You should have used the "That's the Neat Part, You Don't " meme. How do I respond to a 2nd line attack on the opening? That's the Neat Part, You Don't.
The thing with these seemingly small moves is that sometimes I cannot say if playing tenuki to this very obviously small move won't make me strategic troubles later because of my lack of skill to play out this unusual situation where I commonly defend and have absolutely no trouble. They take a small point, I tenuki and later it appears that this useless move granted my opponent an opportunity to attack me and maybe kill the whole group even though I might have taken more points elsewhere. Good example is 1:10 where white can play jump to the upper side (or monkey jump) and destroy me a base. From my pov this would be quite a disaster because I don't know yet how to settle in the center or how to connect to my other groups.
@@GoMagic Well, I think what's crucial to understand here is that 1-2 line moves reduce points and destroy base *very* quickly and ultimately it comes down to good reading and experience to tenuki them without hesitation and significant consequences.
In the opening if someone insists on playing those 1-2 line moves, you can ignore them all the way. Of course if you feel like they are starting to encroach on the area you really want, you can respond at some point.
Even when the opponent is on the 1st line if i ignore it, he may jump into my territory. To my nooby eyes this risk looks high. But I think your message is that this risk still worth being taken if we re early in the game and there are plenty open space? Isn t it?
@@brad5907That's correct. In early game, it's far better to approach an unprotected corner or take an enclosure rather than respond to a second or first line move. You only want to respond when that move is threatening to separate, surround, or kill your groups.
As a physicist I usually roll my eyes when somebody makes a comparison to quantum mechanics, but I just noticed that if we consider undetermined territory to be analogous to superposition, then miai is equivalent to entanglement. While that's neat I still don't think these analogies are very meaningful and it comes off as just buzzwords.
Caught red-handed by a physicist...ouch! =) Seriously though, this was just a momentary inspiration as I was reading about physics at the time and this analogy seemed to make a lot of sense. It wasn't meant to be just a flashy phrase but... Thanks for correcting me though!
Does that mean we should not defend against an opponent who plays on 2nd and 1st line ? By the what, I love your video, the short format. Your english is very easy to understand
ive just started learning to play go last week. As a beginner, I feel like we easily get pulled into the trap of going to battle right away when we move from 9x9 and 13x13 boards. 9x9 is like boxing in a the shower... theres little room to explore the board and it forces you to battle, which can be good for learning to battle. But I wonder if people can spend too much time on practice boards before moving to 19x19 and their skills in seeing the bigger picture havent had a chance to develop... especially if they arent being taught those big picture concepts like moyo. Luckily for me ive binge watched quite a lot of Go Magics videos so ive been made to understand theres a bigger picture out there... but if I hadnt I could see myself getting into needless fights like this too. Ive also seen quite a lot of seemingly bad Go tutorials on youtube by people that may be good go players but arent good at teaching Go... quite a lot of amateurs showing the basics in a way that seems to misrepresent what an actual game of Go looks like. Ive seen people teaching Go by basically showing a long fight in the corner of a 19x19. I imagine many people learn Go in unhelpful ways and get bad habits.
Fights are actually great fun and very nice practice. Unless you have a teacher who will personally play with you and guarantee you a fight-free Go experience at first (could be nice too)
These videos are so good. Love to see some high quality stuff coming out for the English go world!
Thank you!
Great content man! You deserve way more views and I'm sure you will get that soon with your consistency!
Hey thanks! You can help Go Magic to grow if you share the vids you like to your Go friends :)
I love how you always find an analogy for everything, makes it really intresting
That's the idea 😍
You should have used the "That's the Neat Part, You Don't " meme.
How do I respond to a 2nd line attack on the opening?
That's the Neat Part, You Don't.
If we had known it back then, we would have! 😄
The thing with these seemingly small moves is that sometimes I cannot say if playing tenuki to this very obviously small move won't make me strategic troubles later because of my lack of skill to play out this unusual situation where I commonly defend and have absolutely no trouble.
They take a small point, I tenuki and later it appears that this useless move granted my opponent an opportunity to attack me and maybe kill the whole group even though I might have taken more points elsewhere.
Good example is 1:10 where white can play jump to the upper side (or monkey jump) and destroy me a base. From my pov this would be quite a disaster because I don't know yet how to settle in the center or how to connect to my other groups.
Yes, sometimes you can play tenuki and sometimes you can't. Understanding comes with experience. And as you watch our courses too, of course =)
@@GoMagic Well, I think what's crucial to understand here is that 1-2 line moves reduce points and destroy base *very* quickly and ultimately it comes down to good reading and experience to tenuki them without hesitation and significant consequences.
These are really great videos!
Thank you!
So if you are playing against someone who insists on pushing at these spots, at what point do you shut them down?
In the opening if someone insists on playing those 1-2 line moves, you can ignore them all the way. Of course if you feel like they are starting to encroach on the area you really want, you can respond at some point.
Even when the opponent is on the 1st line if i ignore it, he may jump into my territory. To my nooby eyes this risk looks high. But I think your message is that this risk still worth being taken if we re early in the game and there are plenty open space? Isn t it?
@@brad5907That's correct. In early game, it's far better to approach an unprotected corner or take an enclosure rather than respond to a second or first line move. You only want to respond when that move is threatening to separate, surround, or kill your groups.
As a physicist I usually roll my eyes when somebody makes a comparison to quantum mechanics, but I just noticed that if we consider undetermined territory to be analogous to superposition, then miai is equivalent to entanglement. While that's neat I still don't think these analogies are very meaningful and it comes off as just buzzwords.
Caught red-handed by a physicist...ouch! =)
Seriously though, this was just a momentary inspiration as I was reading about physics at the time and this analogy seemed to make a lot of sense. It wasn't meant to be just a flashy phrase but...
Thanks for correcting me though!
Does that mean we should not defend against an opponent who plays on 2nd and 1st line ? By the what, I love your video, the short format. Your english is very easy to understand
Yes, that's exactly what it means. If your opponent plays on the first line in the opening, you can igmore it and play elsewhere.
Good video ^^
Thank you, we are glad you liked it!
Great content and indeed great lessons!
Thank you kindly!
is it the same on 9x9 too? or is it so small it needs a response?
Tough question. 9x9 operates on a different level entirely. A game begins almost with endgame in mind, because everything happens so fast.
Vadim Efimenko? Are you Ukrainian from Canada? :P
Nope.
ive just started learning to play go last week. As a beginner, I feel like we easily get pulled into the trap of going to battle right away when we move from 9x9 and 13x13 boards. 9x9 is like boxing in a the shower... theres little room to explore the board and it forces you to battle, which can be good for learning to battle. But I wonder if people can spend too much time on practice boards before moving to 19x19 and their skills in seeing the bigger picture havent had a chance to develop... especially if they arent being taught those big picture concepts like moyo.
Luckily for me ive binge watched quite a lot of Go Magics videos so ive been made to understand theres a bigger picture out there... but if I hadnt I could see myself getting into needless fights like this too.
Ive also seen quite a lot of seemingly bad Go tutorials on youtube by people that may be good go players but arent good at teaching Go... quite a lot of amateurs showing the basics in a way that seems to misrepresent what an actual game of Go looks like. Ive seen people teaching Go by basically showing a long fight in the corner of a 19x19. I imagine many people learn Go in unhelpful ways and get bad habits.
Fights are actually great fun and very nice practice. Unless you have a teacher who will personally play with you and guarantee you a fight-free Go experience at first (could be nice too)