I don't know what I enjoyed more: you and Martin ranting about these ridiculed songs or you guys imitating and doing the sound effects for these songs!
@@mikephillips8810 Though I totally overdosed on Led Zeppelin in the 70s, Robert Plant's solo albums are still in frequent rotation. What killed Zep for me began with a horrible live performance.
Pete...the hardest working man on UA-cam. Very entertaining stuff again...many thanks to you both. My entry would be those bloody awful Aerosmith ballad singles (aside from Dream On) Like Amazing and Cryin', I Don't Want To Miss A Thing etc. For those of us steeped in the 70s Aerosmith they were cringeworthy. Re Rush 'Tai Shan' is Lifeson's most hated Rush track. I think Lee has a similar opinion.
I have always loved the Loneliness of the Long distance runner. and it exemplifies one of the many reasons Iron Maiden is my favorite band of all time, They just do whatever the hell they want, simply for the love of what they do, and of the music. I give them all the credit in the world for following up Powerslave with this album. And I don't remember it being ridiculed that much back in the day.
The only people who had ridiculed "Lonliness", "Quest For Fire", "Heaven Can Wait" or "Alexander The Great" are Martin and his supposed "friends". Never met a single other Maiden fan in 40 years who thinks that.
I wasn't big enough at the time of actual release. But Quest for Fire has been rediculed at IM forums I can recall. It was even the first song that came to mind when I saw the title of this vid.
I am a long-time huge Van Halen fan (especially the DLR era), but I think many of us diehard fans don't share the love that the general public has for "Jump."
I must admit yours and Martin’s expertise and vast knowledge, you often talk about albums, songs, and bands I’ve never heard of! That’s cool, it gives me a chance to listen and discover new things! Anyway, there is usually always something in your videos that I DO know, and can relate to!
All Of My Love is awesome, with an amazing structure (love the bluesy vibe in the bridge). Credit is where credit’s due; Jimmy Page and Bonzo weren’t into this kinda stuff at the time, but truth be told they were too strung out at the time to take the lead. ITTOD is Plant’s and Jonesy’s album.
I don't want an album where every song sounds too similar to the other ones. Kudos to bands/ artists for attempting variety. That said, I think All My Love and D'yer Mak'er are great songs, no matter who created them... and I respect Zeppelin more for trying, and largely succeeding, to make music out of their comfort zone...
I agree. The style or genre of the song really isn't the important thing. Is it good or not? So I like the odd songs you get on a Zep album. George Harrison. Van Halen. Artists making songs for themselves, not for the sheeples.
If Robert couldn't of done "All of my Love" on ITTOD, I don't think we would of got that record at all. That was the love song he wrote for his son that he lost tragically and suddenly while they were on the last tour. While it wasn't your typical LZ it was something he needed to do and once you know that the song makes more sense and has more purpose.
"Evening Star" was a masterpiece compared to "Parental Guidance," which saw the band catering to their 13 year old audience for some reason. Hard to believe the same band that penned "Victim of Changes" and "Realms of Death" could put out such awful tripe as that song.
Martin you picked my beloved BOC! However I completely agree with you. Remember buying Agents when it was released, still haven't made it completely through Debbie Denise!
When I was watching the Whitesnake bit it made me think, you could do a video looking at albums where the 'wrong' song/s were released as singles! Great video gentlemen!!
Kiss 1. Great Expectations 2. Then She Kissed Me 3. I Was Made for Lovin’ You 4. Read My Body (or most anything on HITS) 5. Bang Bang You (or most anything on Crazy Nights)
Would love to see a " In the Prog Seat " show on this topic " Time Stand Still" actually made me a Rush fan...a ballad, but INTELLIGENTLY done...too many bands would have overproduced it, or went too soft...Rush did it perfectly...
I don't see how "Time Stand Still" could have been any softer or more overproduced. I know the idea of Rush gunning for a top 40 hit is something that would make most Rush fans have an embolism but I think this is essentially what Rush was doing in the mid to late 80s. You don't go in hot pursuit of the producers of Frankie Goes To Hollywood and Tina Turner and others (which they did) unless you're gunning for hits. Pop music just wasn't Rush's forte and it's a shame they wasted so much time trying to to do it.
@@b.g.5869 how so? Softer would have meant putting in a string section or even more synths, no guitar, barely any drumming...overproduction would have stuck a meaningless ,wailing guitar solo in the middle...no, not too soft or overproduced...a ballad done with taste and intelligence...taste and intelligence was the best asset Rush had, exhibited here
@@michaelbaucom4019 It's got a chorus sung by Aimee Mann. It's so soft it literally caused Alex, Geddy, and Neil to float. In my opinion it makes Air Supply sound like Slayer.
I would have thought Martin would know that "The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner" is a movie from the 1960s, going along with Iron Maiden's tendency to write songs about movies they'd seen & explore the themes therein.
Metallica - The Unforgiven, Nothing Else Matters, King Nothing, St. Anger. Def Leppard - Pour Some Sugar on Me, Let's Get Rocked, When Love and Hate Collide, Kiss - I Was Made For Loving You, Easy As it Seems, Shandi, A World Without Heroes ( I like all of those songs but this was a much ridiculed era of the band, from '80-'82. Van Halen - Can't Stop Loving You, Right Now, Don't Tell Me What Love Can Do Aerosmith - Crazy, Hole In My Soul, Jaded etc. Great show guys!
It certainly is!! Just not “standard” Zep material! I love it! Zep often did this in concert, (live whole lotta love went into an Elvis Presley jam at one point)!
I was playing bass for a country rock band in the early 90's and we had Hot Dog in our catalog and would whip it out if we had the right crowd....Was a fun song even if I always felt Zeppelin was busting on Country music...it was ok with me as I was a metal head. I knew that it was a lousy country song and could tell that it was what a rock band would think was country....
You know what’s funny, all those Maiden songs that Martin mentioned, i love them all lol. Over the years Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner is actually one of my favorite song’s off Somewhere in Time.
I agree! I dislike that and Holy Smoke- Maiden go Spinal Tap. Those two songs would be perfectly followed up by Maiden covering Big Bottom and then Break of the Wind.
With the exception of Roll The Bones, the songs you mention are among my favorites. HYF and GUP are are my favorites. Have people forgotten Rush's earliest works were considered to be ~progressive~ rock? Your channel is awesome, made even better with a pause button and a streaming service. You've caused me to discover a lot of what I missed in the 70s and 80s. TYVM.
I was on a Rush message board for years. "I think I'm going bald" wasn't ridiculed so much as it was simply ignored. The song I saw outright slagged, slammed, and ridiculed the most was "Superconductor". Which I happen to like, of course :) Thank you for trashng Is This Love and The Deeper The Love from Whitesnake. Barf city.
"The loneliness of the long distance runner" is a great and important short-story about class struggles in England written by Alan Sillitoe, one of the famous "angry young men" of the 1950s literature ...
1. Dude Looks Like a Lady- Aerosmith 2. Pour Some Sugar on Me- Def Leppard 3. Call of the Wild- Deep Purple (Music video sucks and cringeworthy, but the song is good) 4. Hot Rockin'- Judas Priest 5. Waiting For a Girl Like You- Foreigner 6. Crazy Crazy Night- Kiss 7. Hot Dog- Led Zeppelin 8. The Joker- Steve Miller Band 9. We Built This City- Starship 10. Secret Love- Bee Gees 11. No Stranger to Love- Black Sabbath 12. Illegal Alien- Genesis 13. Body Language- Queen 14. Straight From the Heart- The Allman Brothers Band or basically the whole 'Brothers on the Road' (1981) album and 'Reach For the Sky' (1980) 15. Kilroy Was Here Album- Styx
The loneliness of the long distance runner is a cinematic and literary reference. The short story and film deal with the British class system, not athletics per se.
Vital signs is kinda strange but I love it. Great lyrics from Neil, and I think that was because they were listening to a lot of the Police at the time.
Great show as always. I love Pete's face when Martin is mentioning those Maiden songs, plus the fact that he doesn't really comment afterwards! Come on Martin, sure a couple of those are stinkers but some of those are classics - Heaven can Wait and Loneliness - really?
You have to appreciate Martin not kissing ass. And I think Maiden is way too often put on a pedestal they don't deserve which feeds Steve's ego (I have no issue with the other band members, while Steve often strikes as me as taking this whole rock and roll business a bit too seriously).
