It's some hot garbage characters are now living from a wound Qui-Gon died from. Eliminates stakes from a lightsaber duel unless they go Highlander mode and behead their opponents.
@MT20233 Ben went down and looked like he had trouble breathing. Rey might have pierced a lung. I think Ben would've died or at least lost a lung because after Rey healed him, he was breathing normally.
@@elmermedina1713 oh the scene was trash, I was just saying at least he was powerful so maybe it makes a tiny bit more sense then the others that have survived..
@@MT20233 I'm merely pointing out that he didn't die instantly but was visibly affected. Reva got stabbed by Vader himself, who isn't known for giving out harmless flesh wounds like candy. How did Ben go down gasping for air while Reva went on a Luke killing spree after getting stabbed by the world's greatest killing machine?
I remember myself sitting totally excited and uncalm in my chair in the cinema, feeling Qui-Gons Death coming. This duel shooked me so much like almost nothing before but the duel between Obi-Wan and Vader on the deathstar where you could have felt Obi-Wans near death exactely the same like I mentioned before on Qui-Gons death. You can really say that the circle completed. Both is pure Star Wars!!!
Qui-Gon's age was "a" factor, but not *the* factor that's it's so often made out to be. Dooku was decades older, yet still defeated both Obi-Wan and Anakin, and fought grandmaster Yoda to a stalemate. Why? His choice of lightsaber forms (i.e. Form 2).
In LEGENDS, Dooku was proficient in trashtalking (i.e dunmock). He constantly taunted Anakin which unleashed his mindless anger (Ep III). Then Skywalker fully deployed his Form V Djem So which ultimately defeated Dooku. Form II lacks momentum in clutch moments as it emphasizes defense, precision and footwork. Form V agression and domination.
What's even more impressive was Maul was not even an actual Sith, merely an assasin and the true power of the dark side was kept hidden by Plageuis and Sidious. Shows how powerful that Dark Side can be. Your storytelling is excellent
@wyatt5167 nope he at that time only been trained as a sith assassin the name was to make him believe he was an apprentice in the sith there can be only two at that time being plag and palp Maul was always a useful idiot
Google "Was Darth maul a Sith lord" its literally the first thing that comes up. It's also stated in his wookiepedia article. He was apprenticed to a dark Lord and lost his position within the sith when Sidious took a new apprentice. If I recall, sidious lied to his master and told him that maul was just an assassin to keep his true intentions from him
indeed @@wyatt5167 he was a sith lord. palpatine just said that to plagueis to make him not know his true intention, also by that point Plagueis viewed Rule of two as obselete.
It's a complicated situation. Plagueis (the reigning Sith Master) did NOT consider Maul a true Sith Lord. He only wanted Sidious to train Maul as a Sith assassin. It was Sidious that granted Maul the title of "Darth" behind Plagueis' back! I have a video explaining the entire situation: ua-cam.com/video/5_yuaEvNFkI/v-deo.html
Qui-Gon aged so he could not use Ataru efficiently as Form IV was extremely tiring. It required wide space and acrobatic maneuvers. Its flaws were lack of defense and lack of effectiveness in tiny room. Maul and Kenobi would meet several times in S5 of The Clone Wars and in the series Rebels (CANON). Ep I novelization is considered LEGENDS since Disney purchased Lucasfilms.
In Legends they were near equals with a blade in most sources with Maul being slightly superior like Qui Gon being a high seven saber user and Maul being a low eight saber fighter with the force Maul was also only slightly above Jinn yeah and way above Jinn with physical abilities and unarmed combat yeah.
Can't believe that it's been 25 years., boy how times flies. I remember The Phantom Menace coming out in theaters after I graduated from 5th grade. I didn't like Jar Jar Binks, but I loved the Podracing and the Duel of the Fates scenes. In the Legends book Darth Plagues, Palpatine was afraid of Qui-Gon discovering his identity and ruining his plans to destroy the Jedi. So, Palpatine sent Darth Maul to Naboo not to just capture the Padme Amidala, but to kill Qui-Gon-Jinn and prevent them from. I think that the real reason that Qui-Gon continued to fight Darth Maul alone was, because he wanted to end the battle as quickly as possible. Qui-Gon knew that he would end up getting killed, when he saw the laser walls close between him and Darth Maull. I'm sure Qui-Gon felt bad about leaving Obi-Wan behind like that. However, he knew that his young apprentice would defeat the Sith apprentice, no matter the cost. Maybe at the beginning of the battle, Qui-Gon had already planned for Obi-Wan to train Anakin with knowing that he wasn't going to survive the fight. The music in the background was great, it reminds me of one the comic dubs of Age of Republic: Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan.
