) running a Xeon E5-2697 v3 and a Xeon E5-2697A V4, both with 32GB Ram. Added a GTX1660Ti 6GB and a RTX3060 8GB and they are awesome for gaming.
Yes definitely but it performs well at the moment and I’ve even been playing Starfield on the system fine! Will be looking into the v3/v4 Xeons as well at some point but I’ve got a 2666 v2 I want to test first 🤩
Not the E5 V3's...they have AVX2....at least the E5-2678v3 and the E5-2696v3 in my home. The later is selling for $45 and has 18 cores/36 threads, a turbo boost of 3.8Ghz, and a TDP of 145W. Both support DDR3 or DDR4, depending on the X99 motherboard chosen. One MUST turbounlock (TU) the E5-2XXXv3's variants, to capture maximum performance. Also, be sure to use a motherboard with 4 DIMM slots, to ensure implementation of memory in 4 channel. RAm is limited on these CPU's to 2133Mhz...but in 4 channel this is roughly equivalent to 4200Mhz in 2 channel. My 2696v3 scores 14,050 pts on CB R23 multi. Runs cool on air, never exceeding 53C at 20C ambient with a 6x6mm dual 120mm cooler. In gaming, the 18C/36T CPU hovers around 3.7Ghz all core with TU. Under heavy 100% test loading, the TDP limit drives down clocks to 2.8Ghz all core.
It's a performance bottleneck for mixed processing LLMs (aka using CPU and GPU at the same time, a common tactic when dealing with models bigger than your GPU can hold), and some Skyrim physics mods require it, but other than those I haven't seen much useful demand for AVX-2 or AVX-512 yet. It's going to start being demanded eventually though.
Nice Video, the X79 is a good platform for budget builds but the X99 is getting cheaper and you might find some deals, i got a Machinist X99-PR9 for $26 and paired it with the E5-2620 V3 which i got for $2 and got a small cooler for $4 with 8GB DDR4 ram for $10 all for $45 from Aliexpress + seeing the E5-2680 V2 competing with the R7 5700G is wild.
I’d agree with you there with X99. I think if you can spend the extra especially 9 months on. They’re really good little boards the X99-PR9 and I’ve used a few now for budget builds. That said I think we’ll get another year or two out of X79 before it’s rendered to the realms of X58! Still my favourite but just not really usable these days due to the lack of instruction sets!
I have 4 enterprise servers with dual socket 2670v2 in 3 of them and 1 with a 2650v4. These things throw some heat but still do well to this day. I have 256 gigs of memory in each box.
@@andystech101 I found the 2667 v2 to be the sweet spot on Cinebench R15 and Valley/Heaven benchmarks on my HP Z420. I tested the 1620, 1650, 2667, 2690 and 2697 v2 with the GTX 1060 6GB, and the 2667 was the best all rounder. I also play Command Modern Operations, where I though the 2697 with 12C/24T would excel, but the better clock speed of the 2667 beat it out. Xeon addiction is bad, I've just ordered a 1660 v2, and have quite a collection of X58 based older Xeons ("W' and 'X' Xeons) for my older HP Z400 :)
@tyrellwreleck4226 Not delivered to your door with 32GB ddr4, a full size ATX board and cpu so yes I brought that crap for £60, yes you can get cheap X99 combos on Ali express. I use £50 combos for my budget builds but the cheap mATX boards aren’t great and are very limited. Also prices have come down for X99 in the 6 months since I made this video.
@@tyrellwreleck4226 based on my place where i lived the aliexpress €60 for that combo is expensive as i get the 2667 v2 and a motherboard combo with ddr3 32gb ram ecc less than £30 if youre saying that add on £30 isnt a lot for my place its like adding another 200 bucks
I absolutely LOVED my e5 1650v2 Xeon and x79 board. Sadly even overclocked they are hanging with Ryzen 1600 and losing to 2600s and beyond nowadays. Used 1st and 2nd gen Ryzen CPUs paired with a B450 mobo are strong contenders in the budget space. However as you show here the old Xeons can be had for dirt cheap and are still plenty fun to mess with and depending on one's region and budget are surprising. Small budget builds have a satisfaction all their own.
Ordered my first AliExpress Xeon mobo few days ago for a NAS/homelab project. It was about 150USD (shipped + customs) for server-like mobo, with 6 RAM slots, 2x2.5Gbit Intel NIC, 10 SATA ports, 2xNVMe PCI-E slots, paired with Xeon E5-2680v4 (14c/28t) with full virtualization, AVX/AVX2 support and 40 PCI-E lanes for server addons. I hope it will be stable in the long run. CPU won't be tasked much, but I plan to run few VMs and dockers, so having more cores will be nice. For gamers, there are also higher clocked Xeons with less cores.
Awesome I love a project! Really hope it serves you well it’s a great platform. The 2667v3 is a personal favourite 8cores 16threads at 3.4GHz all core 💪🏼
Yes, I got it. Search for "XEON Nas Motherboard Kit 10 SATA" and it should show as a first result. It's a motherboard with 6 RAM slots (2 on left, 4 on right), 2 NVMe slots (one vertical on the left side of the CPU socket, one horizontal on the bottom of the board), 2*PCI-Ex16, 1*PCI-Ex8. There is also a "Cloud Star" text in the middle of the motherboard. Everything is working: virtualization, bifurcation (configurable in BIOS for all slots), all SATA ports, all NICs. I've connected 8xHDD, 2xSATA SDD, 2xNVMe and it's running great. Tested on Windows 10 and 11, as well as Ubuntu 24.04.1. BIOS has A LOT of settings and the ones that I needed all worked (energy management, SATA and NVMe config, legacy vs. UEFI boot etc.). Tested with 2 CPUs: one that came with motherboard E5-2680v4 (14c/28t) and one I bought locally E5-2620v4 (8c/16t). Both working without problems. I am using E5-2620v4 because 8c is enough for my use and it has lower TDP. Also lower NVMe slot seems to share lanes with PCI-Ex8 slot, so have that in mind. I've used 4x32GB of Samsung ECC RDIMM 2400MHz DDR4 - dirt cheap and stable with both E5-2680v4 (running at 2400MHz) and E5-2620v4 (running at 2133MHz). Tested on both CPUs with 24h MemTest run. ECC works as well. One downside - energy consumption. At default it uses around 65W (measured at wall) in idle with 1*NVMe drive and E2680v4 (14c). After BIOS optimizations it came down to 58W. With E5-2620v4 it came down another 2W, to 56W. CPU supports states from C1 to C3. Overall I'm happy with my purchase. Time will tell how this motherboard will fare in a longtime 24/7 run. I plan to use it for maybe 2 years while slowly learning as much as I can in the home lab environment. After that I would want swap it to something more energy efficient and more modern. That said, If I were to build my home lab setup today, I would probably go with something like CWWK Q670 with a 12th gen Intel CPU on board. It has less expansion due to CPU having less PCI-E lanes and smaller size (mITX), but at the same time it has a vPro support for remote management, CPU has a modern iGPU for Plex/Jellyfin hardware acceleration, a lot lower power consumption in idle, it supports T line of CPUs with 35W TDP etc. Modern i5 core will have a lot higher single core performance as older Xeon as well. No ECC sadly, but for a home lab I think internal sort-of ECC in DDR5 would suffice. Downside - mobo+CPU+64GB DDR5 will cost twice as much as the Xeon+mobo+128GB for the initial investment. For me it would take around 3 years to get it back in energy savings.
