I look at Owner Of A Lonely Heart and Rhythm Of Love as Yes' part two of the band, different members and attempting to modernize their sound, and I immediately liked both tunes and dig the 90215 and Big Generator albums they came from! 90215 is beautifully crafted, expertly played and filled with hooks - production is ACES! The song Rhythm Of Love is one of my all time favs - total ear candy!
@@adamsmashups4839 yes sir - vocal beauty with those beginning harmonies! Really dig the more commercially minded YES tuneage, still features excellent playing and smart arrangements! Good music is good music, dammit! Trevor is one helluva musician - like his solo stuff as well! Good call on the harmony vocals, peace.
YesWest is YesBEST. I get why people don't like Union, but I don't get where people are coming from when they say 90125 and BiG are pop trash....Have those ppl ever heard 'Changes' or 'Hearts'?
@@Sammeep02 My two fav songs on the album! Nice mention! I have no problem with extraordinary musicians, updating their sound, going more commercial, as long as the songs are interesting, honest and continue to showcase members talents! I feel like Asia did that real well on quite a few of their albums, as well. Same for Supertramp and Genesis - got no problem with well written, hook filled, songs.
Thanks guys, a great second helping of this concept. Always entertaining when you guys are together. Can't argue with most of the choices here, but I think for some of us watching as Pete hinted, some of these songs are guilty pleasures.
'You and Me' by Alice Cooper is one of those songs from my early teen years in the late 70s that has never left my memory, even though I never really became a huge fan or bought any of his records. I love that song.
Alice's YOU AND ME is melodic magic! Beautiful ballad - we were stunned that Alice could make a song so sweet and moving, it's catchy as hell and showed Cooper had a lot more range than previously thought! Nice pick! Love his I'll Never Cry, as well!
I’ve always wondered and would love someone to clarify, but it seems most of back in black may have been in production before Brian joined. Post BIB it seems material really went south. If there was demos of bon singing BIB it would sell millions
"Ballad-itis" ruined Aerosmith, and Steven Tyler doesn't wanna be cured of this dreadful disease! What an effin disappointment Aerosmith have become - huge fan of their early stuff!
Hated JUMP the first time I heard it....the second time I heard it I loved it and have ever since! Eddie on keyboards......NO No no...well. uh......maybe .....YES! Eddie just can do no wrong - he simply knows melody!
I dunno. I know they just glossed over 3, but even among the clunkers on that album, “How Many Say I?” was a punchline right from the first day the album came out - I remember hopping on the message boards to discuss that album after my first couple times listening to it and half the threads were making fun of that song and Eddie’s awful singing voice. I’ve met a few fans who claim to like it in a “so bad it’s good” way, but I’ve never met anyone who thinks that’s a genuinely good song, or that Eddie singing lead was a smart idea.
@19:35 - Circus of Heaven is bad alright, but I will never forget listening to Tormato for the first time with my best friend who loved stuff like Funkadelic and Brothers Johnson - I put on side 2 and didn’t make it past a single verse of Arriving UFO before my friend burst out laughing. He knew I loved Yes, and I was so embarrassed 😂
Somebody mentioned “ don’t sit on the plexiglass toilet. Took a listen to it…wow, what a terrible song. Now the song is stuck in my head. What am I gonna do!
Status Quo would get their fair share of ridicule having so many cover songs as singles choices, like Nazareth they’re a band that went from being decently heavy rocking to safe housewife pop by the early/mid-80s. I mean, “Marguerita Time“ or “In The Army Now” were quite ridiculed by older fans. I do remember though, buying the former single so at the time I wasn’t too bothered by it but thought that by ITAN they’d lost the plot.
Motley Crue - Home Suite Home Survival - I off Tygers Black Sabbath - Lord of the Thighs Aerosmith - Faeries Ware Boots Nazareth - Woke Up this Morning Guns and Rosa's - Smells Like Tean Spearit Nirvana - My Rachelle Bon Scott - Living on a Prayer Metal Church - Way Kool JR Rat - Data Witch Poverty Bruce Springsteen - Cum On Feal Da Noyes
I bought AC/DC's Powerage brand new and didn't know anyone that ridiculed Rock and Rock Damnation, because we knew they were just trying to get some Radio play in America and the rest of the album was great(maybe their best Bon era album after let there be rock). but I agree with the Brian Johnson era lyrics because as much as he tries he's no Bon Scott when writing lyrics
Yes: The Time and a Word album got some ridicule for the strings added. Although it is a great song, Yours is No Disgrace got some good natured ridicule for its opening Bonanza riff. Heaven & Earth has been scorned.
Another great show. Interesting how a bands most ridiculed songs can often be their biggest hits. And I confess. When I was 7yrs old I got my first KISS album, Love Gun. And to this day, I still really like And Then She Kissed Me.
16:32 "Finish What Ya Started" is more of "VH goes country" than bluesy. Wikipedia quotes a review that says it could dominate country radio. Note the clean guitar tone and the solo/break, which hints at the chicken-pickin' technique. Edit: in the music video, during the solo, Ed wears a cowboy hat, boots, and a plaid shirt. The ladies also wear cowboy hats and have pistols.
I remember the first time I heard Radio Ga Ga.It had just been released as a single and I happened to have the local rock station on.The DJ mentioned something about a brand new song from Queen. I immediately fell in love with it. I listened to it at least 3 more times that same day.Queen were already my favorite band and had been since 1980.Radio Ga Ga immediately became my #1 favorite song by any one,and remained so until I heard Innuedno,seven years later. Oh,and I love A Kind of Magic.Though I prefer the original Highlander version.I want it played at my funeral.
I had the opposite reaction. Loved Queen in the 70s, was appalled by Another One Bites the Dust, and stopped listening to new Queen music when I heard Radio Gaga. They lost their way, IMHO.
Martin, I've noticed in the last 2 or 3 episodes that you're somehow lower in the mix and it's sometimes hard to hear what you're saying. Now, I know I'm not getting any younger and my ears have been damaged by years and years of loud music, but so are probably most of the people listening to this podcast. Just sayin'... :-) Great show! Cheers!
He needs to stay close to his microphone or he cuts out -adjustment needed? He's great, though and we want to hear every word! Pete rules, as well, great channel!