Darth Maul wasn't only in his prime but he was even younger than Obi-Wan. He was 2 to 4 years younger than Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan was 25 during the time in TPM and Maul was at least 21 to 23. That isn't prime. Obi-Wan just entered what is considered prime during the time biologically human wise.
Having a video focus on Qui-Gon Jin, made me think of something I don't think I have ever heard about in a video; could "the Chosen One" have brought balance to the Force, if Qui-Gon had survived? People love to talk about how Qui-Gon was the ideal individual to train Anakin; the one the Force might have picked, while Kenobi had any of a laundry list of reasons why he was actually a really bad choice, but something I like to feel many fans don't acknowledge is that, for the Force to be brought back into balance, BOTH sides needed to be cleared, or at least altered. A fully trained Jedi Anakin Skywalker shanking Chancellor Palpatine to death wasn't what the prophecy foretold, and the Jedi weren't it on their own. Sure, there might've been other ways to reshape them than Order 66, or the Youngling-Slayer 9000, or Darth Vader killing them all, but many of them were wrong, and weren't likely to just acknowledge that, and totally rebuild their base, in the Force, and galaxy; hypocrits specialize in not seeing their own shortcomings. I certainly think QG could have done an amazing job as Anakin's teacher, but if Anakin hadn't wielded both the Dark AND the Light, and been able to be near Sidious, could he have actually balanced it? Were he, and QG, somehow going to arrive at a new way that all the Jedi would magically accept, and adopt, especially without certain elements of the Clone Wars era to reveal to them their own mistakes? Kenobi messed up, and may not have been ideal, but he did put Skywalker on the path THE FORCE, which is no more "all Light forever" than it is accepting of the Dark, intended him to be on, and while QG would have made him strong, and kept him good, could "good" Anakin do what was needed to remedy the Jedi side of the scales, and bring BOTH into balance?
Before watchint video; It isnt that he coudlnt defeat maul, its that he had such a strong connection to the force that during his time meditating before final conflict with maul, i do beleive that qui gon saw and percieved hus whole death. It was destiny. And ao this is why his heart wast in it for final bout. He hesitated and then thats when maul gets infuriated and proceeds to go stabby stabby. But qui gon knew it was coning. That it was preventable. In that moment he was in a force conjunction and everything was connected in that moment. Truly a moment for causality.
Legends does it better imo maul is actually in shock and awe when qui gon has him on the defensive after knocking him down he can’t push back against him until he tires and the laser gates separated them
Gon should have known to stay close with Kenobi to have a chance to kill Maul. Kenobi was to stupid letting Maul kick him in the face. He deserved to get all his front teeth broken for such blatant weakness. Alas Maul did the correct, splitting the Jedis. Well Gon should have had a defensive stance, waiting to Kenobi. He attacked and got killed, latter. I simply dont understand.
@JayJay-kq8ol in swordplay there are levels. Shoulders/head, torso, legs. If you attack in levels you can aim in the same level. Let's says both attacked head at the same time Maul is dead. Sure one jedi may die or may not but Maul is dead. Now move your body on the same levels it makes it incredibly difficult to counter. Qui gon goes head attack, Obi-Wan lowers his entire body into a crouch to swipe ankles.....Maul gets chopped. Duel over.
@@jamesSmith-fl5wv I mean. It was in their best interest to not die in the duel. It would've been a risky move, and probably one of them would have died. Qui gon certainly didn't want to let obi wan die or die himself since anakin had to be trained by someone.
Force Speed requires a lot of energy and stamina. If he used it to reach Qui-Gon and Maul in the middle of a lightsaber duel, he would’ve been exhausted and probably died
Qui Gon fought a maul that was focused and more powerful Maul going for the kill. Surprise Filoni and Sam Witwer said maul wasn't even at his best he was actually at his worst while ahsoka was at her best and he was trying to get her to join him when that didn't work he opted to leave she was disarmed 3 times in that fight. Don't get it twisted because you overlooked the context of the fights.