Surprised with the performance of the intel Xeon E2680V2, I reckon you might even be able to pair this with a slightly more powerful GPU too and it would still do well, great video as always mate!
Definitely! I expected a lot worse in the percentiles, something like a 4060 with frame generation would be interesting. Thanks mate appreciate the comment 🙏🏼
I have the same chip running at 3.6 base all core and 4.3 boost all core with a fsb overclock and .17 voltage offset it burns through everything my niece wants it to do I used 32gb of corsair beast 2400mhz and a evga 1070 sc for the main gpu and a 1050 ti for obs it burns through everything at 1080 high to ultra with no issues and pulls good fps tuned at those clocks its on a Asus workstation board real good bios for tuning the xeons
i have a motherboard very similar as my "daily drive" for work. But more green! They can use ex server cpu's and memory that you can buy for pence so what is not good. I think the Frankenstein motherboard may use e waste chips but i've used one for the last 2 years and only changed it because it was easier to build another one to be able to swap it out. The 64gb of ddr3 in dual channel mode was £5!
Yes it was hard to find a cheap non green board! They’ve definitely come a long way in the last couple of years as well and two years use just goes to show 😎
I have the same problem, now my kids are on board, and they're editing videos for me since they're both in TV production class, at least until they're old enough to be on camera, they can pay me to edit videos on my piles of ebay finds. I've certainly had some fun with those Machinist boards, I wish they had some AMD platform stuff too.
I’ve seen the AMD stuff they do but it seems a little pricey compared to used stuff here in the UK at the moment. Machinist are definitely one of the more reputable brands on Ali I think.
intteresting build. i built a daily driver home office pc with an Aaliexpress kit e5-2650 v2 w/ddr3-1333 16gb 4x4gb ecc, kllisre x79 mobo. snoweman downdraft air cooler. built this back in oct 2021. running limux mint 20.3 cinnamon,
You may go similar cheaper with a HP Z420 and this CPU, I have one but with a Xeon E5 1680 V2 paired with an RTX 3060Ti and COD MW runs at 70-80 FPS in 1080p in balanced quality settings, no DLSS. Regarding lack of AVX2, everyone mentions it but haven't seen an issue with newer games running on AVX1. I would like to see someone do a comparison test and share the results. After all these years, these old CPU's are still relevant and perform quite well given their cost. A lovely CPU you have, enjoy it many years!
No personally not having AVX2 doesn’t bother me, it does affect the percentages in some games but really when your working on this end of the market it’s going to be a hell of a lot better than the 4core equivalent. Xeon all the way for budget builds.
Xeons rule , you get the 'facebook seller' selling a moderate PC for £300/350 then you get the xeon and it £120 and runs rings around it , good vid graphs are good
Yes I’m definitely going to be using these value Xeon combos for my budget builds In future. I’ll be keeping this board for myself but I’ve ordered a 2666v3 and X99 combo for £54 delivered with 16GB ram 💪🏼
Those slots look like they belong to two 3090 GPUs NVLinked. If both of those are PCIex16 slots, then games would be a bit smoother. Yes, one is used in gaming with the other providing PhysX; no SLI. That is from testing and not just using 8x PCIe 3.0 bandwidth. This would make good for an editor and gamer. You would not have the gaming performance of a 4090, but would be on par or greater for machine learning or rendering. The CPU tradeoff would be the determining factor.
Got a tower with a xenon for 45 bucks , bought case , gpu. Psu , and rgb light and and nice cooler . Total build like 210 ..the gpu was 130 $ but I had to research the cheapest gaming pc build was about 600 at microcenter with no gpu .
Always cheaper to build yourself but I do wish we had microcentre in the UK! Noting like that here you just have to bargain hunt! Sounds like a nice little build 😎
It’s not too bad on these Ali boards as they seem to be power limited or at least the cheaper ones but yes in the world of 8core 65w parts these days they are a little juicy! That said I had an i7 12700 for a customer build and that was pulling 180w on turbo.
a short tipp for u to gettin more outta ur Xeon im using it my self use a Gigabyte X79 board they have 8 Ram Slots and a hell outta Power + Overcloack Protections and much more good Feautures for that CPU :) and the FPS are not caused by the CPU they botteld by the GPU i can say i got in most of my games 200-300Fps all the time only Pretty new games handle me down to 60-80 Fps and even that is not a Problem ^^
@@andystech101 Thanks for the response mate. Yeah you're right, its quite slow clock speeds out of the box but I was planning to flash the bios to force turbo and hopefully use it as a workstation and budget gaming rig. 😉
I'm currently running a xeon e5-2690v2, 32gb RAM. With an RX-590 and it plays near enough everything at ultra 1440. Apart from the new forza. So gpu upgrade coming soon 😅
You can overcome numa problems with a dual cpu setup by adjusting cpu affinity, but as i assume you're after a budget build just buy a single cpu mb that's cheaper :D
I do want to play around with a dual cpu board! Might just wait to grab one cheap on an Ali sale! This board is still going strong 18 months later though! £35 well spent.
The limitation now only coz it's Mobo old features.. with slow transfer speed will be mode ruin. Btw for someone who don't care on this matter, this build not such a problem and it's perform very well for light gaming for budget cost. And the most important value very good for server user to avoid error. Recommend for 24/7 turn on without problem of error.