They’ve made 17 studio albums and people come up with a handful of songs that could be described as a bit ridiculous. You can do it with any band if you try hard enough. Its just a bit of fun.
Popoff and Pardo are at it again with a great topic and already looking forward to Part 2 of this topic. May not agree with all the choices but always such a pleasure to hear Martin and Pete discuss their music knowledge and share some thoughts with us. Thanks, gents, for another great time.
It often fascinates me how we hear the same things so differently as people. The night back in ‘79 that I first got into Deep Purple, it was with the albums “Shades of Deep Purple” and “Fireball.” And I dug every song on both albums, and I still do. In fact, they get better and better for me as the years roll on. Therefore, “Anyone’s daughter” was, for me, a winner from the moment I first heard it. In fact, if I cast my memory back to the night I first heard the album, even though I was looking to hear the heavy side of Purple, it’s that song that I remember first and foremost. “Fireball” is a classic album for me and the song was always a great preparation for what was about to follow on what was the old side 2, because it closed side one. It was also a good education for me because right from the start of my heavy life/appreciation of heavy, I learned that heavy bands actually had more strings to their bows than just heavy ones; it took me a while to learn that, though. I also learned that the early heavy rock bands were primarily song~orientated; they knew how to employ riffs, solos, screams and the rest, but primarily, they wrote songs. After the 80s, that was less the case in my opinion. Also, in that song, the way Blackmore, Lord, Glover and Paice create and sustain a mood, is masterful. The solos are as good as anything Blackmore and Lord ever did. And my Dad still didn’t like them or their music !
My list would be 1. You Make Me Feel Right At Home-Ted Nugent 2. Dyer Maker-Led Zeppelin 3. Roll The Bones-Rush 4. So Tired-Ozzy Osbourne 5. Let Go-Blue Oyster Cult For albums 1. In Thru The Outdoor-Led Zeppelin 2. Turbo-Judas Priest 3. Diver Down-Van Halen 4. Virtual X-Iron Maiden 5. Mirrors-Blue Oyster Cult
Loneliness Of The Long Distance Runner is based on the novel by Alan Sillitoe. It's not about long distance running (neither is Marathon by Rush), but about alienation and rebellion.
Yes, many people didn’t realize who Plant was singing about. His heart was truly broken at this time in history! Soon after Bonham died, and that was the death blow for the band. Very sad, actually! Just glad they did get back together years later for several really good projects! But it was never true Zeppelin without Bonzo!!
It's definitely a ballad. The fact that it's about his son that passed away doesn't mean it's not a ballad (ballad's don't have to be about romantic love etc). The problem with that album is that it was really just John Paul Jones and a very depressed Robert Plant in the studio, as Page and Bonham were MIA. Plant was sick of Zeppelin by that point and it really shows.
@@b.g.5869 Page was a junky, he was strung out, a ballad is actually just a poem or song that narrates a story in short phrases, so technically most songs are ballads because they are short form, what I meant was it’s not a ballad in the way in which Pete and Martin consider a ballad to be. “All Of My Love” is almost 6 minutes long, so it still falls within the range of a longer song and not a typical radio length song. I think John Paul Jones massive contribution to this album shows what a great musician he is.
@@mannyruiz1954 I love Presence too, except for "Tea For One." Not sure what it is, but to my ears it doesn't stand up to "Since I've Been Loving You," which is very similar.
@@stuarthecht8196 Interesting… I personally love Tea For One. Candy Store Rock is quite weak in my opinion, along with Hots On For Nowhere and Royal Orleans, to an extent.
@@aviationlba747 so funny- you named three songs off of Presence that I love! I guess when it comes to Zep, it's to each his own. At least we probably agree on how amazing this band is. Cheers!
I like the Crunge on its own. It doesn’t work as part of the album for me. It does groove and hey, it’s a Led Zeppelin song which is going in a different direction for them. I wish it were on a more eclectic album, eg The White Album.
I agree, love The Crunge. Not my favourite on Houses, but a fun song. That is my favourite Zeppelin album, second favourite record of all time, so really no bad songs on it, IMO.
Queen - Body Language (or the majority of Hot Space.) Judas Priest - Johnny B. Goode cover (maybe even much of the Ram it Down album.) Those are generally ridiculed, but not necessarily by me (I'm not quite big on the Priest cover, though.) Personally never had a problem with the ridiculed Zeppelin tunes (The Crunge is interesting with the rhythm in 9, and All My Love was written for Plant's deceased son, if I'm not mistaken.)
@@jimmycampbell78 You know, that's actually my fav song from the ITtOD album. Loved it the very first time I heard it; Didn't hear about the inspiration behind it (and the overall story about the ITtOD project) until years later.
This was such a great topic and thanks for the amazing discussion. I am guilty of enjoying most of those songs, but that doesn’t bother me a bit. Keep up the great work
Nice topic! Doesn't happen that often I have to fundamentally disagree, but maaan... must be the first time I've EVER heard someone complain about something from Maiden's "Somewhere In Time", one of THE most untouchable masterpieces in music history. And well, Ghost's cover of the Beatles' "Here Comes The Sun" is pure awesomeness! :) Some tunes off top of my head: KISS - Let's Put The X In Sex Judas Priest - Turbo Lover Iron Maiden - Bring Your Daughter... To The Slaughter Queen - The Invisible Man Lou Reed & Metallica - Lulu (Whole Album) Manowar - Herz Aus Stahl (German Version of "Heart Of Steel") Scorpions - Wind Of Change
Heaven Can Wait is a great song with a blatantly bad note on every chorus. Bruce is singing an F# over a Bb chord (which has an F natural) and it's flat out sour. And he does it every time. I can't believe no one along the way caught that.
Tattoo - VH You’re the Inspiration - Chicago I Would Do Anything for Love - Meatloaf We Didn’t Start the Fire - Billy Joel Lick it Up - Kiss Dancing in the Street - Bowie and Jagger Anything by Nickelback
This was such a great topic and thanks for the amazing discussion. I am guilty of enjoying most of those songs, but that doesn’t bother me a bit.I know most everyone hates Nostradamus, but It works for me. Keep up the great work guys!
Priest: Parental Guidance and Private Property are HEINOUS. So, after Turbo came Ram it Down, and they horrible Johnny B Goode cover made me ignore Priest until I heard Painkiller while getting a tattoo. I was shocked, and then I went back and realized Ram it Down was not represented by JBG.
I agree with Pete on "Shut Up And Kiss Me". I was thinking the same thing. I mean, come on, David Coverdale being almost 70 and writing "Shut Up And Kiss Me" is just ridiculous. Doesn't he have something else to say at that age?
Great show Pete and Martin !!!. Didn’t know picking bad songs could be so interesting. I would like to add a couple to Led Zeppelin… Boogie With Stu (always skip) & Black Country Woman (which ends with bad harmonica ) I Do like D’yer Ma’ker because of the bridge. Anyone’s Daughter I’m not crazy about. But if you cut the vocals, some nice Blackmore riffs Martin you mentioned Hush….the lyrics are kinda silly…but to me this is the first example of the greatness to come with Lord & Blackmore dueling away. Fun topic !!! Thanks Guys !!!
@@robbieclark7828 Boogie With Stu is ok as a piano boogie…,but where is Jimmy Page? I do like Night Flight ; but I would say it is pretty light weight for Led Zeppelin
Revolution By Night is the BOC album that has grown better over time for me. Yea, still a couple cheesers that don't make the grade. I guess maybe I should try Club Ninja again.
