Generac 7209 200A Automatic-Transfer Switch Part 2 (of 2) | Osterville, Cape Cod
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- Опубліковано 11 лис 2023
- This is part 2 of a video series on generator installation in Cape Cod, Massachusetts. The focus of this video is on installing the service rated whole house automatic transfer switch. The process involves connecting three sources of wires and conductors: the main utility supply, the generator, and the wiring to the electrical panel. The importance of proper grounding and bonding in electrical work is emphasized, as improper connections can lead to dangerous situations. The video also discusses the requirements for a 200 amp emergency disconnect and the need for a licensed electrician to perform this type of installation. The process of installing the transfer switch, connecting the wires, and testing the system is shown in detail.
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Your instructions and attention to detail are evidence of how professional you are and are much appreciated. I always learn something from your videos.
It's always a pleasure to watch a real master ply his trade. Many thanks, Electrician Ron!
Heck yea dude! Great video! I love these rough-in/install videos you do! Would love to see some troubleshoot videos too if you can!
Great Video. Nice Job. It looks beautiful installed. Thank you for sharing
Nice table...ha...I hit 50 yrs or so..I started to use -- and still use a wood tv tray - table all the time. Forget all this bending over all day. Table is one of the best tools I have.
I didn't even have my van with me for the trip and actually saw this table collecting dust in the basement.
I saw your field set up in another video.@@electricalron
It’s great to have people like you doing this and sharing your thoughts , experiences , knowledge.! I really learn a lot from this video .! Muchas gracias 🙏🏽
I really like your attention to grounds and bonding and getting the separated grounds moved in the service box!
Hey Ron I always enjoy your videos, That was a super nice job as always. Very professionally done.
Top Notch work as always. Thank you for sharing.... This was a big project
Nice job Ron. Looks great...
electrician Ron. YOU ARE THE MAN
Thank you.
Great job Ron.
Thanks Bob!
Great videos. Much respect one Electrician to another . God bless you
That’s very nice of you. Thanks.
I like you bro. I like that you want to leave your work like “it’s always been like that” like @ 13:10. Respect.
Great Video, Last year I set my house up to back feed via a inlet box, during an outage, I didn’t know till later to I had convert my Generator to floating neutral, because you can only have 1 bonded neutral at the main panel, glad nothing happened.
Great stuff Ron. Interested to see you started in the Seabees. I have a similar original military engineering provenance ! (UK) Electrical Engineer now, but always a sparky at heart!
I really enjoy watching you do clean tidy looking work. I need some electrical work at this time, but you’re a long ways away. I’m in MT.
Thanks 👍
I like your saying, “better to be a mile too long than an inch short!”
Thanks John!
beautiful
Wow…April 2021? Nice job Ron. I figured he was either a friend or family for you to make the trip 👍👍
Looks exactly like my 150A transfer switch. Curious what the new wires are for. Ecobee is now a part of Generac so I’m guessing it’s going to tie the wifi thermostat in with the generator. Their alarm system and new doorbell camera are all tied into the thermostat as a central hub. Interesting…
I did not know you must de-bond the neutral and ground at the former main panel. I installed a manual transfer switch myself some years back, and I never made that change, but I did remove a second earth ground I originally installed that was connected to the generator chassis.
-Thanks for sparing us the 2,000,000,001st time hearing that song! (And YT will cry a copyright river)-
Yes, it's essentially a subpanel now, and the transfer is the main.
If you dont remove the main bonding jumper the 4-wire is essentially useless since the bond between neutral and ground is still present at the distribution panel. This bond creates a parallel path for fault current to clear a fault. This'll take much longer to clear a fault because of the multiple paths back to the source.
@@electricalron Now I understand, Thank you!
Hello Ron met your cousin in doctor's office 11 ralph place Staten island allergy doctor I am retired nyc electrician for fire dept😊 you do good work😊 she a nurse had fusion in her neck forgot her name she see me with cane I had back operation the trade good but in years hurts your back and knees😢
awesome
That was a great video. But do you have a video of the Generator turning on. Was you able to simulate a power loss?
Could you explain more about why you wouldn’t have to bond in an emergency disconnect vs when you do in an emergency disconnect/service disconnect? Just confused on the theory on that and how it’s different? I assume it’s because the neutral is continuous thought the emergency disconnect and is then bonded to the grounds in the main panel service disconnect
I know this is not the finished video (no start up yet) so just my opinion after working at a large dealer near 25 years. Video is straight and to the point, over all. Personally, I like to see getting the utility power back on ASAP, and then playing with gen connections. I also like to see all wire entry to the TS from the bottom, so mounting the TS next to the meter at eye height. (above the snow line) Yeah, some wires are exposed, but I have chased WAY too many water leaks (and replacement contactors) over the years. Speaking of water leaks, caulk 3 sides of the cabinet to the house. (bottom open just in case) If you disconnect the white plug on the load shed module, it kills the power on all the small wires, even if the utility is present. (no buzzed fingers while wiring) It will also prevent transfer if the gen set starts. (don't forget to put the plug back in when done) BTW, I retired just as that new gen cable came out so have never used it. Looks like a great time saver.