Kiss didnt want that song on their first album. It had something to do with some contest and the record company stuck it on there. I cant remember the story now.
"Powerage".....sounds like a good choice for Album of the Day. Thanks, guys. Oh, and it's kind of chilly down here in S. Florida too. It took until mid-afternoon before my AC kicked on :-)
I think Queen gets a pass on a lot of that early stuff, not because everyone assumed they were geniuses and understood what they were doing, but because they were so clearly camp. Freddie Mercury was always a Broadway songwriter at heart; his rock songs are pastiche, like everything else he did. Retrospectively, I think people enjoy those ridiculous Styx tracks for the same reason. "Mr Roboto" is an extremely silly track, but at the distance of 40 years it's easier to appreciate as (probably unintentional) camp.
I agree. For example, ‘Lazing on a Sunday Afternoon’ and ‘Good Old Fashioned Lover Boy’ are Freddie Mercury revelling in his genteel Noel Coward type fantasies/pastiches.
Yeah, even when Queen went disco, I don't think they were ridiculed. The rock fans like me simply went - 'Oh, they're trying disco now and, you know what? - 'Another One Bites the Dust' is pretty good disco.' Even for some of the other choices, I don't think 'ridicule' is the right word - 'disappointment at the change in direction' is more apt.
Good points. Broadway tunes, or Opera... aren't 'camp' by definition. Obviously any music form has camp potential, intentional or not. To my ears, the camp-potential increases within the parameters of the Rock music genre. Classic"Cheese' like the Styx material you sighted- *Paradise Theater'...lotta cheese. ( I liked Pieces Of Eight in Junior High-...then Zepp, J Beck,Zappa, Mahavishnu, Who...all that took over.. I did have Comps to a STYX Reunion show 20 years ago- . And..? They wete great! Lotta fun. was Playing a jam last week. Saudi Arabian hand drummer ( incredible) LOVES Mr. Roboto!I couldn't talk him out of it either. We had a laugh. So, who knows. The WHO? Pete Solo stuff? Loaded with Broadway style Tin Pan Alley - Guitar & Pem..Music Must Change, WHO STE YOU- the verses are classic Broadway' crescendo.. composition ( not just Tommy) Who by Numbers- Who are You , Quad.. Zero cheese, no pastiche. Ask we know, Just genius world- changing music that still stands up & fllls Stadiums 50 yrs later. I agree with you in Queen . F.. ng superb other planet band, no doubt. Plus 4 albums that, to me are barely listenable- a couple quickly out of print . ( Pains me to write that..) Lots of reasons for that. Freddie did some beautiful ballads and explored the Broadway- Tim Pan Alley side of his creativty while bathing AUDS. Mercury - How incredible was this guy? Talent, discipline, dedication and .. charisma. Obviously May, great rythm section- paid their dues- Beatles like curiosity and intelligence.. Sorry! It's late. Stating the obvious. I liked your post. Really like these 2 guys music talk! Read his RUSH books. Really well done. Thanks!
Just thoughts... Kissin Time was not on the initial release of the first KISS LP ... one of those GFR tracks mentioned was a vocal warm up for the band and when Rundgren heard them doing it said they should record it, I can't be bothered to seek out the Farner interview I heard that story from might be the one he did with Joe B .. and my copy of Hair of the Dog does not have Love Hurts ,, here in Canada it was a stand alone single....released here in late 1974 and went to #1 .. we got another cover "Guilty" by Randy Newman .. and the Yanks got Love Hurts ,,, both have those signature tortured McCafferty vocal treatment
For Queen I liked Body Language, although I see your point. On that album I however never got into Las Palabras del Amor (too shitty for me). Same for Styx too, in the days I did not like it but the song Babe has grown and now I think it's a good one, but it did the group no good (although commercially it did).
Couldn't agree more with regards the AC/DC choices Martin made. I seem to recall that he's a fan of the post-Bon era, whereas I'm not. Bon Scott wrote a kind of street poetry, tales of the rock n' roll life. He lived the life, it was real. Brian Johnson is an absolutely brilliant bloke from the north of England with working class roots and a decent voice. His lyrics, however, are like the single entendre one liners that you'd hear back in the day from some sweaty, overweight comic with a tab in the corner of his mouth from the stage of a grimy working men's club.
KISS - Creatures of the Night, and Lick it Up were Really Heavy Metal, but the rest of their 1980s albums were the reason you can't find them on Metal Archives, silly Bubblegum Butt Rock Sugary Pop Music from Animalize up until Psyche Circus
Oh I get the concept and your points of contention with previous viewers from last week, including myself, BUT, my point was that I don't ever recall anyone ever dissing on Zepp's The Crunge back in the day. Perhaps some duffus from Rolling Stone mag.made a disparaging comment about the track, but friends and fellow musicians never ridiculed The Crunge on it's initial release. That's my "point" Peter. Cheers.
I first heard Styx with Mr. Roboto and the songs from that era. So I thought they were a pop-rock band that sang mostly ballads (Babe, etc.). Only much later I found out they were actually a great rock-prog band.
Coverdale is cringe whenever he has the sexual suggestive lyrics. “Slide it in, right to the top, I ain’t never gonna stop, I’m gonna slide it in. Slide it in!”
Queen's "Another one bites the dust" made me think of "Another one rides the bus" by Weird Al and the idea for an episode about songs that were parodied. Remember Chuck Berry's - My Ding A Ling? Or Debbie Harry's - French Kissing in the USA?
Always thought Do You Close Your Eyes had some clever lyrics. Who would have ever thought that title would pertain to having sex. I always loved the music to that song, it was like a premonition to my favorite Dio song Mystery
Never understood the dislike of VH's "Tattoo". I think it's great. If this had come out in 1985 it would have been a huge hit. Great album and a great song. And a great show , as always. Thank you gentlemen.
I agree. It's not their best song, but I like it. It was obviously made for radio. It's really not that much different than Jump. I think it's more an issue of it's not the '80s anymore.