2666v3 and a cheap board with 32GB ddr4 ram at the moment come in at under £60! Awesome value and yes agreed I would get on AM4 for a little more if you can but you can pair a 3060 12GB no problem with that above combo 💪🏼
Ir you need a lot of power cheap from the go, go for xeon. If you don't, just build a cheap am4 combo with an athlon 3000 or a basic ryzen with a good power supply and you upgrade it later.
AM4 is definitely the better option if you can make the jump. Cheap B450 £50/£60 and the world’s your oyster. I would recommend going for a V3/V4 Xeon with some DDR4 if you did go for the Xeon over AM4 though.
Ive got a 2670 v3.12 core. Clock speed is a bit lower than yours. 2.30 base/3.10 turbo but its no slouch even then runs everything i chuck at it. Paired with a gtx 980. Theres YT footage of this chip playing Starfield with more modern GPUs.
I prefer x99 ddr3 xeons. The 2678v3 with the turbo unlock hack, a machinist x99 rs9, and 16gb of quad channel ddr4 ecc is about 100 for the full combo, and meets ~ryzen 2700x gaming performance, much greater multitasking, as well as resizable bar support for things like budget intel arc cards
Yes definitely worth spending a little more if you’ve got it and the v3/v4 Xeon’s are great. It still performs reasonably well for the price when looking at other combos around the £50/£60 mark 😎
If we consider both performance and power efficiency, which of these two chips would be better to get?? 2680-V2 or 2690-V2 Is there a big difference in power consumption between these two chips or is it about the same if we run the 2690 at a lower frequency to match the 2680?? I'm looking to buy one with low power consumption but also decent performance.
Both are quite juicy tbh. I would go X79 if you’re looking for power efficiency. Though the cheap Ali express boards tend to have a power limit so you won’t be pulling the full 130w
At this point in time I couldn’t tell you but it was nothing amazing as these old Xeons pull 120w+ under-load. That said the new i7’s etc pull a lot more
I’m currently running an “Atermiter” X99 with a Xeon E5-2667 v4 and 24 Gb of ram. 8 cores, double threaded, 3.2 GHz base. Currently running with an RR-580 4Gb card. Will it run Elden Ring? No. Will it run CAD and AoE2 DE? Absolutely.
I’d probably say your gpu is letting you down on the Eldon Ring front as you should be able to pair an RTX3060/RX6600 quite happily with the 2667 v4 it’s still a little beast and easily keeps up with a 1st/2nd gen 8core Ryzen!
Pro’s and con’s you’d be better off going for a 2666 v3 for gaming due to the higher clocks. 2650v4 has a lot of cores but they only run 2.5GHz and the 2580 v4 runs at 2.7GHZ all core but 14cores 🤩👌🏼
Will the 2650 v4 pair well with something like a 1660 ti/2060 super/3060 12gb? I'm looking to upgrade my motherboard since my current one can't facilitate a PSU upgrade and I'm stuck gaming on a 1050 ti which is basically a paperweight at this point. Wondering if I can switch over to the 2650 v5 and still get strong 1080p/1440p performance with it or if it will bottleneck.
Yes the 2650 v4 will pair well with a 2060super and 1660ti. 3060 12GB would be the limit I’d pair with it. There are better options than the 2650v4 but I guess you’re looking at the cheap $50 combos! The 2666 v3 is a better chip personally 😎
@@andystech101 Yep! Looking at the $50 combo on AliExpress. I'm currently on an i7-8700 but an 1151 motherboard is around $100 already as is. I figured I'd save a few extra bucks and go with this if it would work well with it. Plus I'll be handing my current motherboard/cpu off to a family member as well so it won't be going to waste. Thank you for the quick response!
@@andystech101 Ok sorry! I'm back again and one more question. 2070 super will pair? I think I've settled on that GPU, as I'll be doing some AI Stuff, I've read that's the best bang for buck card but also want to make sure video game performance will also still be pretty well. $210 used price is ok and it will pair fine?
How does the power consumption hold up? I'm on the fence of going xeons for the core for $ I pay for ( 8 cores on a budget is my target) vs going Newer 6 cores to be more efficient with power
It’s not too bad I can’t give you exact figures but around 120ish watts form the cpu. Best bet would be to go X99 with a v3 or v4 Xeon as you can get so pretty efficient chips on that platform.
If you go through the coins section, with codes and coins discount, I just picked up Machinist MR9A X99 for 37$ with tax and 2667 V3 for 6.5$ with tax. Now just need to get some ram.
Is biostar H61MHV compatible with xeon e3 1220 sandy bridge lga 1155? Im afraid that it wont be compatible any help?+ does e3 sandy bridge mean that it will work on every lga 1155 or?
You make an excellent argument. I am thankful for your videos. You have an amazing video editing talent, what rig do you use for editing ? I would like to note that unfortunately Chinese motherboards are lacking in terms of overclocking, warranty, and buyer protection. If you come across any problem you would loose money. The motherboards are getting expensive by the day, so the regular brands make more sense. Again I thank you so much.
Yes agreed there! Thankfully I’ve not had any problems as of yet with this board or any Ali board I’ve brought. Yes features are lacking but most users just want an out the box experience. Thanks I try 😂 My main rig is an i5 13400F and 7800XT with 32GB ram, 1TB NVMe. This was nice to build as I was working with a 5600G before 💪🏼
@@andystech101You can bclk over clock these chips with up to a 20 series card without the gpu bugging out from the excess base voltage if your vrm will take it and the bios will allow you to tune ram timings and unlock voltage limits I have a Asus ws pro board running a pretty decent over clock and getting 3.588 base all cores and 4.188 boost on a noctua tower cooler evga 1070 ti sc for the main monitor and a evga 1050 ti sc for the capture card and second monitor I put it together for my niece to game stream whatever with and so far its done everything she wants it to and does it pretty well think I'm gonna get her 5700xt for the main and using the 1070 for the capture card though I would go 2080 ti for the main but they seem to die pretty often from ram issues
14cores 28threads isn’t too shabby but for gaming it has quite a low base clock at 2.4Ghz and it won’t go much above that 2.7/2.8GHz so there’s better options out there. Depends on the price.