I dug “Shades of Deep Purple” the first time I heard it. In fact, it was the first Purple album I heard and they got me right from the off. For me, there isn’t a poor moment on the album. I love it because it is heavy, it is poppy, it has classical pretensions, it tries to be soulful, it’s experimental, it’s improvisatory and it breathes a different kind of life into some already established songs as well as having lots of originality. I’m not so sure again, that “Hush” is a ridiculed song. If anything, it’s been endlessly critiqued as evidence of where they started off in comparison to where they made their name. But if you listen to it at volume, it’s a fairly heavy song for a band that didn’t know what it wanted to be in 1968. Personally, I love it. It’s one of those songs that evokes everything about where I was when I first got into it. I’ve been a Beatle fan for the last 45 years and in all that time, I have only ever heard two stabs at their songs {any of them} that remotely impress me. One is “Proposition” by early heavy rockers Josefus, in which they have a middle section that is the riff from “I want you ~ she’s so heavy.” It’s less than a minute long and it sounds great. It doesn’t deviate from the Abbey Road version at all. So it only partially counts. The only song I can say that I like as much as a Beatle original, in fact, like at all, is….wait for it……..”Help !” by Deep Purple. For me, this has been a great version for over 40 years. It’s very different to the Beatles’ one, I’m glad to say, with that lovely honey dripping organ and a lovely Blackmore solo. The funny thing is that it is actually closer to what John Lennon originally envisaged the song to be like. He later lamented that it was just rocked up and made commercial {I still dig it though} whereas he’d had in his mind a slower, more tortuous number that brought out the fact that he was crying for help. Purple’s does that. As for “Hey Joe,” it was years before I heard the Hendrix version. So, much as I like it, Deep Purple’s version had had many years to insinuate itself into my consciousness. And it really did. The preamble before getting to the main part, with its “Spanish bullfighter meets classical organ” theme is magnificent, and the way the band build throughout the piece is wicked ! There are so many little details thrown in by each member, that still, even to this day, stick out for me. And I have to say, much as I love Jimi’s singing, Rod Evans outdoes him on this one. And since around 1980, I’ve considered Richie’s solo on this song to be the first truly great solo he came up with for Deep Purple. After 42 years, nothing is going to change my mind about that one, I’m afraid !
I never had a problem with "Debbie Denise", and never heard from anyone I knew that did. Nothing wrong with a good melody and I thought it was a nice way to end an otherwise dark album. I've always hated "True Confessions", with the honky-tonk piano and horns. It's the song totally out of place on this album. As far as "I'm Not The One" being bad, I think it's okay as far as a Cars spoof goes. I remember hearing that Albert was a good bit surprised that the producer wanted this joke song on the album. The whole album itself is mostly a mess because it was the wrong producer. Yes, there are good some decent pop songs here, but this is BOC and not Cheap Trick. The female backing vocals on so many songs are absolute cringe, and even the band's harmonies are an overmixed sludge. It's like BOC did a cover album of late '70s pop featuring songs from bands that never made it into the Top 40. Not sure what Martin has against 'Club Ninja'. I liked it then and now. Most people that give it another listen seem to realize that it was a pretty good album. Good video, looking forward to more on the same subject!
I heard in the late 70s that a few critics picked out Debbie Denise on Agents, to me it's pure, raw Albert & I always dig it. Most fans seem positive about this song (?) ...
@@stevenwilkinson1265 I was a huge BOC fan from the start and found Debbie Denise unlistenable. Just awful. I would cite "Redeemed" from the 1st album as well as Goin' Through the Motions from Spectres as cringe-worthy
@@peterdelaney7061 Redeemed is an incredible song (that ending !!) & if you've heard the Stalk Forrest Group recordings from 1970 you'll know where it comes from style wise. My 1st issue with BOC was "Let Go" in 1983 .... wtaf. Though it rocked live in 1984 oddly.
I would pull out the Aerosmith catalog. I love Aerosmith but, the ballads such as Jaded, Amazing, Crazy, Cryin’ and I don’t want to Miss a Thing. All million dollar songs that mostly the ladies love, aren’t my cup of tea. For me, the real cool Aerosmith is the early rockers from Toys and Rocks etc.
I agree about the chorus to Heaven Can Wait though. “Heaven can waaaaaaaiiiiit, heaven can waaaaiiiiit “ (far too many times than necessary) heaven can waaaaaaaiiiiiiiiit til another day”.
Agree. And loneliness is based on the 1962 british movie where the running and throwing the race have strong social commentary, so it is not just a song about running.
Martin listed all my least favorite Maiden songs. Interestingly, there's a beautiful song called "Mother Russia" by Renaissance. It's not metal, of course, but it's really nice. "Is this Love" was the first Whitesnake song I heard, and the reason I don't own or listen to that band. Kinda like "Radar Love" turned me off entirely to Golden Earing. Then, about 5 yrs ago, a fellow band member asked me to listen to "Twilight Zone" and, oh man, was that different from what I expected.
I don't agree about D'yer Maker, I think it's a great song and it just shows how versatile a band like Led Zeppelin really was. It was influenced by reggae, yes, but they made the song their own. Also, I don't agree about Loch Ness, I actually really enjoy that chorus. :)
The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner???? 😮 That is my second most favourite song by Iron Maiden after To tame a Land. I love how opinions can differ but you should have seen my face and I have never before heard someone complain about that song. 😀 Btw, Martin: Reading your book „Limelight“ at the moment! Great read! 😉
I like Point of Entry! The two songs Martin mentioned I think are great. I think they were trying something different, although Rob isn't too complementary about the album in his book.
You know, thinking further about "Help" and "Hey Joe" by Deep Purple on their debut album, a good listen to both tells me that these two {especially the latter} are early blueprints of the brilliant version of "Child in time" found on the "Deep Purple in Rock" album. There's so much in those songs that later turns up in "Child in time" ¬> the slow, quiet build-up, led by the organ, the increasing intensity that explodes in climax. In "Hey Joe", the main Spanishy figure even goes on to be repeated in "Child"......and its solo points the way to what Blackmore does when he begins his solo on "Child." They are very similar figures. I've found that if one is listening to the earlier works of a guitarist, one can often hear in those early works, what the guitarist was thinking, by listening to their later works. That's certainly the case with Richie Blackmore.
I know these examples are much older than the bands named throughout about 80% of these comments but for Disraeli Gears, Cream made a very questionable decision to close the album with Mother’s Lament. Hendrix’s Axis: Bold As Love had a track called She’s So Fine on which Noel Redding sings. Not a bad job on his part, just not a great voice and the hideous backing vocals didn’t help. The Yardbirds had a few unmemorable songs on Little Games but they did themselves no favors with the inclusion Stealin’ Steelin’. In fact all these are from 1967
By the summer of 1980, I’d wanted to hear something by Black Sabbath for a good 8 months or so and when I saw the “Sabotage” album, I did a bit of wheeler dealing with some Coke bottles and snapped it up ! And what a treat. I still consider it to be the zenith at which the previous 5 albums had been pointing towards. I love the songs, there’s none I would even dream of not playing ~ and that includes “Am I going insane ?” I think it’s a grand song, pretty much always have done. Strangely, when I first heard it, despite the heaviness of the album being what I’d imagined Sabbath would probably sound like, I also thought that of “Am I going insane ?”. That brilliant album cover {one of my favourites} probably encapsulates that song more than any of the others, although for sheer insanity, Ozzy sounds like he’s “gone clear” on the 2nd verse of “Symptom of the universe. Mother Mooch is calling me ? OK, Geezer ! I also think “SuperTzar” is a wonderfully inventive piece of music, both heavy and progressive at the same time. It is really dark. It’s also a logical progression from the previous two albums. The “song” {if one can call it that} that, in my mind, should be ridiculed and reviled, is that stupid hidden track, “Blow on a jug.” What a waste of a minute that I’ll never get back ! Mind you, it’s a good example of a piece in which the title is way better than the song itself !!
I always wondered why they chose Am I Going Insane on We Sold Our Soul when there were way better songs from Sabotage to choose from. Then again, Sabbath themselves had nothing to do with that release.
Great video. I agreed with most of what you said... but I got to admit: I love both "Writing on the Wall" as well as "The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner" by Iron Maiden. But that's just personal taste. For Black Sabbath, I would add "Sins of the Father" from Dehumanizer, and for Priest definitely "United" from British Steel... And I absolutely loathe "Wind of Change" (and I do say this as a German...) Keep going guys!
No way!! I have only been heavily into Iron maiden for a few years now but can't believe Alexander the great was ridiculed?? Its one of my favourite songs by them! And the loneliness of the long distance runner is epic to I love that tune wicked guitar solo. I am glad I wasn't around to be influenced by others opinions at the time these were being shat on lol.
I don’t think Wasting Love or Writing on the Wall are joke songs. And I don’t think it sounds like Southern Rock or Bon Jovi at all, wtf 😂 Agree with you on the Somewhere in Time ones but I do agree with the rest of Martin’s choices. I would add Holy Smoke and Bring Your Daughter to the Slaughter as quite silly Maiden songs. Black Bart Blues too but that was a deliberately jokey B side.