@@baki484 The only real reason Qui Gon lost is for the story so that Obi Wan would train Anakin. Maul should have beaten him and killed him before they could leave with Anakin then. It was a completely 1v1 fight which means Maul would have been less fatigued from fighting two of them for a while. He was at his best and in a fresh 1v1 with Qui Gon. You can't base ability of of one fight. I fought in taekwondo competitions for years. I beat and was beaten by the same people.
It's some hot garbage characters are now living from a wound Qui-Gon died from. Eliminates stakes from a lightsaber duel unless they go Highlander mode and behead their opponents.
I agree with both of you
At least Ben Solo was powerful. Reva survived after Vadar gave her the
Qui- gon death blow .. Disney is trash..
@MT20233 Ben went down and looked like he had trouble breathing. Rey might have pierced a lung. I think Ben would've died or at least lost a lung because after Rey healed him, he was breathing normally.
@@elmermedina1713 oh the scene was trash, I was just saying at least he was powerful so maybe it makes a tiny bit more sense then the others that have survived..
@@MT20233 I'm merely pointing out that he didn't die instantly but was visibly affected. Reva got stabbed by Vader himself, who isn't known for giving out harmless flesh wounds like candy. How did Ben go down gasping for air while Reva went on a Luke killing spree after getting stabbed by the world's greatest killing machine?
I remember myself sitting totally excited and uncalm in my chair in the cinema, feeling Qui-Gons Death coming. This duel shooked me so much like almost nothing before but the duel between Obi-Wan and Vader on the deathstar where you could have felt Obi-Wans near death exactely the same like I mentioned before on Qui-Gons death. You can really say that the circle completed. Both is pure Star Wars!!!
His confirmed last thoughts before getting stabbed: "im gettin to old for this shit"
Qui-Gon's age was "a" factor, but not *the* factor that's it's so often made out to be. Dooku was decades older, yet still defeated both Obi-Wan and Anakin, and fought grandmaster Yoda to a stalemate. Why? His choice of lightsaber forms (i.e. Form 2).
Yeah, I thought about that too. Dooku was like 100 years old and was a force of nature.
In LEGENDS, Dooku was proficient in trashtalking (i.e dunmock). He constantly taunted Anakin which unleashed his mindless anger (Ep III). Then Skywalker fully deployed his Form V Djem So which ultimately defeated Dooku. Form II lacks momentum in clutch moments as it emphasizes defense, precision and footwork. Form V agression and domination.
i agree it makes it less exciting when they just bring back characters from the dead. then death means nothing.
Dooku’s form required minimal movement, qui gon’s form was all about movement, athletics, and acrobatics.
@@andystarkiller7492 It was not Anakins form that defeated him it was his sheer power and focused rage.
What's even more impressive was Maul was not even an actual Sith, merely an assasin and the true power of the dark side was kept hidden by Plageuis and Sidious.
Shows how powerful that Dark Side can be.
Your storytelling is excellent
Maul was a Sith it's literally in the title Darth Maul.
@wyatt5167 nope he at that time only been trained as a sith assassin the name was to make him believe he was an apprentice in the sith there can be only two at that time being plag and palp Maul was always a useful idiot
Google "Was Darth maul a Sith lord" its literally the first thing that comes up. It's also stated in his wookiepedia article.
He was apprenticed to a dark Lord and lost his position within the sith when Sidious took a new apprentice. If I recall, sidious lied to his master and told him that maul was just an assassin to keep his true intentions from him
indeed @@wyatt5167 he was a sith lord. palpatine just said that to plagueis to make him not know his true intention, also by that point Plagueis viewed Rule of two as obselete.
It's a complicated situation. Plagueis (the reigning Sith Master) did NOT consider Maul a true Sith Lord. He only wanted Sidious to train Maul as a Sith assassin. It was Sidious that granted Maul the title of "Darth" behind Plagueis' back! I have a video explaining the entire situation: ua-cam.com/video/5_yuaEvNFkI/v-deo.html
If only Qui-Gon had retreated to join Obi-Wan instead of advancing forward....