I did a blade of exterior rated duct seal along the top of the ATS.
@@electricalron How did you seal the holes into the house as they did not look accessible from inside?
@@jaycahow4667 duct seal.
Per code you don’t need any plastic bushings on the ser connector?
How much mark up do you see as acceptable? Nice work BTW.
quick question I have a 200 amp meter combo panel that has 4 spaces, that are all full but 1. Can I run a 200amp sub panel off of that? I'm trying to run another 100 amp sub to a shop off of the 200 amp sub(welding shop) is this possible.
Thanks for the videos.
That orange level is awesome ask the guy who stole mine!
Hey Ron. Not entirely related to this video, but got myself in a situation yesterday where I was trying to wrestle 4/0 SER through an LB (from a service disconnect into a panel) and ultimately had to strip the sheathing from the SER in the LB and feed the wires to the disconnect one by one. I’ve seen you bend SEU through LBs but haven’t caught a video of you doing it with SER. Have you? Any insight on NJ inspectors seeing unsheathed SER coming into the disconnect?
What kind of "allen" wrench were you using for the lugs on the panels? I enjoy your videos btw. Good stuff!
T Handle hex head by Klein tools.
So do you now have two sub panels?? Your first panel is.still your main panel., wouldn’t you have taken out that main breaker since genset panel has disconnect in it?
can you show one with solar panel.
Awesome work Ron. Why did you not white tape the neutral between the panel to the TX Switch? This video was much appreciated. I'm thinking of adding a very similar system soon.
It has a white stripe on the conductor.
@@electricalron I didn't notice... sorry, I was multitasking. Thanks for the clarification. Please keep the videos coming!
Really enjoyed but why didn't you film a generator test? When our generac generator was placed our installers did a separate conduit from generator to transfer switch for the control wires and then another conduit for power. I liked the cable you used that had everything in one.
Originally NEC (and Generac) called for separate conduit for line voltage and low voltage wiring. This cable is UL approved for all of them to be within a single jacket. One of the issues that happened early on (pre 1995?) was induced voltage over a long run, which confused the gen's circuit board when using the optional 2 wire start. (dry contacts)
Actually, Generac did not require separate conduit runs for both the signaling conductors and the feeders as long as the insulation for the signaling conductors had the same voltage rating as the feeders. This does not apply to Kholer generators that do require separate conduits/ raceways. Good question!
@@electricalron early units had 2 wire start option. (GTS switch or Asco) I only ever saw stray voltage on long runs of say 100 feet. The 240 in the same conduit with the dry contacts (193 / 78?) would show up as 25 volts AC as an induced voltage and not allow the unto to shut down when that contact opened. What transpired was the cool down cycle, then a shutdown, with immediate transfer as the voltage faded away. IOW, light went dim then BANG back to utility. 23 and 194 are 12 volts DC so they had no problem.... but those are not used with a GTS or Asco TS. Generac seemed to solve all of those problems in the newer control boards circa Y2K and the introduction of the combination TS with breaker subpanel built in. All of a sudden everything was in the same BX whip.
You’re working in cape cod now??? Work drying up in jersey??
When you’re converting a main panel to a subpanel as in this case, how do you deal with dryer and stove wiring if it happens to be the older three wire setup?
If it’s 3-wire then it’s an equipment grounding conductor, not a neutral.
@@electricalron actually it’s both on a three wire, but it was only allowed if it originated at the main service panel where the neutral was bonded.
I was about ready to comment on the main bonding jumper, Ron, just a few seconds before you took it out. Well done. I don't know if Jersey inspectors are looking at this yet, but some want to know that you carry a torque wrench and a torque screw driver and that you torque your terminations to Manufacturers specs. I am sure you you went back and did that off camera,lol. Very easy to do when you work for yourself! Great video, Thanks, Russ, Electrician from Oregon.
Good job Ron, Question Ron, not trying to be a smart alec. But would 2020 or 2023 allow you to use a trough or rectangle wireway to run the service entrance through line and load, and also run generator supply to the transfer switch, through conduits to the trough, to keep the work height higher, so the transfer switch isn't so low to the ground.
Service conductors are not permitted to be run with non-service entrance conductors in the same conduit or conduit body like a wiring trough. NEC 230.7
Okay.