When I was 10, Kilroy was Here was my "The Wall" or "Tommy" . At that time I thought that album would never be surpassed. I was into the story, the songs and the whole thing. It's pretty cringey now though
1. Van Halen Tattoo Big Bad Bill Feels So Good Inside Why Can’t This Be Love? 2. Aerosmith Dude Looks Like A Lady Love In An Elevator Eat The Rich Pink Rag Doll 3. Rush Tai Shan Hand Over Fist Anagram Speed Of Love Emotion Detector
With AC/DC I always wonder, if its also an "Australian Humor" thing; as in to say perhaps the "locals" can appreciate the humor more-so than others... Really enjoy this series, keep 'em coming!
Hello everyone, just curious has there been a episode on french fusion prog rock at all? Some of the best comes from france, they were really open minded back in the day.
Styx’s Too Much Time on My Hands was also a tune that had us wondering wtf was going on.. seemed light, poppy.. too “new wave” sounding at the time.. for Styx anyway
Genesis ... the song 'Whodunnit?' ... 'WhoWroteIt?' ... 'WhyWriteIt?' ... 'WhyRecordIt?' ... 'JustWhyDoIt?' Wishbone Ash ... every single song off the terrible 'Locked In' album
Hey when you were talking about Queen those 80s queen songs and albums were huge in the UK Australia were i come from and every territory just about but except North American
The reason so many of these songs did well but were panned by critics and fans is because they sounded so different from what drew fans to the band to begin with. Many of the songs brought in new fans who in many cases didn't really enjoy the songs that got the band popular causing the "old" fans to resent the new hits. Metallica with their Black album caused this. Many more recent bands like Bring Me The Horizon or A Day To Remember have experienced this too. Edit-Pete basically said this during the Styx segment. I typed this comment during the AC/DC portion...
In Kiss’ defense they never wanted to do Kissin’ Time but were put up to it by management/label supposedly as a promo thing to send out to radio stations (hence all the “shout out’s”) they finally relented on the condition that it would’t be included on their debut which they were promised it wouldn’t.. naturally once they got what they wanted the label simply went ahead and included it cause that’s the kind of backstabbing crap labels are known to do… you can tell from the production that it doesn’t even fit with the rest of the record.. sounds like it was recorded in a garbage can.. in 5 minutes..
I hear a lot o' criticism o' the Tormato album by YES but it contains one o' my favorite songs by them-Madrigal... fantastic harpsichord played by Rick Wakeman. You mentioned Another One Bites The Dust by QUEEN as bein' open to ridicule. I highly recommend listenin' to it in reverse-it's great-and every time they sing the words Another One Bites The Dust you clearly hear..It's Fun To Smoke Marijuana!!!
Nazareth would consistently release a Heavy album followed by a Country Western type of album, another Heavy album followed by an AOR Pop album. All throughout their career it's been a Certainty
How pitiful to be as narrow minded as the younger Pardo & Popoff. I was born in '66, so I'm speaking from the same time frame as these two and I adored songs as songs; not as objects to serve a shallow and filtered world view. I never ridiculed Kiss for being dancey or gentle, or Styx for their ballads or Queen for performing rockabilly (which, by the way they had been doing via covers for years previous). The thought of ridicule would have been a puerile thought even as an 11 year old. Great songs were great songs. Style et al didn't matter. And Pardo clearly doesn't listen to Alice Cooper closely or understand that dark and heavy music is not about loudness. Only Women Bleed is about domestic violence. You and Me reeks of suburban angst. How You Gonna See Me Now is about the psychological horror of facing up to trauma and separation. Dark as fuck. Darker than any comic book horror lyrics by any number of metal bands, and far more insightful of the human condition.
And it must also be said, that the chords and melodies of the Cooper ballads are dark and moody and elegiac; thus making the songs utterly harrowing to the intelligent listener.
I guess I am narrow-minded, but yeah, I don’t like everything a certain band does. I have passion, what I love, I genuinely love and if my favorite band loses direction or tries something I hate, I admit it. I don’t have to love all forms of music. If you do, great. I am a simple metal guy, I don’t appreciate the sappy love ballads or mindless pop tunes playing on the radio. Likewise, I don’t expect everyone to understand or enjoy my favorite Slayer albums😎🤘🏻
@@Rextum But there's a difference between not liking certain genres and saying that from an artistic point of view a song is crap just because you don't like it's musical style.
Most of the 1970s Alice Cooper albums had a few Hard hitting Songs, and the rest of the material was generally show tune type stuff, that really aren't even from the Rock genre. Kind of 1920s Big band swing
Alice Cooper is all over the place with all the albums they've done. But I gotta say he/they are very good at writing and performing ballads. It's maybe not what some fans want but if I would rank all Alice Cooper tracks.. The ballads would often place higher than much else!
Alice is #2 behind Queen for me .😀 My favorite Disc from him I love every note/word of it is "From the inside "it is so heart felt .It hits me right in my very soul. I like certain songs off the so called Blackout LP's. The fact that AC is 74 is a friggin miracle 😀😇
Steely Dan "yatch rock"? Take that back, Pete! The Remembering is the only good song in Tales... Lol, it seems that Pete didn't liked Martin's assessment on STYX.
Funny how a lot of those ridiculed songs often are big hits!?! I wonder if chosing odd tracks as hits as something to do with it, or simply the fact that they stand out of the rest (and therefor their ridicule is accentuated)is BECAUSE they were hits? Do we (the die-hards fans) are more incline to ridicule the hits?Cheers.
I'm suprised that Martin skipped over the three hazy releases of Alice, Special Forces, Zipper Catches Skin and Dada. Maybe they didn't sell enought to get ridiculed. I had all three on album and enjoyed them.
@@JJKarpinski Ya, more than a few substances involed in that era I'm sure. I heard stories that he didn't even remember recording some of those albums.
Van Halen's first album had 2 cover songs. Finish What You Started isn't Bluesy. It's more a Chet Atkins Nashville Sound shuffle. Maybe even Glen Campbell. Anyway they are two different things.
I liked AC/DC's "Sink the Pink" at first, but it was that music video that turned me off with the lady in pink doing the awful dancing! I actually think the worst song off 'Ballbreaker' is "Caught With Your Pants Down." I think that's the strangest song they've ever done (and they did a song called "Big Balls").
“Do You Close Your Eyes?” would’ve been a perfect fit on the “Down to Earth” album with no changes to the song aside from Graham Bonnet replacing Ronnie James Dio on the vocals.
Radio Ga Ga is a great song live, especially when the lights go up during the chorus and you look across the field you're in and see 180,000 fans clapping along to it.