Qui-Gon aged so he could not use Ataru efficiently as Form IV was extremely tiring. It required wide space and acrobatic maneuvers. Its flaws were lack of defense and lack of effectiveness in tiny room.
Maul and Kenobi would meet several times in S5 of The Clone Wars and in the series Rebels (CANON).
Ep I novelization is considered LEGENDS since Disney purchased Lucasfilms.
In Legends they were near equals with a blade in most sources with Maul being slightly superior like Qui Gon being a high seven saber user and Maul being a low eight saber fighter with the force Maul was also only slightly above Jinn yeah and way above Jinn with physical abilities and unarmed combat yeah.
Can't believe that it's been 25 years., boy how times flies. I remember The Phantom Menace coming out in theaters after I graduated from 5th grade. I didn't like Jar Jar Binks, but I loved the Podracing and the Duel of the Fates scenes. In the Legends book Darth Plagues, Palpatine was afraid of Qui-Gon discovering his identity and ruining his plans to destroy the Jedi. So, Palpatine sent Darth Maul to Naboo not to just capture the Padme Amidala, but to kill Qui-Gon-Jinn and prevent them from. I think that the real reason that Qui-Gon continued to fight Darth Maul alone was, because he wanted to end the battle as quickly as possible. Qui-Gon knew that he would end up getting killed, when he saw the laser walls close between him and Darth Maull. I'm sure Qui-Gon felt bad about leaving Obi-Wan behind like that. However, he knew that his young apprentice would defeat the Sith apprentice, no matter the cost. Maybe at the beginning of the battle, Qui-Gon had already planned for Obi-Wan to train Anakin with knowing that he wasn't going to survive the fight. The music in the background was great, it reminds me of one the comic dubs of Age of Republic: Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan.
Darth Maul wasn't only in his prime but he was even younger than Obi-Wan. He was 2 to 4 years younger than Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan was 25 during the time in TPM and Maul was at least 21 to 23. That isn't prime. Obi-Wan just entered what is considered prime during the time biologically human wise.
Having a video focus on Qui-Gon Jin, made me think of something I don't think I have ever heard about in a video; could "the Chosen One" have brought balance to the Force, if Qui-Gon had survived? People love to talk about how Qui-Gon was the ideal individual to train Anakin; the one the Force might have picked, while Kenobi had any of a laundry list of reasons why he was actually a really bad choice, but something I like to feel many fans don't acknowledge is that, for the Force to be brought back into balance, BOTH sides needed to be cleared, or at least altered. A fully trained Jedi Anakin Skywalker shanking Chancellor Palpatine to death wasn't what the prophecy foretold, and the Jedi weren't it on their own. Sure, there might've been other ways to reshape them than Order 66, or the Youngling-Slayer 9000, or Darth Vader killing them all, but many of them were wrong, and weren't likely to just acknowledge that, and totally rebuild their base, in the Force, and galaxy; hypocrits specialize in not seeing their own shortcomings. I certainly think QG could have done an amazing job as Anakin's teacher, but if Anakin hadn't wielded both the Dark AND the Light, and been able to be near Sidious, could he have actually balanced it? Were he, and QG, somehow going to arrive at a new way that all the Jedi would magically accept, and adopt, especially without certain elements of the Clone Wars era to reveal to them their own mistakes? Kenobi messed up, and may not have been ideal, but he did put Skywalker on the path THE FORCE, which is no more "all Light forever" than it is accepting of the Dark, intended him to be on, and while QG would have made him strong, and kept him good, could "good" Anakin do what was needed to remedy the Jedi side of the scales, and bring BOTH into balance?
Qui-Gon's worst mistake was to be part of George Lucas' mind. If he was part of the Disney Star Wars, this little wound would've done nothing.
Before watchint video;
It isnt that he coudlnt defeat maul, its that he had such a strong connection to the force that during his time meditating before final conflict with maul, i do beleive that qui gon saw and percieved hus whole death. It was destiny. And ao this is why his heart wast in it for final bout. He hesitated and then thats when maul gets infuriated and proceeds to go stabby stabby. But qui gon knew it was coning. That it was preventable.