@@andystech101 e5 2697 v3 has better performance in all xeon processors e5 2697 is almost equal to Ryzen 5 5600x and price is too low around 10 to 20 bucks
😃 wow thats pretty cool, this looks like its even cheaper than a brand new but kinda slow little ryzen 5 4500 and A520 combo, the 5700g is one of those weird lower tier chips like the 5600g, the number schemes are kinda confusing eh. We need a new song for the Xeons like we have for the Pentiums, its all about the pentiums 😄 thanks bro for checking out the xeons
Thanks for the comment really appreciate it. Yes got to love Xeon’s, what more do you need for a budget system in 2024! I mean the 4core i7’s are almost dead at this point! Just picked up a E5 2689 for £1.18 on Ali 🤩 8cores 16threads for a £1 what’s not to love 🙏🏼
I do have better gpu’s but I wanted to standardise the test against the 5700G. Tbh if you can afford a better gpu your probably looking for a better platform than this. Budget focused 💪🏼
Good value, but beware the quality. These Chinese motherboards are somewhat hit-or-miss, they will most likely work for a bout a year, and then develop problems. Questionable solder work and low quality capacitors etc. are the main issue. The "heatsink" over the mosfets (above the processor) on this motherboard is most likely not a real heatsink, in the sense that it will do very little to help dissipate heat. Had a very similar board (x79) with the exact same style of heatsink and it actually required active cooling to help even a little. Put a 92mm fan angled towards it and the board stopped throttling the CPU. Then after about a year the board died. Have not bothered with China-boards since :)
Yes good point and one you kind of have to accept buying this stuff but for the price if it does you a year/two doesn’t seem too bad. It is currently still working as it should 😎
Hi folks hope you enjoy the video, you get bonus points for every time I say combo 🤦🏽❤️
Been using a Huananzxi dual socket x79 for years now, been working fine!
Two of these would be an interesting idea in a motherboard! Had the dual LGA1356 system a few weeks back but the CPUs are limited on that platform.
Thanks!
Awesome, thank you so much 😎
My sister really wanted to buy a computer for her son for xmas but the cheapest one she could find locally was around $500 used and it was old and junky lookinng. I built her a system using cheap xeon parts from aliexpress and a case/power supply from newegg for around $220 and it looks amazing and plays amazing! he still uses it today for fortnite/r6 seige ect.
Awesome stuff 😎 always pays to shop around and do it yourself
@@andystech101 your right it truely does! for non enthusiasts I recommond xeons everyday of the week. I mean why the hell not? older ryzens are ok too thou!
Build list?
Aswome dude .. those xeons are beast
I got one other day and mine won't post any help it powers up but nothing comes on screen
Great job, been a Xeon fan for years now for building Gaming PC. I have 2 Lenovo ThinkStation P500 and P510 (got them for $100 each) running a Xeon E5-2697 v3 and a Xeon E5-2697A V4, both with 32GB Ram. Added a GTX1660Ti 6GB and a RTX3060 8GB and they are awesome for gaming.
ThinkStations are definitely a good route to go and they look a lot better than the Dells! Can’t wait for cheap X299’s but there a way off me thinks.
Hard to beat the older xeons for value. The lack AVX 2 will likely be a limitation in the near future
Yes definitely but it performs well at the moment and I’ve even been playing Starfield on the system fine! Will be looking into the v3/v4 Xeons as well at some point but I’ve got a 2666 v2 I want to test first 🤩
Not the E5 V3's...they have AVX2....at least the E5-2678v3 and the E5-2696v3 in my home. The later is selling for $45 and has 18 cores/36 threads, a turbo boost of 3.8Ghz, and a TDP of 145W. Both support DDR3 or DDR4, depending on the X99 motherboard chosen. One MUST turbounlock (TU) the E5-2XXXv3's variants, to capture maximum performance. Also, be sure to use a motherboard with 4 DIMM slots, to ensure implementation of memory in 4 channel. RAm is limited on these CPU's to 2133Mhz...but in 4 channel this is roughly equivalent to 4200Mhz in 2 channel.
My 2696v3 scores 14,050 pts on CB R23 multi. Runs cool on air, never exceeding 53C at 20C ambient with a 6x6mm dual 120mm cooler.
In gaming, the 18C/36T CPU hovers around 3.7Ghz all core with TU. Under heavy 100% test loading, the TDP limit drives down clocks to 2.8Ghz all core.
1680v2 here. The only game that requires AVX2 so far is Alan Wake 2. I tried it and the game just wont start at all.
@DLK92 Who wants to play Alan Wake anyway 💪🏼
It's a performance bottleneck for mixed processing LLMs (aka using CPU and GPU at the same time, a common tactic when dealing with models bigger than your GPU can hold), and some Skyrim physics mods require it, but other than those I haven't seen much useful demand for AVX-2 or AVX-512 yet. It's going to start being demanded eventually though.
Nice Video, the X79 is a good platform for budget builds but the X99 is getting cheaper and you might find some deals, i got a Machinist X99-PR9 for $26 and paired it with the E5-2620 V3 which i got for $2 and got a small cooler for $4 with 8GB DDR4 ram for $10 all for $45 from Aliexpress + seeing the E5-2680 V2 competing with the R7 5700G is wild.
I’d agree with you there with X99. I think if you can spend the extra especially 9 months on. They’re really good little boards the X99-PR9 and I’ve used a few now for budget builds. That said I think we’ll get another year or two out of X79 before it’s rendered to the realms of X58! Still my favourite but just not really usable these days due to the lack of instruction sets!
I'm all about this 👍 Thanks m8 great video and subscribed.
Thanks really appreciate it 😁
0:00 I'm dealing with that problem too, is hard to stop LOL
Yeah might have to find a 12 step recovery program if it gets any worse 😅
I have 4 enterprise servers with dual socket 2670v2 in 3 of them and 1 with a 2650v4. These things throw some heat but still do well to this day. I have 256 gigs of memory in each box.