@@terryparkin6121 it’s actually about the state of British radio at the time. I suppose you have to be British to realise how crap radio was over here. It did have a great video though with scenes from the silent movie Metropolis, which Queen bought the rights to before they could use it
You know at the end of the 70s,the biggest band in the world was ELO. Not Queen or Styx or whoever.(They were asked to headline, I think the Glastonbury festival but ELO refused so they picked Led Zeppelin instead to headline.Yes I know hard to believe but true .Point being they have some pretty ridiculous songs (like the Diary of Horace Wimp ).Ack !! Would be nice to hear what you guys think of their more silly sappy songs.. Thanks
My favorite Kiss song is the cover of Then She Kissed Me, and my favorite Van Halen song is the cover of Pretty Woman. Yes, I’m 100% serious. I think both covers are flawless and they’re perfect. Then She Kissed Me is super catchy (Ace’s guitar is the MVP of the song. Just wonderful) and Pretty Woman is Van Halen-ized (I love EVH’s guitar and DLR’s vocals are on point.) Controversial, I know. But, I don’t care. I was once told that “if your favorite song by a band or singer is a cover, you’re not as big a fan as you think.” I call BS on that one. (Also, especially with Then She Kissed Me, this gets asked: I’m a 22 year old guy.) Oh, and Queen is my all-time favorite band. Crazy Little Thing Called Love is my favorite song on The Game, I love Another One Bites the Dust (though I’m so burnt out on it), Radio Ga Ga is great, I enjoy A Kind of Magic, and I enjoy The Invisible Man. p.s. I Was Made For Lovin’ You was the song that got me into Kiss. Dynasty is still my favorite Kiss album. TL;DR: I feel attacked watching this video 😂😂😂
We like what we like! Music hits us in our souls differently, age, environment you grow up in, human traits and sensitivity....many factors make up our artistic sensibilities. That said, I've noticed that I do, indeed, have the best taste in music of any human currently on this planet! 😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁
@@Jermeister12 Great album , especially the title track, and Simple Solution never gets any attention for possibly being the Heaviest and best written Metal Disco song
Billy Squier's "Rock Me Tonight." Maybe not so much the actual song, but in conjunction with that video. Wow. That was ridiculed big time back in the day. My theory is cocaine convinced everyone that prancing around like a 12 year old girl in her bedroom was a good idea.
The original pressings for the first Kiss album did not have Kissing Time. It was added later.
Pete, you're spot on with Mr. Roboto. It broke the band up in 1983 but Styx now plays it as an encore.
Mr. Roboto is my guilty pleasure
The band did not break up shaw quit for a solo career.
Styx was done when Too much time on my hands and Mr Roboto were put out. I wont listen to those 2 albums but love every album before those
I look at Owner Of A Lonely Heart and Rhythm Of Love as Yes' part two of the band, different members and attempting to modernize their sound, and I immediately liked both tunes and dig the 90215 and Big Generator albums they came from! 90215 is beautifully crafted, expertly played and filled with hooks - production is ACES! The song Rhythm Of Love is one of my all time favs - total ear candy!
Ive always lilke Rhythm..I love the intro with Jon,Trevor and Chris' vocal harmonies.
@@adamsmashups4839 yes sir - vocal beauty with those beginning harmonies! Really dig the more commercially minded YES tuneage, still features excellent playing and smart arrangements! Good music is good music, dammit! Trevor is one helluva musician - like his solo stuff as well! Good call on the harmony vocals, peace.
YesWest is YesBEST. I get why people don't like Union, but I don't get where people are coming from when they say 90125 and BiG are pop trash....Have those ppl ever heard 'Changes' or 'Hearts'?
@@Sammeep02 My two fav songs on the album! Nice mention! I have no problem with extraordinary musicians, updating their sound, going more commercial, as long as the songs are interesting, honest and continue to showcase members talents! I feel like Asia did that real well on quite a few of their albums, as well. Same for Supertramp and Genesis - got no problem with well written, hook filled, songs.
Thanks guys, a great second helping of this concept. Always entertaining when you guys are together. Can't argue with most of the choices here, but I think for some of us watching as Pete hinted, some of these songs are guilty pleasures.
Thank you guys for your opinions.
All the damn time.
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'You and Me' by Alice Cooper is one of those songs from my early teen years in the late 70s that has never left my memory, even though I never really became a huge fan or bought any of his records. I love that song.
The episode with the muppets and Alice Cooper doing "You and Me" was a great music video. (before mtv)
What about Only women bleed? A terriible Alice Cooper song?!!!!!!
@@michaelsalisbury1477 Never got into that one
Alice's YOU AND ME is melodic magic! Beautiful ballad - we were stunned that Alice could make a song so sweet and moving, it's catchy as hell and showed Cooper had a lot more range than previously thought! Nice pick! Love his I'll Never Cry, as well!
@@treff9226 Since we are discussing Alice Cooper ballads,I'm going with The Quiet Room.
Never had a problem with any Bon-era songs, but yeah, the Brian stuff in AC/DC have some cringy content, especially after Flick Of The Switch. 🤘👹🤘
I’ve always wondered and would love someone to clarify, but it seems most of back in black may have been in production before Brian joined. Post BIB it seems material really went south. If there was demos of bon singing BIB it would sell millions
@@mdlatham there was some song of off BIB with Bon singing floating around UA-cam, but it turned out to be a fake.
I like to add Aerosmith, Dude looks like a lady, Pink, Love in a elevator, annoying songs, and played to death.
Also Angle, Crazy, Amazing, Cryin', I Don't Wanna Miss A Thing, What It Takes,
Definitely
"Ballad-itis" ruined Aerosmith, and Steven Tyler doesn't wanna be cured of this dreadful disease! What an effin disappointment Aerosmith have become - huge fan of their early stuff!
I will add Janey has a gun
Everything after Draw the Line was embarrassing.
‘Jump’ was surely the most ridiculed Van Halen tune! 🎸👍🏼
Hell yeah !! It was .
Hated JUMP the first time I heard it....the second time I heard it I loved it and have ever since! Eddie on keyboards......NO No no...well. uh......maybe .....YES! Eddie just can do no wrong - he simply knows melody!