A cool show again guys! There is a difference between ridiculous songs and stinker songs. Lot of the songs mentioned in the show aren't bad. I like some of them pretty much. Ad. Iron Maiden - Writing on the Wall is a gem on Senjutsu TMO (the best alongside with Hell on Earth and Stratego). Ad. LZ - Hot Dog really sucks. The rest mentioned are great songs and LZ was never easy to be put into a box. Ad. Whitesnake - Pete is so right about Is this Love. They made much better ballads before and later. I couldn't await Pete mentioning Anyone's Daughter - it is a ridiculous song but not a stinker TMO. The guys just had fun.
Love Zeppelin, totally agree with your 5 choices, but the one track I think trumps them all is 'hat's off to Roy Harper' from Zep 3, it's turns a classic album into a fantastic album 🏴🇺🇲
It’s meant to sound like an old timey blues thing. It’s based on ‘Shake Em On Down’ by Bukka White. There is some sort of in-joke reference with Roy Harper, who was Page’s friend.
You guys have some good ones here...I would add "United" by Judas Priest, "Arizona" by Scorpions and "Losing It" by Rush (although I've grown to love it). Btw, goofy lyrics aside, "I Think I'm Going Bald" rocks! I also love "The Crunge"....maybe "The Battle of Evermore" should have been on this list? Keep up the good work!
I love everything off Houses Of the Holy. I dont mind bands trying something different. Led Zeppellin never sounded cheesy, even with All Of My Love and D'Yer Mak'er is kinda fun.
I love Whitesnake's heavy stuff but also have a healthy space for the ballads, a la "Is This Love?", "The Deeper The Love", "Love Ain't No Stranger", "Now You're Gone", "Looking For Love", "Don't Turn Away", etc... A variety is always welcome. Even Sabbath had soft ballady songs (i.e., "She's Gone", "You Won't Change Me", "Air Dance", "Changes", "No Stranger To Love", "In Memory...", "Solitude", etc....) Even look at Rainbow. There were a TON of ballads/songs about love (i.e., Since You've Been Gone, I Surrender, Jealous Lover, All Night Long, Stone Cold, Makin' Love, Still I'm Sad, Street of Dreams, Rainbow Eyes, Do You Close Your Eyes?, etc)...
Loneliness of the long distance runner is a short story by the English author Alan Sillitoe about a working class guy in England trying to find peace and escape from his situation. I always assumed it related to that. Perhaps it was unclear in the lyrics. So, a poor adaptation is the way to see it.
Still not a bad song and definitely not worthy being ridiculed. Poor choice by Martin, agree with Quest for Fire and let's add Alexander The Great as well. If I want to learn about history, I'll buy a book or watch a doc, I don't need a Maiden-song for that.
A lot of KISS songs get ridiculed, but the main one that comes to mind is Burn Bitch Burn, mainly due to Gene's lyrical choices. (Wanna put my log in your fireplace!) A Maiden song I'm surprised Martin didn't mention is Hooks In You, which I actually quite like. I've seen some people call "Dancing Days" of Houses Of The Holy a filler track, but I also like that song (and I like The Crunge too!)
LOL!!! I agree about BBB. I mean, if we are really honest, most KISS songs are pretty stupid, lyric-wise, and that's ok; I don't listen to them for lyrical depth, I listen to them when I'm in the mood for some big stupid fun (and some laughs included, lol.) Oh, and I agree about The Crunge. Love that song.
I don't know what I enjoyed more: you and Martin ranting about these ridiculed songs or you guys imitating and doing the sound effects for these songs!
i always wanted to answer the phone with “Here I am, rock you like a hurricane”
Thank you guys for your opinions.
All the damn time.
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All Of My Love by Robert Plant was written as a tribute to his son who passed away. I like it alot, because it's so not Zeppelin.
Still has those thunderous Bonzo drums and it's certainly not the only Zeppelin power ballad (Thank You).
Beautiful song.
I agree, honesty I would of replaced All my Love with Fool in the Rain in terms of ridiculed. Personally can’t stand Fool in the Rain.
For me it sounds like a taste of what was to come with Plant's solo albums. It could easily have fitted in on one of the first two Plant solo outings.
@@mikephillips8810 Though I totally overdosed on Led Zeppelin in the 70s, Robert Plant's solo albums are still in frequent rotation. What killed Zep for me began with a horrible live performance.
Pete...the hardest working man on UA-cam. Very entertaining stuff again...many thanks to you both. My entry would be those bloody awful Aerosmith ballad singles (aside from Dream On) Like Amazing and Cryin', I Don't Want To Miss A Thing etc. For those of us steeped in the 70s Aerosmith they were cringeworthy. Re Rush 'Tai Shan' is Lifeson's most hated Rush track. I think Lee has a similar opinion.
I'm glad that you excluded Dream On, thus enabling me to agree with you
I have always loved the Loneliness of the Long distance runner. and it exemplifies one of the many reasons Iron Maiden is my favorite band of all time, They just do whatever the hell they want, simply for the love of what they do, and of the music. I give them all the credit in the world for following up Powerslave with this album. And I don't remember it being ridiculed that much back in the day.
I love this song too. One of my favourite Iron Maiden songs
The only people who had ridiculed "Lonliness", "Quest For Fire", "Heaven Can Wait" or "Alexander The Great" are Martin and his supposed "friends". Never met a single other Maiden fan in 40 years who thinks that.
@@danbal4185I definitely agree with that. These songs are only ridiculed in Martin's head.
Martin has the worst takes of all time.
I wasn't big enough at the time of actual release. But Quest for Fire has been rediculed at IM forums I can recall. It was even the first song that came to mind when I saw the title of this vid.
I am a long-time huge Van Halen fan (especially the DLR era), but I think many of us diehard fans don't share the love that the general public has for "Jump."
I was expecting one of them to mention Tattoo from A Different Kind Of Truth.
I love Jump, but it's prolly cuz I am 40 and got into Van Halen a long time after it came out
I was hoping they'd mention that. In fact Van Halen has many gay songs I can't stand.
The worst Van Halen song with DLR in the line up.
@@mahogany174 lol!
With you 100% on Zeppelin
I must admit yours and Martin’s expertise and vast knowledge, you often talk about albums, songs, and bands I’ve never heard of! That’s cool, it gives me a chance to listen and discover new things! Anyway, there is usually always something in your videos that I DO know, and can relate to!
Still hoping/waiting for a Pretty Things albums ranking... 🤞
Great show. Personally I love “All My Love” by Zeppelin. I get where it may get called out, but it’s a great song.
Agree. It's simple, but because it's Zeppelin, it sounds a lot more complicated in your head.
it's definitely the best song on "In Thru the Out Door", (Not their best album!) but Pete's other Zep picks were spot on.
All Of My Love is awesome, with an amazing structure (love the bluesy vibe in the bridge). Credit is where credit’s due; Jimmy Page and Bonzo weren’t into this kinda stuff at the time, but truth be told they were too strung out at the time to take the lead. ITTOD is Plant’s and Jonesy’s album.
I don't want an album where every song sounds too similar to the other ones. Kudos to bands/ artists for attempting variety. That said, I think All My Love and D'yer Mak'er are great songs, no matter who created them... and I respect Zeppelin more for trying, and largely succeeding, to make music out of their comfort zone...
I agree. The style or genre of the song really isn't the important thing. Is it good or not? So I like the odd songs you get on a Zep album. George Harrison. Van Halen. Artists making songs for themselves, not for the sheeples.
EXACTLY! Isn't a bit blinkered to expect all Zep songs to be roughly in the vein of Whole Lotta Love?
If Robert couldn't of done "All of my Love" on ITTOD, I don't think we would of got that record at all. That was the love song he wrote for his son that he lost tragically and suddenly while they were on the last tour. While it wasn't your typical LZ it was something he needed to do and once you know that the song makes more sense and has more purpose.
"Evening Star" was a masterpiece compared to "Parental Guidance," which saw the band catering to their 13 year old audience for some reason. Hard to believe the same band that penned "Victim of Changes" and "Realms of Death" could put out such awful tripe as that song.
PG is a disgrace. No, No. No? Yes, Yes, Yes.
Martin you picked my beloved BOC! However I completely agree with you. Remember buying Agents when it was released, still haven't made it completely through Debbie Denise!
Thin Lizzy: Romeo And The Lonely Girl.
I mean I love the song, but oh dear, those lyrics:
Ooh poor Romeo,
Settin' out on his own-eo.