Yeah got to love the Xeons and by all accounts they do better than the new W chips on the 2066 platform ( gaming wise )
oh my haha I just got my xeon 2667 v2 too and it is awesome lga 2011 is quite cheap, now its my main pc btw noice video as always
Funny you say that I’ve, got the 2667 v2 next on the list 😎
@@andystech101 I found the 2667 v2 to be the sweet spot on Cinebench R15 and Valley/Heaven benchmarks on my HP Z420. I tested the 1620, 1650, 2667, 2690 and 2697 v2 with the GTX 1060 6GB, and the 2667 was the best all rounder. I also play Command Modern Operations, where I though the 2697 with 12C/24T would excel, but the better clock speed of the 2667 beat it out. Xeon addiction is bad, I've just ordered a 1660 v2, and have quite a collection of X58 based older Xeons ("W' and 'X' Xeons) for my older HP Z400 :)
I don't get why you bought that crap. You can actually get an x99 and e5-2697v3 with the same price and can beat ryzen 5 5600g
@tyrellwreleck4226 Not delivered to your door with 32GB ddr4, a full size ATX board and cpu so yes I brought that crap for £60, yes you can get cheap X99 combos on Ali express. I use £50 combos for my budget builds but the cheap mATX boards aren’t great and are very limited. Also prices have come down for X99 in the 6 months since I made this video.
@@tyrellwreleck4226 based on my place where i lived the aliexpress €60 for that combo is expensive as i get the 2667 v2 and a motherboard combo with ddr3 32gb ram ecc less than £30 if youre saying that add on £30 isnt a lot for my place its like adding another 200 bucks
Bought myself a Xeon 5670 for £20 2 years ago and overclocked it to 3.3 GHz on an old p5e mainboard. Best PC I ever had!
Nice 😎
Can you send me an easy way to use the turbo and does it need a coolant?
I absolutely LOVED my e5 1650v2 Xeon and x79 board. Sadly even overclocked they are hanging with Ryzen 1600 and losing to 2600s and beyond nowadays. Used 1st and 2nd gen Ryzen CPUs paired with a B450 mobo are strong contenders in the budget space. However as you show here the old Xeons can be had for dirt cheap and are still plenty fun to mess with and depending on one's region and budget are surprising. Small budget builds have a satisfaction all their own.
i currently have a 2689 on an x79 board that used to run okay but is now clearly bottelnecking my rx580. is the 1650v2 a good replacement?
@@atarizd Well the 1650v2 has a higher boost clock and better single core speed so for games it will be better.
I’d go with the 1650v2 as it will be better for gaming in your use case
Hey, thank you for your response. @@andystech101
Ordered my first AliExpress Xeon mobo few days ago for a NAS/homelab project. It was about 150USD (shipped + customs) for server-like mobo, with 6 RAM slots, 2x2.5Gbit Intel NIC, 10 SATA ports, 2xNVMe PCI-E slots, paired with Xeon E5-2680v4 (14c/28t) with full virtualization, AVX/AVX2 support and 40 PCI-E lanes for server addons. I hope it will be stable in the long run. CPU won't be tasked much, but I plan to run few VMs and dockers, so having more cores will be nice. For gamers, there are also higher clocked Xeons with less cores.
Awesome I love a project! Really hope it serves you well it’s a great platform. The 2667v3 is a personal favourite 8cores 16threads at 3.4GHz all core 💪🏼
Did you get it? did it support virtualization? link it
Yes, I got it. Search for "XEON Nas Motherboard Kit 10 SATA" and it should show as a first result. It's a motherboard with 6 RAM slots (2 on left, 4 on right), 2 NVMe slots (one vertical on the left side of the CPU socket, one horizontal on the bottom of the board), 2*PCI-Ex16, 1*PCI-Ex8. There is also a "Cloud Star" text in the middle of the motherboard.
Everything is working: virtualization, bifurcation (configurable in BIOS for all slots), all SATA ports, all NICs. I've connected 8xHDD, 2xSATA SDD, 2xNVMe and it's running great. Tested on Windows 10 and 11, as well as Ubuntu 24.04.1. BIOS has A LOT of settings and the ones that I needed all worked (energy management, SATA and NVMe config, legacy vs. UEFI boot etc.). Tested with 2 CPUs: one that came with motherboard E5-2680v4 (14c/28t) and one I bought locally E5-2620v4 (8c/16t). Both working without problems. I am using E5-2620v4 because 8c is enough for my use and it has lower TDP. Also lower NVMe slot seems to share lanes with PCI-Ex8 slot, so have that in mind.
I've used 4x32GB of Samsung ECC RDIMM 2400MHz DDR4 - dirt cheap and stable with both E5-2680v4 (running at 2400MHz) and E5-2620v4 (running at 2133MHz). Tested on both CPUs with 24h MemTest run. ECC works as well.
One downside - energy consumption. At default it uses around 65W (measured at wall) in idle with 1*NVMe drive and E2680v4 (14c). After BIOS optimizations it came down to 58W. With E5-2620v4 it came down another 2W, to 56W. CPU supports states from C1 to C3.
Overall I'm happy with my purchase. Time will tell how this motherboard will fare in a longtime 24/7 run. I plan to use it for maybe 2 years while slowly learning as much as I can in the home lab environment. After that I would want swap it to something more energy efficient and more modern.
That said, If I were to build my home lab setup today, I would probably go with something like CWWK Q670 with a 12th gen Intel CPU on board. It has less expansion due to CPU having less PCI-E lanes and smaller size (mITX), but at the same time it has a vPro support for remote management, CPU has a modern iGPU for Plex/Jellyfin hardware acceleration, a lot lower power consumption in idle, it supports T line of CPUs with 35W TDP etc. Modern i5 core will have a lot higher single core performance as older Xeon as well. No ECC sadly, but for a home lab I think internal sort-of ECC in DDR5 would suffice. Downside - mobo+CPU+64GB DDR5 will cost twice as much as the Xeon+mobo+128GB for the initial investment. For me it would take around 3 years to get it back in energy savings.
Love Xeon's. Got an old HP Z440. E5 1650V3 32g 2133 k2200 Quadro. $230 Australian. I put an NVME in on an ($29) HP Turbo pci-e adaptor.
Surprised with the performance of the intel Xeon E2680V2, I reckon you might even be able to pair this with a slightly more powerful GPU too and it would still do well, great video as always mate!
Definitely! I expected a lot worse in the percentiles, something like a 4060 with frame generation would be interesting. Thanks mate appreciate the comment 🙏🏼
I have the same chip running at 3.6 base all core and 4.3 boost all core with a fsb overclock and .17 voltage offset it burns through everything my niece wants it to do I used 32gb of corsair beast 2400mhz and a evga 1070 sc for the main gpu and a 1050 ti for obs it burns through everything at 1080 high to ultra with no issues and pulls good fps tuned at those clocks its on a Asus workstation board real good bios for tuning the xeons
That's a rock solid 1080P rig. Granted AVX2 may be a problem later on. I like it.