I dunno. I know they just glossed over 3, but even among the clunkers on that album, “How Many Say I?” was a punchline right from the first day the album came out - I remember hopping on the message boards to discuss that album after my first couple times listening to it and half the threads were making fun of that song and Eddie’s awful singing voice. I’ve met a few fans who claim to like it in a “so bad it’s good” way, but I’ve never met anyone who thinks that’s a genuinely good song, or that Eddie singing lead was a smart idea.
@19:35 - Circus of Heaven is bad alright, but I will never forget listening to Tormato for the first time with my best friend who loved stuff like Funkadelic and Brothers Johnson - I put on side 2 and didn’t make it past a single verse of Arriving UFO before my friend burst out laughing. He knew I loved Yes, and I was so embarrassed 😂
Styx - Mr. Roboto brought shame to me and my whole existence and I've never recovered and don't deserve to......
Somebody mentioned “ don’t sit on the plexiglass toilet. Took a listen to it…wow, what a terrible song. Now the song is stuck in my head. What am I gonna do!
Status Quo would get their fair share of ridicule having so many cover songs as singles choices, like Nazareth they’re a band that went from being decently heavy rocking to safe housewife pop by the early/mid-80s. I mean, “Marguerita Time“ or “In The Army Now” were quite ridiculed by older fans. I do remember though, buying the former single so at the time I wasn’t too bothered by it but thought that by ITAN they’d lost the plot.
I'll be the first to admit, I find "And Then She Kissed Me" somewhat charming.
Queen, “Don’t Try Suicide” was far more ridiculed than AOBTD or Crazy. Lyrics like “don’t try suicide, you’re just gonna hate it” are pretty lol.
Chicago could have definitely made your list. They went from a hard rockin band to sappy ballad crooners
Motley Crue - Home Suite Home
Survival - I off Tygers
Black Sabbath - Lord of the Thighs
Aerosmith - Faeries Ware Boots
Nazareth - Woke Up this Morning
Guns and Rosa's - Smells Like Tean Spearit
Nirvana - My Rachelle
Bon Scott - Living on a Prayer
Metal Church - Way Kool JR
Rat - Data Witch Poverty
Bruce Springsteen - Cum On Feal Da Noyes
I loved clones. Still do.I had it on 45.
Here's one I didn't think of last time: Jeff Beck, Hi Ho Silver Lining. But I quite like it.
There's go Martin listing all of my favourite Rainbow songs (and I love Blackmore's Night too...).
I bought AC/DC's Powerage brand new and didn't know anyone that ridiculed Rock and Rock Damnation, because we knew they were just trying to get some Radio play in America and the rest of the album was great(maybe their best Bon era album after let there be rock). but I agree with the Brian Johnson era lyrics because as much as he tries he's no Bon Scott when writing lyrics
Bon was a unique writer
Haven’t seen the video yet, but is there anything wrong with RnR Damnation?? 😕
Yes: The Time and a Word album got some ridicule for the strings added. Although it is a great song, Yours is No Disgrace got some good natured ridicule for its opening Bonanza riff. Heaven & Earth has been scorned.
Another great show. Interesting how a bands most ridiculed songs can often be their biggest hits. And I confess. When I was 7yrs old I got my first KISS album, Love Gun. And to this day, I still really like And Then She Kissed Me.
16:32 "Finish What Ya Started" is more of "VH goes country" than bluesy. Wikipedia quotes a review that says it could dominate country radio. Note the clean guitar tone and the solo/break, which hints at the chicken-pickin' technique. Edit: in the music video, during the solo, Ed wears a cowboy hat, boots, and a plaid shirt. The ladies also wear cowboy hats and have pistols.
I remember the first time I heard Radio Ga Ga.It had just been released as a single and I happened to have the local rock station on.The DJ mentioned something about a brand new song from Queen.
I immediately fell in love with it.
I listened to it at least 3 more times that same day.Queen were already my favorite band and had been since 1980.Radio Ga Ga immediately became my #1 favorite song by any one,and remained so until I heard Innuedno,seven years later.
Oh,and I love A Kind of Magic.Though I prefer the original Highlander version.I want it played at my funeral.
I had the opposite reaction. Loved Queen in the 70s, was appalled by Another One Bites the Dust, and stopped listening to new Queen music when I heard Radio Gaga. They lost their way, IMHO.
Mr Roboto is a guilty pleasure…catchy and kitschy and fun.
I'd have to say KISS "Great Expectations" is far worse than any of the songs Pete mentioned.
I am a huge KISS fan. That song to me is...yeah, that's a skip on the LP for me.
Great Expectations and Odyssey are for me the two worst turds in their career
Martin, I've noticed in the last 2 or 3 episodes that you're somehow lower in the mix and it's sometimes hard to hear what you're saying. Now, I know I'm not getting any younger and my ears have been damaged by years and years of loud music, but so are probably most of the people listening to this podcast. Just sayin'... :-) Great show! Cheers!
He needs to stay close to his microphone or he cuts out -adjustment needed? He's great, though and we want to hear every word! Pete rules, as well, great channel!
Kiss didnt want that song on their first album. It had something to do with some contest and the record company stuck it on there. I cant remember the story now.
"Powerage".....sounds like a good choice for Album of the Day. Thanks, guys.
Oh, and it's kind of chilly down here in S. Florida too. It took until mid-afternoon before my AC kicked on :-)
Greetings from the Valley of the Sun...enjoy that humidity!
@@jeffaudrain2753 Thanks! Enjoy that flaky skin and perpetually chapped lips....not to mention your freezing cold nights! ;-)
Tangentially related: I'm enjoying my newly arrived copy of Martin's BOC book, Agents of Fortune. A fantastic read. Thanks, Martin!
I just finished reading that book. Very good
I think Queen gets a pass on a lot of that early stuff, not because everyone assumed they were geniuses and understood what they were doing, but because they were so clearly camp. Freddie Mercury was always a Broadway songwriter at heart; his rock songs are pastiche, like everything else he did.
Retrospectively, I think people enjoy those ridiculous Styx tracks for the same reason. "Mr Roboto" is an extremely silly track, but at the distance of 40 years it's easier to appreciate as (probably unintentional) camp.
I agree. For example, ‘Lazing on a Sunday Afternoon’ and ‘Good Old Fashioned Lover Boy’ are Freddie Mercury revelling in his genteel Noel Coward type fantasies/pastiches.