When I was watching the Whitesnake bit it made me think, you could do a video looking at albums where the 'wrong' song/s were released as singles! Great video gentlemen!!
Kiss
1. Great Expectations
2. Then She Kissed Me
3. I Was Made for Lovin’ You
4. Read My Body (or most anything on HITS)
5. Bang Bang You (or most anything on Crazy Nights)
Would love to see a " In the Prog Seat " show on this topic
" Time Stand Still" actually made me a Rush fan...a ballad, but INTELLIGENTLY done...too many bands would have overproduced it, or went too soft...Rush did it perfectly...
If anything, it's the VIDEO that should be ridiculed. Ever see that?
@@RickNBacker 💯
I don't see how "Time Stand Still" could have been any softer or more overproduced.
I know the idea of Rush gunning for a top 40 hit is something that would make most Rush fans have an embolism but I think this is essentially what Rush was doing in the mid to late 80s.
You don't go in hot pursuit of the producers of Frankie Goes To Hollywood and Tina Turner and others (which they did) unless you're gunning for hits.
Pop music just wasn't Rush's forte and it's a shame they wasted so much time trying to to do it.
@@b.g.5869 how so? Softer would have meant putting in a string section or even more synths, no guitar, barely any drumming...overproduction would have stuck a meaningless ,wailing guitar solo in the middle...no, not too soft or overproduced...a ballad done with taste and intelligence...taste and intelligence was the best asset Rush had, exhibited here
@@michaelbaucom4019 It's got a chorus sung by Aimee Mann. It's so soft it literally caused Alex, Geddy, and Neil to float.
In my opinion it makes Air Supply sound like Slayer.
Rush is my favorite band and I was in high school when Signals came out. I don't recall being shocked when I first heard "New World Man".
I would have thought Martin would know that "The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner" is a movie from the 1960s, going along with Iron Maiden's tendency to write songs about movies they'd seen & explore the themes therein.
A movie based on a famous short story by angry-young-man novelist Alan Sillitoe.
Doesn't mean it's a good song. I'm a Maiden fan, and Somewhere in Time has some great tracks, but TLLDR is a snooze fest!
“ All Of My Love” was about the death of Robert Plant’s son.😢
Metallica - The Unforgiven, Nothing Else Matters, King Nothing, St. Anger.
Def Leppard - Pour Some Sugar on Me, Let's Get Rocked, When Love and Hate Collide,
Kiss - I Was Made For Loving You, Easy As it Seems, Shandi, A World Without Heroes ( I like all of those songs but this was a much ridiculed era of the band, from '80-'82.
Van Halen - Can't Stop Loving You, Right Now, Don't Tell Me What Love Can Do
Aerosmith - Crazy, Hole In My Soul, Jaded etc.
Great show guys!
Gotta say, I love "Turning Circles" from Point of Entry. Oh, well. It's fun to tear this stuff apart.
Totally agree about Signals. It was the end for me for Rush. I didnt like their 80's catalog after Moving Pictures and that was '81
Great topic! I have to say, as a guitar "player" I always loved Hot Dog by Zeppelin because that is one mean lick Page plays to kick that tune off!
It certainly is!! Just not “standard” Zep material! I love it! Zep often did this in concert, (live whole lotta love went into an Elvis Presley jam at one point)!
I was playing bass for a country rock band in the early 90's and we had Hot Dog in our catalog and would whip it out if we had the right crowd....Was a fun song even if I always felt Zeppelin was busting on Country music...it was ok with me as I was a metal head. I knew that it was a lousy country song and could tell that it was what a rock band would think was country....
Yes, I agree. It was the same thing with the Stones doing Far Away Eyes! But…I friggin’ love that song!
Wasn’t it rockabilly style, not pure country?
@@shanebargy1732 yes,an all time favourite of mine. A very original song. Love it!
So much in this show I disagree with and I'm still loving it! Great job guys!
As a Huge BOC Fan
I agree
Love Martin’s comments
I hate to put a damper on things but Robert Plant wrote "All of my Love" about the passing of his son.
Exactly, it's artistic expression
You know what’s funny, all those Maiden songs that Martin mentioned, i love them all lol. Over the years Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner is actually one of my favorite song’s off Somewhere in Time.
Love how Martin sidesteps the laughably naff Bring Your Daughter To The Slaughter.
Crap lyrics but still ok.
I agree! I dislike that and Holy Smoke- Maiden go Spinal Tap. Those two songs would be perfectly followed up by Maiden covering Big Bottom and then Break of the Wind.
Yes, was expecting that to make the Maiden list. It is just a really bad song - which I nevertheless like quite a bit.
And from the Di'Anno era I remember we thought the single Women In Uniform was a bit cheesy and not a great song
With the exception of Roll The Bones, the songs you mention are among my favorites. HYF and GUP are are my favorites. Have people forgotten Rush's earliest works were considered to be ~progressive~ rock?
Your channel is awesome, made even better with a pause button and a streaming service. You've caused me to discover a lot of what I missed in the 70s and 80s. TYVM.
I was on a Rush message board for years. "I think I'm going bald" wasn't ridiculed so much as it was simply ignored. The song I saw outright slagged, slammed, and ridiculed the most was "Superconductor". Which I happen to like, of course :)
Thank you for trashng Is This Love and The Deeper The Love from Whitesnake. Barf city.
that's such an interesting take. And absolutely true. Most fans just give them a pass for I think I'm going bald. Tai Shan also gets grief from fans.
But even when I am gray
I’ll still be gray my way
"The loneliness of the long distance runner" is a great and important short-story about class struggles in England written by Alan Sillitoe, one of the famous "angry young men" of the 1950s literature ...
Exactly.
Short story and then a film, actually.
@@fallspeed I knew the film but not the book. Very interesting.
I guess Europe's "Final Countdown" is the poster child for this topic 😆🍺🤘
open your heart is worse
No, a classic.
@@gamleskalle1 Just for the record, I love "Final Countdown", grew up with the tune; I just meant it's been ridiculed to no end
@@andreijurca5546 Just for the record, I love "Final Countdown", grew up with the tune; I just meant it's been ridiculed to no end
@@guillermomaldonado6277 I like it.
I feel like Take On The World and United also fit for Judas Priest. Their attempts at making an anthem that never hit it off.
United definitely
I don’t mind Take on the World but United is pretty awful.
Take On The World and United are terrible but imho they got it right the third time around with Heavy Duty/Defenders Of The Faith.
1. Dude Looks Like a Lady- Aerosmith
2. Pour Some Sugar on Me- Def Leppard
3. Call of the Wild- Deep Purple (Music video sucks and cringeworthy, but the song is good)
4. Hot Rockin'- Judas Priest
5. Waiting For a Girl Like You- Foreigner
6. Crazy Crazy Night- Kiss
7. Hot Dog- Led Zeppelin
8. The Joker- Steve Miller Band
9. We Built This City- Starship
10. Secret Love- Bee Gees
11. No Stranger to Love- Black Sabbath
12. Illegal Alien- Genesis
13. Body Language- Queen
14. Straight From the Heart- The Allman Brothers Band or basically the whole 'Brothers on the Road' (1981) album and 'Reach For the Sky' (1980)
15. Kilroy Was Here Album- Styx
Really can't disagree with any pick here, Kamran...
Deep purple has worse songs
The loneliness of the long distance runner is a cinematic and literary reference. The short story and film deal with the British class system, not athletics per se.
Good song
I think the cinematic and literary reference flew over the heads of North American metalheads.
I don’t like it
It still sounds goofy. The title just doesn't mesh well with a chorus melody either.
Yeah that's one of the best songs on that album. Quest for Fire was a terrible song off an otherwise phenomenal album.
Vital signs is kinda strange but I love it. Great lyrics from Neil, and I think that was because they were listening to a lot of the Police at the time.
Great show as always. I love Pete's face when Martin is mentioning those Maiden songs, plus the fact that he doesn't really comment afterwards! Come on Martin, sure a couple of those are stinkers but some of those are classics - Heaven can Wait and Loneliness - really?
And Alexander the great, a brilliant track
Martin I will give you ‘Angel and the Gambler’ and the lyrics on ‘ Quest for Fire’ but all the other Maiden songs you mentioned are fine IMO
You have to appreciate Martin not kissing ass. And I think Maiden is way too often put on a pedestal they don't deserve which feeds Steve's ego (I have no issue with the other band members, while Steve often strikes as me as taking this whole rock and roll business a bit too seriously).