Great video! Thank you Let's see the startup of the generator. You were in the U.S. Navy? I was a IC2/Diver out of San Diego and Japan back in 1980's.
I was in the Seabees. FH 15 Operation Desert Storm.
I worked in Oman as an Electrical supervisor, it was OK by then.
I would be concerned about a transfer cabinet so low to the ground in the north. We can easily get a foot or so of snow and I'd think it would accumulate against the case.
It’s an outdoor rated enclosure.
nice work as always.if you don't mind me asking,just 'how expensive' is that generac 'special' cable?
it's in the neighborhood of $10 a foot but gets cheaper as the quantity goes up. The price also varies based on the wire gage. (generator size) It is rated for direct burial, so you save on conduit and labor.
I paid less than five-dollar per foot. The total run was 80' and it was long by about 10' in the end.
@@electricalron the web site I checked just gave the base price and said cost went down with quantity. They did not give the numbers for say 100 foot rolls. I see it's available in Al or Cu, at about $2 a foot difference. I am leary of the fact that they claim one wire size fits 17 - 24 Kw. Last I looked #3 isn't rated for 100 amps on a long run. (100 ft?) 90 amps I would buy but 100 amps is a stretch with voltage drop.
Hi Ron! Really enjoy your videos. When I was a cable tv service tech I went to a house one night that had lost their neutral and it was pulling current through the shield on the cable drop. Not pretty. I immediately told them they needed to get an electrician out there to find out what the problem was. The splitter was hot to the touch. Be safe out there!
Where is the finally check??? 😅😂 We didn’t see if the ATS is working.
You must have great rep for someone up in Cape Cod to commission you to drive 5+ hours north through three states! Hefty trip charge, I imagine, with a night at a hotel? Maybe double it as a small vacation in Cape Cod?
Sal used to be my main mechanic. He took care of my vans maintenance for many years and I have no problem traveling to do this work for my friend.
@@electricalron That's great, nothing better than the barter system. With him being a mechanic he'll know how to maintain that Generac no problem.
How do you find a reputable local electrician, I’m in a major city.
Ask your friends or neighbors. Seriously. A referral is like gold because most of the time a friend won’t recommend someone or something that wasn’t a good experience for them. Just my opinion.
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Hey Ron, aren't you mounting the transfer switch too close to the ground, how about when you get high snow buildups. I know you know the codes, to me it looks really close to the ground
Tony, I was reading through the comments itching to make the same one! We cannot get away with that height here in Texas, but when visiting my folks in Western NY I definitely notice they will put meters at 4 feet, while our standard height is 5.5 feet. I know NEC calls for 4 to 6 feet from grade to meter midline and I’m ashamed to admit I never look at shorter options….always taller. Thanks to Harvey, we now have more situations where we have platforms built than even thinking about going lower to the ground.
Great video Ron but any answers you can give on height, I’d love to hear. I really liked the first part of this and will comment on it from a gas standpoint. Just wish a craftsman of your caliber would go Cummins for your units!
Hey Brian, thanks for your comment. Yeah that transfer switch box is really too low to the ground. I would have went to the right, mount the TB high and do long radius service conduit At lease it would keep the snow and low grade moisture out. I have no problem with Ron he is a dam good Electrician and knows his trade.
I understand why he just replaced the service disconnect. It makes sense. I guess my question also applies to the placement of the original service disconnect . To me, it appears there is room at meter height to the right BUT you would then have a terrible looking spot where the original disconnect was.
Is this something you “Yankees” can get away with on the East Coast? I like all my work to be at standing level but maybe that’s just because I am used to it…
Isn't the ATS box going to get covered in snow mounted so low? Those boxes are not sealed at all.
That box is a Nema 3 enclosure.
Thanks, Ron. I enjoy your channel very much. Very interesting and educational. I've seen a few of the outside transfer switches in our area (northern MA) with corrosion and mud dauber nests, so installed mine in the basement to try to avoid that..@@electricalron
Don’t they make a tool to cut these holes, instead of using hole drill? 9:47
Hello Ron, I think I have missed the last few videos. Do you have to be licensed in each state you work? I would have thought you would stay in New Jersey or maybe sometimes in New York.
Not too low to the ground??
NEC doesn't have a minimum height but does hint at 4 feet. I would also imagine local code might suggest "above the snow" if you follow my drift. (pun intended)
This a Nema 3 (or 4) enclosure.
@@rupe53 yes that probably would not pass in my area.
@@electricalron yes, it's rain rated, (NEMA 3R?) but any top penetrations makes me worry.
Meyers hub @@rupe53
New drinking game….take a drink every time time he asks us to like and subscribe and also every time like and subscribe pops up on the screen.
Can’t stand people that just stand there and say right when they are asking questions. Like you know… then why you asking