Yeah, even when Queen went disco, I don't think they were ridiculed. The rock fans like me simply went - 'Oh, they're trying disco now and, you know what? - 'Another One Bites the Dust' is pretty good disco.'
Even for some of the other choices, I don't think 'ridicule' is the right word - 'disappointment at the change in direction' is more apt.
Good points. Broadway tunes, or Opera... aren't 'camp' by definition. Obviously any music form has camp potential, intentional or not. To my ears, the camp-potential increases within the parameters of the Rock music genre. Classic"Cheese' like the Styx material you sighted- *Paradise Theater'...lotta cheese. ( I liked Pieces Of Eight in Junior High-...then Zepp, J Beck,Zappa, Mahavishnu, Who...all that took over..
I did have Comps to a STYX Reunion show 20 years ago- . And..? They wete great! Lotta fun. was Playing a jam last week. Saudi Arabian hand drummer ( incredible) LOVES Mr. Roboto!I couldn't talk him out of it either. We had a laugh.
So, who knows.
The WHO? Pete Solo stuff? Loaded with Broadway style Tin Pan Alley - Guitar & Pem..Music Must Change, WHO STE YOU- the verses are classic Broadway' crescendo.. composition ( not just Tommy) Who by Numbers- Who are You , Quad.. Zero cheese, no pastiche. Ask we know, Just genius world- changing music that still stands up & fllls Stadiums 50 yrs later.
I agree with you in Queen . F.. ng superb other planet band, no doubt. Plus 4 albums that, to me are barely listenable- a couple quickly out of print . ( Pains me to write that..)
Lots of reasons for that. Freddie did some beautiful ballads and explored the Broadway- Tim Pan Alley side of his creativty while bathing AUDS.
Mercury - How incredible was this guy?
Talent, discipline, dedication and .. charisma. Obviously May, great rythm section- paid their dues- Beatles like curiosity and intelligence..
Sorry! It's late. Stating the obvious.
I liked your post.
Really like these 2 guys music talk!
Read his RUSH books. Really well done.
Thanks!
@@kenl2091 I won't lie .I was devastated by Hotspace .And a little less devastated by the following output by Queen .😀😀
Billy Squier's' "Rock Me Tonight" comes to mind.
The song is fine, it’s the video that is ridiculed
@@kevinm5957 exactly
OMG YES !!!🤣
Sink the pink isn't about snooker?
yes, yes it is.
Just thoughts... Kissin Time was not on the initial release of the first KISS LP ... one of those GFR tracks mentioned was a vocal warm up for the band and when Rundgren heard them doing it said they should record it, I can't be bothered to seek out the Farner interview I heard that story from might be the one he did with Joe B .. and my copy of Hair of the Dog does not have Love Hurts ,, here in Canada it was a stand alone single....released here in late 1974 and went to #1 .. we got another cover "Guilty" by Randy Newman .. and the Yanks got Love Hurts ,,, both have those signature tortured McCafferty vocal treatment
For Queen I liked Body Language, although I see your point. On that album I however never got into Las Palabras del Amor (too shitty for me). Same for Styx too, in the days I did not like it but the song Babe has grown and now I think it's a good one, but it did the group no good (although commercially it did).
Couldn't agree more with regards the AC/DC choices Martin made. I seem to recall that he's a fan of the post-Bon era, whereas I'm not. Bon Scott wrote a kind of street poetry, tales of the rock n' roll life. He lived the life, it was real. Brian Johnson is an absolutely brilliant bloke from the north of England with working class roots and a decent voice. His lyrics, however, are like the single entendre one liners that you'd hear back in the day from some sweaty, overweight comic with a tab in the corner of his mouth from the stage of a grimy working men's club.
I can't imagine Brian writing the line "with a hole in his body, where his life had been".
Absolutely, I think you have nailed it in terms of why I much prefer the Bon Scott era.
Let's Put The X In Sex is easily one of Kiss most cheesy songs. I've heard it get plenty of ridicule over the years.
KISS - Creatures of the Night, and Lick it Up were Really Heavy Metal, but the rest of their 1980s albums were the reason you can't find them on Metal Archives, silly Bubblegum Butt Rock Sugary Pop Music from Animalize up until Psyche Circus
"Flush The Fashion" is a cool record!
Great, catchy album! Alice goes new wave - and it works!
Never read the lyrics to sink the pink but assumed those were the lyrics but always hoped they weren’t.
I love topographic oceans I have it on CD and sometimes I play it 2 or 3 times in a row love ❤️ it
I don't like Song #1 but the other 3 songs are not bad.😀
Oh I get the concept and your points of contention with previous viewers from last week, including myself, BUT, my point was that I don't ever recall anyone ever dissing on Zepp's The Crunge back in the day. Perhaps some duffus from Rolling Stone mag.made a disparaging comment about the track, but friends and fellow musicians never ridiculed The Crunge on it's initial release. That's my "point" Peter. Cheers.
I first heard Styx with Mr. Roboto and the songs from that era. So I thought they were a pop-rock band that sang mostly ballads (Babe, etc.). Only much later I found out they were actually a great rock-prog band.
Kiss-Then She Kissed Me and Great Expectations.
I got off the Kiss Train after
Alive II
Winger - 17. Coverdale/Page- Feeling Hot. Judas Priest - Lochness.
Coverdale is cringe whenever he has the sexual suggestive lyrics. “Slide it in, right to the top, I ain’t never gonna stop, I’m gonna slide it in. Slide it in!”
You two doing an annoyed duet of
"Invisible Man" is the funniest thing I've seen on this channel.
Music Time is the most ridiculous Styx track.
Queen's "Another one bites the dust" made me think of "Another one rides the bus" by Weird Al and the idea for an episode about songs that were parodied.
Remember Chuck Berry's - My Ding A Ling?
Or Debbie Harry's - French Kissing in the USA?
Always thought Do You Close Your Eyes had some clever lyrics. Who would have ever thought that title would pertain to having sex. I always loved the music to that song, it was like a premonition to my favorite Dio song Mystery
Never understood the dislike of VH's "Tattoo". I think it's great. If this had come out in 1985 it would have been a huge hit. Great album and a great song. And a great show , as always. Thank you gentlemen.