They’ve made 17 studio albums and people come up with a handful of songs that could be described as a bit ridiculous. You can do it with any band if you try hard enough. Its just a bit of fun.
Popoff and Pardo are at it again with a great topic and already looking forward to Part 2 of this topic. May not agree with all the choices but always such a pleasure to hear Martin and Pete discuss their music knowledge and share some thoughts with us. Thanks, gents, for another great time.
Two Ps in a pod 😃
It often fascinates me how we hear the same things so differently as people. The night back in ‘79 that I first got into Deep Purple, it was with the albums “Shades of Deep Purple” and “Fireball.” And I dug every song on both albums, and I still do. In fact, they get better and better for me as the years roll on. Therefore, “Anyone’s daughter” was, for me, a winner from the moment I first heard it. In fact, if I cast my memory back to the night I first heard the album, even though I was looking to hear the heavy side of Purple, it’s that song that I remember first and foremost. “Fireball” is a classic album for me and the song was always a great preparation for what was about to follow on what was the old side 2, because it closed side one. It was also a good education for me because right from the start of my heavy life/appreciation of heavy, I learned that heavy bands actually had more strings to their bows than just heavy ones; it took me a while to learn that, though. I also learned that the early heavy rock bands were primarily song~orientated; they knew how to employ riffs, solos, screams and the rest, but primarily, they wrote songs. After the 80s, that was less the case in my opinion. Also, in that song, the way Blackmore, Lord, Glover and Paice create and sustain a mood, is masterful. The solos are as good as anything Blackmore and Lord ever did.
And my Dad still didn’t like them or their music !
I love Evening Star and Turning Circles. You Say Yes has a great middle section.
Absolutely bang on regards Quest For Fire and The Loneliness Of The Long Distance Runner. They should have been instrumentals.
Turning Circles is awesome! I love it!!
We gave Turbo Lover hell.
My list would be
1. You Make Me Feel Right At Home-Ted Nugent
2. Dyer Maker-Led Zeppelin
3. Roll The Bones-Rush
4. So Tired-Ozzy Osbourne
5. Let Go-Blue Oyster Cult
For albums
1. In Thru The Outdoor-Led Zeppelin
2. Turbo-Judas Priest
3. Diver Down-Van Halen
4. Virtual X-Iron Maiden
5. Mirrors-Blue Oyster Cult
No Queen? I'm astonished. They have a ton of ridiculous trax.
Loneliness Of The Long Distance Runner is based on the novel by Alan Sillitoe. It's not about long distance running (neither is Marathon by Rush), but about alienation and rebellion.
Reanaissances "MotherRudsia is about AlexandedSolsenyetse n.
“All Of My Love” isn’t really a ballad per say, Plant wrote it for his son that passed away, I like that song.
Jaz Coleman from Killing Joke did a symphonic Zeppelin album and easily my fav track on it is All Of My Love, it's really beautiful.
@@kevinbutler3665 Jaz has an incredible voice, I’ve never heard that covers Blum, I have to check it out.
Yes, many people didn’t realize who Plant was singing about. His heart was truly broken at this time in history! Soon after Bonham died, and that was the death blow for the band. Very sad, actually! Just glad they did get back together years later for several really good projects! But it was never true Zeppelin without Bonzo!!
It's definitely a ballad. The fact that it's about his son that passed away doesn't mean it's not a ballad (ballad's don't have to be about romantic love etc).
The problem with that album is that it was really just John Paul Jones and a very depressed Robert Plant in the studio, as Page and Bonham were MIA.
Plant was sick of Zeppelin by that point and it really shows.
@@b.g.5869 Page was a junky, he was strung out, a ballad is actually just a poem or song that narrates a story in short phrases, so technically most songs are ballads because they are short form, what I meant was it’s not a ballad in the way in which Pete and Martin consider a ballad to be. “All Of My Love” is almost 6 minutes long, so it still falls within the range of a longer song and not a typical radio length song. I think John Paul Jones massive contribution to this album shows what a great musician he is.
I love The Crunge. Just love it. And I love the whole Presence album. Not one bad song on it.
The Crunge is off Houses of the Holy.
@@patrickmohan2220 yes I know, I just mentioned Presence because it doesn't get a lot of love.
@@mannyruiz1954 I love Presence too, except for "Tea For One." Not sure what it is, but to my ears it doesn't stand up to "Since I've Been Loving You," which is very similar.
@@stuarthecht8196 Interesting… I personally love Tea For One. Candy Store Rock is quite weak in my opinion, along with Hots On For Nowhere and Royal Orleans, to an extent.
@@aviationlba747 so funny- you named three songs off of Presence that I love! I guess when it comes to Zep, it's to each his own. At least we probably agree on how amazing this band is. Cheers!
I couldn't disagree more about Zep The Crunge. Grooves in a way only Zep can!
One of my favorite Zep songs!
I like the Crunge on its own. It doesn’t work as part of the album for me. It does groove and hey, it’s a Led Zeppelin song which is going in a different direction for them. I wish it were on a more eclectic album, eg The White Album.
Would have made a great James Brown track, and surprisingly, it really is one of the very first rap songs! Who woulda thought!?
I agree, love The Crunge. Not my favourite on Houses, but a fun song. That is my favourite Zeppelin album, second favourite record of all time, so really no bad songs on it, IMO.
@@stuarthecht8196 Was done as a tribute to James Brown, so you are absolutely right.
Day Tripper was an awesome cover
Queen - Body Language (or the majority of Hot Space.)
Judas Priest - Johnny B. Goode cover (maybe even much of the Ram it Down album.)
Those are generally ridiculed, but not necessarily by me (I'm not quite big on the Priest cover, though.)
Personally never had a problem with the ridiculed Zeppelin tunes (The Crunge is interesting with the rhythm in 9, and All My Love was written for Plant's deceased son, if I'm not mistaken.)
Love the synth during Body Language. Great stuff
@@MrMusic193 Yeah, I've always liked the song, even before I found out it was loathed by many.
Yeah All My Love is not a sappy romantic song. Robert Plant wrote the lyrics about his deceased son.
@@jimmycampbell78 You know, that's actually my fav song from the ITtOD album. Loved it the very first time I heard it; Didn't hear about the inspiration behind it (and the overall story about the ITtOD project) until years later.
This was such a great topic and thanks for the amazing discussion. I am guilty of enjoying most of those songs, but that doesn’t bother me a bit. Keep up the great work
Roll The Bones......says it all. I remember where i was when it came on the radio. Like when Kennedy got shot. It had more impact than even that.
Nice topic! Doesn't happen that often I have to fundamentally disagree, but maaan... must be the first time I've EVER heard someone complain about something from Maiden's "Somewhere In Time", one of THE most untouchable masterpieces in music history. And well, Ghost's cover of the Beatles' "Here Comes The Sun" is pure awesomeness! :)
Some tunes off top of my head:
KISS - Let's Put The X In Sex
Judas Priest - Turbo Lover
Iron Maiden - Bring Your Daughter... To The Slaughter
Queen - The Invisible Man
Lou Reed & Metallica - Lulu (Whole Album)
Manowar - Herz Aus Stahl (German Version of "Heart Of Steel")
Scorpions - Wind Of Change
Absolutely super entertaining and informative episode, guys. Brilliant.
For Sabbath, does FX qualify? Worst 90 seconds of their catalog followed by 5 of the best minutes of their catalog (Supernaut).
I think the numbness of “FX” makes the impact of “Supernaut” that much more pronounced. I’m lulled to sleep and that riff just wakes me up.
I love FX.
I think it was a bit of vinyl time filler?
Honestly, FX is beyond the pale of rubbish. Probably the best LP advert for avoiding cocaine !
Heaven Can Wait is a great song with a blatantly bad note on every chorus. Bruce is singing an F# over a Bb chord (which has an F natural) and it's flat out sour. And he does it every time. I can't believe no one along the way caught that.
Tattoo - VH
You’re the Inspiration - Chicago
I Would Do Anything for Love - Meatloaf
We Didn’t Start the Fire - Billy Joel
Lick it Up - Kiss
Dancing in the Street - Bowie and Jagger
Anything by Nickelback
Kiss - I Was Made For Lovin’ You
This was such a great topic and thanks for the amazing discussion. I am guilty of enjoying most of those songs, but that doesn’t bother me a bit.I know most everyone hates Nostradamus, but It works for me. Keep up the great work guys!