Yes definitely and I’m looking at similar v3/v4 combos at the moment but it still handles what I throw at it even Starfield 😅
That's a good looking board with dinner pretty modern features damn
For the price and the price of the cpu I’m not complaining, managed 60+ fps in Starfield as well 💪🏼
i have a motherboard very similar as my "daily drive" for work. But more green! They can use ex server cpu's and memory that you can buy for pence so what is not good. I think the Frankenstein motherboard may use e waste chips but i've used one for the last 2 years and only changed it because it was easier to build another one to be able to swap it out. The 64gb of ddr3 in dual channel mode was £5!
Yes it was hard to find a cheap non green board! They’ve definitely come a long way in the last couple of years as well and two years use just goes to show 😎
Ah the Garden shot. A man of tatste
It’s more of a 2 bed semi with no room thing haha
I have the same problem, now my kids are on board, and they're editing videos for me since they're both in TV production class, at least until they're old enough to be on camera, they can pay me to edit videos on my piles of ebay finds. I've certainly had some fun with those Machinist boards, I wish they had some AMD platform stuff too.
I’ve seen the AMD stuff they do but it seems a little pricey compared to used stuff here in the UK at the moment. Machinist are definitely one of the more reputable brands on Ali I think.
@@andystech101 For sure! I've never seen anything AMD on Ali, I'm going to have to dig a bit deeper!
intteresting build. i built a daily driver home office pc with an Aaliexpress kit e5-2650 v2 w/ddr3-1333 16gb 4x4gb ecc, kllisre x79 mobo. snoweman downdraft air cooler. built this back in oct 2021. running limux mint 20.3 cinnamon,
You may go similar cheaper with a HP Z420 and this CPU, I have one but with a Xeon E5 1680 V2 paired with an RTX 3060Ti and COD MW runs at 70-80 FPS in 1080p in balanced quality settings, no DLSS. Regarding lack of AVX2, everyone mentions it but haven't seen an issue with newer games running on AVX1. I would like to see someone do a comparison test and share the results. After all these years, these old CPU's are still relevant and perform quite well given their cost. A lovely CPU you have, enjoy it many years!
No personally not having AVX2 doesn’t bother me, it does affect the percentages in some games but really when your working on this end of the market it’s going to be a hell of a lot better than the 4core equivalent. Xeon all the way for budget builds.
I'm using Dell 5820 with xeon W-2195, 256GB DDR4 ECC Reg. and RTX 3080 Ti. Everything runs awesome.
Love those Dell workstations! 😎
@@andystech101 Dell is the best!
Xeons rule , you get the 'facebook seller' selling a moderate PC for £300/350 then you get the xeon and it £120 and runs rings around it , good vid graphs are good
Yes I’m definitely going to be using these value Xeon combos for my budget builds In future. I’ll be keeping this board for myself but I’ve ordered a 2666v3 and X99 combo for £54 delivered with 16GB ram 💪🏼
@@andystech101 lol that's a good price
Those slots look like they belong to two 3090 GPUs NVLinked. If both of those are PCIex16 slots, then games would be a bit smoother. Yes, one is used in gaming with the other providing PhysX; no SLI. That is from testing and not just using 8x PCIe 3.0 bandwidth. This would make good for an editor and gamer. You would not have the gaming performance of a 4090, but would be on par or greater for machine learning or rendering. The CPU tradeoff would be the determining factor.
X99 2680 v4 combo works similar to Ryzen 5 3600. You can pair it with an RX 6600 or the highest RTX 4060 with a bit bottleneck
Just with more cores 🤩
Got a tower with a xenon for 45 bucks , bought case , gpu. Psu , and rgb light and and nice cooler . Total build like 210 ..the gpu was 130 $ but I had to research the cheapest gaming pc build was about 600 at microcenter with no gpu .
Always cheaper to build yourself but I do wish we had microcentre in the UK! Noting like that here you just have to bargain hunt! Sounds like a nice little build 😎
Cool motherboard and video.
The problem with Xeon is power consumption
It’s not too bad on these Ali boards as they seem to be power limited or at least the cheaper ones but yes in the world of 8core 65w parts these days they are a little juicy! That said I had an i7 12700 for a customer build and that was pulling 180w on turbo.
It's really depends on a country where you live I think
Andy you can do it ... yah meow power over9000
a short tipp for u to gettin more outta ur Xeon im using it my self use a Gigabyte X79 board they have 8 Ram Slots and a hell outta Power + Overcloack Protections and much more good Feautures for that CPU :) and the FPS are not caused by the CPU they botteld by the GPU i can say i got in most of my games 200-300Fps all the time only Pretty new games handle me down to 60-80 Fps and even that is not a Problem ^^
I am running a dual 2630v2 System with 512GB RAM and a GTX1660. I love it using Kubuntu.
I used to have tae kwon do classes when i was at highschool.
Nice 😎
Is £19 including delivery a good price for a Xeon E5-2698 v3?
Need to try and get a decent but efficient graphics card now. 🤔
Yes that’s a good price, it is though quite a low clocked chip so there’s better options for gaming.
@@andystech101 Thanks for the response mate. Yeah you're right, its quite slow clock speeds out of the box but I was planning to flash the bios to force turbo and hopefully use it as a workstation and budget gaming rig. 😉
cool video. I want to buy too much computer stuff
Haha same! It’s so tempting with Ali express as well….
I just got a 2698 v4 for $80 us. I have an msi x99 gaming 9 ack that still kicking 😅. Going to add more ram next week
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Thanks for the heads up! Did you try to install windows 11 on it?
I'm currently running a xeon e5-2690v2, 32gb RAM. With an RX-590 and it plays near enough everything at ultra 1440. Apart from the new forza. So gpu upgrade coming soon 😅
Yeah the new Forza is a bit of a beast 😎
You can overcome numa problems with a dual cpu setup by adjusting cpu affinity, but as i assume you're after a budget build just buy a single cpu mb that's cheaper :D
I do want to play around with a dual cpu board! Might just wait to grab one cheap on an Ali sale! This board is still going strong 18 months later though! £35 well spent.