I agree. It's not their best song, but I like it. It was obviously made for radio. It's really not that much different than Jump. I think it's more an issue of it's not the '80s anymore.
Grand Funk Railroad - Some Kind of Wonderful might be the most annoyingly Happy song ever written
No that was Locomotion. Absolutely hated that suck ass song.
When I was 10, Kilroy was Here was my "The Wall" or "Tommy" . At that time I thought that album would never be surpassed. I was into the story, the songs and the whole thing. It's pretty cringey now though
The YT channel "Todd in the Shadows" has a good episode where he rips on that album
1. Van Halen
Tattoo
Big Bad Bill
Feels So Good
Inside
Why Can’t This Be Love?
2. Aerosmith
Dude Looks Like A Lady
Love In An Elevator
Eat The Rich
Pink
Rag Doll
3. Rush
Tai Shan
Hand Over Fist
Anagram
Speed Of Love
Emotion Detector
I know Tull's "Bungle in the Jungle" and "Too Old To Rock and Roll" are as lame as they come, in spite of them being popular. And I'm a big Tull fan.
With AC/DC I always wonder, if its also an "Australian Humor" thing; as in to say perhaps the "locals" can appreciate the humor more-so than others...
Really enjoy this series, keep 'em coming!
If you are talking about the Bon era, then yes. The Brian era is more an "English humour" thing. Bon and Brian generally wrote the lyrics.
@@The1nsane1 Brian obviously doesn't appreciate the big fat gals like Bon did
You are spot on mate. It is also a situation of having to be there at the time in 🇦🇺
AC DC are scottish
And just for you Pete, Kiss just released a new acoustic version of Beth.
Kiss should do an album of metal versions of all their ballads.
Hello everyone, just curious has there been a episode on french fusion prog rock at all? Some of the best comes from france, they were really open minded back in the day.
Mr Roboto was made hip by Arrested Development and the VW ad.
Rush I think I'm going bald
Gino vannelli Mama Coco
Rolling Stones you got me rocking
Styx’s Too Much Time on My Hands was also a tune that had us wondering wtf was going on.. seemed light, poppy.. too “new wave” sounding at the time.. for Styx anyway
Wow Martin- I would hardly call "Gimme The Prize", "Princes Of The Universe" or "Don't Lose Your Head" yacht rock for housewives...... smh
I love the first two. Not so much don’t lose your head. But, that’s my favorite Queen album, I’m guessing not many people would say that.
I love that record .Absolutly !!! 😀
Genesis ... the song 'Whodunnit?' ... 'WhoWroteIt?' ... 'WhyWriteIt?' ... 'WhyRecordIt?' ... 'JustWhyDoIt?'
Wishbone Ash ... every single song off the terrible 'Locked In' album
Hey when you were talking about Queen those 80s queen songs and albums were huge in the UK Australia were i come from and every territory just about but except North American
The reason so many of these songs did well but were panned by critics and fans is because they sounded so different from what drew fans to the band to begin with. Many of the songs brought in new fans who in many cases didn't really enjoy the songs that got the band popular causing the "old" fans to resent the new hits. Metallica with their Black album caused this. Many more recent bands like Bring Me The Horizon or A Day To Remember have experienced this too.
Edit-Pete basically said this during the Styx segment. I typed this comment during the AC/DC portion...
I like Mr. Roboto but yes it got really ridiculed
In Kiss’ defense they never wanted to do Kissin’ Time but were put up to it by management/label supposedly as a promo thing to send out to radio stations (hence all the “shout out’s”) they finally relented on the condition that it would’t be included on their debut which they were promised it wouldn’t.. naturally once they got what they wanted the label simply went ahead and included it cause that’s the kind of backstabbing crap labels are known to do… you can tell from the production that it doesn’t even fit with the rest of the record.. sounds like it was recorded in a garbage can.. in 5 minutes..
Definitive remake of "We've Gotta Get Out of This Place"? Jello Biafra and D.O.A. :)
I'm in love with my car... even the movie ridicules it!
I thought that song ruined a great album.
i watch these for your guys' singing
A kind of magic was more of a soundtrack to Highlander movie
Hell yeah !! And the TV show also.😀😀
I hear a lot o' criticism o' the Tormato album by YES but it contains one o' my favorite songs by them-Madrigal... fantastic harpsichord played by Rick Wakeman. You mentioned Another One Bites The Dust by QUEEN as bein' open to ridicule. I highly recommend listenin' to it in reverse-it's great-and every time they sing the words Another One Bites The Dust you clearly hear..It's Fun To Smoke Marijuana!!!
Nazareth would consistently release a Heavy album followed by a Country Western type of album, another Heavy album followed by an AOR Pop album. All throughout their career it's been a Certainty
How pitiful to be as narrow minded as the younger Pardo & Popoff. I was born in '66, so I'm speaking from the same time frame as these two and I adored songs as songs; not as objects to serve a shallow and filtered world view.
I never ridiculed Kiss for being dancey or gentle, or Styx for their ballads or Queen for performing rockabilly (which, by the way they had been doing via covers for years previous). The thought of ridicule would have been a puerile thought even as an 11 year old.
Great songs were great songs. Style et al didn't matter.
And Pardo clearly doesn't listen to Alice Cooper closely or understand that dark and heavy music is not about loudness.
Only Women Bleed is about domestic violence. You and Me reeks of suburban angst. How You Gonna See Me Now is about the psychological horror of facing up to trauma and separation.
Dark as fuck. Darker than any comic book horror lyrics by any number of metal bands, and far more insightful of the human condition.
And it must also be said, that the chords and melodies of the Cooper ballads are dark and moody and elegiac; thus making the songs utterly harrowing to the intelligent listener.
This comment drips with artogance.
*arrogance.
I guess I am narrow-minded, but yeah, I don’t like everything a certain band does. I have passion, what I love, I genuinely love and if my favorite band loses direction or tries something I hate, I admit it. I don’t have to love all forms of music. If you do, great. I am a simple metal guy, I don’t appreciate the sappy love ballads or mindless pop tunes playing on the radio. Likewise, I don’t expect everyone to understand or enjoy my favorite Slayer albums😎🤘🏻
@@Rextum But there's a difference between not liking certain genres and saying that from an artistic point of view a song is crap just because you don't like it's musical style.
i think "the ancient" is the one that couldve been removed from topographic oceans.
i dont enjoy any sections of that song.