Led Zep’s « The Crunge » is a masterpiece.
Nails on a chalkboard.
Priest:
Parental Guidance and Private Property are HEINOUS. So, after Turbo came Ram it Down, and they horrible Johnny B Goode cover made me ignore Priest until I heard Painkiller while getting a tattoo. I was shocked, and then I went back and realized Ram it Down was not represented by JBG.
I agree with Pete on "Shut Up And Kiss Me". I was thinking the same thing. I mean, come on, David Coverdale being almost 70 and writing "Shut Up And Kiss Me" is just ridiculous. Doesn't he have something else to say at that age?
I can't stand Coverdale
Great show Pete and Martin !!!. Didn’t know picking bad songs could be so interesting.
I would like to add a couple to Led Zeppelin…
Boogie With Stu (always skip) & Black Country Woman (which ends with bad harmonica )
I Do like D’yer Ma’ker because of the bridge.
Anyone’s Daughter I’m not crazy about. But if you cut the vocals, some nice Blackmore riffs
Martin you mentioned Hush….the lyrics are kinda silly…but to me this is the first example of the greatness to come with Lord & Blackmore dueling away.
Fun topic !!! Thanks Guys !!!
I’ve always loved Boogie With Stu. On the other hand, Night Flight is one of the worst Zeppelin songs.
@@robbieclark7828 Boogie With Stu is ok as a piano boogie…,but where is Jimmy Page?
I do like Night Flight ; but I would say it is pretty light weight for Led Zeppelin
This needs to be a subject for a Hudson Valley Squares show!
I really look forward to Friday morning at the funhouse! Makes Friday even better!
Revolution By Night is the BOC album that has grown better over time for me. Yea, still a couple cheesers that don't make the grade. I guess maybe I should try Club Ninja again.
Club Ninja is great..
This was very enjoyable because of the topic and both of you singing. 👍🏼
Rush's Show Don't Tell was the final nail on the coffin for me, and they dropped many turds after that.
I dug “Shades of Deep Purple” the first time I heard it. In fact, it was the first Purple album I heard and they got me right from the off. For me, there isn’t a poor moment on the album. I love it because it is heavy, it is poppy, it has classical pretensions, it tries to be soulful, it’s experimental, it’s improvisatory and it breathes a different kind of life into some already established songs as well as having lots of originality. I’m not so sure again, that “Hush” is a ridiculed song. If anything, it’s been endlessly critiqued as evidence of where they started off in comparison to where they made their name. But if you listen to it at volume, it’s a fairly heavy song for a band that didn’t know what it wanted to be in 1968. Personally, I love it. It’s one of those songs that evokes everything about where I was when I first got into it.
I’ve been a Beatle fan for the last 45 years and in all that time, I have only ever heard two stabs at their songs {any of them} that remotely impress me. One is “Proposition” by early heavy rockers Josefus, in which they have a middle section that is the riff from “I want you ~ she’s so heavy.” It’s less than a minute long and it sounds great. It doesn’t deviate from the Abbey Road version at all. So it only partially counts. The only song I can say that I like as much as a Beatle original, in fact, like at all, is….wait for it……..”Help !” by Deep Purple. For me, this has been a great version for over 40 years. It’s very different to the Beatles’ one, I’m glad to say, with that lovely honey dripping organ and a lovely Blackmore solo. The funny thing is that it is actually closer to what John Lennon originally envisaged the song to be like. He later lamented that it was just rocked up and made commercial {I still dig it though} whereas he’d had in his mind a slower, more tortuous number that brought out the fact that he was crying for help. Purple’s does that.
As for “Hey Joe,” it was years before I heard the Hendrix version. So, much as I like it, Deep Purple’s version had had many years to insinuate itself into my consciousness. And it really did. The preamble before getting to the main part, with its “Spanish bullfighter meets classical organ” theme is magnificent, and the way the band build throughout the piece is wicked ! There are so many little details thrown in by each member, that still, even to this day, stick out for me. And I have to say, much as I love Jimi’s singing, Rod Evans outdoes him on this one. And since around 1980, I’ve considered Richie’s solo on this song to be the first truly great solo he came up with for Deep Purple. After 42 years, nothing is going to change my mind about that one, I’m afraid !
I never had a problem with "Debbie Denise", and never heard from anyone I knew that did. Nothing wrong with a good melody and I thought it was a nice way to end an otherwise dark album. I've always hated "True Confessions", with the honky-tonk piano and horns. It's the song totally out of place on this album.
As far as "I'm Not The One" being bad, I think it's okay as far as a Cars spoof goes. I remember hearing that Albert was a good bit surprised that the producer wanted this joke song on the album. The whole album itself is mostly a mess because it was the wrong producer. Yes, there are good some decent pop songs here, but this is BOC and not Cheap Trick. The female backing vocals on so many songs are absolute cringe, and even the band's harmonies are an overmixed sludge. It's like BOC did a cover album of late '70s pop featuring songs from bands that never made it into the Top 40.
Not sure what Martin has against 'Club Ninja'. I liked it then and now. Most people that give it another listen seem to realize that it was a pretty good album.
Good video, looking forward to more on the same subject!
I heard in the late 70s that a few critics picked out Debbie Denise on Agents, to me it's pure, raw Albert & I always dig it. Most fans seem positive about this song (?) ...
@@stevenwilkinson1265 I was a huge BOC fan from the start and found Debbie Denise unlistenable. Just awful. I would cite "Redeemed" from the 1st album as well as Goin' Through the Motions from Spectres as cringe-worthy
@@peterdelaney7061 Redeemed is an incredible song (that ending !!) & if you've heard the Stalk Forrest Group recordings from 1970 you'll know where it comes from style wise. My 1st issue with BOC was "Let Go" in 1983 .... wtaf. Though it rocked live in 1984 oddly.
@@stevenwilkinson1265 I'm familiar with all of it. I'm just not a fan of Sir Rastus Bear. No worries.
I would pull out the Aerosmith catalog. I love Aerosmith but, the ballads such as Jaded, Amazing, Crazy, Cryin’ and I don’t want to Miss a Thing. All million dollar songs that mostly the ladies love, aren’t my cup of tea. For me, the real cool Aerosmith is the early rockers from Toys and Rocks etc.
Long distance runner, Alexander the great are 2 masterpieces. Heaven can wait is great. Mother Russia is ok.
I like all of those songs too. Mother Russia is about the fall of the Soviet Union.
I agree about the chorus to Heaven Can Wait though.
“Heaven can waaaaaaaiiiiit, heaven can waaaaiiiiit “ (far too many times than necessary) heaven can waaaaaaaiiiiiiiiit til another day”.
Agree. And loneliness is based on the 1962 british movie where the running and throwing the race have strong social commentary, so it is not just a song about running.
Martin listed all my least favorite Maiden songs. Interestingly, there's a beautiful song called "Mother Russia" by Renaissance. It's not metal, of course, but it's really nice. "Is this Love" was the first Whitesnake song I heard, and the reason I don't own or listen to that band. Kinda like "Radar Love" turned me off entirely to Golden Earing. Then, about 5 yrs ago, a fellow band member asked me to listen to "Twilight Zone" and, oh man, was that different from what I expected.
I don't agree about D'yer Maker, I think it's a great song and it just shows how versatile a band like Led Zeppelin really was. It was influenced by reggae, yes, but they made the song their own. Also, I don't agree about Loch Ness, I actually really enjoy that chorus. :)
The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner???? 😮 That is my second most favourite song by Iron Maiden after To tame a Land. I love how opinions can differ but you should have seen my face and I have never before heard someone complain about that song. 😀
Btw, Martin: Reading your book „Limelight“ at the moment! Great read! 😉
I like Point of Entry! The two songs Martin mentioned I think are great. I think they were trying something different, although Rob isn't too complementary about the album in his book.
Everything on Point of Entry is superior to 90% of Turbo.
@@independenceltd. Agreed. Turbo is an album I never play, and haven't for years.