The limitation now only coz it's Mobo old features.. with slow transfer speed will be mode ruin. Btw for someone who don't care on this matter, this build not such a problem and it's perform very well for light gaming for budget cost. And the most important value very good for server user to avoid error. Recommend for 24/7 turn on without problem of error.
2666v3 and a cheap board with 32GB ddr4 ram at the moment come in at under £60! Awesome value and yes agreed I would get on AM4 for a little more if you can but you can pair a 3060 12GB no problem with that above combo 💪🏼
this is insane for this money
Not too shabby 😎
Ir you need a lot of power cheap from the go, go for xeon. If you don't, just build a cheap am4 combo with an athlon 3000 or a basic ryzen with a good power supply and you upgrade it later.
AM4 is definitely the better option if you can make the jump. Cheap B450 £50/£60 and the world’s your oyster. I would recommend going for a V3/V4 Xeon with some DDR4 if you did go for the Xeon over AM4 though.
Ive got a 2670 v3.12 core. Clock speed is a bit lower than yours. 2.30 base/3.10 turbo but its no slouch even then runs everything i chuck at it. Paired with a gtx 980. Theres YT footage of this chip playing Starfield with more modern GPUs.
I’ve been playing Starfield on this combo for the last week 💪🏼 it’s not blow your mind but it’s keeping up
I prefer x99 ddr3 xeons. The 2678v3 with the turbo unlock hack, a machinist x99 rs9, and 16gb of quad channel ddr4 ecc is about 100 for the full combo, and meets ~ryzen 2700x gaming performance, much greater multitasking, as well as resizable bar support for things like budget intel arc cards
Yes definitely worth spending a little more if you’ve got it and the v3/v4 Xeon’s are great. It still performs reasonably well for the price when looking at other combos around the £50/£60 mark 😎
Anyone seen any long term use results with any of these chinese boards under high core count/tdp processors?
This one’s still going but I’d say 12/24 months before something goes pop
ive tried 100s of xeons from all generations but my fav is the e5 2620v3 its like 2-4 bucks and 6c12t 2.4 -3.2 ghz turbo on x99 ddr4 ecc
I’ll have to have a look at that one, I’ve had a 2640 but not the 2620.
Dude the best Xeon hands down is the Xeon E3 1220L V2
Awesome chip for a router build
If we consider both performance and power efficiency, which of these two chips would be better to get?? 2680-V2 or 2690-V2 Is there a big difference in power consumption between these two chips or is it about the same if we run the 2690 at a lower frequency to match the 2680?? I'm looking to buy one with low power consumption but also decent performance.
Both are quite juicy tbh. I would go X79 if you’re looking for power efficiency. Though the cheap Ali express boards tend to have a power limit so you won’t be pulling the full 130w
what is thepower consumption in indle and average use ?
At this point in time I couldn’t tell you but it was nothing amazing as these old Xeons pull 120w+ under-load. That said the new i7’s etc pull a lot more
What is the idle power of the motherboard and chip without the gaming video card? I need a nice efficient multicore setup for virtualization.
There are lower power chips as I believe this pulls quite a lot. How much I couldn’t tell you off the top of my head.
hi andy can you make videos about old xeon with avx2? i want to replace my 2690v2 with the one that have avx2
Yes looking at making some V3/V4 content 😎
@@andystech101 that is awesome! thanks man.
I’m currently running an “Atermiter” X99 with a Xeon E5-2667 v4 and 24 Gb of ram. 8 cores, double threaded, 3.2 GHz base. Currently running with an RR-580 4Gb card. Will it run Elden Ring? No. Will it run CAD and AoE2 DE? Absolutely.
I’d probably say your gpu is letting you down on the Eldon Ring front as you should be able to pair an RTX3060/RX6600 quite happily with the 2667 v4 it’s still a little beast and easily keeps up with a 1st/2nd gen 8core Ryzen!
X99+ xeon e5 2650v4 or x99+ xeon e5 2680 v4 who's the better combo for gaming??
And keep up bro good stuff
Pro’s and con’s you’d be better off going for a 2666 v3 for gaming due to the higher clocks. 2650v4 has a lot of cores but they only run 2.5GHz and the 2580 v4 runs at 2.7GHZ all core but 14cores 🤩👌🏼
Will the 2650 v4 pair well with something like a 1660 ti/2060 super/3060 12gb? I'm looking to upgrade my motherboard since my current one can't facilitate a PSU upgrade and I'm stuck gaming on a 1050 ti which is basically a paperweight at this point. Wondering if I can switch over to the 2650 v5 and still get strong 1080p/1440p performance with it or if it will bottleneck.
Yes the 2650 v4 will pair well with a 2060super and 1660ti. 3060 12GB would be the limit I’d pair with it. There are better options than the 2650v4 but I guess you’re looking at the cheap $50 combos! The 2666 v3 is a better chip personally 😎
@@andystech101 Yep! Looking at the $50 combo on AliExpress. I'm currently on an i7-8700 but an 1151 motherboard is around $100 already as is. I figured I'd save a few extra bucks and go with this if it would work well with it. Plus I'll be handing my current motherboard/cpu off to a family member as well so it won't be going to waste. Thank you for the quick response!
@@andystech101 Ok sorry! I'm back again and one more question. 2070 super will pair? I think I've settled on that GPU, as I'll be doing some AI Stuff, I've read that's the best bang for buck card but also want to make sure video game performance will also still be pretty well. $210 used price is ok and it will pair fine?
How does the power consumption hold up? I'm on the fence of going xeons for the core for $ I pay for ( 8 cores on a budget is my target) vs going Newer 6 cores to be more efficient with power
It’s not too bad I can’t give you exact figures but around 120ish watts form the cpu. Best bet would be to go X99 with a v3 or v4 Xeon as you can get so pretty efficient chips on that platform.
The deal breaker is the idle consumption on these X79 systems. Between 50 and 100W. A ryzen 3600 is faster and can idle at way lower power.
love from India 🥰🥰
Lots of love as well 🤍
Im not gamer by any means but would this be a good set up for a photo editing system? For the price ?
No personally I’d go for X99 with DDR4 and get 32GB in quad channel.
I got a X99-P4 with a 2650 V4 combo for $50.00 shipped.
Been looking at those, slightly different in the UK as well have to pay 20% on top but still a good deal 😎
where?