Bent Out Of Shape - Fantastic album.
Van Halen : Happy Trails
Yes: Don't Kill the Whale
KILLER TRACK
Not too surprised to see Styx here. Kind of get it for some of their ballads, but I'll always love Come Sail Away.
genius tune
Most of the 1970s Alice Cooper albums had a few Hard hitting Songs, and the rest of the material was generally show tune type stuff, that really aren't even from the Rock genre. Kind of 1920s Big band swing
How about Billy Squire "Rock Me Tonight"?
Alice Cooper is all over the place with all the albums they've done. But I gotta say he/they are very good at writing and performing ballads. It's maybe not what some fans want but if I would rank all Alice Cooper tracks.. The ballads would often place higher than much else!
Alice is #2 behind Queen for me .😀
My favorite Disc from him I love every note/word of it is "From the inside "it is so heart felt .It hits me right in my very soul.
I like certain songs off the so called Blackout LP's.
The fact that AC is 74 is a friggin miracle 😀😇
Steely Dan "yatch rock"?
Take that back, Pete!
The Remembering is the only good song in Tales...
Lol, it seems that Pete didn't liked Martin's assessment on STYX.
Funny how a lot of those ridiculed songs often are big hits!?! I wonder if chosing odd tracks as hits as something to do with it, or simply the fact that they stand out of the rest (and therefor their ridicule is accentuated)is BECAUSE they were hits? Do we (the die-hards fans) are more incline to ridicule the hits?Cheers.
I'm suprised that Martin skipped over the three hazy releases of Alice, Special Forces, Zipper Catches Skin and Dada.
Maybe they didn't sell enought to get ridiculed. I had all three on album and enjoyed them.
I meant to mention that - no individual songs highly noted for ridicule.
Alice's crack era!. I like Special Forces though.
@@MartinPopoff Point taken, true enough.
@@JJKarpinski Ya, more than a few substances involed in that era I'm sure. I heard stories that he didn't even remember recording some of those albums.
@@-suphur You're right .And you want to know what .I take that into account when I listen to them 1000 %.I never forget his struggles 😬That's why .
Van Halen's first album had 2 cover songs. Finish What You Started isn't Bluesy. It's more a Chet Atkins Nashville Sound shuffle. Maybe even Glen Campbell. Anyway they are two different things.
That cover of we gotta get out of this place by grand funk is awesome, way heavier than the original
I liked AC/DC's "Sink the Pink" at first, but it was that music video that turned me off with the lady in pink doing the awful dancing! I actually think the worst song off 'Ballbreaker' is "Caught With Your Pants Down." I think that's the strangest song they've ever done (and they did a song called "Big Balls").
Kilroy is a great album i think
No one ever needs to cover Dancing in the Streets. It was a boring song from anyone
Still the best cover version of it, I think.
“Do You Close Your Eyes?” would’ve been a perfect fit on the “Down to Earth” album with no changes to the song aside from Graham Bonnet replacing Ronnie James Dio on the vocals.
Radio Ga Ga is a great song live, especially when the lights go up during the chorus and you look across the field you're in and see 180,000 fans clapping along to it.
Omg sorry,but the words to that song are complete kiddy crap.Even if 1 million people are clapping along to it. ..
@@terryparkin6121 it’s actually about the state of British radio at the time. I suppose you have to be British to realise how crap radio was over here. It did have a great video though with scenes from the silent movie Metropolis, which Queen bought the rights to before they could use it
You know at the end of the 70s,the biggest band in the world was ELO. Not Queen or Styx or whoever.(They were asked to headline, I think the Glastonbury festival but ELO refused so they picked Led Zeppelin instead to headline.Yes I know hard to believe but true .Point being they have some pretty ridiculous songs (like the Diary of Horace Wimp ).Ack !! Would be nice to hear what you guys think of their more silly sappy songs.. Thanks
Horace is a bit silly,but a great tune all the same!
My favorite Kiss song is the cover of Then She Kissed Me, and my favorite Van Halen song is the cover of Pretty Woman.
Yes, I’m 100% serious. I think both covers are flawless and they’re perfect. Then She Kissed Me is super catchy (Ace’s guitar is the MVP of the song. Just wonderful) and Pretty Woman is Van Halen-ized (I love EVH’s guitar and DLR’s vocals are on point.) Controversial, I know. But, I don’t care.
I was once told that “if your favorite song by a band or singer is a cover, you’re not as big a fan as you think.” I call BS on that one.
(Also, especially with Then She Kissed Me, this gets asked: I’m a 22 year old guy.)
Oh, and Queen is my all-time favorite band. Crazy Little Thing Called Love is my favorite song on The Game, I love Another One Bites the Dust (though I’m so burnt out on it), Radio Ga Ga is great, I enjoy A Kind of Magic, and I enjoy The Invisible Man.
p.s. I Was Made For Lovin’ You was the song that got me into Kiss. Dynasty is still my favorite Kiss album.
TL;DR: I feel attacked watching this video 😂😂😂
We like what we like! Music hits us in our souls differently, age, environment you grow up in, human traits and sensitivity....many factors make up our artistic sensibilities. That said, I've noticed that I do, indeed, have the best taste in music of any human currently on this planet! 😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁
Kissing time was added after first pressing because they did a kissing competition for promotion
Ice Cream Man was a definite early ridiculed Van Halen song
Hey ‘Stoop’, is the cleanest, most catchiest album he and ‘CO’ have penned.
Hurricane Years 🌍🌟
I'll throw in most songs by the Collins led era of Genesis and his solo work, which were ridiculed by me at least!
No Mean City and Malice in Wonderland were Night and Day . Beggars Day was a cover song
I love "No Mean City" 😀😀It rocks!!!
@@Jermeister12 Great album , especially the title track, and Simple Solution never gets any attention for possibly being the Heaviest and best written Metal Disco song
Billy Squier's "Rock Me Tonight." Maybe not so much the actual song, but in conjunction with that video. Wow. That was ridiculed big time back in the day. My theory is cocaine convinced everyone that prancing around like a 12 year old girl in her bedroom was a good idea.
You have an international audience. No one cares about the weather.