The show that just keeps giving🤘 Great shows guys, proper Pardo and Popoff RANT episode! 😆😁
You know, thinking further about "Help" and "Hey Joe" by Deep Purple on their debut album, a good listen to both tells me that these two {especially the latter} are early blueprints of the brilliant version of "Child in time" found on the "Deep Purple in Rock" album. There's so much in those songs that later turns up in "Child in time" ¬> the slow, quiet build-up, led by the organ, the increasing intensity that explodes in climax. In "Hey Joe", the main Spanishy figure even goes on to be repeated in "Child"......and its solo points the way to what Blackmore does when he begins his solo on "Child." They are very similar figures. I've found that if one is listening to the earlier works of a guitarist, one can often hear in those early works, what the guitarist was thinking, by listening to their later works. That's certainly the case with Richie Blackmore.
I know these examples are much older than the bands named throughout about 80% of these comments but for Disraeli Gears, Cream made a very questionable decision to close the album with Mother’s Lament. Hendrix’s Axis: Bold As Love had a track called She’s So Fine on which Noel Redding sings. Not a bad job on his part, just not a great voice and the hideous backing vocals didn’t help. The Yardbirds had a few unmemorable songs on Little Games but they did themselves no favors with the inclusion Stealin’ Steelin’. In fact all these are from 1967
By the summer of 1980, I’d wanted to hear something by Black Sabbath for a good 8 months or so and when I saw the “Sabotage” album, I did a bit of wheeler dealing with some Coke bottles and snapped it up ! And what a treat. I still consider it to be the zenith at which the previous 5 albums had been pointing towards. I love the songs, there’s none I would even dream of not playing ~ and that includes “Am I going insane ?” I think it’s a grand song, pretty much always have done. Strangely, when I first heard it, despite the heaviness of the album being what I’d imagined Sabbath would probably sound like, I also thought that of “Am I going insane ?”. That brilliant album cover {one of my favourites} probably encapsulates that song more than any of the others, although for sheer insanity, Ozzy sounds like he’s “gone clear” on the 2nd verse of “Symptom of the universe. Mother Mooch is calling me ? OK, Geezer !
I also think “SuperTzar” is a wonderfully inventive piece of music, both heavy and progressive at the same time. It is really dark. It’s also a logical progression from the previous two albums.
The “song” {if one can call it that} that, in my mind, should be ridiculed and reviled, is that stupid hidden track, “Blow on a jug.” What a waste of a minute that I’ll never get back ! Mind you, it’s a good example of a piece in which the title is way better than the song itself !!
I always wondered why they chose Am I Going Insane on We Sold Our Soul when there were way better songs from Sabotage to choose from. Then again, Sabbath themselves had nothing to do with that release.
'Somewhere In Time', is one of the best Iron Maiden albums
Fantastic album, and Alexander the great is epic, historical song that has outstanding dual 🎸, I love it personally.
The loneliness of the long distance runner is better than anything on Sen Jutsu.
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@@Geerladenlad 100% agree with you.
I respect Martin greatly, but he is a bit way too out of the mark with this album.
Great video. I agreed with most of what you said... but I got to admit: I love both "Writing on the Wall" as well as "The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner" by Iron Maiden. But that's just personal taste.
For Black Sabbath, I would add "Sins of the Father" from Dehumanizer, and for Priest definitely "United" from British Steel... And I absolutely loathe "Wind of Change" (and I do say this as a German...)
Keep going guys!
I disagree only about All my Love (LZ)... it was about Robert´s Son, Karac!
The first song that came to mind was Quest for Fire and lo and behold - I do love it for it's total cheesiness though :)
No way!! I have only been heavily into Iron maiden for a few years now but can't believe Alexander the great was ridiculed?? Its one of my favourite songs by them! And the loneliness of the long distance runner is epic to I love that tune wicked guitar solo. I am glad I wasn't around to be influenced by others opinions at the time these were being shat on lol.
I don’t think Wasting Love or Writing on the Wall are joke songs. And I don’t think it sounds like Southern Rock or Bon Jovi at all, wtf 😂
Agree with you on the Somewhere in Time ones but I do agree with the rest of Martin’s choices. I would add Holy Smoke and Bring Your Daughter to the Slaughter as quite silly Maiden songs. Black Bart Blues too but that was a deliberately jokey B side.
At 45:15 same with me, Pete. Black Out and on back are pretty freaking rocking. Afterwards, its mighty weak.
Loch Ness reminds me of drinking whiskey with friends around a bonfire and all howling the cheesy chorus. Good times.
A cool show again guys! There is a difference between ridiculous songs and stinker songs. Lot of the songs mentioned in the show aren't bad. I like some of them pretty much.
Ad. Iron Maiden - Writing on the Wall is a gem on Senjutsu TMO (the best alongside with Hell on Earth and Stratego).
Ad. LZ - Hot Dog really sucks. The rest mentioned are great songs and LZ was never easy to be put into a box.
Ad. Whitesnake - Pete is so right about Is this Love. They made much better ballads before and later.
I couldn't await Pete mentioning Anyone's Daughter - it is a ridiculous song but not a stinker TMO. The guys just had fun.
Love Zeppelin, totally agree with your 5 choices, but the one track I think trumps them all is 'hat's off to Roy Harper' from Zep 3, it's turns a classic album into a fantastic album 🏴🇺🇲
It’s meant to sound like an old timey blues thing. It’s based on ‘Shake Em On Down’ by Bukka White. There is some sort of in-joke reference with Roy Harper, who was Page’s friend.
All of my love was a tribute to Robert's dead son . I thought it was a beautiful song..
That album was pretty much taken over by jpj
loneliness of the long distance runner is my one of my favorites songs of all time! WTF; and Quest for Fire ain't that bad either.
You guys have some good ones here...I would add "United" by Judas Priest, "Arizona" by Scorpions and "Losing It" by Rush (although I've grown to love it). Btw, goofy lyrics aside, "I Think I'm Going Bald" rocks! I also love "The Crunge"....maybe "The Battle of Evermore" should have been on this list? Keep up the good work!
I love everything off Houses Of the Holy. I dont mind bands trying something different. Led Zeppellin never sounded cheesy, even with All Of My Love and D'Yer Mak'er is kinda fun.
I love Whitesnake's heavy stuff but also have a healthy space for the ballads, a la "Is This Love?", "The Deeper The Love", "Love Ain't No Stranger", "Now You're Gone", "Looking For Love", "Don't Turn Away", etc... A variety is always welcome. Even Sabbath had soft ballady songs (i.e., "She's Gone", "You Won't Change Me", "Air Dance", "Changes", "No Stranger To Love", "In Memory...", "Solitude", etc....) Even look at Rainbow. There were a TON of ballads/songs about love (i.e., Since You've Been Gone, I Surrender, Jealous Lover, All Night Long, Stone Cold, Makin' Love, Still I'm Sad, Street of Dreams, Rainbow Eyes, Do You Close Your Eyes?, etc)...
I make fun of Maiden's Quest for Fire on a weekly basis. "In a time when dinosaurs walked the Earth"
Yes, especially the budget Jethro Tull section in the middle.
Maiden's worst song, by a country mile. And Piece of Mind is my favorite album.
Very Spinal Tap-esque.
Alexander the Great is one of their best songs, just because it's long doesn't mean its an Ancient Mariner knock-off.
Loneliness of the long distance runner is a short story by the English author Alan Sillitoe about a working class guy in England trying to find peace and escape from his situation. I always assumed it related to that. Perhaps it was unclear in the lyrics. So, a poor adaptation is the way to see it.
Still not a bad song and definitely not worthy being ridiculed. Poor choice by Martin, agree with Quest for Fire and let's add Alexander The Great as well. If I want to learn about history, I'll buy a book or watch a doc, I don't need a Maiden-song for that.
Just because Steve reads a book doesn't mean he needs to write a song and a good chunk of Maiden's catalog is a hidden history lesson.
AC/DC - “Love Song” and “Mistress For Christmas”.
A lot of KISS songs get ridiculed, but the main one that comes to mind is Burn Bitch Burn, mainly due to Gene's lyrical choices. (Wanna put my log in your fireplace!)
A Maiden song I'm surprised Martin didn't mention is Hooks In You, which I actually quite like. I've seen some people call "Dancing Days" of Houses Of The Holy a filler track, but I also like that song (and I like The Crunge too!)
LOL!!! I agree about BBB. I mean, if we are really honest, most KISS songs are pretty stupid, lyric-wise, and that's ok; I don't listen to them for lyrical depth, I listen to them when I'm in the mood for some big stupid fun (and some laughs included, lol.)
Oh, and I agree about The Crunge. Love that song.