In that moment he was in a force conjunction and everything was connected in that moment.
Truly a moment for causality.
Well Darth Maul by a professional martial artist, Ray Park! So there is that!!! ;)
great video!
I truly believe it was Qui-Gon jinns old age that caught up to him that and of course is lightsaber form he was also like 64 years old as well
If only Disney had made The Phantom Menace. Qui-Gon would’ve survived, since they made lightsaber’s essentially harmless
I really love this part of the movie
I truly believe that Qui-Gon Jinn would have been the perfect Jedi Master for Anakin but like he said it's the will of the force
Can we learn more about the battles quin jon fought? Cause has far as I know Maul was the first Sith he faced
Qui Gon was getting to old for them athletic Ataru movements that’s all 😆👏🏾🔥.
Point Anakin Vader had malls confidence
Legends does it better imo maul is actually in shock and awe when qui gon has him on the defensive after knocking him down he can’t push back against him until he tires and the laser gates separated them
“Messianic hatred?” Wtf does that even mean?
Passionate
Gon should have known to stay close with Kenobi to have a chance to kill Maul. Kenobi was to stupid letting Maul kick him in the face. He deserved to get all his front teeth broken for such blatant weakness. Alas Maul did the correct, splitting the Jedis. Well Gon should have had a defensive stance, waiting to Kenobi. He attacked and got killed, latter. I simply dont understand.
Death maul beat Qui gon 1v1 but in a 2v1 they stood chance.
Bah, that were mostly speculations plus plot armor ... DM wouldnt have stood a chance if Qui-Gon would have gone into "RobRoy-Mode" ... :-D
I always love how jedi and sith duels never change levels. Its always standing all the way up. The two couldve easily won had they done so.
I don't understand, I'm so sorry
@JayJay-kq8ol in swordplay there are levels. Shoulders/head, torso, legs. If you attack in levels you can aim in the same level. Let's says both attacked head at the same time Maul is dead. Sure one jedi may die or may not but Maul is dead. Now move your body on the same levels it makes it incredibly difficult to counter.
Qui gon goes head attack, Obi-Wan lowers his entire body into a crouch to swipe ankles.....Maul gets chopped. Duel over.
@@jamesSmith-fl5wv interesting
Thanks for explaining
John 3:16
Hope you find Him, He's there
@@jamesSmith-fl5wv I mean. It was in their best interest to not die in the duel. It would've been a risky move, and probably one of them would have died. Qui gon certainly didn't want to let obi wan die or die himself since anakin had to be trained by someone.
@@JayJay-kq8ol I'm on board with the Lord my brother
Why Obivan didn't use force speed
Force Speed requires a lot of energy and stamina. If he used it to reach Qui-Gon and Maul in the middle of a lightsaber duel, he would’ve been exhausted and probably died
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There can be only 1
Qui gon weak AF
Qui Gon Jinn the Useless
How so? He’s arguably the wisest Jedi by far. And I’m canon he’s a top tier Jedi too
So.... according to u palpatin should never beat Yoda cos his old age....and Yoda....well he should stayed home cos his extra old age 😮😅😂
Wrong. Anakin would have turned under QuiGon as well.
To me, Disney can't harm the franchise because it ended with Return of the Jedi. There's only 6 movies, Disney, 6.
Ahsoka beat him
Qui Gon fought a maul that was focused and more powerful Maul going for the kill.
Surprise Filoni and Sam Witwer said maul wasn't even at his best he was actually at his worst while ahsoka was at her best and he was trying to get her to join him when that didn't work he opted to leave she was disarmed 3 times in that fight.
Don't get it twisted because you overlooked the context of the fights.
No she didn’t
@@grantfuller6123 in Clone Wars Season 7 Episode 10, yes she did. She could have killed him but stopped his fall.
@@baki484 The only real reason Qui Gon lost is for the story so that Obi Wan would train Anakin. Maul should have beaten him and killed him before they could leave with Anakin then. It was a completely 1v1 fight which means Maul would have been less fatigued from fighting two of them for a while. He was at his best and in a fresh 1v1 with Qui Gon.
You can't base ability of of one fight. I fought in taekwondo competitions for years. I beat and was beaten by the same people.
This will forever be one of my favorite duel’s of all time.