@@TSSRvingt AliExpress
ally express
"QIYIDA X99 motherboard set combo"
currently priced as 63 for a mobo cpu 16gb ram combo
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If you go through the coins section, with codes and coins discount, I just picked up Machinist MR9A X99 for 37$ with tax and 2667 V3 for 6.5$ with tax. Now just need to get some ram.
I couldn't find this motherboard if you can provide the link or a name that would be great
Amazing video as always
They’ve stopped selling it unfortunately 😫 just my luck, I must have brought one of the last ones. It is the Machinist X79Z 2.4F D
Is biostar H61MHV compatible with xeon e3 1220 sandy bridge lga 1155? Im afraid that it wont be compatible any help?+ does e3 sandy bridge mean that it will work on every lga 1155 or?
Yes that should work if the motherboard supports it. You can find that out on there website
i got the same cpu some months ago, but i paid 18 quid and i put it in a thinkstation barebones (no m2 slot) that i paid ~45 quid for
If you don't mind the Chinese malware that's not bad.
Haha 😉
You make an excellent argument. I am thankful for your videos. You have an amazing video editing talent, what rig do you use for editing ? I would like to note that unfortunately Chinese motherboards are lacking in terms of overclocking, warranty, and buyer protection. If you come across any problem you would loose money. The motherboards are getting expensive by the day, so the regular brands make more sense. Again I thank you so much.
Yes agreed there! Thankfully I’ve not had any problems as of yet with this board or any Ali board I’ve brought. Yes features are lacking but most users just want an out the box experience. Thanks I try 😂 My main rig is an i5 13400F and 7800XT with 32GB ram, 1TB NVMe. This was nice to build as I was working with a 5600G before 💪🏼
wonder if another board can unlock my xeons 9.5 multiplier
The more expensive boards have the overclocking features but I’ve not been tempted yet! I am coming around though!
How to connect a monitor?
You’ll need some sort of GPU as a display out as these Xeons don’t have integrated graphics.
Is the 1070 undervolted, or why is it only pulling about 100W in those benches ?
Yes 100mv the same as I ran the gpu with the 5700G 😎
@@andystech101You can bclk over clock these chips with up to a 20 series card without the gpu bugging out from the excess base voltage if your vrm will take it and the bios will allow you to tune ram timings and unlock voltage limits I have a Asus ws pro board running a pretty decent over clock and getting 3.588 base all cores and 4.188 boost on a noctua tower cooler evga 1070 ti sc for the main monitor and a evga 1050 ti sc for the capture card and second monitor I put it together for my niece to game stream whatever with and so far its done everything she wants it to and does it pretty well think I'm gonna get her 5700xt for the main and using the 1070 for the capture card though I would go 2080 ti for the main but they seem to die pretty often from ram issues
The motherboard alone is over 60. Where did you get it for 37?
Ali express, just wait for deals and hunt around.
What’s your opinion on the 2680 v4?
14cores 28threads isn’t too shabby but for gaming it has quite a low base clock at 2.4Ghz and it won’t go much above that 2.7/2.8GHz so there’s better options out there. Depends on the price.
how much w need for this motherboard
Haven’t had a problem with any chip I’ve run on it so far.
No links where to find it?
Unfortunately it’s discontinued now! Why! I don’t know because it’s a great board…
3rd gen INTEL boards , 4th Gen >> MUSTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT replace the JUNK I7 with a XEON !!!!!! MUST !!!!!! It Benches EXACTLY the same as a 7th Gen I7
Which xeon cpu?(i dont wanna buy the wrong one lol)
Better go for e5 2697 v3
Loads of options. X99 is the better bet to go for and the 2667 v3 is a good option as well, higher base and boost clock but you loose a few cores
@@andystech101 e5 2697 v3 has better performance in all xeon processors e5 2697 is almost equal to Ryzen 5 5600x and price is too low around 10 to 20 bucks
You forgot the links dude
I know know! It went out of stock just after the video and hasn’t been seen since 🤦🏽
How much is that in real money
Haha what’s real money?
@@andystech101 pokedollars
😃 wow thats pretty cool, this looks like its even cheaper than a brand new but kinda slow little ryzen 5 4500 and A520 combo, the 5700g is one of those weird lower tier chips like the 5600g, the number schemes are kinda confusing eh. We need a new song for the Xeons like we have for the Pentiums, its all about the pentiums 😄 thanks bro for checking out the xeons
Thanks for the comment really appreciate it. Yes got to love Xeon’s, what more do you need for a budget system in 2024! I mean the 4core i7’s are almost dead at this point! Just picked up a E5 2689 for £1.18 on Ali 🤩 8cores 16threads for a £1 what’s not to love 🙏🏼
@@andystech101 😏👍 good price
What are some good retailers that are reliable for buying Xeon hardware?
Generally Ali express for motherboards, eBay as well for cheap CPUs
you could do with a better gpu. x79 still got life in it :)
I do have better gpu’s but I wanted to standardise the test against the 5700G. Tbh if you can afford a better gpu your probably looking for a better platform than this. Budget focused 💪🏼
Good value, but beware the quality. These Chinese motherboards are somewhat hit-or-miss, they will most likely work for a bout a year, and then develop problems. Questionable solder work and low quality capacitors etc. are the main issue.
The "heatsink" over the mosfets (above the processor) on this motherboard is most likely not a real heatsink, in the sense that it will do very little to help dissipate heat. Had a very similar board (x79) with the exact same style of heatsink and it actually required active cooling to help even a little. Put a 92mm fan angled towards it and the board stopped throttling the CPU. Then after about a year the board died. Have not bothered with China-boards since :)
Yes good point and one you kind of have to accept buying this stuff but for the price if it does you a year/two doesn’t seem too bad. It is currently still working as it should 😎
The X99 platform is only slightly more expensive, and has much better IPC. IMO X79 is too dated.
You also get AVX2 support and USB 3 on X99. More and more games are requiring AVX2, and without it those games won't even launch.
Yes agreed but it still put up a good fight tbh.
Why are you playing games on multicore?
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Moverboard
If it’s subtitles your referring too that’s UA-cam’s bad not mine 😂
v4 is better
V3/V4 have benefits yes like AVX2 and are a little cheaper now.
Ah you're one of those people that doesn't understand how testing works.
Nope just an idiot with a plan 😎